From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Dec 4 19:56:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26679 for ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:56:12 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id TAA20244 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:57:39 -0600 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:57:39 -0600 Message-Id: <200012050157.TAA20244@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1957 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, December 4 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1957 In this digest: IN> Magog and Khalid Re: IN> Wahnp Wahnp, Wahnp Wahnp, Wahnp Wahnp... Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Re: IN> Magog and Khalid Re: IN> One of the most powerful Ethereals... Re: IN> One of the most powerful Ethereals... Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Re: IN> One of the most powerful Ethereals... Re: IN> Magog and Khalid Re: IN> One of the most powerful Ethereals... IN> In Nomine game online Re: IN> Quick question Re: IN> One of the most powerful Ethereals... Re: IN> Wahnp Wahnp, Wahnp Wahnp, Wahnp Wahnp... Re: IN> Re: Yves' pad Re: IN> One of the most powerful Ethereals... Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... Re: IN> One of the most powerful Ethereals... Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... Re: IN> One of the most powerful Ethereals... Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 03:53:27 -0600 From: "Sean Gallagher" Subject: IN> Magog and Khalid This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C05DA5.C1FDDA00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable First, does anybody know if in canon...Magog survived Gabriel's = assault...and second, Khalid seems to be a major archangel now...is that = the case? P.S. Oh, and on behalf of Gallagher's everywhere, I would like to = protest the defamation of the Gallagher name...ie. the thread of The = Demon of Gallagher and such... :p Sean Gallagher yves_1@hotmail.com - ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C05DA5.C1FDDA00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

First, does anybody know if in = canon...Magog=20 survived Gabriel's assault...and second, Khalid seems to be a major = archangel=20 now...is that the case?

P.S. Oh, and on behalf of Gallagher's = everywhere, I=20 would like to protest the defamation of the Gallagher name...ie. the = thread of=20 The Demon of Gallagher and such... :p

Sean Gallagher

yves_1@hotmail.com

- ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C05DA5.C1FDDA00-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 08:18:11 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Wahnp Wahnp, Wahnp Wahnp, Wahnp Wahnp... - --On Monday, December 4, 2000 12:13 AM -0600 "Tafka J." wrote: > At 7:34 PM -0800 11/24/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >> whether omnidirectional message transmittal balances out the >> security issue is a [judgment] call. :) > > Speaking of our favorate Poker-Spines: Per S1, the triads use a > language of gestures to communicate with one another. Though not > quite as on par with the secret language of Windies, it has proven > effective. The most common sign used is 'Softly Most Highly', from > the Elohite to the Seraph of the triad. > I don't believe that's the most common hand sign *I've* seen used on a Triad. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("And for my next impression, Jesse Owens!") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 08:36:57 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim - --On Sunday, December 3, 2000 11:58 PM -0800 Charles E Smith wrote: > I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I just wondered if anyone else > noticed these little quirks in the Malakite Archangels. :) My observations of the Choir. We've all met humans focused on something to the point of irritation - usually ours. Humans, though, have the ability to put down what they're doing and *relax*. Malakim... Don't. Not as a general rule. And it makes sense, from a certain point of view. Malakim are focused like a laser beam, like no other Choir, on their purpose and their goals and their honor. They don't sleep. They don't rest. They don't waver. They're on edge for *millenia*, on that ONE thing, and they DO NOT STOP, EVER. I can imagine that after a few eons of that, you might develop a sort of tunnel vision. Try and imagine what that would be like. Hurts, dunnit? Two ways it can go, to my thinking. Either the Malakim develops some sort of release valve* and becomes interesting, or they don't and they become...quirky. This would depend on the pressure on them. And as for David, I *like* David. While I will of course take any logical winning tactic in combat, I can appreciate his disdain of guns in general. Guns let fools think they can fight. This seems to get a lot of that sort killed. Fencing, now, is *artistry*. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("'course, it's whatever works in the given situation.") *This goes for some combat-oriented Soldiers, too. I know one - a giant of a man, too - who just loves telling people he's a florist. "You know, flowers and s***." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 07:52:55 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Magog and Khalid > Sean Gallagher wrote: > > First, does anybody know if in canon...Magog survived Gabriel's > assault... It's implied he did not, but it's left uncertain for those GMs who still want to use him. > and second, Khalid seems to be a major archangel now...is > that the case? Depends what you mean by "major." He was always major in terms of power, but his influence was limited mostly to the Middle East. Now he's starting to expand somewhat. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 10:42:18 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> One of the most powerful Ethereals... - -----Original Message----- From: "Bevan Thomas" morgan_thomas@telus.net To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 15:32:21 -0800 Subject: Re: IN> One of the most powerful Ethereals... > Also, I do not think that an Ethereal Santa Claus would exist. After all, > Santa is derived from Christianity (sort of), and things derived from a > "divine faith" (Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, etc...) do not create > Ethereals. (see Game Master's Guide) Actually, if you want to get technical, Santa Claus is a representation of the Hunter God of ancient pagan beliefs, once celebrated in the Saturnalia festival of the Winter Solstice, it's image now seen through a more "Christian Friendly" lens. I could definetly see such a thing as an Etherial Santa Claus, as a primordial Etherial Spirit who escaped the Purity Crusade by hiding and licking it's wounds, before taking on an image that the Angels wouldn't suspect in the form of kid-friendly Kris Kringle. Of course, over the centuries, Santa would've absorbed all other aspects of Santa Claus myths, including the very devout christian Saint Nicholas. That would be when he decided to go to Blandine and ask to join the war against Hell by helping to promote Dreams and Children. After that, Blandine and Christopher would've protected him from further harm from Heaven's side, and he would've kept working year after year, promoting the Spirit of Christmas all around the world. Now, if someone could please handle those Princes of Greed and Media so this friendly Loa could continue his rounds without fear of his image getting corrupted further, things would work a lot better... - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:00:51 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> One of the most powerful Ethereals... At 10:42 AM -0500 12/4/00, Rolland Therrien wrote: >Now, if someone could please handle those Princes of Greed and Media so this >friendly Loa could continue his rounds without fear of his image getting >corrupted further, things would work a lot better... Assuming, of course, that said Ethereal isn't using a popular image and very clear Essence Worship rites (cookies and milk, writing wish lists, hanging stockings by the chimney with care, reading the poetry, singing the Santa Claus Christmas Songs, and so on and so forth) to drain the precious precious essence from children and loving parents worldwide.... (Hey, Moe's the nice one. I'm dark. Remember?) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:01:18 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Also, by making war more impersonal and distant (especially when guns evolve into missiles and guns on planes), guns make wars seem not as brutal, and so they are last longer. It's interesting that the Japanese invented guns during the middle ages, but they stopped using them because they were dishonorable (which is why they've only used gunpowder for rockets for a large amount of history). If one ignores their shamanistic religion, I think that Laurence and David would like Japanese culture a lot, with the strong concepts of honor and bushido. And Buddhism is a divine religion even if Shinto is not. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Bowden To: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 5:36 AM Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim > > And as for David, I *like* David. While I will of course take any > logical winning tactic in combat, I can appreciate his disdain of > guns in general. Guns let fools think they can fight. This seems to > get a lot of that sort killed. Fencing, now, is *artistry*. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 08:05:59 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> One of the most powerful Ethereals... However, I think that after the St. Nick legend gets dominate, Santa would die out. After all, according to the GMG, Bridgit died after her worshippers stopped worshipping her as the Celtic goddess Bridgit and started worshipping St. Brigite (does this mean that she came back to life after the Voudoun started worshipping Mama Bridgitte?). Santa as a loah? Do you simply mean that he is a spirit or has been absorbed into Bondieu's wild pantheon? Kinda like the Shinto religious absorbing cultural icons like King Kong and Marilyn Munroe in Neil Gaiman's Sandman. That would be weird. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Rolland Therrien To: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 7:42 AM Subject: Re: IN> One of the most powerful Ethereals... > > Actually, if you want to get technical, Santa Claus is a representation of > the Hunter God of ancient pagan beliefs, once celebrated in the Saturnalia > festival of the Winter Solstice, it's image now seen through a more > "Christian Friendly" lens. > > I could definetly see such a thing as an Etherial Santa Claus, as a > primordial Etherial Spirit who escaped the Purity Crusade by hiding and > licking it's wounds, before taking on an image that the Angels wouldn't > suspect in the form of kid-friendly Kris Kringle. Of course, over the > centuries, Santa would've absorbed all other aspects of Santa Claus myths, > including the very devout christian Saint Nicholas. That would be when he > decided to go to Blandine and ask to join the war against Hell by helping to > promote Dreams and Children. After that, Blandine and Christopher would've > protected him from further harm from Heaven's side, and he would've kept > working year after year, promoting the Spirit of Christmas all around the > world. > > Now, if someone could please handle those Princes of Greed and Media so this > friendly Loa could continue his rounds without fear of his image getting > corrupted further, things would work a lot better... > > -Exit the LoneWolf > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:46:39 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Magog and Khalid At 7:52 AM -0600 12/4/00, David Edelstein wrote: > > Sean Gallagher wrote: >> >> First, does anybody know if in canon...Magog survived Gabriel's >> assault... > >It's implied he did not, but it's left uncertain for those GMs who still >want to use him. Which is why I usually include him on my "Relations" and opinions charts in things I type up for general use -- just in case. > > and second, Khalid seems to be a major archangel now...is >> that the case? > >Depends what you mean by "major." He was always major in terms of power, >but his influence was limited mostly to the Middle East. Now he's >starting to expand somewhat. This should likely become a FAQ item, because Khalid was listed as a "minor" Archangel in the Revelations Cycle, and is absent from most Superiors' "Relations" writeups and crossquotes even in the Superiors series. IM(normal)C, I treat all the Minors and Majors the same except for level of political involvement. In Queen of Hell, they're starting off all the same, but pretty soon you'll be able to quickly tell the difference between a Major and Minor Prince. Heaven... well, that would be telling, wouldn't it? - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:10:24 -0500 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: IN> One of the most powerful Ethereals... >Actually, if you want to get technical, Santa Claus is a representation of >the Hunter God of ancient pagan beliefs, once celebrated in the Saturnalia >festival of the Winter Solstice, it's image now seen through a more >"Christian Friendly" lens. For more on this one, read "Santa Steps Out," a recent novel by an author whose name I've forgotten. It's more than a little salacious, but it has a few neat ideas about the issue. * * * * * Jason Schneiderman, Editor, EDITORIAL HUMOR. E-mail: edhumor@tiac.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 13:36:18 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> In Nomine game online Hi all, For those looking to read (and possibly participate in) a PBEM In Nomine game, the Dreamlyrics forum has a message game now running. Dreamlyrics is a for-pay site, but you can lurk for free. http://www.rp-gamers.co.uk/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=WAC:+When+Angels+Cry&number=74 (The GM is a friend of mine, incidentally, and he's using parts of my IN San Francisco setting.) - -David (not affiliated with Dreamlyrics, though I do run a Highlander game there) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:34:02 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Quick question At 7:01 PM -0600 12/1/00, Andrew Hackard wrote: >At 12:33 PM 01/12/00 -0800, Casca wrote: >>Is Pyramid currently accepting writeups of new Superiors? > >I dunno. Ask Steven-don't-call-me-Steve Marsh. (I'm not being flip, >either; that literally is the best answer I can give you. If he's >interested, he'll tell you.) What he said. Steven-don't-forget-that-n Marsh's email is, I believe, pyramid@io.com. There's also a "Writing for Pyramid" page linked to www.sjgames.com/general/guidelines/writers. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:57:11 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> One of the most powerful Ethereals... At 3:32 PM -0800 12/3/00, Bevan Thomas wrote: >I find it kinda funny that Superiors 3 says that Santa Claus was a creation >of Mammon, H&H says Mammon created Santa. Superiors _4_, which trumps H&H, says that Mammon _claims_ he created Santa. Remember that Mammon is a Balseraph. Though the most current manifestation/depiction of Santa can be a bit dubious... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:59:49 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Wahnp Wahnp, Wahnp Wahnp, Wahnp Wahnp... At 12:13 AM -0600 12/4/00, Tafka J. wrote: >At 7:34 PM -0800 11/24/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >> whether omnidirectional message transmittal balances out the security issue >> is a [judgment] call. :) > > Speaking of our favorate Poker-Spines: Per S1, the triads use a >language of gestures to communicate with one another. Though not quite as >on par with the secret language of Windies, it has proven effective. The >most common sign used is 'Softly Most Highly', from the Elohite to the >Seraph of the triad. Despite frequent petitions from a few Creationers to create a sign for "Chill _OUT_, Seraph!", Dominic has not approved that modification. In response, some of the few Servitors of Creation working for Judgment have evolved their own, which consists of placing the palm over the eyes and wincing. It is, however, not an official sign, and its use is frowned upon. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 15:53:25 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: Yves' pad At 12:16 AM -0800 12/3/00, Bevan Thomas wrote: >I know that all the archangels know that homosexuals can reach Heaven, but I >doubt that Laurence and Dominic still totally approve of it. Hear ye, hear ye, this be the standard disclaimer that for all that celestials may identify more with one gender than another, they are, at the root, non- gendered beings. So for all that David and Michael are identified with "maleness" in very fundamental ways, waaaaaaaaay back when they were busy with the formation of the solar system, they were simply Seraph and Cherub. (And their relationship, if any, would be based on that, not on vessels.) Not to mention that the Greatest Love In Heaven was acknowledged to be between two Cherubim who were both female-aspected by default. Besides, Michael's gone to Michelle now and again, even if David's been content to be male-vesseled for such a looooooooong time. If they have a "thang" going, there's no reason it has to be with both of them in male vessels. Even if the Greeks did have a reputation for stuff like that, IIRC. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:06:54 EST From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> One of the most powerful Ethereals... In a message dated 12/4/00 7:44:38 AM, rolland.therrien@videotron.ca writes: >Actually, if you want to get technical, Santa Claus is a representation of >the Hunter God of ancient pagan beliefs, once celebrated in the Saturnalia >festival of the Winter Solstice, it's image now seen through a more >"Christian Friendly" lens. There's a slipped synch here, somewhere. The Saturnalia that was coopted by the Church was *not* related to a Hunter God. It was related to both the Unconquered Sun and the Grandfather of the Gods.... Oh, dear. That triggered an Idea. Consider: If wily old Saturn has managed to slip through the cracks to become Santa, *that* has distinct possibilities. Especially considering his habit of playing both sides against the middle. (Imagine an Ethereal who has both Mammon and Christopher allied to him....) That brings new meanings to this thread subject, doesn't it? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:12:53 -0500 From: hbias@earthlink.net (Harris Bias) Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim >Laurence: His flaw is his excessive honor, also his greatest strength. He >cannot see past his idealism to deal with the War as it is, and thus he >is lured into actions that might be costly for Heaven by his well-meaning >intentions. "I'm not maladjusted, the world and the Horde are. But I-WE're working on that." - -- G. Harris Bias hbias@earthlink.net "He had some measure of the infuriating trait that causes a young man to be a nonconformist for its own sake and found that the surest way to shock people, in those days, was to believe that some kinds of behavior were bad, and others good, and that is was reasonable to live one's life accordingly." -Neal Stephenson, "The Diamond Age" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:24:18 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... So if Santa is one of the most powerful Ethereals -- who're the others? For the moment mostly ignoring the traditional/Mythic/Fae Ethereals. Of the modern Ethereals, who's top Dreamshade? (Though if Nike's managed to start wearing crosstrainers and put swooshes on her armor, I have to think she's among the more successful transitional Ethereals to the modern day.) Here's a partial list of present day Ethereal tough guys IMC.... Sherlock Holmes: To this day, the banking firm at 221 B Baker Street gets thousands of letters a year for the Great Detective, and many many many people believe passionately that if he's not alive now, he once was. Between that and all the Media attention (it turns out he's one of the most adapted figures in cinema and television *ever*) he'd be doing okay for Essence... and Fleurity might be willing to slip him more. OTOH, he might be one of the few Ethereals Dominic actually likes.... The Dark Menace: This has adapted over the years. Go back far enough, and these were Huns or Visigoths or Romans, depending on who you spoke to. In more modern days, these were Nazis or Communists. The faceless horde of shock troops so often evoked during cold and hot wars of any kind. The Elvii: There isn't just one Elvis. Elvis is Everywhere. Elvis is all things to all people. Leather Elvis. Young Elvis. Vegas Thin Elvis. Vegas Fat Elvis. The aged King on his porcelin throne. The Christian Elvis. The Drug Abusing Elvis. The buffoon. The puppet of the Colonel. The guy you saw working behind the counter at the Fast Food place. Space Alien Elvis. And so on. Well, they're all real, in the Ethereal Realms. And for whatever reason, they're *all* real, rather than one Elvis Ethereal running around. The Elvii are not so quietly on the move. Which leads us inevitably to Gracelander: There can be only one... King, Momma. I have others, but I'm close to late. Other folks want to weigh in? - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:02:08 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... From: "Whistling in the Dark" > So if Santa is one of the most powerful Ethereals -- who're the > others? For the moment mostly ignoring the traditional/Mythic/Fae > Ethereals. Of the modern Ethereals, who's top Dreamshade? The One Good Man: Ever since the advent of film noir, especially, The One Good Man has drawn Essence from the dreams of those who believe that someone, somewhere, is willing to take a stand against the darkness and corruption that surrounds him. Whether originally working on the side of good, evil, or refusing to work for either, The One Good Man does what must be done to set things right in the end. From Sam Spade refusing to takethe fall for Brigid O'Shaunessy, to Rick giving up his travel papers to let Victor Lazlo continue the fight against the Reich, to the Shadow carrying out his crusade of double-barreled justice, to Remo Williams protecting the world while avoiding its notice, The One Good Man's image and legend spreads. Nybbas loves him, because his stories put butts in seats, but also keeps a watch on him. The prince of the Media knows that while he has The One Good Man working with him at present for Essence, that annoying streak of conscience is destined to rise to the surface. When that happens, exactly who pays the higher cost in the bloody reckoning to follow remains to be seen. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:03:37 -0500 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:24:18 -0500 Whistling in the Dark writes: > The Elvii: There isn't just one Elvis. Elvis is Everywhere. > Elvis is all things to all people. Leather Elvis. Young Elvis. Vegas > > Thin Elvis. Vegas Fat Elvis. The aged King on his porcelin throne. > The Christian Elvis. The Drug Abusing Elvis. The buffoon. The puppet > of the Colonel. The guy you saw working behind the counter at the > Fast Food place. Space Alien Elvis. And so on. Well, they're all > real, in the Ethereal Realms. And for whatever reason, they're *all* > real, rather than one Elvis Ethereal running around. The Elvii are > not so quietly on the move. Which leads us inevitably to > Gracelander: > There can be only one... King, Momma. > Since I've been reading Unknown Armies, how about a second interpretation of this: an ethereal True King. This fellow draws essence from the various concepts of the Once and Future King from Arthur on down. Rather than taking on one specific look, he appears in different aspects to different people... which is why you have Elvis Sightings. You'd have just as many Arthur, JFK, etc. sightings, except no one knows what Arthur looks like (although he's appeared as Graham Chapman more than once) and given the Kennedy clan's reputation for womanizing... well, LOTS of people look a bit like him. Of course, since the archetype includes the idea that even if the king is killed, he will rise again in a time of need, we have the further supposition that even if Heaven kills the King, he only comes back later, in a new incarnation... - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:08:25 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prodigal" To: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 4:02 PM Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... [snip] > The One Good Man: Ever since the advent of film noir, especially, The One > Good Man has drawn Essence from the dreams of those who believe that > someone, somewhere, is willing to take a stand against the darkness and > corruption that surrounds him. Whether originally working on the side of > good, evil, or refusing to work for either, The One Good Man does what must > be done to set things right in the end. [snip] Michael must absolutely *LOVE* this guy. (Remember the Sup1 writeup about how Michael has sponsored various "classic hero" characters in modern-day popular culture?) No wonder Nybbas is playing it hands-off with this Ethereal for the moment... got to figure out a way around that Big Honkin' Axe. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:57:01 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> One of the most powerful Ethereals... Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 15:23:25 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> One of the most powerful Ethereals... > > Is there, canon or non, a write-up of Santa Claus anywhere? > I posted something a couple of months ago about >Santa being one of the most powerful Ethereals. The >response was that, in canon, Santa Claus is a demon >of Greed. I've yet to see a write-up, though. I worked out something (was it really last year? Time flies. Geez): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/servitors/Nicolas.htm Not _the_ Santa Claus, not an ethereal, but it soothed some dark place in my twisted mind. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:20:38 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... From: "Charles Glasgow" > From: "Prodigal" > > > The One Good Man: Ever since the advent of film noir, especially, The One > > Good Man has drawn Essence from the dreams of those who believe that > > someone, somewhere, is willing to take a stand against the darkness and > > corruption that surrounds him. Whether originally working on the side of > > good, evil, or refusing to work for either, The One Good Man does what > > must be done to set things right in the end. [snip] > > Michael must absolutely *LOVE* this guy. (Remember the Sup1 writeup about > how Michael has sponsored various "classic hero" characters in modern-day > popular culture?) I forgot that, but I think it had to be at least in my subconscious when I was writing that up... I could see Uriel's killing The One Good Man during the Purity Crusade as one of the reasons why Michael would have supported his removal as General of the host, actually. > No wonder Nybbas is playing it hands-off with this Ethereal for the > moment... got to figure out a way around that Big Honkin' Axe. I would envision it as doing his best to make sure that TOGM (much easier to abbrivaite it that way) is fed as much BalProp about Michael as possible, just to make sure that he doesn't go over to Michael's side. Nybbas loves TOGM, but like many a studio boss of old, would rather see his star unable to continue performing rather than release him from his contract. So TOGM may have made contact with Michael, but it would be as surrepititious as possible. After all, if anyone found out that he was working with Michael, both Heaven and Hell would be out for his blood. Not that this stops him from working both sides of the street until he can safely get out from Nybbas' clutches, of course; it just forces him to live life on both the edge and his wits. Which is exactly what The One Good Man does best. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 14:37:23 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> One of the most powerful Ethereals... Whoops. I meant H&H. This is what happens when you are only running on information culled from your friends In Nomine library (and I still remember all this obscure information, scary). - ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth McCoy To: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 12:57 PM Subject: Re: IN> One of the most powerful Ethereals... > H&H says Mammon created Santa. Superiors _4_, which trumps H&H, says that > Mammon _claims_ he created Santa. Remember that Mammon is a Balseraph. Though > the most current manifestation/depiction of Santa can be a bit dubious... > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:25:48 EST From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Actually, I'd challenge you to produce even one well-adjusted Archangel in In Nomine canon. It isn't just the Malakim... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:12:21 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... At 5:03 PM -0500 12/4/00, damienw@juno.com wrote: > Since I've been reading Unknown Armies, how about a second >interpretation of this: an ethereal True King. This fellow draws >essence from the various concepts of the Once and Future King >from Arthur on down. [...] > Of course, since the archetype includes the idea that even if >the king is killed, he will rise again in a time of need Elvis... as the Fisher King? That's... that's.... ...brilliant.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:13:42 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim At 6:25 PM -0500 12/4/00, MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: >Actually, I'd challenge you to produce even one well-adjusted Archangel in In >Nomine canon. It isn't just the Malakim... Yves. Okay, he isn't technically an *angel,* but he *is* an Archangel and well adjusted.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:29:01 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Whistling in the Dark" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 7:13 PM Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim > At 6:25 PM -0500 12/4/00, MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: > >Actually, I'd challenge you to produce even one well-adjusted Archangel in In > >Nomine canon. It isn't just the Malakim... > > Yves. > > Okay, he isn't technically an *angel,* but he *is* an Archangel and > well adjusted.... Well, it depends on your definition of "well-adjusted". If it doesn't necessarily include being *sociable*, then Jean also counts -- he's not irrational, he's just a total stiff who knows that he's a total stiff and likes being a total stiff. A case might be made for him being mildly obsessive-compulsive, but he hardly takes it to levels that prohibit him from functioning.. For that matter, Novalis is also quite well-adjusted -- sure, she's a pacifist, but that's a philosophy, not a mental condition. Indeed, Novy probably has given herself the self-appointed job of "Trying to make sure the *rest* of them don't go nuts". And heck, I'd even include Michael in the well-adjusted category... he has no hangups, no fears, no phobias, no knots in his brain, no bats in his belfry. Indeed, he's so self-assured and self-confident that he drives most other people nuts. He might be so pridefully macho that it annoys 99% of everybody who knows him, but he's definitely not a twitch case. (As for people who think that his enormously aggressive outlook constitutes not being well-adjusted... I disagree. *Baal* is the case of the guy who got so deeply into the war thing that he forgot the distinction between the innocent and the enemy. So long as Michael still remembers what he's fighting for and why, and then applies that necessary restraint to his actions, he's fine. If Michael is not well-adjusted, then most pro football and basketball players -- not to mention Airborne Rangers, Green Berets, etc. -- are likewise.) Now admittedly, there are a few people up there who *do* need a bit of adjusting. Dominic, the paranoid. Eli, of the short attention span and severe irresponsibility. [1] Janus, the ADD poster child. Blandine, chronic depression. (Or maybe she's obsessive over her lost love... I wouldn't know, I ain't no psychiatrist.) Jordi, the... eeesh, "failure to be normally socialized" doesn't even *begin* to cover that one. Of course, even the worst one in Heaven looks like a paragon of sanity compared to that bunch of psychotic basket cases in the Descending Hierarchy... - -- Chuckg [1] Unless, of course, it all turns out to have been a clever plot in the end. Fnord. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:48:42 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim At 6:25 PM -0500 12/4/00, MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: >Actually, I'd challenge you to produce even one well-adjusted Archangel in In >Nomine canon. It isn't just the Malakim... For some reason, I've always thought that Raphael was a "well-adjusted" Elohite Archangel. Not sure why. Maybe it's just because she's a dead war-hero, so there's that retroactive perfecting of the personality... (Canon? When Io-chan has discovered the keypad and is going to be adding numbers to my text any mome nt now? NOtto mention her and the arrowkeys...( - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:34:40 -0800 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim From: Charles Glasgow <> The thing is that this applies to all of them. Yes, all of them, even Uriel (not that I personally consider him anything remotely close to well-adjusted, but each person likely has a slightly different list of "poorly-adjusted Archangels"). - -- Kish ICQ#: 28085879 AIM: Kish K M Kish_K@mindspring.replacewithcom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:55:13 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim At 7:29 PM -0600 12/4/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: >[...] Jordi, the... eeesh, "failure to >be normally socialized" doesn't even *begin* to cover that one. Nahhhhh. He's just not house-broken, that's all. emccoy@nh.ultranet.com, Uppity Wynch http://brie.bmsc.washington.edu/people/merritt/books/Eye_of_Argon.html "rumoured to contain hoards of plunder, and many young wenches" Mike [falsetto]: "We're tired of these degrading patriachical slurs! From now on we demand to be called 'wynchys.'" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:42:13 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kish" To: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 7:34 PM Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim > From: Charles Glasgow > > <> > > The thing is that this applies to all of them. Yes, all of them, even > Uriel (not that I personally consider him anything remotely close to > well-adjusted, but each person likely has a slightly different list of > "poorly-adjusted Archangels"). Emphasis being on the 'slightly'. For example, it probably wouldn't be hard to get everybody to agree that Uriel had a screw loose at the end, and you could probably get 90% agreement on Dominic's taking his duty to too much of an extreme... Sure, there's a lot of Superiors that people would disagree on. But there are those names that are in common on most if not all lists. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:52:21 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim At 7:29 PM -0600 12/4/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Whistling in the Dark" >To: >Cc: >Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 7:13 PM >Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim > > >> At 6:25 PM -0500 12/4/00, MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: >> >Actually, I'd challenge you to produce even one well-adjusted Archangel >in In >> >Nomine canon. It isn't just the Malakim... >> >> Yves. >> >> Okay, he isn't technically an *angel,* but he *is* an Archangel and >> well adjusted.... > >Well, it depends on your definition of "well-adjusted". If it doesn't >necessarily include being *sociable*, then Jean also counts -- he's not >irrational, he's just a total stiff who knows that he's a total stiff and >likes being a total stiff. I don't count Jean as well-adjusted. He micromanages thousands upon thousands of angels. That works at least as a neurosis. He's not *frothing,* but he's not a full Ritz box of crackers, either. >For that matter, Novalis is also quite well-adjusted -- sure, she's a >pacifist, but that's a philosophy, not a mental condition. Indeed, Novy >probably has given herself the self-appointed job of "Trying to make sure >the *rest* of them don't go nuts". Again, I'm not entirely sure -- Novalis might well be well-adjusted, or Novalis might be delusional. It's a push, I think. I don't disagree with you but I wouldn't disagree with someone who disagreed with you, either. She's an YMMV. >And heck, I'd even include Michael in the well-adjusted category... he has >no hangups, no fears, no phobias, no knots in his brain, no bats in his >belfry. Indeed, he's so self-assured and self-confident that he drives most >other people nuts. Weeeeeeeeeeell.... There *is* such a thing as a Messiah Complex. I define Michael as many uber-primo numero uno things, and one of those is First Seraph. The Holiest of the Most Holy, And Knows It. He and the Truth are beyond biblical and straight into living in sin, they're so sympatico. I don't think someone with that much Pride (and he *was* convicted, remember) can be called a well adjusted Angel. In human terms, he might be fine, if a monumentally compulsive overachiever. (Why do I suddenly have this image of Michael as a dark haired Hunter Hearst Helmsley?) >*Baal* is the case of the guy who got so >deeply into the war thing that he forgot the distinction between the >innocent and the enemy. Oh, agreed. Baal's 100% crackerdog. >Now admittedly, there are a few people up there who *do* need a bit of >adjusting. Dominic, the paranoid. Eli, of the short attention span and >severe irresponsibility. [1] Janus, the ADD poster child. Blandine, >chronic depression. (Or maybe she's obsessive over her lost love... I >wouldn't know, I ain't no psychiatrist.) Jordi, the... eeesh, "failure to >be normally socialized" doesn't even *begin* to cover that one. Litheroy, who puts the "Savant" back in Idiot Savant ("Gotta reveal Waupner. Definitely gotta reveal Waupner") with his inability to see the forest for every last leaf on every last tree... Gabriel -- er, never mind. She's too easy.... Marc actually makes a fighting stab at well adjusted. No wonder people can't stand him.... >Of course, even the worst one in Heaven looks like a paragon of sanity >compared to that bunch of psychotic basket cases in the Descending >Hierarchy... Hm.... Is Kobal, perhaps, sane? Maybe that's his curse. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1957 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.