From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Dec 1 00:11:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09348 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 00:11:57 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id AAA24512 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 00:12:50 -0600 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 00:12:50 -0600 Message-Id: <200012010612.AAA24512@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1952 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, December 1 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1952 In this digest: Re: IN> Hurray for Humans, Part 1 Re: IN> Need more Tethers and advice (was Need a Kronos Tether) Re: IN> Hurray for Humans, Part 1 Re: IN> Asmodeus discovers a greater Game Re: IN> IN: Wizardry Re: IN> Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift Re: IN>Pagan Mummies Re: IN> Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift Re: IN>Pagan Mummies Re: IN> Hurray for Humans, Part 1 Re: IN>Pagan Mummies Re: IN> Asmodeus discovers a greater Game Re: IN> The Demon of John Cleese Re: IN> Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift Re: IN> Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift Re: IN> The Demon of John Cleese Re: IN> The Demon of John Cleese Re: IN> God's Word-bound (Re: Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift) Re: IN> The Demon of John Cleese IN> Re: Yves' pad Re: IN> God's Word-bound (Re: Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift) Re: IN> The Demon of John Cleese IN>The Defense of the Library-Part Three Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1950 Re: IN> Asmodeus discovers a greater Game Re: IN> Supoeriors on the Couch - Myers-Briggs In-Nominated IN> Demon of Gallagher Re: IN> Good Omens In IN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:39:31 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Hurray for Humans, Part 1 At 3:55 PM -0700 11/30/00, Tim Groth wrote: >Choir/Band attunements cost 5 character points. Starting celestials >get em for free, a total of 41 character points. Ba-HA! Clever. O:> - --Beth, emccoy@nh.ultranet.com, arcangel@io.com 1 MMorganLP. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:07:42 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Need more Tethers and advice (was Need a Kronos Tether) - --- Laurent wrote: > Oh, by the way, I'd also need a Tether for Greed. A pretty big > corporative > building. High security would be a plus. Any ideas? Fort Knox comes immediately to mind. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:15:15 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Hurray for Humans, Part 1 - --- Tim Groth wrote: > I've noticed that not many mortals are written up for the list. Too true. I liked this post for that reason alone. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:19:34 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Asmodeus discovers a greater Game - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > >As soon as he found a way to affect the minds of the > >people writing In Nomine books, he would begin a slow > >spiral toward total power. ;;;) > > That's a knife that can cut both ways... especially if > he tries messing with us amateur writers of Heretical > Superiors. Right-o. Besides, there are more of us than there are of him. Even with demons to help and the ability of Superiors to multitask, Azzie's resources would be strained just keeping up with Moe's various personalities. O;> When you add the fact that most -- if not all -- of us are conversant with multiple game systems, messing with us is something that Asmodeus would probably decide was a Very Bad Idea. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:23:27 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> IN: Wizardry - --- Eric Hallstrom wrote: > Disclaimer: No canon here. Based on the works of Diane Duane. > > Datclaimer: Don't kill me. The pun alone is enough for me to spare your life. };> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:31:34 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift - --- Eric Hallstrom wrote: > And it is said that Dominic looked at all these things and Saw that he was Truly screwed. RIBLMHO! };> I actually liked the vignette better than the write-up. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:38:18 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Gant Subject: Re: IN>Pagan Mummies On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > (Oh, in the realm of souls and non-canon... What if souls _remember_ all > their previous lives once they attain an afterlife? There, think about > the implications of _that_ one...) I assume that happens anyway. Except for allowing a Saint to justify almost any esoteric skill he wanted, I don't really see what the implications are. Richard Gant - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Gant's Gaming Ghetto: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dunes/4656/ The Returners Final Fantasy Role-Playing Game Site: http://returners.simplenet.com/ The Turning Point: http://home.dencity.com/RichardGant/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:38:16 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift - --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Netanya brings up an interesting point. The GM's Guide makes > it clear that, once in a while, God grants Words without > notifying the Seraphim Council. Are such Word-bound automatically > folded into the Archangelic hierarchy, whether they want to or > not? Such angels remain under their current Superiors. Remember, angels are created specifically for the service of particular Archangels or Redeemed by same. Mavericks who won't fit into the established authority structure don't remain angels very long. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:45:30 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN>Pagan Mummies - --- daiv@cruzio.com wrote: > what > if the original Mummies were a Lot more powerful then the knock offs > he produces now? That's likely, but not because Saminga fudged on the rituals. What with the decline in power that the Heliopolitans suffered as the indigenous religion of Kemet was subsumed by that of Greece (that's where the word "Egypt" comes from, by the way; it's Greek, not African) and the further abuse they suffered during Uriel's Crusade, Saminga may actually be able to do the ritual _better_ than its originators. Egypt's Mummies were probably more powerful (on average) than the current crop simply because they were more likely to be Sorcerers. Then, too, the Heliopolitans were probably more generous with Rites and Attunements than Saminga is. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 16:48:52 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Hurray for Humans, Part 1 - --- "Erich S. Arendall" wrote: > > pp. 35-36, character points equal 4 times Forces. Celestials start > > at 9 Forces, so they get 36 points... Where's the 41 coming from? > > Umm... The Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything... minus 1? Actually, that answer was 42. But Celestials do get 41 CP starting out if you count the value of their Choir/Band Attunements. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:56:03 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN>Pagan Mummies >Saminga would take it badly, I suspect, if he found out. Others, like >Laurence, Khalid, and Yves, would probably also be peeved, since the >undead have their souls bound to their bodies, and should those bodies >be killed, the soul is extinguished, with no chance to find destiny and >so join Heaven. O_o Um. Okay. An Undead has no chance of getting to Heaven. That's the whole point. But... they have no Destiny, either? Or, at the least, it's absolutely impossible to achieve their Destiny, which might as well be saying the same thing? Looking for canon answer here. (Destiny & -Fate => Heaven, therefore -Heaven => -(Destiny & -Fate) == -Destiny OR Fate inclusive. Unless Undead break that rule too.) Just to push the bounds of logic, I don't see a fundamental contradiction in the following situation: Someone born into terrible poverty, strife, bad circumstances, etc. Fetal alcohol poisoning is just the first taste of the stuff that lies in store for this guy. The best Destiny he can hope for, without celestial intervention, is to get killed in a pointless war zone, defending an innocent life, rather than grow up to be a psychopathic rapist/torturer. Instead, *with* celestial intervention, he chooses to become an Undead -- he's atheist anyway, not having any reason to believe in God from his childhood, and he accepts what he considers to be a longer lifetime. (Admittedly, I might be able to see the ritual working only if you believe in an afterlife *and* reject it...) It works properly, he becomes a mummy, and he immediately sets about escaping from Saminga's control. He does so, and becomes a Dark Knight-Errant, haunting the underworld, smiting criminals and rescuing the weak. Contrived? Sure. Unlikely? Of course. The only afterlife an undead can hope for is dissolution. But the fact remains -- do undead have a Destiny, or have they already embraced their Fate regardless? Just to let the cat out of the bag a little, the Superior I'm writing up that I keep vaporwaring on the list has a certain Dissonance condition, and if the undead don't have Destinies then the condition wouldn't apply in their case, which would sure give those angels more options. (And as long as we're at it, the same considerations would probably apply to Remnants, too. If Remnants and Undead don't have enough of a Destiny to register, say, to Divine Destiny, or their best Destiny is dissolution without further ado, the strictness of the Dissonance condition changes.) >--emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor >RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:18:11 -0600 From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Re: IN> Asmodeus discovers a greater Game At 04:19 PM 11/30/00 -0800, you wrote: >--- Maurice Lane wrote: > > >As soon as he found a way to affect the minds of the > > >people writing In Nomine books, he would begin a slow > > >spiral toward total power. ;;;) > > > > That's a knife that can cut both ways... especially if > > he tries messing with us amateur writers of Heretical > > Superiors. > > Right-o. Besides, there are more of us than there are of him. Even >with demons to help and the ability of Superiors to multitask, Azzie's >resources would be strained just keeping up with Moe's various >personalities. O;> When you add the fact that most -- if not all -- of >us are conversant with multiple game systems, messing with us is >something that Asmodeus would probably decide was a Very Bad Idea. Ah, but you forget...I'm the writer of this, not you guys. Still, you guys have given me great ideas, and who knows? Maybe some of you peeps can make guest appearances as various celestials. Who'd love to see the Angel of Archives? ;-) Graveyard Greg Writer of Gaming Guardians--the comic! http://gamingguardians.keenspace.com _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:22:01 -0500 From: "A.Hamilton" Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of John Cleese > *Please* tell me one of the rites is a Silly Walk. > > Marc. Just Marc. > Elohite Angel of Salvation > ("I didn't expect this.") Nobody expects the Spanish Inquistion!* A.Hamilton. *Like I was gonna pass this up? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:06:05 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 05:00:39 +0000 From: Eric Hallstrom Subject: IN> Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift >Disclaimer: No canon here. No munchkinism either. >Really. Would I lie to you? > > And it is said that Dominic Saw that the Punishment would be Unjust, > for the kitten was only a kitten, and had done no Harm. And for > Dominic to punish anyone Unjustly, even so small a one as a kitten, > is _most strictly_ forbidden. > And it is said that Dominic looked about him, but that he Saw that > Netanya, the Bright Lilim with the Black wings, was nowhere to be found. > And it is said that Dominic looked at all these things and Saw that > was Truly screwed. I think you'll do nicely here.* Moe *Really, I don't recognize the name at all. Of course, I've been around for a year, so he may be a Old One or something, but I would _think_ that I'd at least recognize the name from the INC or something. :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:10:27 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:22:35 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift At 5:00 AM +0000 11/30/00, Eric Hallstrom wrote: >> And it is said that Dominic looked down at the packeage, and that >> opened, revealing a tiny kitten. And the kitten spoke, saying: "Mwr." >This was fall down, flat out hysterical. This one >line just broke me. >Good Angel. Nice writeup. And henceforth, when not in >full Judgement mode, my Dominic will have a small >kitten with him. (level 3 NON-CANON alert!) He'd better. Bronwen's allergic. (/level 3 NON-CANON alert!) :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:15:11 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of John Cleese Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:56:26 -0500From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of John Cleese > *Please* tell me one of the rites is a Silly Walk. >Marc. Just Marc. >Elohite Angel of Salvation("I didn't expect this.") Heh. I'm still recovering from the image of Laurence, in full armor, walking up to a demon and hitting him or her with a rubber chicken.* Moe *Of course, once it's been held by Laurence it's a rubber chicken that never rusts, bursts into flames and can cut through titanium, but it's the _principle_ of the thing. ;) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:17:54 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of John Cleese Date: 30 Nov 2000 11:25:26 -0800 From: Eric Bertish Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of John Cleese On Thu, 30 November 2000, "Erich S. Arendall" wrote: >>Although if someone ever comes out with the >>Angel/Demon of Gallagher, I'm putting down In Nomine >and walking far away. >Moe? I believe that's your cue. ;) Gallagher does not amuse me sufficiently. The Angel of Hunter S. Thompson, on the other hand...* ;) Moe *(NO! BAD MOE! NO BISCUIT!) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 03:09 +0000 From: Kay Dekker Subject: Re: IN> God's Word-bound (Re: Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift) Beth wrote: > Only if God also makes that angel an Archangel, I'd think. Oh! that's interesting... I'd got the impression that God was now unavailable (FSVO "unavailable"), so - pardon me if I'm making an egregious error - if a new Archangel got "made", wouldn't that be evidence that S/He was still around and interested? So when _was_ the last time that God showed that S/He was still around? I have at best a weak grasp of the chronology (and trying to find something like that is a needle-in-haystack job - I'd love a _comprehensive_ index to the published material), so I'm not sure whether it was Uriel getting summoned, Michael getting pardoned, or Christopher (he _is_ the newest AA, isn't he?) getting Archangelificated. I'm not counting Hand of God Interventions here. Kay - -- "Caesar, the Zeta Reticulans having been repelled, fortified the spaceport with walls and ditches." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:37:40 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of John Cleese At 7:17 PM -0800 11/30/00, Maurice Lane wrote: > >>Moe? I believe that's your cue. ;) > >Gallagher does not amuse me sufficiently. > >The Angel of Hunter S. Thompson, on the other hand...* Windie. *Such* a Windie. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:46:03 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Re: Yves' pad Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:11:45 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1950 >From: Maurice Lane >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com>Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1950 >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:42:20 -0800 (PST)> >Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 16:01:24 +0800 >From: Manny Nepomuceno >Subject: Re: IN> Yves' Pad >>*slight cough* >>>Strangely enough, I always got the impression that >>>Yves and Raphael were lovers for a while or >>>something like that...which might have led to their >>>sharing a Cathedral, in much the same way as >>>Blandine and Beleth. >>Only in a Dark Campaign. A very, very, very Dark >>campaign. >It's strongly implied in S3 that they were. >jo I'll take your word for it, Jo, but I don't think that I'd ever explore that possibility in anything I do. It's... well, disquieting. Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 11:44:45 +0800 From: Manny Nepomuceno Subject: Re: IN> God's Word-bound (Re: Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift) on 12/1/00 11:00 AM, Kay Dekker at kay@quickhacks.co.uk wrote: > Beth wrote: >> Only if God also makes that angel an Archangel, I'd think. > > Oh! that's interesting... I'd got the impression that > God was now unavailable (FSVO "unavailable"), so - pardon > me if I'm making an egregious error - if a new Archangel > got "made", wouldn't that be evidence that S/He was still > around and interested? > > So when _was_ the last time that God showed that S/He > was still around? I have at best a weak grasp of the > chronology (and trying to find something like that is > a needle-in-haystack job - I'd love a _comprehensive_ > index to the published material), so I'm not sure > whether it was Uriel getting summoned, Michael getting > pardoned, or Christopher (he _is_ the newest AA, isn't > he?) getting Archangelificated. I'm not counting > Hand of God Interventions here. > > Kay As I understand it, God speaks through Yves and (occasionally) Gabriel. I know the canon answer is in the GMG, but I lent my copy out...I'm sure someone on this list will provide it later on. IIRC it's either Uriel's recall to the higher heavens (and Laurence's subsequent promotion) or Gabriel's dictation of the Quran, (I don't remember which came later). And IIRC the newest AA is Zadkiel. Christopher became an Archangel after the Children's Crusade (I assume it was as a response to that particular Crusade). Let me just say that I really, really appreciate the timeline published in the GMG. It helps put all the source material into perspective. Hope this helps, Manny Neps ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 23:08:43 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of John Cleese - --On Thursday, November 30, 2000 19:15 -0800 Maurice Lane wrote: > *Of course, once it's been held by Laurence it's a > rubber chicken that never rusts, bursts into flames > and can cut through titanium, but it's the _principle_ > of the thing. Moe, Thank you for jamming the image of Laurence and his vorpal rubber chicken painfully into my brain. =P Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Rite: Not being seen.") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:16:23 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: IN>The Defense of the Library-Part Three Thanks to the real Beth for the inspiration. :) - ----------------------------------------------------------- {{The Archives}} Serena watched with dismay as she saw the proudly strutting Zakandra, Balseraph Baron of Technology, lead a contingent of Impudites and Djinn of Technology to the dark fields from which the odd place called the Archives rose. The testing of his discovery was obviously filling the Liar with even more pomposity than what was usual in his breed, and he was surveying the assembled demons of Fire, The War, The Game, Fate, The Media, Nightmares, and even Theft and Greed. Despite the presences of Prince Asmodeus, Prince Nybbas, Princess Beleth, Prince Mammon, Prince Baal, Prince Kronos, Prince Valefor, Prince Vapula, and Prince Belial, Zakandra still flew over the assembled gathering of demons, his black-scaled chest puffed with overweening pride. His six eyes contemplated Hell's skies and a gloating smirk hung over his features. The despairing Lilim watched as Zakandra flew over to where the Princes Vapula and Nybbas were quietly conferring. Without waiting to be granted permission, Zakandra began speaking. "Prince Vapula, I'd like your sponsorship." When the Habbalite and Impudite looked up in irritation, Zakandra went on. "The way I see it, the discovery of this backdoor into Heaven is a discovery that furthers the Word of Technology, and I would like to apply to Lucifer to be granted a Word. Oh, a small Word, certainly. Maybe something like The Path or The Internet. I'd like your sponsorship, sir." Vapula and Nybbas looked at each other for a long moment, then Nybbas grinned. "Hey Vaps, I've got an idea! It'd make great press for the discoverer of this fabulous new advancement in the War to be the first into Yves' Library, ya know, see if it works? All in the name of science and ratings, right?" Vapula's answering grin struck a sliver of ice straight through the Balseraph's growing pride... ((An hour later)) Zakandra stared with trepdiation at the stacks of books in the Archive. Next to him, unnoticed, stood a Lilim in white robes. Zakandra was more concerned with what was *behind* him. He could feel the looming, impatient presence of the Prince of The War like a heat furnace on his scaly back. The swirling curiousity and gloating interest of Vapula's emotions batted around his head like a storm of fireflies, while the grim, cold presence of Kronos swallowed all hope just to Zakandra's left. The Balseraph looked behind him with a smile as false as any of Nybbas' s and then said "And now, let the downfall of Heaven begin!" Baal's voice was an irritated growl. "Just get on with it." Zakandra gulped and nodded, shoving down his anger. ~Who does he think he is? I serve Technology, not the War! When I'm commended for my ingenuity with a Princedom, I'll remember his tone with me today.~ With that, Zakandra reached into a large duffel bag hanging his wing muscles and pulled forth the small device he had crafted. To Serena it resembled nothing more than a black ball with glowing blue buttons. The Balseraph typed in a coded sequence with the tip of his tail and squeezed all but two of his eyes shut. All around the assemblage, the Archives rippled and swirled, shimmering with pearlescent light. The air of the Archives seemed to swirl for a long moment, then a shimmering rainbow light covered the demons, accompanied by a sense of upward momentum that resembled being fired from a cannon. When the light cleared, Zakandra stood unscathed from the passage. Baal, Vapula, Kronos, Nybbas, Serena, and a small contingent of the Servitors of The War, Fate, and The Media stood in an entirely different stack of books a few yards away. These books were neatly filed in a room that smelled of pine and was lit by orbs that radiated a soft white light. The smell of dry, musty books was the same however. Vapula turned to Zakandra. "Well done Baron. I may just sponsor you for that Word after all." Zakandra's fluid bow hid his large grin. Baal's smile was possessed of the elegance and generous grace of a noble tossing candy to a child as he said "You have provided a new strategem in the War and exposed a weakness of the Enemy's. I too will sponsor you." Nybbas's camera was rolling even as they spoke, held by an Impudite of the Media. Baal waved a wing and they set out. No one noticed Serena slipping away as they marched off into the Great Library. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------- Beth was speaking to the assembled angels of Stone, Faith, Archives, Destiny, War, and The Sword. The Archangel of Archives had a lilting Irish brogue to her voice as she said "And remember, keep collateral damage to a minimum. No Songs of Fire or Entropy are to be used, to avoid damage to the books. Try to avoid soul-killing if possible, but if you see any demons defacing the books, do what you must." She noted the grim smiles of the Malakim of Archives. They were going to so *enjoy* doing what they must. It was on this note that Serena entered and knelt. Beth just looked at her. "If you're here, then I guess they're here?" At Serena's nod, Beth sighed. A yellow-scaled Seraph of The Sword stepped forward. "Shall we go and commence battle, Archangel?" Beth sighed and nodded, watching the hunting parties split up to go find the demons. She was surprised, however, when Serena got up to go with them. "Where are you going Serena?" Serena grinned. "I have an idea, Lady Beth." Beth raised an eyebrow and beckoned Serena closer. The Lilim began to whisper in her Superior's ear. As she did, the grin grew wider and wider... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- Zakandra was already feeling the burning in his body from the rarefied atmosphere of Heaven. He was starting to think this might not have been one of his brighter ideas. But still, if it could be pulled off, this might be his ticket to the upper echelons. Ignoring the War and Media demons before him, the Balseraph felt his resonance starting to flow around him: a distorted fracturing, like a black wave reaching from him and around him. ~Yes, let's see....Zakandra, Prince of Mysteries, Lord of the Paths between the Planes. I could see myself working with Alaemon, perhaps Beleth and maybe Kobal. The Comedians are a funny lot. Andrealphus could be useful. I like what I see when I go to his section of Shal-Mari. Furfur, Belial, and Saminga are useless idiots. Mammon is a tired old fossil and Lilith's only a human. Hmmmm....Kronos is pretty ancient too, and Magog? Who remembers him? Maybe I could work with Fleurity and Nybbas, but Vapula's got to go. I could see myself as Hell's new inventor. What does Vapula do anyways but fight Jean. Its' the moronic versus the mad, and I don't know which is which...~ So wrapped up in his own thoughts was the Vapulite Baron that he did not see the glittering eyes staring at him from between two stacks of philosophy texts. Then the stacks flew apart as a Malakite, flaming sword aloft, leaped into the aisle in front of Zakandra. The startled Balseraph yelped. Behind him, he could see the small knot of War-Servitors raise their guns and swords in a smooth motion, testament of the harsh training of Gehenna. The Media Servitors were scattering in all directions....until the screams started. Smashed cameras and microphones came back, tossed over the bookshelves or skidding along the floor. Zakandra was staring into the eyes of a Malakite clad in red-gold robes, and he didn't need to be a Lilim to see his death in the Malakite's eyes. Zakandra smiled weakly. "Ummm...hi. I'm not with Fate or anything. I'm from Technology and I'm sure that we can cut a deal. How'd you some new books for the Library, huh?" Zakandra quickly rummaged through his duffel bag and tossed out several books. One read "The Kobalite's Guide to dealing with Princes." A subtitle beneath that read "Guaranteed to work 100% of the time, or your Essence back." Another read "Angels for Dummies--as narrated by Annith, Lilim of Cruelty." A third read "Becoming a Demon Prince in 666 E-Z Steps." The fourth one had an image of Novalis in chains before a smirking Andrealphus in leather gear and holding a whip. The title read "Flowers and Desire--the latest epic from Shal-Mari Press." The fifth book's title read "The Idiot's Guide to Terrorizing Underlings--as narrated by Annith, Lilim of Cruelty and narrated by Fere, Impudite of the Media." The last one read "The 12-step Guide to Selfishness." Zakandra smiled. "Take them, they're yours...." With that, the Balseraph swung the bag in the Malakite's startled face, grabbing the spherical device that slipped out and slithering between the Malakite's legs while he was distracted. To the disgusted cries of the War-Servitors, Zakandra took flight away from the scene. Just as they moving in on the lone Malakite, the Library saw fit to drop off twenty Malakim of Stone, Archives, The Sword, and War. The Baalites tightened their hands on their weapons and just stared grimly at each other.... In the meantime, Serena had approached the small cleared space where Baal, Vapula, Nybbas, and Kronos were conversing, a small contigent of War-Servitors patrolling the area. The Servitors of Fate and the Media stood in a tight cluster nearby. Serena took a deep breath to calm herself, preparing to enter the emotional field of Vapula, then she marched right over and knelt before Kronos. "Dread Prince Kronos, I bear you good news!" When the Prince of Fate looked at her and raised a hand for her to continue, the Lilim swallowed and said "Sir, we have flushed out Yves! Even now, our forces hold him trapped and at bay for you!" Kronos's face remained frozen for a moment, then, slowly, began to split into a grin as dark as the Pit. "Well done, Temptress. You will be rewarded. Lead me to him." He stood and followed the Lilim as she was carried off by the Library. The stacks of books shifted and flowed about the pair...then suddenly stopped. There were bookshelves on all sides of them...but no Yves. Kronos looked down at Serena. "What is this?!" A cold voice, like a rumbling avalanche, answered. "This is a trap." When Kronos looked up, he saw David standing atop one of the bookshelves. On another shelf stood Yves, and on the shelf opposite him stood Beth. The Archangels of Stone, Destiny, and Archives all had grim smiles on their faces as Serena was carried out of the trap by the Library, which shut tightly about the Prince of Fate again. David just laughed. "This is going to be fun..." OOC: And so part 3 concludes. More to come in part 4! :) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:11:43 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1950 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 3:42 PM Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1950 > *"No, Michael. Put the axe down." > > "You can't stop me, Novalis. He let her die." > > "STOP you? I just want you to use your fists. It'll > leave something for me."** > > > **If Novalis would ever go ahead and just eat the > dissonance, it'd be for this. Classic. Absolutely classic. Bravo! - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 00:36:34 -0400 From: pbarkow@is2.dal.ca Subject: Re: IN> Asmodeus discovers a greater Game On 30 Nov 00, at 20:18, Graveyard Greg wrote: > At 04:19 PM 11/30/00 -0800, you wrote: > > >--- Maurice Lane wrote: > Still, you guys have given me great ideas, and who knows? Maybe some of you > peeps can make guest appearances as various celestials. Who'd love to see > the Angel of Archives? ;-) That would have amusement value for me, yes. > > Graveyard Greg > Writer of Gaming Guardians--the comic! > http://gamingguardians.keenspace.com "30) Love is when you stare at each other from across the dinner table and make suggestive Pikachu noises at each other... While guests are present." -Mini Philip Barkow pbarkow@is2.dal.ca http://is2.dal.ca/~pbarkow/ Harbinger of Keener-sama Vice President DPG Official Fashion Consultant and Hentai of the DGML Shameless Faith/Buffy shipper. Lapsed Discordian Head of the Keiko-chanian faction ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:22:57 -0800 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> Supoeriors on the Couch - Myers-Briggs In-Nominated Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Now for the actual In Nomine content. Here are my impressions of the > characters of the Superiors, for folks to wrangle over and dispute: Alright. First, the unavoidable personal results and mutterings. I can't say I'm displeased with the results I'm turning up for myself: > Novalis: ENFP - extroverted, restless, centered on feeling (choleric) > > Andrealphus: ENFP - extroverted, restless, centered on feeling > (choleric) > Kobal: ENFP - extroverted, restless, centered on feeling (choleric) Of course, I'm a borderline E (+3 or so) and right on the bar for F/T (my scores on various tests, over the past few years have ranged from f+10 to t+9. But the only real, non-internet, test I had done puts me at f+0, so there you go), so I could also have Jordic or Vapulan tendencies. Which ain't too bad. I think Yves should have a personality type meself, though. I mean, he has and apparent personality, motivations and all that. We don't know much in the way of true motives etc, but that doesn't mean we can't assign him and arbitrary a personality type, I wouldn't think. ISTP/ISTJ would be my guesses. Other minor quibbles: Eli should be a feeler, Malphas should be extroverted. Otherwise more or less agreed. So, all-in-all this gets a Very Nice, from me. And I would be very interested if it were expanded this to include choirs, various characters or what have you. Cheers, Ryan, who finds the whole psychology shebang both interesting and completely incomprehensible. "'We always collect our debts.' 'In full.' 'With interest.' 'And meathooks.'" -Croup and Vandermar, Neverwhere ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 00:54:42 -0500 From: "Michael" Subject: IN> Demon of Gallagher On Thu, 30 November 2000, "Erich S. Arendall" wrote: > Although if someone ever comes out with the Angel/Demon of Gallagher, I'm > putting down In Nomine and walking far away. OK, let's think about this a little... (Medium shot of demon on stage, walking around in primo Shatneresque infomercial style. The demon could be the poster-demon for male pattern baldness, and he's wearing a red striped shirt, black pants and suspenders, and a black bowler. He begins his spiel like a carny barker on crystal meth...) "Ladies and gentlemen, I didn't come here tonight to make you laugh, I came here to sell you something. Fly-By-Night Enterprises, a subsidiary of Vaputech Incorporated, has come out with an *amazing* new gadget, yours for a price so small I'm embarrassed to mention it here on NybbasTV." "It's not a slicer. It's not a dicer. It *will* do julienne fries... but you gotta hit that potato *juuuuust* right. It's not a chopper, not a hopper, or even a red-tailed flopper! Now, DON'T YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT IN THE HELL IT IS???" (Cut away to show screaming audience applauding wildly. Resume original shot, showing newly lit-up table with trussed-up demonling, and the big demon holding a gigantic sledgehammer over his head.) "SLEDGE - O - MATIC!!!!" While arguments could be made for him being a servitor of Media or of Technology, I vote for the more obvious choice -- Kobal. His band would be more difficult, but I'd vote for Impudite; he's got an insight into the everyday life of people that other demons don't always have. It doesn't always work; sometimes his routines totally bomb. But when he's on top of his act... somebody's going to get smashed. (Which could be an argument for making him a Calabite, actually.) There. Ready to flee in terror yet? Moe, the rest is up to you... - -- Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:09:49 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Good Omens In IN > > >Aziriphale sounds like a Mercurian, maybe, mostly > > due > > >to his sympathy with humanity. According to the > > book, > > >he's technically a Principality, but none of the IN > > >Choirs have that term attached. > > Yes, actually, the Principalities would be the > > Mercurians, so far as I can > > tell. > >Ah, I see. Thanks. Well. It's not official so far as I know. >[snip] > > > >Crowley's Band is very hard to pin down. I can > > think > > >of two that really fit: Lilim, Cabalite, and > > Shedite. > > >I could see Lilim, cause Crowley seems to be > > primarily > > >engaged in temptation, convincing humans to Do Bad > > >Stuff. OTOH, nothing he does could translate to > > laying > > >a Geas on anyone. Cabalite I can see cause of the > > way > > >he seems to enjoy spreading chaos and confusion. > > >"Tying up every cellular phone in Central London" > > >seems a very good example of making things break > > down. > > >But, he's really very neat and tidy personally. > > >Doesn't like broken things. Look at how he treats > > his > > >Bently. Finally, I can see Shedite, again cause he > > >corrupts people. But, he doesn't do the possession > > >thing. > > > > Then clearly not a Shedite. Impudite perhaps? Does > > he ever kill a human? > >Actually, no. In fact, he goes out of his way _not_ >to, at one point. Well, then. > > He clearly has a Vessle, one he sticks to, and > > >isn't just possessing a random human. So, Crowley > > >doesn't really fit into any Band really well. In > > any > > >case, I'd say he's right on the border of > > Redeeming, > > >as he seems pretty darn pleasant. > > > > Impudites are pretty darn pleasant . . . charming, > > in fact. > >I dunno... I don't think Crowley was actually >_charming_. He was more pleasant as in "Doesn't like >doing really bad stuff to people." Hrmmmmm > > And he's definitely > > >a Renegade during the time leading up to > > Armageddon. > > >Although he seems to have been taken back into the > > >fold afterwards. > > >Crowley's Superior is also tricky. I'd say Kobal, > > just > > >cause Crowley's sense of humor seems to mimic > > Kobal's. > > >Except for the willingness to cause bodily harm, of > > >course... > > > > But the willingness to do bodily harm might be > > explained by his Impudite > > nature . . . > >Oops... Meant that _Kobal_ was willing to do bodily >harm, _Crowley_ wasn't. Yes, quite true. In fact, iirc Kobal's Impudites will not be smacked with Dissonce from their Band nature if they kill someone with a prank. Or something like that, it's their Band Attunement, I believe. > > >As to other characters: Adam seems like he could be > > a > > >Superior on his own. But he doesn't seem to be > > either > > >an Archangle or a Demon Prince, given that he > > refused > > >both Heaven and Hell. A Lord of The Earth, perhaps? > > >Heck, he might even be a being on the same level as > > >Lucifer, since he certainly seemed able to defeat > > Lucy > > >when he was showing up. As to what his Word would > > be: > > >probably Humanity. As Crowley said "a Human > > >incarnate." > > > > Perhaps an incarnation of God, just as Christ was > > (noncanon). > >Eh. I don't think so. Adam was portrayed as an >independent being, with his own powers. Course, he >might have been God, and just not known it. Well, Christ was protrayed as an independent being. So far as I could tell, even to the point of asking God (and therefore Himself so say the Christians) why He had forsaken him. Thus, implying not only a distinction between the two (Father and Son) but also that one had felt distant and removed from the other. So, yeah. - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1952 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.