From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Dec 9 09:28:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31172 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:28:21 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id JAA22807 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:29:39 -0600 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:29:39 -0600 Message-Id: <200012091529.JAA22807@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1963 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, December 9 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1963 In this digest: IN> oops IN> Weird Wally Re: IN> Going to Ground -- Report on Aberrant Lilim Behavior Re: IN> A Tether to Fate Re: IN> Neat Pyramid Article, Beth... Re: IN> Going to Ground -- Report on Aberrant Lilim Behavior IN> Re: The Beast Re: IN> Basic Questions IN> The Demon Prince of Corruption part 3 IN> GURPS In-Nomine IN> Can't sleep still: character idea. IN> Re: Can't sleep and whatnot IN> Charlemane Shrine Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine Re: IN> Re: Can't sleep and whatnot IN> An odd notion - would people buy? Re: IN> An odd notion - would people buy? IN> Paper Heroes... Re: IN> Paper Heroes... Re: IN> An odd notion - would people buy? Re: IN> An odd notion - would people buy? IN> In Nomine Evangelion Re: IN> The Demon Prince of Corruption Re: IN> Adventure ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 17:24:40 -0000 From: "nick sands" Subject: IN> oops oops my bad, i thought beast was 'hate', still buzzes my button tho. Nick Sands www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber icq: 60645575 *MAN WAS BORN TO LOVE, THOUGH OFTEN HE HAS SOUGHT, LIKE ICARUS, TO FLY TO HIGH, AND FAR TO LONELY THAN HE OUGHT, TO KISS THE SUN OF EAST AND WEST, AND HOLD THE WORLD AT HIS BEHEST, TO HOLD THE TERRIBLE POWER, TO WHOM ONLY GODS ARE BLESSED, BUT ME… I’M JUST A MAN* _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 17:50:16 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Weird Wally I read this and I was uncertain whether my reaction was "YES!" or "*OW* that hurt", so I guess that means it was both ... Douglas Muir, would you please send me an e-mail copy of this so I don't have to mess with the Digest copy? Janet Anderson (This settles it; I am changing my s*bscr*pt**n to the regular format.) _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 13:43:29 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner-Thornber Subject: Re: IN> Going to Ground -- Report on Aberrant Lilim Behavior > They could continue to accrue skills, but compared to attunements and > songs those are minor. You're right -- I think it's part of the myth > of the Free Lilim. You could (theoretically) become Free or close to > it, but the allure of additional power and prestige continues to > drive you to seek new and more diverse powers. Which is, in fact, why so few Lilim end up as "Bright Lilim," and even those have their little quirks that make them pretty uncomfortable as angels. Geases are a means of control, and control leads to power. Power is addictive. Once you get messed up in the give and take politics of geases and power exchanges, you're hooked. It's addictive, in a way. > There could also be those who "unofficially" work for Princes -- > still perfectly free, but they freelance in ways that promote the > Prince's Word and get rewards based on that. Andrealphus or Nybbas > might be willing to subsidize a 'Free' Lilim. This is the standard modus operandi of Lilim -- especially young Lilim -- who are sitting on their own and trying to make a living. Lilim are professional freelancers who offer their skills up to the highest bidder. And like all good professional freelancers, a vast majority are eventually offered up benefits packages that include health insurance, 401Ks, and stock options that they just can't pass up. Thus my vague estimate, that 70% of all Lilim join a Prince before they hit their first century. > Now, those who go to ground, as per the report, are stuck. No > argument there. Assuming they don't have some kind of training clinic. Ah, but those who go to ground may be very interesting characters indeed. While they have passed up all the power and intrigue of Hell, they have become passive observers on Earth. Imagine the reaction on an Angel's face when the Grigori he has been tracking turns out to be a 2000 year old Lilim who has been tending the same bar in Jerusalem for fifteen hundred years. No heart, no essense spent, and the only tell-tale sign of their nature is their never-aging vessel, these Lilim can easily slip into mankind and simply _watch_. I'm reminded of a very, _very_ bad science fiction book by Poul Anderson called "A Boat of A Million Years" (named, I assume, after the barque of Re', named the same) which featured a few humans who simply did not age. The most interesting was a 3,000 year old Phoenician who had seen a bulk of human history pass before his eyes and he had done nothing but make a profit on it the whole time. Lilith has her own Grigori? Lilith has watchers who see when the time is best for her to insert herself among her true people? Lilith has those who watch to see when the time is ripe for a revolt in Hell? Lilith has watchers who tell her when the War will end, so she can make proper preparations? Or are these simply "true neutrals" in the War who have had enough and walked out the door? - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emily K. Dresner-Thornber -- http://www.nodonut.com/zenith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 14:07:38 -0500 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> A Tether to Fate Douglas Muir wrote: > > This is a Tether that has appeared a couple of times IMC. > > I was thinking about the Djinn one day, you see, and how they're > typically brooding, surly obsessives. And then it occurred to me > that there's one sort of obsessive we're all familiar with... > > This was a big hit with my players; YMMV. This was a big hit with me. :) - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:00:48 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Neat Pyramid Article, Beth... At 10:21 PM -0800 12/7/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >... especially when you combine it with this week's ST >about the Empire State Building.* Oh dear. I need to read Pyramid soon... >*Are you SURE that you don't want it to become canon? >Just think of all the _fun_ we can all have, if it >becomes canon... :) Oh, have fun with it anyway. But it's too complex and I couldn't keep from bouncing up and down and doing, "And what if _this_ works, or what if _that_ works?" several times in it. Too messy for canon. Just right for heresy. O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:03:11 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Going to Ground -- Report on Aberrant Lilim Behavior At 12:11 PM -0500 12/8/00, Whistling in the Dark wrote: [...] >(And one thing -- I allow characters to build their stats up through >training/study/Dragonball Z stuff, and if they get enough for 4 >points, I grant them the new Force 'natively.' So it's possible a >Lilim gone to ground could slowly increase her Forces IMC... but >would she *want* to? More Forces means it's easier to be heard, after >all...) That's the take _my_ Renegade Lil has on it. I bumped her up by 3, and no further, 'cause her resonance and Will are okay, and any more would have her that much louder. She's a paranoid little wench. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 17:46:37 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Re: The Beast > Tremendous work on this one. Thank you very much. > Any chance of some Princely and Arch-Angelic oppinions??? The Archangelic opinions I'm working on now. > When i read it i had a vision of The Beast and Khalid on a battle feild, > khalid broken and bruised on the ground before the beast, and the beast > leaning down and whispering > "you fed me, your word fed mine, you caused me to be and now i will show you > that hate is more potent than faith ever was" > and then a box of fingers and feathers sent to heaven with a little note > saying 'with love, beast'. Oh my that is a VERY good image and one I may have to steal. Thank you. > Is the Beast gonna be put on to a web page? if so can i put a link to it? > Also, to semi raise a dead topic, this guy gets my votes for the most > squicky demon. Unfortunately the Beast as the Demon Prince of Corruption will have to rely on others to get up online as I don't have a webpage though I do consider him one of my better works and hope someone may be considering him for the old In Nomine Collection (Pretty please EDG with cherries on top?). Anyone who wants to post him or use him, please do as always. I appreciate all the feedback I can on this fellow....I actually think some of the attunements could be used for previous princes of corruption...especially Beezlebub. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 23:06:11 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Basic Questions > > 3) Is there a easy way to calculate the range of the disturbance and > > the distance where it is possible to hear it? The one in the basic > > book sounds me to much difficult to use correctly... Yes. It's very simple in my game. As a hate doing the math and because too often the PCs don't hear what they need to hear. I warp time and space and decide that if the players need to hear a particular disturbance, then they do. If their allies or foes need to hear disturbance they've made, they do. Then again, there are so few angels and demons in my game world that, with the only angels in the city being the PCs (except for a handful of others), and so few demons (we have, what, eight in Chicago?), that disturbance doesn't cause too many problems. Also, in my game, all celestials are under orders to operate with a little disturbance to the Symphony as possible. We've had celestials /punished/ for merely causing Disturbance! This makes any and all Disturbances important. - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 20:17:17 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Demon Prince of Corruption part 3 (OCC: These personally are my favorite Superior comments ever, cannon or not. Please feel free to share your thoughts) Archangel Opinions Heaven is aghast at the creation of another Demon Prince of Corruption as many had (foolishly) believed that with the destruction and devastation that Legion had caused, Lucifer had learned better. Memories of the destruction of Raphael and older angel's memories of the hideous war fought between Uriel and Beezlebub for mankind's spirit are causing a terrible rift between those who want to destroy the New Prince now and those who desperately want to find another way. Worse is that the sentiment for bringing about Apocolypse has grown so strong among some angels...even mighty Malakim are considering that the Beast should let be to his power to bring about final victory. Blandine: The dreams of Armageddon, the corruption or destruction of all mankind, and the final victory of evil are dreams that have persisted throughout mankind's history. This Beast is preying on all those fears and causing them on Beleth's side of the Marches to grow stronger with each passing momment of his existence...he needs to be stopped before they forget what dreaming of good feels like. "Pretty Blandine you've never stopped to consider that Beleth was never your lover, your confident, or your friend...she was addicted to your praise and clarity of purpose. Unfortunately you built that on her rock, a rock that has found that very same clarity, and the tables have turned. Join us and I will provide that purpose with dreams that mankind loves...ones you do not acknowledge yet as valid." Christopher: How can one hesitate against the emergence of another Prince in the mantle of the very embodiment of all that we fight against?! Children lose their innocence and fall to Hell as adults because of Corruption. Destroy it! Destroy it now! "How blind he is. Children are held on a lofty pedestal by this pathetic archangel yet I need barely cast my gaze to the earth to see selfishness, relentless torment, and yes...murder. Children are not immune to corruption any more than adults and need not be taught to hate any more than any other adult. When you realize this...weep." David: My memory is long and my understanding of the nature of things is strong. Hell cannot exist...demons cannot exist...without Corruption and thus the appearence of another Prince is merely the sign that they're head needs to be chopped off and the skull crushed anew. I do not fear him. "I pity you David for you are tied so willingly to the stagnation and carved pifitulness of the Great Enemy. Your mighty father has left you weaker than you think, unable to question properly the beliefs that think make you strong....but Stone isn't the strongest of objects...Steel is stronger and other things created in the pits of fire. Your unity is at the price of individuality and a single great evil can slay an entire legion of your mindless drones...the species will be better for it. I shall strike first...and need no more with you." Dominic: The time of final judgement is nearing it's end and the Beast is merely a sign of it. The price of previous engaugements with the Princes of Corruption were worthwhile and by his quest he has already sentenced himself to defeat. Destroy his servitors I command you my servants and I say aid all who plot to do the same to he himself. "Dominic is the ultimate tragedy among the meek, pathetic, and weak. Dominic understands....Dominic KNOWS the truth of the new God but has deliberately surounded himself with the womb of falsehood and stupidity that the other angels do so unknowingly. His black robe hides the face underneath...he is one of us. I will kill him for his treachery." Eli: Creation is perfect and Good...hey I should know after all...however corrupting it makes all the garbage you see on TV, in the air, and in everybody around them. I don't like it and it is cool if you get things back on track catch my drift man? "Creation is incomplete and inherently flawed....from the ashes of the old we will construct a new and better universe. A Symphony which has no place for the inhibited way of Eli....though he may soon comprehend if he sees the grandiose nature of the Master's vision....I wouldn't bet my soul on it." Gabrielle: Cruelty burns within his blackened heart that is an abyss of snuffling void....causing all warmth and heat to be dissolved in it's vacancy. I see terror, madness, chaos, anarchy and a desire for the Light that can only express itself in obliterating it.....yes I understand the Prince of Corruption. Now do you? "Proof the Great Enemy had some trace of his own enlightment....fire is what strengthens us...pain and madness. Go with it Gabrielle and become one with discord. What a beutiful Calabim you will make." Jean: I've run the analyze of all the information I've gathered on the Demon Prince of Corruption called the Beast that I could and the numbers as expected are not encouraging. When Uriel fought Beezelbub and destroyed him, it was not long afterwards that he went mad...perhaps because of the same word conflict between Gabrielle and Belial. When we fought Legion as one Heaven and Hell, it took one of our ancients to cast him down. I fear statiscally...one of the other ancients might need to fall again for him to be defeated...and that is a sacrafice I am not sure I am comfortable with. "The soulessness of logic and your machines is a pretty reward Jean for losing whatever innovation and independance you might have had on your own. The reason Habbalah fall is the fact they have their own emotions long denied released and they seek what a TRUE God would want...and not what the debased Yawhew does....you want your own knowledge I can FEEL it." Janus: The monolith of Hell is rumbling in a way that Asmodeus or Baal couldn't get done but I'll be in and out and we'll see how easy it is to throw a wrench in that soulless cog. "Janus is a fool who thinks he can serve God through our ways. Each momment he falls further to our ideals and drifts to becomming Calabim. Pity I will likely have to crush his skull before he can fully realize the truth....that I understand him better than he understands me." Jordi: If he were content to just corrupt and debase humans. I would let the other Archangels handle him but he is taking control of mortal business and playing with Makatiels powers....these things endanger my word and I vote for his destruction and soon...he will find this Kyrirorite still has his bite. "Revelations speaks of one of the Four Horsemen killing with the Beasts of the Earth. If he stops protecting the weaker animals and preventing them from defending....they will evolve to something that can perhaps survive into the New order as other than debased slaves." Khalid: Lucifer has released the great dragon onto the world that we the Holy forces of Lord Allah must put down as Lord Mikail did so long ago. I will not falter from delivering Allah's divine justice upon him or quiver where my sword is needed to deal with this threat. "Khalid you could have placed your faith above all others in the world if you had only bowed down and worshipped my father. You like the Nazarene will pay for that with your death. I will not even bother showing you how twisted your word is...only to show that Faith is not a pure thing and the Love of my Master will see us through." Laurence: The Book of Revaltions spoke the Great Beast could be identified by the number 666...well then hell was never particularly subte. He is destined to fall on Armageddon after his reign and I am eagerly awiating the return of my savior. "No doubt Kobal told this joke long ago to my Master but I cannot help but look at Laurence and laugh repeatably. Does Laurence not see the extreme irony that causes even the Great Enemy to mock him? His word is his 'Lord's' crucifix inverted, the Prince of Peace's advocate is a man whose sole purpose is war, and his superior was Uriel instead of the Lady Novalis or blandine....truly the humor is golden. The book that speaks of my defeat says the swords shall be beaten into plowsheers, I will take this momment to interpret it as meaning Laurence will soon be pushing up daises." Litheroy: This word returning is a further sign of the Hydra-like aspects of Hell...I calculate that the appearence of Princes of Corruption is directly proportional to the strength of Hell at the time. If we postulate this and use mathmatical variables to interpret word and hell strength...yes! We may solve this mystery yet. "Irrelevant." Marc: Already his servitors are immersing themselves in Big Business and High Finnance. Foodproducts, Biological Research, Weapons, Media divisions and their manufacturers, even companies whose only main point is they are deeply immeshed into politics...this is a coordinated subtle attempt at a hostile takeover of my word and others and it needs to be stopped by methods simpler than kill, kill, kill. "I will summon up my opinion of Marc, it is easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into Heaven....God seems to have forgotton that in his desperate need for cash." Michael: The last Prince of Corruption killed one of my oldest and dearest friends in Heaven....the Prince before that required the full time devotion of one of the few whom approached me in strength to eliminate. This means Armageddon is imminate and I don't like wasting my energy before Baal and Lucifer...but I will make it a point to finish him if I can. "God pardoned Michael for Pride....one wonders if the Madman would do the same if it were today or if it is simply the fact God is so terrified to be without his crutch he did it anyway. Michael honestly believes he could beat the Master, the new God again, this is a grave error and all the strength from War before is now divided with Baal who has grown much stronger than he because The War between Heaven and Hell has become his focus....thus I believe Baal will kill him for Michael feeds his rival with every stroke of his armies. If by some miracle he does not, I intend to rip off his wings immediately afterwards and suffocate the first Seraph by shoving the feathers down his throat." Novalis: Corruption is one of the worst words a demon can bear because it literally MAKES you Corruption. I'm not going to stand by and let another Archangel die just because the War faction are in a tither about their precacious Apcolypse. THAT'S A WORSE CASE SCENARIO. Someone has to stand up for this figue and see the slim chance corruption can be made pure again...and if that falls on me so be it. "Novalis, pretty Novalis, come close to me...I have a secret to whisper to you. Shhhhh...don't tell anyone but...Good is not innate to the human or angelic spirit. Flowers are not things that are innately bright and lovely but drain nutrients from the soil and suck up greedily light just like all other lifeforms...and beuty is all in the eye of the beholder. When you realize these truths that Evil is as much part of the order of things...if more so to people's benefit....I know you will cease caring and become the careless leach on other's affection like all flowers truly are. I look forward to that day." Yves: It begins. "I somewhat fancy Yves to be the first human spirit on my odder days; a creation of the Great Enemy to guide, nuture, parent and otherwise baby his little rugrats to whatever drearily little cartoon existence where candy grows on trees and they depend on your for everything. Eden was enough proof of that. However they grew up and even the angels like Michael and others are beggining to see just how little you do for everyone, how poor and permissive a parent you are. How weak. Let Kronos take your forces and the torch pass from the old generation to the new my friend." Zadkiel: Any war against this Beast will consume lives like kindling even as his minions devour souls with extreme regularity. I intend to protect them from both. "What a pretty little teddy bear to give to the babies at night. One that can protect them too. I think after she realizes we all can fend for ourselves I'll take her for my own...for at least a little while." - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 00:10:00 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: IN> GURPS In-Nomine Well I picked it up, liked it a lot, just got one question. I tried to look at the mechanics, following the URL that was given in the back. However they weren't there. Are they anywhere, or have they been sucked into Limbo? - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 03:29:24 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Can't sleep still: character idea. Forgot about this'un yesterday. - ----- Cosanna Friemon had a powerful future ahead of her. She would have revolutionized tactics and politics, and whether she chose destiny or fate would have determined whether there was a utopian world government or a planet consumed by anarchistic mini-wars. Either way, the militaries of the Earth would never have been the same. Unfortunately, an extreme allergic reaction to a perfume in her laundry detergant cut short her life before she was less than a month old. The true entity known in that incarnation as Cosanna has gone back onto the wheel of reincarnation, and only Yves or Kronos might possibly know if her spectacular fate and destiny have gone with her. Perhaps, perhaps not. However, from her early birth in a poverty-stricken family, to the day she could fight no more, she was a warrior. Or, if you happen to look at it the right way, a soldier. And one who died an untimely, ironic death. The perfect vessel and Role for a Kyriotate of the Sword... Well, the Kyriotate who now has to endure diapers, baby-food*, and eventually toilet-training might not agree. But hey, it's a perfect chance to establish a Role/6, right? So a soldier in the Heavenly Army** does what a soldier's gotta do. At least it doesn't have to _only_ possess that vessel. * (I am told that Gerber Banana baby food is truly vile; I haven't tried it, myself.) ** (Lower-case soldier, not upper-case Soldier who would be a human.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 03:21:22 EST From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: IN> Re: Can't sleep and whatnot <> Okay, one question. A standard full-grown human vessel locks up 5 of your Forces. How many Forces would an infant Vessel lock up? I can only assume that additional Forces will automatically be locked up as the Vessel grows in size. Reverend Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 08:28:49 -0000 From: "nick sands" Subject: IN> Charlemane Shrine Hiya all, i've put the 'Beast' on to my website. take a gander. www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber/charl.html Nick Sands www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber icq: 60645575 *MAN WAS BORN TO LOVE, THOUGH OFTEN HE HAS SOUGHT, LIKE ICARUS, TO FLY TO HIGH, AND FAR TO LONELY THAN HE OUGHT, TO KISS THE SUN OF EAST AND WEST, AND HOLD THE WORLD AT HIS BEHEST, TO HOLD THE TERRIBLE POWER, TO WHOM ONLY GODS ARE BLESSED, BUT ME… I’M JUST A MAN* _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 03:54:57 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine At 12:10 AM -0700 12/9/00, Tim Groth wrote: >Well I picked it up, liked it a lot, just got one question. I tried >to look at the mechanics, following the URL that was given in the >back. However they weren't there. Are they anywhere, or have they >been sucked into Limbo? They're on ze spouse's computer, because he wanted to tidy them up a little, and Life has been hitting us a bit. I'll harass him about it over the weekend. (The mechanics are really just point-cost breakdowns; stuff like, "Symphonic Influence, limited effect X, -20%, enhanced effect Y, +10%, total Z." Total gearhead stuff that Leonardo Holsh went through and calculated carefully for the original manuscript (NIGHTMARE!) and the revised one. This is why he holds Distinctions on the front page.) Glad that you like it! Feel free to send me (and Walter) flattery and praise in private email if you want to enthuse! I'll take it out occasionally and purr about it on gray, dreary days. Or at nearly four in the morning when I can't sleep. O:> - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 03:58:12 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: Can't sleep and whatnot At 3:21 AM -0500 12/9/00, BillionSix@aol.com wrote: >< >Okay, one question. A standard full-grown human vessel locks up 5 of your >Forces. How many Forces would an infant Vessel lock up? I can only assume that >additional Forces will automatically be locked up as the Vessel grows in size. Good question. I could see a GM playing it both ways. Oh, frotz, I forgot -- that's not nec. a canon character. A GM could easily go "hahahah, no" at it. It's just a _neat_ character. Anyway, I could see it both ways. If the GM did start with the assumption that a baby vessel like that is really 3 Forces (with the attributes bought way down, even!), then certainly the additional Forces would "lock in" at appropriate times. I'd probably lock in five Forces just to start with, to save on bookkeeping, meself. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 03:59:10 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> An odd notion - would people buy? Okay, so I'm writing this at two-fortyfive in the blessed morning because I got the idea and I can't get back to sleep, so I hauled myself and the sleeping baby into the computer room. (She sleeps nights, mostly. _I_ don't.) There's a poll on Pyramid about whether or not people would buy an In Nomine coloring book. Go s u b scribe and skew the results. O:> (It's late, I can pimp the idea like this.) Alas, as of 881 respondants, over half are totally uninterested. Clearly they cannot see the potential for taking the purty art and using the exacto-blade to get a print. Ah, well. But that got me wondering. One thing I've heard people wanting was Cardboard Heroes. However, that might not help folk who don't play IN, so the market is kinda low. But what about _Paper_ Heroes? Okay, bear in mind that I'm speaking as a fan here, because I have pretty much no say in auxillary (I know that's misspelled, it's 3 in the blessed morning, gimme a break here) items like coloring books and whatnot. But Andrew haunts these boards, so who knows. Picture this: A sheet (or PDF/JPG/GIF file) of black-and-white renditions of celestial forms. _Only_ celestial forms. They're in the standard cardboard heroes "teepee" form. What you do is color them, cut them out, and _drop them over your existing mini/cardboard hero/stratego piece/ whatever_. Presto! Instant celestial form designator if you happen to be playing IN with minis. For Kyriotates (and Shedim), you could also have "possession" paper markers -- either in a double-wide upside-down U form, or in a horizontal form that could slip inside a Cardboard Hero which was in a stand (thus pinched together). The sides of the Kyrio could show and have a pair of hands with strings running from the fingers in the direction of the mini/CH's limbs. Voila! Instant "I am possessing this" designator. And the cool thing is that, since these aren't _primary_ minis (and in the case of the "slip through existing CH" Kyrio/Shedite, need to be thin anyway), they can be printed out on ordinary paper. So all one would need is an artist who can do stuff that looks good that small. If I weren't laden down with a sleeping baby, I might start drawing something in Painter, just to try. Ah, well. At least I have poured out this idea. Now maybe I can sleep. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 01:57:14 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> An odd notion - would people buy? For the love of god Beth you need to get some sleep. I thought I was having troubles. Anyway I thought the coloring book was a good idea. I would get it for little kids, to get em hooked early. As for the paper heroes, I'm not so sure. - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 04:30:48 EST From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: IN> Paper Heroes... <> Interesting.... Why don't you try and cut a deal with S. John Ross and have him make some In Nomine Sparks? (http://www.io.com/~sjohn/sparks.htm) I'd buy 'em. Reverend Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 04:56:03 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Paper Heroes... At 4:30 AM -0500 12/9/00, BillionSix@aol.com wrote: >Why don't you try and cut a deal with S. John Ross and have him make some In Nomine Sparks? >(http://www.io.com/~sjohn/sparks.htm) >I'd buy 'em. Well, besides that In Nomine Choir/Band descriptions are probably trademarked and I don't have any power to authorize that sort of a partnership.....? O:> (Yes, it's nearly 5am and I've been up since two-thirty...) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 04:05:50 -0600 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> An odd notion - would people buy? At 3:59 AM -0500 12/09/00, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > [In Nomine: 'Paper' Heroes] You know, I was just thinking about this today. Though I admit I was thinking more along the lines of Cardboard Heroes, but you get the idea. I'm all for this (even if Pyramid has rejected In Nomine related items _twice_), but I'm also a very biased subscriber on this forum. (Sold my soul to In Nomine? Er. . . Uhmn. . . Maybe?) (Slighty-OT: I'm feeling depressed now. I went to see a movie, and the girl in the booth correctly guessed I wanted one ticket for D&D. . . Without opening my mouth first. I've cleary got Gamer-Aura/6!!!) Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur # http://www.thrifty.net/~tafkaj/in-nomine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 11:22:46 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> An odd notion - would people buy? No. But would be much more likely to buy plush toys of celestial forms. I like my cuddly cthulhu, and everyone who has seen it has expressed an interest in getting one. jo _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:29:02 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> In Nomine Evangelion - --Original Message-- Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 23:31:52 -0500 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: IN> Me head hurt. > > Dunno if this has ever been brought up before, and it likely >has, but I just came back from Anime Club and my head is STILL >all !@#$ed up. Anyway: > > In Nomine Evangelion. Discuss. O_O You know, that title really DOES work... ^^ The thing is, Evangelion doesn't really fit into In Nomine as it is. The "Angels" of Evangelion are more like Call of Cthulhu Mythos creatures, what with their non-euclidian biology, their active hatred of "Human insects" and the fact everyone eventually loses their sanity while fighting them. That having been said, I've been wondering how to use NERV and it's characters inside an In Nomine setting... The best I could think of was making the Children Children of the Grigori, recruited into an organisation originally intended to assure Humanity's protection from both sides of The War. Of course, Lillith, with her own agenda, long ago tricked some other Princes into helping her assume control of NERV, using a Shedite of Technology to corrupt Gendou Ikari, turning him into a Hellsworn soldier, working towards Lillith's great plan of the "Instrumentality of Man", which will convert all Humanity into raw Essence which she will then absorb into herself, hopefully making her greater then Lucifer or enev God himself... Meanwhile, the Eva Pilots would be sent out to hunt down and kill Angels, which the Evas would let them see in their real forms, to destroy them under the impression that they're actually evil aliens, and not the Heavenly guardians they really are. Could the angels find a way to earn the trust of Misato Katsuragi and the Eva pilots, and find out the truth of Lillith's plans? - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 10:43:46 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> The Demon Prince of Corruption At 7:44 PM -0500 12/7/00, Charles Phipps wrote: >Balseraphs > >Balseraphs of the Beast are granted a extremely disturbing ability to use >their attunement on more than one person at a time. For every force that >the Balseraph posseses he may use his resonance on an additional subject, >though he still has to overcome his will to convince him of the rightness of >his cause. Psst. Balseraphs can already, in non-combat situations, use their resonance on check-digit number of targets. It's only in combat that they are restricted to one subject. >Djinn (Look like Djinn of Theft...100000000 se, Exci Excuse the baby on the keyboard please.)0 >Shedim > >Shedim of Corruption possess a most disturbing ability that they can possess >permanently the body of any mortal that has fufilled their Fate and "toss" >the mortals soul out directly to Hell. NIfty! b >A Captain of the Darkness can remove with a touch a person's feelings of >concience, remorse, and guilt for as long as they will it. The Captain or the person in question? O:> >Baron of Armageddon > >A demon who achieves Baronial rank in the forces of the Beast are gifted >with the "Mark of the Beast" which gives them the power to compell all >lesser demons or Hellsworn about them with a sucessful resisted resonance >check. Why a resonance roll and not a Will roll? To disable such a Baron who gets a backlash on resonance such that it is "burned out"? (I think a failed resonance attempt with a CD of 6 takes out most demons as well as angels... O:/ ) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 10:43:48 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Adventure At 9:00 PM -0500 12/7/00, William J. Keith wrote: >PLAYERS: Bear in mind, the text below pretty much explains everything about >the adventure. If you think you'd be interested in exploring a peculiar >case of identity, point your GM to this post. You know, that would be an amusing thing to do with a player or three (or eight, yeah, yeah) who didn't _know_ about IN very much, but wanted to play and didn't want to do the "human becoming aware of the War" path. Either run all the players as these critters (if everyone's new to IN) or have some of them as part of the group (the rest of the Born Eight are off doing Good Works elsewhere, clearly) while the rest of the PCs are more normal. Hee hee hee. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1963 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.