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in_nomine-digest     Wednesday, December 6 2000     Volume 01 : Number 1959



In this digest:

   Re: IN> Basic Questions
   Re: IN> Magog and Khalid
   Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals...
   Fwd: IN> Wonder Woman in In Nomine context
   Re: IN> relic question
   IN> Celestial phone booths
   Re: IN> Celestial phone booths
   Re: IN> Celestial phone booths
   Re: IN> Celestial phone booths
   IN> Fwd: Ofanim of Fire
   Re: IN> Celestial phone booths
   Re: IN> Celestial phone booths
   IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1958
   Re: IN> Celestial phone booths
   Re: IN> Fwd: Ofanim of Fire
   Re: IN> Celestial phone booths
   Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim
   IN> Ethereal Super Heroes
   Re: IN> Celestial phone booths
   Re: IN> Celestial phone booths
   Re: IN> Celestial phone booths
   Re: IN> Celestial phone booths
   Re: IN> Ethereal Super Heroes
   IN> IN Peanuts
   Re: IN> Fwd: Ofanim of Fire
   Re: IN> Fwd: Ofanim of Fire
   Re: IN> Fwd: Ofanim of Fire
   Re: IN> Fwd: Ofanim of Fire
   IN> In Nomine Nobilis
   Re: IN> Fwd: Ofanim of Fire
   Re: IN> In Nomine Nobilis
   Yes, I blew it. (was: Re: IN> In Nomine Nobilis)
   IN> Demon(Possibly Demon Prince) of Hate
   Re: IN> Demon(Possibly Demon Prince) of Hate
   Re: IN> Demon(Possibly Demon Prince) of Hate

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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 23:59 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman)
Subject: Re: IN> Basic Questions

Elizabeth McCoy <emccoy@nh.ultranet.com>

> At 12:10 AM -0200 12/5/00, Jorge Antunes wrote:

> >3) Is there a easy way to calculate the range of the disturbance and
> >the distance where it is possible to hear it? The one in the basic
> >book sounds me to much difficult to use correctly...
> 
> Other people have various suggestions, as you can see.  If you plug the
> numbers in, _for a given character_, they actually work okay. It's
> just you have to plug the numbers in every single time, for every
> single character. O:p  
> 
> One of the other suggestions that I haven't seen is: wing it.  If it's
>  a small disturbance, of a note or two, no one outside the immediate
> area is going to get a chance to notice it. If it's a big disturbance,
> it will ring all over the block/suburb/city/county/state/country.

The related option is: as convenient for the plot. If you need that 
perception 4 Malakite to hear something to get the plot started, do it. 
The numbers are just complicated enough that the players shouldn't notice 
instantly; by the time they realise something was wrong, things should be 
moving, and they won't argue.

- --- 
John Dallman                                     jgd@cix.co.uk

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Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 19:28:58 -0500
From: Marc Bowden <ryumo@merit.edu>
Subject: Re: IN> Magog and Khalid

- --On Tuesday, December 5, 2000 23:34 +0000 Daniel Gallagher 
<yoshimato@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>> P.S. Oh, and on behalf of Gallagher's everywhere, I would like to
>> protest  the defamation of the Gallagher name...ie. the thread of
>> The Demon of  Gallagher and such... :p
>>
>>
>> Sean Gallagher
>> yves_1@hotmail.com
>
> Right on Brother!
>

  I don't care how many of these posts we get, we're not changing his 
name to "Demon of Oh No I'm In The Splash Zone!".

Marc. Just Marc.
Elohite Angel of Salvation
("Stuck in the 60s.")

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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 18:45:09 -0600
From: "Erich S. Arendall" <sprite@insync.net>
Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals...

> Elvis... as the Fisher King?
>
> That's... that's....
>
> ...brilliant....

Ooh! Forget Santa Claus, bye-bye Easter Bunny, /that's/ going to be my next
centeral ethereal in my campaign! :)

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Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2000 20:36:12 -0500
From: Elizabeth McCoy <emccoy@nh.ultranet.com>
Subject: Fwd: IN> Wonder Woman in In Nomine context

Date: 6 Dec 2000 00:59:46 -0000
From: "-=|horsefly|=-" <horsefly@ghostmail.net>
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Subject: IN> Wonder Woman in In Nomine context



[[[Beth here. I'm forwarding this because horsefly's emailer is inserting
(relatively benign, but still evil) HTML. It's starting to stray from IN
proper, but since the concepts of "Peace to counter Agression" vs. "Peace
because non-peace is dissonant" are interesting, I'm forwarding it along
as requested.  Do try to keep the discussion IN-focused so I don't have
cause to regret letting this thread live. O:> I hope I am not forwarding
too much of this discussion!]]]

On Tue, 5 Dec 2000 14:49:54 -0800 (PST) Bob <thornfury@yahoo.com> wrote:
- --- -=|horsefly|=- <horsefly@ghostmail.net> wrote:
Bob, i'm sending you this and another post to see if any of this makes 
sense to you as well as to possibly get more information/ammunition on 
the Wonder Woman debate, re her ethics and any "code against killing" she 
might have (i thought it was as simple as 'use peace first, fight if you 
have to--defensively, protecting the innocent--and kill only as a last 
resort,' but i don't recall her retaining a prohibition against killing.  
help if you can; i'll see if i can explain the parts that don't make sense to 
you if something comes up.  thanks.

- ------------------------------------

  Okay.  I can't speak to the In Nomine references, but I can speak to Diana
and her ethical systems.

    The Amazons extoll the virtues of Athena, Aphrodite, Demeter, Hermes, 
Hera, Hestia and Artemis.  They were created(using the Well of Souls located 
within Gaia's womb)to promote the higher virtues of the Gods(paticularly the
Goddeses). They emphasis Truth, Compassion, Beauty and self-improvement.  
Peace is, to the Amazonian Way, a by-product of these traits.
   The Amazonian Way also connotes a subtle paradox...that of "Loving
Submission".  This principle (which in theory works in a manner similar to the
Taoist "be like water") promotes the idea that one flows with the lines of
Truth and compassion via discipline and integrity.  No Amazon does anything
halfway(thus their innate capacity to excel), but they understand that the
universe doesn't favor the stupid, either.  Women, to the Amazonian Way of
thinking, tend to have the ability to "listen" to the needs of the Universe
easier than Men can, and that Patriach's World is in the mess that it has
always been in because Men like to block out the Wisdom of Women, suppressing
it and them.  Amazonian Tradition, in the past, applied Loving Submission in a
manner equivalent to "benevolent conquest through reason rather than force" in
a manner to teach Patriarch's World.  This is a major subtext (the negative
side) of Wonder Woman's philosophy.
    As for Diana herself:  Diana has no code against killing.  Diana's view is
simply that if she is forced to slay an opponent then either _she_ has failed
or the opponent is beyond her powers (Diana defines her philosophical
rhetorical skills as her true powers, rather than the physical gifts that were
given her by heritage/the Gods; Aphrodite's gifts of love and Beauty, Hestia's
communion with fire and the ability t see into Mens' hearts, and Athena's
Wisdom are much more highly valued than Demeter's/Gaia's strength, Hermes'
speed and Artemis' hunting skills).
    Diana won the right to wear the mantle of Wonder Woman so that she could
(a)prevent Ares from destroying the world in an orgy of war and (b)teach
Patriarch's World the Amazonian principles of love, peace, etc.  In short, she
was sent to promote Peace (which is a by-product, remember, not a means of
itself). Diana is a warrior-philosopher...she is exactly what the Brujah 
_wish_ that they were.  To her, philosophy _is_ her battlefield and _physical_ 
combat is just what she does on the side(a method of honing her need to excel/
an emergency action when rhetoric fails).
    Kingdom Come Diana:  What your friend has missed (or maybe they have a
weird way of defining such terms in In Nomine) is that the Diana of the
Kingdom's alternate future is FALLEN.  She failed in her quest to promote
Loving Submission and was cast out of the otherdimensional realm of her
heritage, stripped of her birthright and her immortality.  Superman's personal
quest was the regaining of his humanity, while Diana's was to regain the favor
of the Celestial World from which she was derived.  Note that Diana's slaying
of Von Bach came as a surprise to everyone _not_ because they didn't believe
her capable of it (she's an ancient warrior; no shocks, there) but because 
they knew that Diana had overlooked her conviction that killing and opponent 
should have meant "failing" to her.  
   When Diana revealed the reasons why she was cast out, she pointed out that
the Amazons believed that she had failed in her mission because she wasn't
strident enough (Loving _Submission_, remember?).  Superman countered by
stating that he had always admired her empathy.  Diana's avoidance of killing
never had anything to do with a formal code; it had to do with the fact that
each death that she personally might cause...as the Amazons Poster Child...
automatically played into Ares' hands (hmmm....she and Xena have more in
common by the moment...), and that ran directly to her hard-won role.  Now
cast out, she decided to take the "strident" route, forgetting about the fact
that part of her initial, true task was to counter Ares, almost bringing about
that which she came here to _prevent_.  She succumbed to that most dreaded of
Sins, Hubris.
    A Code Against Killing?  No.  A deep understanding that killing 
potentially minimizes her effectiveness and jeapordizes hers(and Humanity's) 
Redemption? 
Yes.
    I hope that this helps.  Add it to the discussion, if you wish.

Bob Mathis-Friedman
Author, Golden Lassos and Feminist Archetypes:  Wonder Woman as a Cultural Icon
(unpublished thesis, 1994).

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 20:41:18 -0600
From: David Edelstein <amadan@amadan.org>
Subject: Re: IN> relic question

damienw@juno.com wrote:
>   Depends on the Wonder Woman. Ever read the Kingdom Come version
> of her? Malakite to the bone.

Nope. I got out of the comic book habit years ago.

- -David

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 22:07:24 +1300
From: "Alex Liddell" <val_arrin@hotmail.com>
Subject: IN> Celestial phone booths

Hi,

Has anyone thought of this before.... it is such a cool idea, and really 
practical as well.

Celestial Phone Booth
Level/6 Relic
Celestial Song of Tounges/6
Advantage - For 1 Essence can be used by anyone at all without a roll.

These phone booths appear in Heaven only, dotted around the streets of the 
Eternal city.... yeah right, if Jean ever let them out of the lab!  They 
have been in development ever since Jean saw how much the Telephone brought 
the world together.  It is basically a booth that can send a message to 
anywhere in the world, to anyone that the user has seen before.  Think of it 
as a call shop for Celestials.  In Heaven and need to get in contact with 
special someone.... lost your vessel but need to let them know you're all 
right... then just pay the Essence and you can.  Jean thinks that it is 
great for Angels, it's the humans you have to worry about.  He can't just 
have them dialing up their living relatives.  That is why the booth hasn't 
hit the streets yet.  There appear to be a few complications with 
restricting access to the booth in Heaven.  Since everything in Heaven works 
so darn well, he can't block out people from using the thing.

He has been working on a way of incorporating the Corporeal Song of 
Correspondance and Ethereal Tounges into the booth to give two way 
communication, but that is still a long way away yet.

Alex

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 09:42:27 -0000
From: "Laurent" <cossonl@logica.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Celestial phone booths

> Celestial Phone Booth
[snip]

I like it. Very good idea, and it could turn very usefull indeed. Also, if Jean
doesn't want to build public phone relics everywhere, he can distribute similar
mobile phones to favored Servitors. It would be priceless for human soldiers who
can't easily reach Heaven*. Just compose your short message, spend 1E and press
send.


Mind if I steal this,

Laurent.

*limitted (and cheaper) versions with only one possible destination could be
distributed to humans to reach the Celestial they are serving.

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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 23:03:28 +1300
From: "Alex Liddell" <val_arrin@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Celestial phone booths

>I like it. Very good idea, and it could turn very usefull indeed. Also, if 
>Jean
>doesn't want to build public phone relics everywhere, he can distribute 
>similar
>mobile phones to favored Servitors. It would be priceless for human 
>soldiers who
>can't easily reach Heaven*. Just compose your short message, spend 1E and 
>press
>send.
>
>
>Mind if I steal this,
>
Yeah sure.  This is for general consumption.  It would be excellent for 
soldiers to have.  Much much much cheeper than purchasing or requesting the 
Celestial Connection Attunement and it is localised as well to one Song so 
that the Superior doesn't have a constant drain on his resources.

The Phone Booths are designed for servitors in Heaven who need to send 
quick, private messages to those on Earth on in the Marches... even others 
in Heaven.  Needless to say Marc would jump on the bandwagon as soon as he 
could start selling Celestial Phone Cards!

Celestial Phone Card
Celestial Relic/1 - 6
Restriction - Essence can only be used to power artifact

When using said phone card in a Celestial Phone booth, you can double the 
amount of Essence stored in the card.  Comes in designs and colors to suit 
Choir or Archangel.

He he.

Alex


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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 07:50:52 -0500
From: Marc Bowden <ryumo@merit.edu>
Subject: Re: IN> Celestial phone booths

- --On Wednesday, December 6, 2000 11:03 PM +1300 Alex Liddell 
<val_arrin@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Needless to say Marc would jump on the bandwagon as soon as he
> could start selling Celestial Phone Cards!
>
> Celestial Phone Card
> Celestial Relic/1 - 6
> Restriction - Essence can only be used to power artifact
>
> When using said phone card in a Celestial Phone booth, you can
> double the amount of Essence stored in the card.  Comes in designs
> and colors to suit Choir or Archangel.

  No doubt, designed by Charles Schultz.

Marc. Just Marc.
Elohite Angel of Salvation
(
  "Cool! So you guys get Linus on yours? What do we get?"
  Marc flips a card in the Malakite's direction. It's Snoopy as the 
Red Baron.
  "What about the Wheels?"
  "Uh..." he squints. "It's hard to tell. No matter how I hold the 
card, it's blurry.")

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:08:56 -0500
From: Elizabeth McCoy <emccoy@nh.ultranet.com>
Subject: IN> Fwd: Ofanim of Fire

>Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 07:27:50 -0600
>Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com:    Non-member submission from ["Laura the Legend" <lwinko@hotmail.com>]   

>From: "Laura the Legend" <lwinko@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Ofanim of Fire
>Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 00:24:18 +1100
>
>
>Can Wheels of Fire actually detect those who are fleeing from justice, or is 
>it only their duty to pursue them?
>Thank you.



[Beth answering here, since it's pretty simple: Yes, they can, and it
is their duty to pursue them. (Omit the "only" and the answer would
have been "yes and yes." O:> ) ]

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:23:54 -0600
From: "Prodigal" <prodigal@ticnet.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Celestial phone booths

From: "Marc Bowden" <ryumo@merit.edu>
> 
>   "Cool! So you guys get Linus on yours? What do we get?"
>   Marc flips a card in the Malakite's direction. It's Snoopy as the 
> Red Baron.
>   "What about the Wheels?"
>   "Uh..." he squints. "It's hard to tell. No matter how I hold the 
> card, it's blurry.")

And David keeps saying, morosely, "I got a rock."

;;;)

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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 11:47:30 -0500
From: Marc Bowden <ryumo@merit.edu>
Subject: Re: IN> Celestial phone booths

- --On Wednesday, December 6, 2000 10:23 AM -0600 Prodigal 
<prodigal@ticnet.com> wrote:

> From: "Marc Bowden" <ryumo@merit.edu>
>>
>>   "Cool! So you guys get Linus on yours? What do we get?"
>>   Marc flips a card in the Malakite's direction. It's Snoopy as
>>   the  Red Baron.
>>   "What about the Wheels?"
>>   "Uh..." he squints. "It's hard to tell. No matter how I hold the
>> card, it's blurry.")
>
> And David keeps saying, morosely, "I got a rock."
>
> ;;;)
>

  Novalis' crew, to no one's surprise, has the option of Woodstock, 
regardless of choir.

Marc. Just Marc.
Elohite Angel of Salvation
("Which I think makes Seraphim Lucy...")

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:02:32 -0500
From: "Joseph Rocchi/Toronto/IBM" <josephr@ca.ibm.com>
Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1958

Well.. the posts here kind of cross wired.
Or perhaps cross-polinated.

First,

>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 16:24:18 -0500
>From: Whistling in the Dark <in-sabre@annotations.com>
>Subject: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals...
>So if Santa is one of the most powerful Ethereals --
>who're the others? For the moment mostly ignoring the
>traditional/Mythic/Fae Ethereals. Of the modern
>Ethereals, who's top Dreamshade?

To which we got the reply:
>Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 22:04:01 -0800 (PST)
>From: Maurice Lane <moelane_1999@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals...

>God help us all, right now it's probably Pikachu.  Of
>course, that spirit's traded power for lifespan, so
>it'll burn out soon enough.  Such a pity.

>Seriously, I'd answer this one, but every time I think
>of a cool modern ethereal, I do a writeup and post it.
>I can't answer without looking egotistical. :)


Well, that's all well and good.. enough to get you thinking... then you
hit.

Date: 5 Dec 2000 07:38:23 -0000
From: "-=|horsefly|=-" <horsefly@ghostmail.net>
Subject: IN> relic question

how many points would it cost to integrate the Seraphim resonance--more
precisely, the Seraphim disonnace condition--into a relic?  i'm thinking of
Wonder Woman's (don't laugh, she's a Malakite if ever you saw one!) magic
lasso, and how it compells those bound in its cord to tell the truth.  how
can that be done within the In Nomine system?

These two together - and the realization that it's going to be the
characters with worldwide recognition, and a mythology behind them that
will be the ones to break through as powerful modern etherials...

The obvious choice for one of the most powerful is, of course, Superman.
Drivne by the dreams hand hopes of generations of children.

He's even built the mythology up to the point where the storytellers are
linking it across into Christianity. - witness Andrew M. Greely's article
on parallels between medieval Saints' tales and Superman in "Superman at
Fifty" - or, the line from Allan Moore's "The Last Superman Story"

'Once there was a perfect man who came from the sky and did only good.'

I don't think I can put it any more clearly than that one line...

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:01:52 -0500
From: Whistling in the Dark <in-sabre@annotations.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Celestial phone booths

At 10:23 AM -0600 12/6/00, Prodigal wrote:
>From: "Marc Bowden" <ryumo@merit.edu>
>>
>>    "Cool! So you guys get Linus on yours? What do we get?"
>>    Marc flips a card in the Malakite's direction. It's Snoopy as the
>>  Red Baron.

As the World War One Flying Ace. He fought the Red Baron. (Mmm... nits.)

Wouldn't Marc get Lucy's Psychiatric Booth? That was the only 
unremittantly commercial enterprise I can remember from the strip 
itself. Snoopy in the Sopwith Camel would go to Michael, I'd imagine. 
Linus would end up on Yves's card....
- -- 
Eric Alfred Burns - <in-sabre@annotations.com>
<http://www.annotations.com/~innomine>
Habbalite of Belaboring the Point

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:17:35 -0500
From: Whistling in the Dark <in-sabre@annotations.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Ofanim of Fire

At 11:08 AM -0500 12/6/00, Elizabeth McCoy wrote:
>  >Can Wheels of Fire actually detect those who are fleeing from justice, or is
>  >it only their duty to pursue them?
>  >Thank you.
>[Beth answering here, since it's pretty simple: Yes, they can, and it
>is their duty to pursue them. (Omit the "only" and the answer would
>have been "yes and yes." O:> ) ]

Here's a vignette on this subject I pulled from my website. The
original (and character writeup) are at
http://www.annotations.com/~innomine/characters/angels/dana.html if
anyone's interested.

There he was. The rat bastard who'd shot up a convenience store for
twenty seven bucks, then fled the law. Izzy, down to the K-Mart, he'd
seen him on America's Most Wanted, and there he was. Dana knew she
had to be sure, though. She couldn't take the risk of making a
mistake. She'd done that once and it'd been Hell. Dana should know.

"Hey man," her target said to the guy across the table from him. They
hadn't seen her sit behind them, eating greasy eggs and drinking
coffee, all to listen to them once she'd made her target. "I got to
go. Heat's still on, y'know?"

"I know," his friend said. "Where you staying at?"

"Brookline, man -- just off Washington Street. You know, that old
brownstone up there?"

"Oh yeah, yeah. I know the place."

Dana closed her eyes, feeling the fire under her skin, driving and
pushing. Tasting the fire as it reached out, into the city. Looking
for the fastest way, the best way up to that brownstone. Letting her
taste the route much better than she could taste the toast in her
hands. Yes. Yes she knew the way. Knew it better and faster than he
did, she'd bet dollars to cheese. She took a drink of coffee and
dropped money on the counter. Too much but she didn't care. She
slipped out and headed the wrong way, to circle the block. He was
going the other way, and now he'd probably be looking over his
shoulder. But that was fine. She could taste his address and she knew
the fast way, through the basements of the block of student housing,
all interconnected, up the steps, across to the B Line which would
take her three fourths of the way, and she'd get a car two before
his....

And she did, and she found the address. Looked at the door and knew
it was right. She checked the lock. It was locked. She took a breath,
and closed her eyes. She wouldn't have much time. He couldn't be that
far back. But if he saw his door unlocked or broken into, he'd run.
She'd catch him but it wouldn't be clean and if it wasn't clean it'd
get back to Dian and that'd be trouble. She felt the fire within her
skin, but it wasn't her skin. It wasn't her at all. She felt the fire
roil and shift and burn and the physical world drop away. To the
casual observer she'd look like she vanished, but the very perceptive
might see the burning ring of fire rise and roll, free, perceiving
all around it now, even as the physical door and wall it was passing
through seemed so remote, so distant...

The world pushed against her, outraged at her Celestial presence.
Well, that was fine. She could settle back into Corporeality. And
then search -- look for something with a name, with a face, with
something from Toledo where he'd been shooting, a gun....

The room was filthy. As filthy as Dana's own. Pizza boxes everywhere,
piled on the floor. Crusts and cockroaches and a television still on.
Beer cans and soda cans and cigarette butts. It's a wonder the place
hadn't burned to the ground.

Yet. Hadn't burned to the ground yet. Dana tore through things. An
old knapsack. Piles of clothes. Piles of bills. Piles of--

There. Bus tickets from Ohio. Old wallet with his ID in it. Old ID,
probably. He probably had new ID. CORBIN, Fern, Height five foot
eleven, weight one eighty....

Key in the lock. She stood up, and waited, shifting from one foot to
the other...

Fern Corbin stopped and looked at her. "The Hell," he asked, stunned.

"Not hardly," she said, smiling a feral smile. "Not hardly at all."

"Shit." He pulled out a pistol. "Girl, I don't know who you are or
what you're doing here, but you got eight seconds to leave and you're
turnin' out your--"

"Eight men, five women, two boys, one girl," she said. "Do you remember them?"

Corbin blinked. "The He--" But Dana didn't let him get his blasphemy
out. Not this time. Instead she jumped at him, spinning in air,
letting the fire in her twist her path so his startled pistol shots
fired around her instead of hitting. She drove her fist into his
solar plexus, feeling it crack and feeling him shriek. She turned on
the ball of her foot, pushing him down and driving the pistol to the
floor, where it fired again. Attention, but she wouldn't be long.

"Who are you?!" the meat wailed as she danced back out of his grasp.

"Who am I? Who am I? I'm what happens, Fern Corbin. I'm what happens
to bad men who think they can get away with murder." She pulled her
sword-hilt from the folds of her coat, and ignited the blade. It
burned in the apartment, and it reflected in his terrified eyes.

She didn't take long. Dian hated it when she was late, and Mass was
tonight too.


- -- 
Eric Alfred Burns - <in-sabre@annotations.com>
<http://www.annotations.com/~innomine>
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:20:20 -0600
From: "Prodigal" <prodigal@ticnet.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Celestial phone booths

From: "Whistling in the Dark" <in-sabre@annotations.com>
> 
> Wouldn't Marc get Lucy's Psychiatric Booth? 

I see Marc as getting Joe Cool on his.

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:04:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Maurice Lane <moelane_1999@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim

>    Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 20:57:03 -0800
From: Charles E Smith <edenesque@juno.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Maladjusted Malakim

>Christopher is, as far as I can tell, your
all->around, average Archangel.
>Nice, funny, friendly, dedicated. He doesn't obsess
>over things, he is selfless, and his sense of duty
>runs in the same way that many real-life people feel:
>to protect and nurture the young, an admirable trait.


True.  Great guy... but harm a kid in his presence,
and your head will reach orbit without bothering to
bring the rest of your body along.

By our standards, no Word-bound is going to be quite
sane.  They _all_ obsess about their Words, in ways
that make human obsessives look positively
happy-go-lucky.  Nice enough folks, some of them, but
ultimately alien.  :)

Morgan (SAW)
Kyriotate of Destiny
Petitioner for the Word of Yeah, yeah, I seem to
ignore my own opinion in a lot of my writeups.  Your
point?  :)


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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 12:24:57 -0500
From: Whistling in the Dark <in-sabre@annotations.com>
Subject: IN> Ethereal Super Heroes

At 12:02 PM -0500 12/6/00, Joseph Rocchi/Toronto/IBM wrote:
>These two together - and the realization that it's going to be the
>characters with worldwide recognition, and a mythology behind them that
>will be the ones to break through as powerful modern etherials...
>
>The obvious choice for one of the most powerful is, of course, Superman.
>Drivne by the dreams hand hopes of generations of children.

I absolutely agree. The truly *iconic* heroes could and probably
should spawn as Ethereals. Heck, when I was reading comics regularly
(and playing let's pretend) I used to dream I was super heroes.
Superman and the Flash were the two I remember dreaming about most
clearly.

If enough people dream about Superman, sooner or later a Superman
Dream Fragment will get out. Which doesn't mean the Last Son of
Dreams of Krypton is out there. A Dream Fragment may have echoes of
the true dream, but it would take a lot of belief and a lot of
Essence to become more. But over the last fifty years there's been a
lot of both....

(Who would I vote for Ethereal Super Friends, if you will? Superman.
Batman. Wonder Woman. Captain America. Spiderman. Then... maybe some
of the other Justice League members, and likely the X-Men, though
they're not as pedigreed as the above list -- not as many generations
of fans, just yet.)
- -- 
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<http://www.annotations.com/~innomine>
Habbalite of Belaboring the Point

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:40:42 -0600
From: "Erich S. Arendall" <sprite@insync.net>
Subject: Re: IN> Celestial phone booths

> > Wouldn't Marc get Lucy's Psychiatric Booth? 
> 
> I see Marc as getting Joe Cool on his.
> 

Would Janus get Pig Pen?

Who gets the Schroeder card?

Great. In Nomine According to the Peanuts.

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 11:44:55 -0600
From: "Prodigal" <prodigal@ticnet.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Celestial phone booths

From: "Erich S. Arendall" <sprite@insync.net>
> 
> Who gets the Schroeder card?

Song.

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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 12:55:39 -0500
From: "Malachai Davidson" <malakaiv2o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Celestial phone booths

>From: "Whistling in the Dark" <in-sabre@annotations.com>
> >
> > Wouldn't Marc get Lucy's Psychiatric Booth?

I am prone to agree with that.

>From: "Prodigal" <prodigal@ticnet.com>

>I see Marc as getting Joe Cool on his.

Nah, I see Eli with Joe Cool.

Malachai
Yeah, that is my name.


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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 14:04:12 -0500
From: Marc Bowden <ryumo@merit.edu>
Subject: Re: IN> Celestial phone booths

- --On Wednesday, December 6, 2000 12:01 PM -0500 Whistling in the Dark 
<in-sabre@annotations.com> wrote:

> At 10:23 AM -0600 12/6/00, Prodigal wrote:
>> From: "Marc Bowden" <ryumo@merit.edu>
>>>
>>>    "Cool! So you guys get Linus on yours? What do we get?"
>>>    Marc flips a card in the Malakite's direction. It's Snoopy as
>>>    the Red Baron.
>
> As the World War One Flying Ace. He fought the Red Baron. (Mmm...
> nits.)
>

  No lo contendre. I was in a terrible hurry.

> Wouldn't Marc get Lucy's Psychiatric Booth? That was the only
> unremittantly commercial enterprise I can remember from the strip
> itself.

  Servants of Marc, Arcangel of Trade, you bet. Marc the 
undistinguished angel of Salvation IST Johab, an Elohite, would just 
adore Linus.


Marc. Just Marc.
Elohite Angel of Salvation
(Pretty keen on Marcy too.)

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:11:14 -0000
From: "I. Inayat" <misterman00@misterman00.worldonline.co.uk>
Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal Super Heroes

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Whistling in the Dark" <in-sabre@annotations.com>

> (Who would I vote for Ethereal Super Friends, if you will? Superman.
> Batman. Wonder Woman. Captain America. Spiderman. Then... maybe some
> of the other Justice League members, and likely the X-Men, though
> they're not as pedigreed as the above list -- not as many generations
> of fans, just yet.)

And the Hulk. Don't forget the Hulk.

(Hmm. Ogiel meets the Hulk.

Now _there's_ a fun crossover... :))

What about the Ethereal Super _Villains_, though? Every superhero needs a
supervillain, a worthy opponent to face - it's part of what shapes their
dream. I can see an Ethereal Lex Luthor, the Joker, maybe Doctor Doom and
Magneto (hey, the recent X-Men movie might have upped his profile a bit)...
but would there be anybody else?

(Linking in to the Once and Future King thread, I'd imagine that these
Ethereals would be _very_ hard to kill - permanently. No matter what, they
_always_ come back to save the day. And so too the villains - the bad guy
_always_ gets away to fight another day, no matter how final it seems...)

And... somehow, I can imagine an Ethereal Robin and Lois Lane, too. (Public
image. They _are_ who people tend to associate with Batman and Superman -
part of their 'story', basically. Probably not as defined, but still
there...)

Imran

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Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 08:37:21 +1300
From: "Alex Liddell" <val_arrin@hotmail.com>
Subject: IN> IN Peanuts

Oh God, I created a monster!!!

Somebody write up The Great Pumpkin in the Most Powerful Ethereals 
thread..... it is just waiting for you to do it!

Alex
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:32:39 -0500
From: Elizabeth McCoy <emccoy@nh.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Ofanim of Fire

At 12:17 PM -0500 12/6/00, Whistling in the Dark wrote:

>Here's a vignette on this subject I pulled from my website.[...]

And another one, from R.Sean Borgstrom's...

http://www.cs.jhu.edu/~rsean/gaming/gabriel.html

(Scroll down -- the Ofanite link doesn't seem to be jumping
properly for me.)


- --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos.
"She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which."

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 15:34:04 -0500
From: Whistling in the Dark <in-sabre@annotations.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Ofanim of Fire

At 3:32 PM -0500 12/6/00, Elizabeth McCoy wrote:
>At 12:17 PM -0500 12/6/00, Whistling in the Dark wrote:
>
>>Here's a vignette on this subject I pulled from my website.[...]
>
>And another one, from R.Sean Borgstrom's...
>
>http://www.cs.jhu.edu/~rsean/gaming/gabriel.html

Guh.

Somehow, I'd never happened across this page before.

Wow.
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<http://www.annotations.com/~innomine>
Habbalite of Belaboring the Point

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 21:20:07 -0000
From: "Liam Astley" <esp.horsepie@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Ofanim of Fire

From: "Whistling in the Dark" <in-sabre@annotations.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Ofanim of Fire
>>And another one, from R.Sean Borgstrom's...
>>http://www.cs.jhu.edu/~rsean/gaming/gabriel.html
> Guh.
> Somehow, I'd never happened across this page before.
> Wow.

if you like R Sean Borgstrom's stuff i'd strongly suggest checking out her
fantastic Nobilis game, which shares a lot of themes with IN (namely Heaven
and Hell). the semi-official site's at www.chancel.org - and david
edelstein's done some nifty in nomine/nobilis crossover stuff you can find
at www.amadan.org/nobilis/IN-Nobilis.html


liam

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 16:33:25 -0500
From: Whistling in the Dark <in-sabre@annotations.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Ofanim of Fire

At 9:20 PM +0000 12/6/00, Liam Astley wrote:
>
>if you like R Sean Borgstrom's stuff i'd strongly suggest checking out her
>fantastic Nobilis game, which shares a lot of themes with IN (namely Heaven
>and Hell). the semi-official site's at www.chancel.org - and david
>edelstein's done some nifty in nomine/nobilis crossover stuff you can find
>at www.amadan.org/nobilis/IN-Nobilis.html

Oh I'm fully aware of Nobilis. Utterly aware of Nobilis. In fact, 
Nobilis has about the only chance of taking over my brain as 
completely as In Nomine does, at any given time.

I specced out my own version of a conversion (somewhat different than 
David's) but never got around to typing it up, and I have too many 
irons in the fire to do so now. I'm hoping that 2nd Edition will 
sweep over the Gaming World like the spread of flowers across the 
fields of war....

(And if anyone has an idea where I can play either my Soverign of 
Deception or my Noblis of Illustration, I'd be glad to take them out 
for a ride...)
- -- 
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<http://www.annotations.com/~innomine>
Habbalite of Belaboring the Point

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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 16:02:34 -0600
From: David Edelstein <amadan@amadan.org>
Subject: IN> In Nomine Nobilis

Whistling in the Dark wrote:
> (And if anyone has an idea where I can play either my Soverign of
> Deception or my Noblis of Illustration, I'd be glad to take them out
> for a ride...)


I am thinking of starting an online Nobilis/In Nomine (or maybe just
Nobilis) campaign. If there is any interest, e-mail me. (This is the
only time I'll post this on this list, since like I said, I might end up
using In Nomine elements sparsely if at all.)

- -David

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 21:58:23 -0000
From: "Liam Astley" <esp.horsepie@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Ofanim of Fire

From: "Whistling in the Dark" <in-sabre@annotations.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Ofanim of Fire
> Oh I'm fully aware of Nobilis. Utterly aware of Nobilis. In fact,
> Nobilis has about the only chance of taking over my brain as
> completely as In Nomine does, at any given time.

heheheh. good, good. (rubs hands in universal symbol of evil)

> I'm hoping that 2nd Edition will
> sweep over the Gaming World like the spread of flowers across the
> fields of war....

oo, definitely. part of the reaosn i feel the need to proselytize whenever
the chance comes up...

> (And if anyone has an idea where I can play either my Soverign of
> Deception or my Noblis of Illustration, I'd be glad to take them out
> for a ride...)

well, i am about to start running an online game if you're interested (or
attempting to, anyway)

to bring this vaguely back on-topic, has anyone played a more mythic-level
IN (demigods rather than superheroes, i guess), with all the characters
holding Words, or used david edelstein's In Nomine Nobilis rules?


liam

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:16:00 -0800
From: "Sean McCarthy" <thealien@dangerzone.org>
Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Nobilis

I am definitely interested. I was in the Nobilis2 beta test but my play
group fell apart.  Let me know if there would be a place for me, please...

Sean


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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 14:20:44 -0800
From: "Sean McCarthy" <thealien@dangerzone.org>
Subject: Yes, I blew it. (was: Re: IN> In Nomine Nobilis)

I replied to a message on the list when I should have sent a private reply.
You would think after nine years of this-l and that-l I would have it down
by now, but unfortunately mistakes happen.

My apologies to all of you.

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Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 16:23:01 -0600
From: "Bradley Paranial" <bparanial@hotmail.com>
Subject: IN> Demon(Possibly Demon Prince) of Hate

What band would you make this guy? Would he be a Prince or a Servitor. Got 
some Idea in my head but I could some input if you be kind enough to give 
it.

Bradley Paranial, Elohite of War.
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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 22:32:16 -0000
From: "Liam Astley" <esp.horsepie@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Demon(Possibly Demon Prince) of Hate

From: "Bradley Paranial" <bparanial@hotmail.com>
Subject: IN> Demon(Possibly Demon Prince) of Hate
> What band would you make this guy? Would he be a Prince or a Servitor. Got
> some Idea in my head but I could some input if you be kind enough to give
> it.

i'd go for Fire, though Factions could be an option. if you wanted to make
him a minor Prince i'd say the Word's certainly strong enough


liam

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Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 19:57:42 -0500 (EST)
From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" <pkitty@brainpuke.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Demon(Possibly Demon Prince) of Hate

On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Bradley Paranial wrote:

> What band would you make this guy? Would he be a Prince or a Servitor. Got 
> some Idea in my head but I could some input if you be kind enough to give 
> it.

Minor Prince, definitely... with possibilities for Major!

I'd say he would've originally been a servitor of Malphas... though it's
very hard to imagine Malphas letting anyone get big enough to make
Superior status. Unless he had some hook to control the new Prince....

Band? Calabite, Balseraph, and Shedite come to mind, but I'd have to go
with Habbalite myself. Of course, it all depends on your view of the
Prince. A cackling, hateful Prince is one view, while a calm, composed
Prince who inflicts hate on others passionlessly is another.

- -- 
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								Meow!
If I had a shiny gun, / I could have a world of fun
Speeding bullets through the brains / Of the folk who give me pains;
Or had I some poison gas, / I could make the moments pass
Bumping off a number of / People whom I do not love.
But I have no lethal weapon; / Thus does Fate our pleasure step on!
So they still are quick and well / Who should be, by rights, in hell.
        -- Dorothy Parker, "Frustration"

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