From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Dec 5 17:38:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11855 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 17:38:40 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id RAA29711 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 17:38:24 -0600 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 17:38:24 -0600 Message-Id: <200012052338.RAA29711@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1958 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, December 5 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1958 In this digest: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim IN> Basic Questions Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Re: IN> Basic Questions Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Re: IN> Basic Questions Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Re: IN> Basic Questions Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... 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Re: IN> relic question Re: IN> God's Word-bound (Re: Netanya, the Angel of the SelflessGift) Re: IN> Magog and Khalid ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:56:58 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim At 8:55 PM -0500 12/4/00, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 7:29 PM -0600 12/4/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: >>[...] Jordi, the... eeesh, "failure to >>be normally socialized" doesn't even *begin* to cover that one. > >Nahhhhh. He's just not house-broken, that's all. > He's a Kyriotate. He's perfectly well adjusted -- for eighteen different species simultaneously at any given time. Kyriotates put the *fun* back into functionally delusional! - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 00:10:05 -0200 From: "Jorge Antunes" Subject: IN> Basic Questions Hi guys, In my first post to the list I apologize for the english and for any silly question made... 1) How many Rites do any character starts with? 2) What can a GM do when the entire group is formed of demons with a lot of Discord? Do these PCs aren't welcome to their Superiors? 3) Is there a easy way to calculate the range of the disturbance and the distance where it is possible to hear it? The one in the basic book sounds me to much difficult to use correctly... 4) I read sometime ago a post about the Redention of Lucifer, or something like that. Can you guys repost it to me? There are more questions, but I'll let them to a future post. Thanks a lot! Jorge Antunes (a new brazilian GM) _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:13:38 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Whistling in the Dark" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 7:52 PM Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim [snip] > There *is* such a thing as a Messiah Complex. I define Michael as > many uber-primo numero uno things, and one of those is First Seraph. > The Holiest of the Most Holy, And Knows It. He and the Truth are > beyond biblical and straight into living in sin, they're so sympatico. Marvel comics fans have a similar ongoing unresolved argument re: Victor Von Doom -- can you justifiably be called a megalomaniac for believing that you're the smartest human being in the omniverse, when you might well *genuinely be* the smartest human being in the omniverse? (Admittedly, even those who concede this point still acknowledge that the man is crackers in other aspects.) And then there's the 'Watchmen' fans who get into arguments about Ozymandias... - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:19:41 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Whistling in the Dark" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 7:52 PM Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim > There *is* such a thing as a Messiah Complex. I define Michael as > many uber-primo numero uno things, and one of those is First Seraph. > The Holiest of the Most Holy, And Knows It. He and the Truth are > beyond biblical and straight into living in sin, they're so sympatico. But enough of that comics stuff. Just had another thought... Michael's Sup1 writeup acknowledges that Michael is *not* possessed of the belief that he is infallibly right... which means he don't have the Messiah Complex. If Michael can be out-argued and shown to be wrong on a particular point, then he'll admit it. His mental universe does contain a concept of somebody else possibly turning out to have a better read on the Truth than he does. It's just that merely telling Michael that he's wrong is fruitless... you've got to *show* him. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:28:08 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Basic Questions >Hi guys, > >In my first post to the list I apologize for the english and for any >silly question made... Welcome, welcome, welcome. No need to apologize. >1) How many Rites do any character starts with? A character gets all of the basic Rites of their Superior (listed in the Superior description). Additional Rites have a price of 3 character points, and may be taken from the extended write ups of the character's Superior or from friendly Superiors (if you allow it). >2) What can a GM do when the entire group is formed of demons with a >lot of Discord? Do these PCs aren't welcome to their Superiors? Are they all Renegades? If so you can do an entire on the run from the Game/Judgement deal where they need no better motivation to be together than safety in numbers. Plenty interesting and suitable for all sorts of different tones. If they aren't all Renegades and just Discordiant & disfavored then you can have a long string of adventures that is getting back into favor with their Superior (and possibly earning off the Discord). Great incentive to get them to jump through any hoops you want. >3) Is there a easy way to calculate the range of the disturbance and >the distance where it is possible to hear it? The one in the basic >book sounds me to much difficult to use correctly... Lots of people say this. Lots of people have house rules to deal with it. I'll let them explain their own house rules. I use the rules out of the book without much trouble, as have GMs I've played with. >4) I read sometime ago a post about the Redention of Lucifer, or >something like that. Can you guys repost it to me? I think you're talking about Dark Victory, an interesting setting which has the Redemption of Lucifer. Here's the URL for it: http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/seeds/DarkVictory/ There was a flip flop kick awhile back, lots of Superiors being swapped around. And then there's Moe's OOPs dealie with the URL: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Hope it helps. - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:31:23 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim At 8:19 PM -0600 12/4/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: >It's just that merely telling Michael that he's wrong is fruitless... you've >got to *show* him. Which, for a Seraph, is Pride and something of a Messiah Complex. If you tell Michael he's wrong and offer no proof, but the Symphony goes *ping* and agrees, he still wants to see. Now, the Symphony and his Resonance *should* be enough for him, but it isn't. This is, by the by, one of the ways Dominic is one-up on Michael, IMO. Dominic has a *big* pole where the sun don't shine, but if he Resonantes someone and learns a Truth that flies in the face of what he believes, Dominic accepts that truth and moves on. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 18:41:04 -0800 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> Basic Questions From: Jorge Antunes <<3) Is there a easy way to calculate the range of the disturbance and the distance where it is possible to hear it? The one in the basic book sounds me to much difficult to use correctly...>> http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/Resources/disturbance_stats. html - -- Kish ICQ#: 28085879 AIM: Kish K M Kish_K@mindspring.replacewithcom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:13:11 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Whistling in the Dark" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 8:31 PM Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim > At 8:19 PM -0600 12/4/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: > >It's just that merely telling Michael that he's wrong is fruitless... you've > >got to *show* him. > > Which, for a Seraph, is Pride and something of a Messiah Complex. > > If you tell Michael he's wrong and offer no proof, but the Symphony > goes *ping* and agrees, he still wants to see. Eh? And where does it say that? I got nothing of the kind from the Sup1 writeup. [snip] > This is, by the by, one of the ways Dominic is one-up on Michael, > IMO. Dominic has a *big* pole where the sun don't shine, but if he > Resonantes someone and learns a Truth that flies in the face of what > he believes, Dominic accepts that truth and moves on. I might point out that the only known instances of where Michael has *not* accepted a Truth upon first resonance ping are those Superior-on-Superior situations, where he *can't* get the full Truth of the Symphony just from a ping. Likewise for Dominic. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 22:20:10 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Basic Questions > 3) Is there a easy way to calculate the range of the disturbance and > the distance where it is possible to hear it? The one in the basic > book sounds me to much difficult to use correctly... 1. Throw out all the sensing mechanics. 2. Decree that every note of Essence carries for one mile (or kilometer) and lasts for one minute. *Exactly* one mile (km) and one minute. Each additional disturbance is, of course, cumulative. 3. Shush annoying players by explaining that "It's miraculous, it can do that." If that doesn't work, give the annoying person a dirty look and threaten him by suggesting that if wants the mechanics so much, then by golly he can do all the calculations *for you*. 4. When Disturbance occurs, check to see if players are in range. If so, have them roll Perception to see if they sense it. If so, use the table on p. 55 of the main book to determine what they can detect. Ta-dah. I call it "Metric Disturbance Mechanics." It speeds play tremendously.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 23:03:30 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim - -----Original Message----- Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:52:21 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim >Is Kobal, perhaps, sane? Maybe that's his curse. Of course he's sane. I actually consider most comedians saner then everybody else, since they actually bother to talk out loud about what's wrong with Real Life, when everyone else just accepts any problem as something normal. I mean, come on, since when do we actually disagree with a stand-up comic's opinions about life? Lord knows I consider comics more reliable then philosophers. ...Kind of puts me in the mood to write up this Elohite Archangel of Comedy I've been thinking about... - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 23:15:53 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim At 11:03 PM -0500 12/4/00, Rolland Therrien wrote: > >I mean, come on, since when do we actually disagree with a stand-up comic's >opinions about life? Lord knows I consider comics more reliable then >philosophers. I daresay many excellent comics *are* Philosophers. Philosophy was the major, primary study and lifelong obsession of Steve Martin, for example. Which explains a lot about L.A. Story. And every so often, in the middle of a Dennis Leary rant, he quiets and talks about life, and sucks you right in. Just as example.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 23:17:53 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim At 9:13 PM -0600 12/4/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: [..snip..] Whoooooa -- I forgot with whom I was speaking. When the topic is Michael, I need to remember not to debate. The debate is bad. Baaaad debate. So -- how's about that David. Now there's a fruitbar and a half.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 01:14:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: > Actually, I'd challenge you to produce even one well-adjusted Archangel in In > Nomine canon. It isn't just the Malakim... Marc. No problem. This is why Marc will never be the focal point of my campaign, but he'll always be a factor in ANY politics... he's the one with the most well adjusted, sane view of Heaven, Earth, the War... everything. He can see everyone's point of view, and can figure out the best compromise between any two parties. Not that the parties will always ACCEPT them, of course, but he'll find the fairest way, every time. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! A crash reduces Your expensive computer To a simple stone. -- Sony Vaio-PC Haiku ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 22:22:26 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Whistling in the Dark" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 10:17 PM Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim > At 9:13 PM -0600 12/4/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: > [..snip..] > > Whoooooa -- I forgot with whom I was speaking. When the topic is > Michael, I need to remember not to debate. The debate is bad. Baaaad > debate. *ahem* - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:57:03 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim > >Actually, I'd challenge you to produce even one well-adjusted Archangel >in In >> >Nomine canon. It isn't just the Malakim... <<< I don't know. Litheroy is fairly well-adjusted. I mean, okay, he's a *tad* obsessive with revealing thing, but otherwise, he just has a very healthy sense of curiousity. :) Christopher is, as far as I can tell, your all-around, average Archangel. Nice, funny, friendly, dedicated. He doesn't obsess over things, he is selfless, and his sense of duty runs in the same way that many real-life people feel: to protect and nurture the young, an admirable trait. Based on what little I know of him, Oannes, the ancient Archangel of The Waters was probably another even-handed type too. :) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 21:56:43 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 19:42:13 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim >, and you could probably get 90% agreement on >Dominic's taking his duty to too much of an extreme... Just as long as I'm on record as being firmly in the other 10%. Really, when all is said or done, it's her or Asmodeus. I prefer her.* . :) Morgan, SAW Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of, Of course, I've put up one or two non-canonical safeguards to keep her on the straight-and-narrow, but I never thought she really _needed_ them. *YMMV. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 22:04:01 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:24:18 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... >So if Santa is one of the most powerful Ethereals -- >who're the others? For the moment mostly ignoring the >traditional/Mythic/Fae Ethereals. Of the modern >Ethereals, who's top Dreamshade? God help us all, right now it's probably Pikachu. Of course, that spirit's traded power for lifespan, so it'll burn out soon enough. Such a pity. Seriously, I'd answer this one, but every time I think of a cool modern ethereal, I do a writeup and post it. I can't answer without looking egotistical. :) Moe P.S. Gracelander. You _aren't_ the nice one, Eric. I'll be laughing about that one at odd points during my commute for the next two days. :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2000 07:38:23 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: IN> relic question how many points would it cost to integrate the Seraphim resonance--more precisely, the Seraphim disonnace condition--into a relic? i'm thinking of Wonder Woman's (don't laugh, she's a Malakite if ever you saw one!) magic lasso, and how it compells those bound in its cord to tell the truth. how can that be done within the In Nomine system? -=|horsefly|=- God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 01:03:07 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> relic question The Song of Truth from the Liber Canticorum. It covers pretty much what you want to be done. - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 03:07:01 -0500 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:12:21 -0500 Whistling in the Dark writes: > > > Of course, since the archetype includes the idea that even if > >the king is killed, he will rise again in a time of need > > Elvis... as the Fisher King? > > That's... that's.... > > ...brilliant.... Not to mention vaguely Hite-ish. - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 03:15:04 -0500 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 23:15:53 -0500 Whistling in the Dark writes: > > I daresay many excellent comics *are* Philosophers. Philosophy was > the major, primary study and lifelong obsession of Steve Martin, for > example. Which explains a lot about L.A. Story. And every so often, > in the middle of a Dennis Leary rant, he quiets and talks about > life, and sucks you right in. Just as example.... And don't forget Bill Hicks, who practically patented the "god damn, you people are stupid, I'm even telling you and you find it funny" rant. - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 05:29 +0000 From: Kay Dekker Subject: Re: IN> God's Word-bound (Re: Netanya, the Angel of the SelflessGift) Damien wrote: > Well... this isn't canon by a longshot, but given the nature of > angels in IN it just wouldn't *occur* to an angel that children > would need protection over and above what the parents should > provide. It's that whole selfless nonhuman thing. *grin* And how long did it take them to notice that Cain had splatted his bro? Kay, thinking that children had a _tough_ time of it from the start - -- "Caesar, the Zeta Reticulans having been repelled, fortified the spaceport with walls and ditches." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 07:33:50 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> relic question - -=|horsefly|=- wrote: > how many points would it cost to integrate the Seraphim > resonance--more precisely, the Seraphim disonnace condition--into a > relic? GM's option, since there's no official way to imbed resonances/dissonance conditions, but I'd charge a base cost of 10 points. > i'm thinking of Wonder Woman's (don't laugh, she's a Malakite > if ever you saw one!) Nope, she has the four-color comic book code against killing. magic lasso, and how it compells those bound in > its cord to tell the truth. how can that be done within the In Nomine > system? Song of Truth. - -David ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2000 15:48:35 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> relic question On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 07:33:50 -0600 David Edelstein wrote: >-=|horsefly|=- wrote: >> how many points would it cost to integrate the Seraphim >> resonance--more precisely, the Seraphim disonnace condition--into a >> relic? >GM's option, since there's no official way to imbed >resonances/dissonance conditions, but I'd charge a base cost of 10 >points. sounds fair. >> i'm thinking of Wonder Woman's (don't laugh, she's a Malakite >> if ever you saw one!) >Nope, she has the four-color comic book code against killing. while her origin story is more as the construct of Ethereals, Wonder Woman goes way beyond a "four-color comic book code against killing", which incidentally, she is not bound by. Wonder Woman has killed, and usually when she does, it gets her into trouble with the gods or her friends (killing Seth or whichever snake-god it was trying to drive the world into a fear-ridden place he could rule quite some time ago, and more recently, betraying the JLA to destroy a dragon). indeed, as an amazon warrior entrusted to "bring peace to the world of men," Wonder Woman might have the chosen oathes, "I will try peace first and foremost, even with the most hardened, vile creatures" and "I will be honest at all times" (though JLA: A League of One sees her at a highly dissonant point). my point is, she's deeper and more complex than four-color. -=|horsefly|=- "It was a different time: a time of blood and guns and killings.... It was a time when killers needed saints, for so much of God's good work was being done." --SAINT OF KILLERS #4, Garth Ennis ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:24:05 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> relic question From: "David Edelstein" > -=|horsefly|=- wrote: > > > i'm thinking of Wonder Woman's (don't laugh, she's a Malakite > > if ever you saw one!) > > Nope, she has the four-color comic book code against killing. Not in Kingdome Come... ;) ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2000 16:35:06 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> relic question On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:24:05 -0600 Prodigal wrote: >From: "David Edelstein" >> -=|horsefly|=- wrote: >> > i'm thinking of Wonder Woman's (don't laugh, she's a Malakite >> > if ever you saw one!) >> Nope, she has the four-color comic book code against killing. >Not in Kingdome Come... ;) yet another example, thanks. Heaven's Ladder, as well. i think Batman among others have pointed out the irony if not hypocricy of having a warrior counsel peace. Wonder Woman is a dipolmat, yes, and an emissary, but she's also capable of making war on a nation or an individual, and killing is an acceptable action to defend others. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 16:51:30 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> relic question >From: "Prodigal" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: >Subject: Re: IN> relic question >Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 10:24:05 -0600 > >From: "David Edelstein" > > > > -=|horsefly|=- wrote: > > > > > i'm thinking of Wonder Woman's (don't laugh, she's a Malakite > > > if ever you saw one!) > > > > Nope, she has the four-color comic book code against killing. > >Not in Kingdome Come... ;) Not even in her own book. Wonder Woman might have a code against killing humans, but show her a demon or a monster or something similar and she'll eviscerate into heaps of bloody gore without a qualm. After making sure that it wasn't a friendly-but-misunderstood monster, of course. Hrm... Malakite of Flowers? - -- Chuckg _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:09:30 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> relic question At 10:24 AM -0600 12/5/00, Prodigal wrote: >From: "David Edelstein" > > > -=|horsefly|=- wrote: >> >> > i'm thinking of Wonder Woman's (don't laugh, she's a Malakite >> > if ever you saw one!) >> > > Nope, she has the four-color comic book code against killing. > >Not in Kingdome Come... ;) (Why do I have a sudden image of Alex Ross painting a Baseball Playoff comic set in Seattle....) Wonder Woman's been somewhat radicalized. The "Amazon" part of her definition's been reemphasized, and she's been dragged through Good Girl/Bad Girl styles a few times in the last few years. The Kingdom Come version of Wonder Woman is *very* much an Outcast Malakite who's dissonant and overcompensating for it -- which in turn is making her more dissonant. In fact, she works very well in Kingdom Come as an Outcast Malakite of Flowers, trying to redeem herself by destroying all the evil she can, and having that turn her more and more Dissonant. Hm.... (Note, these are all Kingdom Come versions, not standard versions. And this could contain spoilers if folks care.) If we define Supervillains as Demons, Superman could be seen as a Mercurian -- dedicated against violence save against the horde. Or, he could be one big Cherub -- though his humanity (and his denial of it) is a huge subtext in the whole series.... Actually, Cherub makes the most sense -- when several of his attuned die in the years before the series, he turns his back on the World he has sworn to protect, obsessively farming instead. Batman, while sardonic as ever, is kind of a pure Elohite of Judgement. The Spectre is a Seraph of Judgement, with a human Servant. The Flash is obviously an Ofanite -- probably of Lightning. Power Girl is presented as a Malakite of War. Green Lantern is presented as... hm... he's a Servitor of the Sword, but what flavor is hard to tell. Red Robin and Wonder Girl are both Mercurians of War. Lex Luthor is a Balseraph of the Game, and sadly he's managed to weave his lies around poor Captain Marvel, who in Fallen Form seems either a Djinn of the Game (with a kind of reverse Humanity attunement) or a Habbalite of some sort. I'm tired. I'd better stop before I start analyzing the Super Friends versions.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:20:50 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> relic question From: "Charles Glasgow" > > After making sure that it wasn't a friendly-but-misunderstood monster, of > course. > > Hrm... Malakite of Flowers? Either that or possibly Protection. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:27:59 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> relic question From: "Whistling in the Dark" > > I'm tired. I'd better stop before I start analyzing the Super Friends > versions.... At which point we would have to kill you. Spoiler for "Unbreakable" follows, since we're dealing with comic books... (Relatively minor ones, but I'd still advise seeing the movie before you read it.) (Not that it'll spoil anything *too* big, but just on general principle.) This has got to be the best portrayal of the Malakite resonance I have ever seen, substituting physical for eye contact. Seeing him pick up on the dishonorable actions of others gave me all the right kind of shivers, especially the last time he uses it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:44:35 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Basic Questions At 12:10 AM -0200 12/5/00, Jorge Antunes wrote: >Hi guys, > >In my first post to the list I apologize for the english and for any >silly question made... > >1) How many Rites do any character starts with? The ones that are listed for their Superior, assuming that they are a Servitor in average-to-good standing. (As opposed to a human, or a Renegade/Outcast.) This is usually about 2 to 4 Rites. As noted, additional Rites may be granted to characters, either as rewards from a Superior, or paid for (at 3 character points per Rite), as the GM wills. >2) What can a GM do when the entire group is formed of demons with a >lot of Discord? Do these PCs aren't welcome to their Superiors? I'd suggest grabbing the Infernal Player's Guide, if possible -- but basically roll your eyes and, so long as the Discord isn't "nice" stuff, just assume that the Superiors are going to be fairly "short" with the PCs. More likely to give them jobs where they (the Princes) really don't much care if their "screw-up" Servitors get sent back to their Hearts in Trauma. And tell the players this -- Discord means, at the least, that the character has a disadvantage which is almost certain to make it less effective. Princes, ruthless nasty-bads that they are, will note this and tend to use these less-effective "tools" more carelessly. The only exceptions are Calabim, who _have_ to have Discord, and Lilim, who are rarely Geas-free. >3) Is there a easy way to calculate the range of the disturbance and >the distance where it is possible to hear it? The one in the basic >book sounds me to much difficult to use correctly... Other people have various suggestions, as you can see. If you plug the numbers in, _for a given character_, they actually work okay. It's just you have to plug the numbers in every single time, for every single character. O:p One of the other suggestions that I haven't seen is: wing it. If it's a small disturbance, of a note or two, no one outside the immediate area is going to get a chance to notice it. If it's a big disturbance, it will ring all over the block/suburb/city/county/state/country. (Unless it's Rhode Island, in which case a mere 2 notes of disturbance will probably do for the whole state... O:> ) >4) I read sometime ago a post about the Redention of Lucifer, or >something like that. Can you guys repost it to me? If someone can find it, they can likely send it along to you -- but there have been a few posts along those lines. If you mean the Dark Victory scenerio, that's findable if you poke around www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles . (I think it's articles/settings/DarkVictory , but don't quote me on that.) You can also check out the archives, which are at http://www.sjgames.com/ftp/sjgames/in-nomine/digests/ - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:46:42 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim At 9:31 PM -0500 12/4/00, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >At 8:19 PM -0600 12/4/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: >>It's just that merely telling Michael that he's wrong is fruitless... you've >>got to *show* him. > >Which, for a Seraph, is Pride and something of a Messiah Complex. > >If you tell Michael he's wrong and offer no proof, but the Symphony >goes *ping* and agrees, I think that qualifies as Proof, right there. Now, if you've got _opinions_... You have to prove that your opinion is more correct. ("AUGH! I concede, I concede! Plaids and pokadots in neon lime and hot fuschia _are_ evil!") Or do I need to re-read S1? O:> - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:57:05 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Just checking... Is there an actual, canonical Demon of Kinky Sex? Besides Andre, of course. I'll explain why I need to know later. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 15:54:41 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Just checking... At 11:57 AM -0800 12/5/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >Is there an actual, canonical Demon of Kinky Sex? >Besides Andre, of course. Heh. Big besides there. If there is, it's not mentioned in S2. Checked www.incyclopedia.org? >I'll explain why I need to know later. :) Oh dear. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 12:42:10 -0800 From: Steven Feldon Subject: RE: IN> Just checking... Demon of Adultery, Demon of Bad Sex, Demon of Outdoor Sex, Demon of Wife-Swapping, but no demon of Kinky Sex directly. Whee. steve - -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth McCoy [mailto:emccoy@nh.ultranet.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 12:55 PM To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: Re: IN> Just checking... At 11:57 AM -0800 12/5/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >Is there an actual, canonical Demon of Kinky Sex? >Besides Andre, of course. Heh. Big besides there. If there is, it's not mentioned in S2. Checked www.incyclopedia.org? >I'll explain why I need to know later. :) Oh dear. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:53:57 -0500 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> relic question On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 07:33:50 -0600 David Edelstein writes: > > i'm thinking of Wonder Woman's (don't laugh, she's a Malakite > > if ever you saw one!) > > Nope, she has the four-color comic book code against killing. > Depends on the Wonder Woman. Ever read the Kingdom Come version of her? Malakite to the bone. - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 16:52:30 -0500 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> God's Word-bound (Re: Netanya, the Angel of the SelflessGift) On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 05:29 +0000 Kay Dekker writes: > Damien wrote: > > Well... this isn't canon by a longshot, but given the nature of > > angels in IN it just wouldn't *occur* to an angel that children > > would need protection over and above what the parents should > > provide. It's that whole selfless nonhuman thing. > > *grin* And how long did it take them to notice > that Cain had splatted his bro? They weren't children at the time, neither. At least, I've always seen it traditionally portrayed as they were young men. - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 23:34:53 From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: Re: IN> Magog and Khalid >P.S. Oh, and on behalf of Gallagher's everywhere, I would like to protest >the defamation of the Gallagher name...ie. the thread of The Demon of >Gallagher and such... :p > > >Sean Gallagher >yves_1@hotmail.com Right on Brother! Daniel Archangel of Slackers "The world is... um, pass the Doritos." _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1958 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.