From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Dec 10 23:52:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06954 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:52:24 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id XAA27168 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:54:28 -0600 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:54:28 -0600 Message-Id: <200012110554.XAA27168@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1965 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, December 10 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1965 In this digest: Re: IN> LIL1: Andrealphus Re: IN> Weird question IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1964 Re: IN> LIL1: Andrealphus Re: IN> I'm ba-ack... 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Re: IN> Bad joke ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 14:11:12 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> LIL1: Andrealphus At 6:44 AM -0800 12/10/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >(channeling Novalis) > >Oh, dear. > >(/channeling Novalis) > >Geez, Eric, did Andre run over your dog or something? >It's great stuff, but cruel, cruel, cruel. :) (channeling Andrealphus) It's *clearly* repression. Terrible, that -- don't you think? (/channeling Andrealphus) >Seriously, this has real possibilities. One assumes >that Andre has told Lilith all about his >'understanding' with Novalis, which should have some >interesting consequences. One assumes, yes. >If Lilith's foolish, she'll immediately broadcast the fact, thus >getting Novalis in all sorts of trouble ... but you can live past >trouble, and is it really worth Novalis handing over her lists of >Lust's Servitors and Tethers to the Inquisition (Dominic would >insist. Dominic would insist STRONGLY. Novalis might even be >pi**ed off enough to not mind much)? Lilith is *not* foolish. This should be a given. >A smart Lilith would try to make this into some kind >of Geas. _That's_ a meeting I'd like to see, from a >safe distance. The moon sounds about right.* All of which assumes, naturally, that Lilith doesn't have plans for the 'understanding,' or that it doesn't naturally fit her plans all by itself. >*Knowing Novalis and her dedication to peace and >reaching out to Hell, the only reason I can see that >she hasn't already been blackmailed several times over >is that attempting to do so is one of the very few >things that's on the Things That Push My Buttons List. > >Well, I'm sure that one could come up with other >reasons, but I like this one anyway. :) I think my reason would be blackmailing her doesn't work. "If you don't do as I say -- we'll reveal all about this meeting" leads to Novalis sighing slightly and saying "well, if you must, please do so quickly. Hold on -- I have the local Judgement tether on speed dial." Novalis has one huge thing in common with Michael. She always acts rightly, at least from her perspective, and she is convinced her path is the correct one. It's very hard to blackmail someone like that, because they're willing to announce their 'scurrilous' actions to the world. I'm sure Novalis is being as quiet as she is to save *Andrealphus's* face. I'm equally sure Judgement's files are full of reprimands and even a few judgements. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 14:19:30 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Weird question At 8:37 AM -0800 12/10/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >Here's a question, do any of the Demon Princes >actually _like_ each other? I think Nybbas and Andrealphus like each other. They're both Impudites, and while they feel competative, they also *understand.* Djinn, of course, don't like anyone. But if they did, they'd like other Djinn. So Asmodeus and Beleth, while not getting along, likely appreciate one another in an abstract sense. Haagenti actively likes Kobal. I don't claim it's (necessarily) reciprocated. Valefor and perhaps Andrealphus like Lilith. Lilith enjoys both of them. Baal and Belial have an understanding, and can sit and talk, sometimes. Or so it seems to me. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:33:21 -0000 From: "nick sands" Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1964 Mwahahaha one of my lots found the list at last. >Hi all, i'm new to the list and i've only been playing IN for a couple of >months, my gm pointed me in the direction of the list so here i am. >Ooooh and i bring gifts too.. jellybabies to bribe the ST? hmm, any one know of a demon of bribes???? >=Jeans Secret Project= >Bio-Chemical Judgement +much Snippage+ Sweet, yuo can run that for defiante in a couple of weeks hun. >Cassandra B > >'logic just allows you to be wrong with authority' >Dr Who (the 2nd one) Nick Sands www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber icq: 60645575 *MAN WAS BORN TO LOVE, THOUGH OFTEN HE HAS SOUGHT, LIKE ICARUS, TO FLY TO HIGH, AND FAR TO LONELY THAN HE OUGHT, TO KISS THE SUN OF EAST AND WEST, AND HOLD THE WORLD AT HIS BEHEST, TO HOLD THE TERRIBLE POWER, TO WHOM ONLY GODS ARE BLESSED, BUT ME… I’M JUST A MAN* _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:25:56 -0000 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: Re: IN> LIL1: Andrealphus >>*Knowing Novalis and her dedication to peace and >>reaching out to Hell, the only reason I can see that >>she hasn't already been blackmailed several times over >>is that attempting to do so is one of the very few >>things that's on the Things That Push My Buttons List. >>Well, I'm sure that one could come up with other >>reasons, but I like this one anyway. :) > >I think my reason would be blackmailing her doesn't work. "If you >don't do as I say -- we'll reveal all about this meeting" leads to >Novalis sighing slightly and saying "well, if you must, please do so >quickly. Hold on -- I have the local Judgement tether on speed dial." > >Novalis has one huge thing in common with Michael. She always acts >rightly, at least from her perspective, and she is convinced her path >is the correct one. It's very hard to blackmail someone like that, >because they're willing to announce their 'scurrilous' actions to the >world. I'm sure Novalis is being as quiet as she is to save >*Andrealphus's* face. I'm equally sure Judgement's files are full of >reprimands and even a few judgements. >Eric Alfred Burns - I'd agree on this one. Novalis is sure with the absolute certainty of the drive upwards of a hundred-meter Florida redwood's roots that she is doing the Right Thing. However, if this gets out, Andrealphus is in deep trouble and the entire work is trashed. Ergo, it should not get out. Simply practical. Genevieve Cogman ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 11:40:50 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> I'm ba-ack... Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 02:55:58 -0400From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> I'm ba-ack... (Haagenti) Mmmmm... feedback. (/Haagenti) >>Songs: >Couple of points here. Ethereal Ecstasy (makes >people joyful) seems at least as appropriate than >Corporeal Ecstasy (makes sensations pleasurable). >I would think she'd have both. Good point. I'll probably have to switch and reduce (she's already over my point-budget rules of thumb, which tend to be fairly generous for Word-bound anyway), but an point in Ethereal Song of Ecstasy wouldn't be _too_ bad. >Ethereal Solace would help with those who're having >problems accepting their sexuality; the songs of >Opening and Empathy would help with her >therapeutic efforts generally. Maybe Ethereal >Attraction for the tough cases. Maybe one or two of the above, if I can mine for points. >And Revulsion for the irredeemably wicked... out >someone as a pedophile *and* hit them with Celestial >Revulsion, then step back. Gabriel hands out rites >for that sort of thing. _Nasty_. I like. >I would have expected Corporeal Form, and at a fairly >high level; yah, she always looks good, but kinky sex >isn't just about looking good generally... Ummm... Celestial Form is the one that changes the body shape. Corporeal Form is the one that gives you inherent armor. I was working on the assumption that most of the time she'd need the former more than the latter for her work... >Oh, and Numinous Corpus. A road I won't go down. The concept is silly enough as is. :) >>Malakite of War, >Malakite of War? That one's harder to figure than >the Lightning attunement. Hey, she's gotta have some advance warning when Andre's going to pop on by... >>anyone whose idea of a good time doesn't involve >>consenting, sentient adults is not long for this >>world. The angel _is_ a Malakite, after all. >One assumes that she'd use her resonance first? >Just because my deepest sick desire is to roll around >in a pile of Mercedes Lackey manuscripts with the >Hanson brothers doesn't mean I'm necessarily evil; I >may not know it, or -- hey! -- I may know it, yet be >valiantly resisting every day of my life. Yes, she'd use her resonance first, and yes, that is a sick desire. :) The fact that the subject won't do it (at least, won't until the Hanson brothers are legal) would keep said subject alive. >Consider her using her attunement on the protagonist >of the movie "Happiness", and then on Kevin Spacey's >character in "American Beauty". >IMO the first one probably dies, but quickly and >cleanly, while the second one... well, he's lusting >after (and clumsily pursuing) a 17 year old, but >OTOH he's basically a good person; what outcome? As written, the person dies. Cultures where the legal definition of 'consenting adult' varies might be a different story. Or not. Kandiel has her own standards, and they don't always match up with the local legal code. >>Those unfortunates that do not are instead hammered >>with guilt for the same amount of time, to the point >>that they must make Will Rolls once an hour or else >>attempt to commit suicide. >That seems extreme; she'd be going through demons of >Lust like a weed whacker. Maybe demons add Corp >Forces to their rolls, or some such? She's supposed to, but I can see your point. I should tone that down. Slightly. :) >>Rites: >>: Help someone learn to accept that their particular >>tastes don't necessarily make them a bad person. >>(+2>Essence) >See, this ties into my personal theory that Malakim >are actually closer to Mercurians than to any other >choir. No argument from me. >-- What are her oaths, anyway? D'OH! >Song of Enslavement, baby. This is exactly what it >exists for: to keep Heaven from poaching on Andre's >turf in this manner. One Princely kiss and, absent >Superior intervention, she's on the fast track to >life as a scrambled mass of Discord. But maybe he's >saving her for the right occasion. Well, this isn't precisely a serious writeup (if it were serious, she'd have the Word of Alternate Sexuality and work for Stone), so I'm taking liberties with Andre's response. Use the 'save for right occasion' option for more serious campaigns, though, by all means. Thanks for the analysis. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 16:29:33 -0500 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: Weird Question > I think Nybbas and Vapula enjoy each others company, appreciate the > work of the other and realize that there is almost no scenario in > which the other is destroyed that benefits them. I think I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. Nybbas used to be a little minion of the Big V before he got a break inventing television. And Vapula is a megolomaniac, right? I think if Vapula had his way, Nybbas would still be licking his boots clean. Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 14:40:10 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Re: Weird Question >I think I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. Nybbas >used to be a little minion of the Big V before he got a break >inventing television. And Vapula is a megolomaniac, right? I think >if Vapula had his way, Nybbas would still be licking his boots clean. Their opinions of each other from the Superiors books don't support this much. Also Vapula is a bit self important, but he's appreciates the work of his demons. He wants researchers not people who just toady to him. That last bit is my opinion, but he does seem more concerned with his vision than his personal glorification. Which means as long as Nybbas is part of the solution Vapula likes him. - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:17:27 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> With Humble Apologies to Charles Dickens................... >Jacob Marley: Dammed Soul that managed to escape Hell and become a >Dreamshade. (Or Maybe temporalily sprung by Yves with this in mind.) Servitor of Destiny with Corporeal Song of Form, some well-done research into Scrooge's past life, and a taste for psychological warfare. - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:03:28 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Re: Weird Question At 4:29 PM -0500 12/10/00, Jonathan Walton wrote: >I think I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. Nybbas >used to be a little minion of the Big V before he got a break >inventing television. And Vapula is a megolomaniac, right? I think >if Vapula had his way, Nybbas would still be licking his boots clean. Superiors 2 and Superiors 4 both go into the Nybbas/Vapula relationship at some length. Suffice it to say, Vapula's somewhat disappointed Nybbas ended his researching career, but has some pride for the tike, and Nybbas still feels kinship with the old man, but has his own agenda. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:47:44 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Ril, Demon Prince of Ignorance Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 12:46:35 -0700From: Tim Groth Subject: IN> Ril, Demon Prince of Ignorance >I had this idea while trying to fall asleep last >night. Suffer insomnia more often. :) >One day Lucifer was strolling about Hell, and he came >upon a Shedite sitting quietly in the Wastes beyond >Hades. Lucifer stood there looking at the Shedite >and the Shedite sat there looking at Lucifer. >Finally the Shedite spoke, "Who are you?" OK, this is the official point where I started liking this writeup. Two (minor) notes: 1) I noticed that no Lilim work for Ril. This intentional? I could see Lilith not wanting any of her Daughters working for this one, actually, but if so you may want to just mention that; 2) Cecil Adams? The name isn't tripping my memory wires. Minor nitpicks, the both of them. I liked this writeup. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:45:10 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> New to list Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 16:16:26 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> New to list >Hi all, i'm new to the list and i've only been >playing IN for a couple of months, my gm pointed me >in the direction of the list so here i am. >Ooooh and i bring gifts too.. >=Jeans Secret Project= >Bio-Chemical Judgement >Jean, whilst a studious archangel can often be out >done by one of his angels. And when that happens the >angel often disapears never to be seen again, or >for a very looooooong time. Ahh. Dark IN. I like reading Dark IN stuff*. Interesting take on Jean. Welcome aboard, BTW. Regular offerings to the dread god List Resources always appreciated. ;) Moe *So why, do you ask, don't I ever write any? Because I don't like _writing_ Dark IN material, just _reading_ it, and there's enough of you out there producing Dark Servitors/Superiors/scenarios to keep (to use King's metaphor) the alligators at the bottom of my brain appeased. :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:51:23 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> One of the most powerful Ethereals... - --- Rolland Therrien wrote: > Now, if someone could please handle those Princes of Greed and Media > so this > friendly Loa could continue his rounds without fear of his image > getting > corrupted further, things would work a lot better... Santa a Loa? Not bloody likely. The Loa are drawn from the beliefs of Afro-Caribbean animism, while Santa Claus and all of his various aspects come from strictly European paradigms. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:06:39 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Weird question Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:11 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Weird question >DPs are optimists, at least in some ways, or they >wouldn't carry on - they'd just join the queue of >candidates for Demon Prince of Depression. >They don't really believe that the Host can defeat >them. But they do know that Lucifer can take their >Words away and/or set the other DPs on them or stomp >them like bugs, as it's informally known). > >So if a DP is believed to be out of favour with the >Big L, they might let him get killed. But they'd have >to be quite confident about that, because if Big L is >not happy about this, he may well be *very* unhappy. > >So they all work quite hard on staying in favour, >within their limitations. And they know that if >someone appears to be out of favour, it might be a >trick, since they're dealing with some of the most >devious and paranoid minds in the universe. So they >are *really* careful on this kind of thing. Very good point. It's still a h*ll of a way (pardon the pun) to run a railroad. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:58:29 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... - --- Whistling in the Dark wrote: > So if Santa is one of the most powerful Ethereals -- who're the > others? For the moment mostly ignoring the traditional/Mythic/Fae > Ethereals. Of the modern Ethereals, who's top Dreamshade? I vote for Uncle Sam. Between the recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in grade schools, the playing of the Natinal Anthem on military bases (even in the base theatre before the previews -- as an Air Force brat, I know this) and an annual worship Rite in which over _250 million_ people participate, this guy would be rolling in Essence. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:02:50 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... - --- Prodigal wrote: > > The One Good Man: Ever since the advent of film noir, especially, The One > Good Man has drawn Essence from the dreams of those who believe that > someone, somewhere, is willing to take a stand against the darkness > and corruption that surrounds him. I liked this one a lot! Kudos to you, Prodigal. The saddest thing about this spirit (IMHO) is his slow fading as Western society slides deeper into it fascination with amoral anti-heroes. The One Good Man may be among the most powerful Ethereals for now, but who knows how much longer that will last? ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:12:15 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> relic question - --- -=|horsefly|=- wrote: how many points would it cost to integrate the Seraphim resonance--more precisely, the Seraphim disonnace condition--into a relic? No need. Check the Liber Canticorum -- the Corporeal Song of Truth fits the bill perfectly. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:12:32 -0500 From: "Richard Stokes" Subject: IN> limited edition I have a limited edition In Nomine Hard Back (white). I am wondering where I could sell it and how much I should ask. Also, does anyone know how many copies were made? I tried emailing SJG over a month ago but have received no reply. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:47:36 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal Super Heroes I can see the Ethereal supers (I won't use the other term -- there's that trademark problem) manifesting as archetypes rather than as individuals. Thus, you'd have the Masked Avenger (Batman, Daredevil), the Penitent (Confessor, Luke Cage), the Outcast (the X-men), the Jester (Spiderman, Static), etc. The premiere archetype would of course be the Paragon, the original superhuman exemplified by Superman and Wonder Woman. The familiar heroes would simply be aspects of these archetypes. Naturally, the villains would have their own archetypes; the Mastermind (Lex Luthor, the Penguin), the Conqueror (Magneto, Kang) and the Corrupter (Shadow King, the White Rabbit) only scratch the surface. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:50:24 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Demon(Possibly Demon Prince) of Hate - --- Bradley Paranial wrote: > What band would you make this guy? Would he be a Prince or a > Servitor? I'm thinking a powerful (at least Knight, probably Baron) Haballah IST Factions. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:59:46 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Ril, Demon Prince of Ignorance >Suffer insomnia more often. :) Its finals season, which inspires lots of insomnia. Hopefully it'll be productive insomnia. >OK, this is the official point where I started liking >this writeup. Thanks. >1) I noticed that no Lilim work for Ril. This >intentional? I could see Lilith not wanting any of >her Daughters working for this one, actually, but if >so you may want to just mention that; It slipped my mind to write an attunement for them/explain the lack of them (the problem with having 4 hours of sleep only). This will be explained however. In the initial rush of Servitors attaching themselves to the new Prince no Lilim came. Most think that Mommie is holding their leashes pretty tight. Although Lilith has made no official statement, and the Servitor of Nybbas that tried to get one was politely declined comment and when he persisted was turned to dust. So far no Lilim have made the move to go serve Ril, and Ril has not gone about soliciting their service. However he does have an attunement waiting for them. Some of those that are distinguishing themselves in Ril's Service have the attunement already. Lilim of Ignorance Daughters serving Ignorance can tell how wide the gap is between a person's knowledge and the knowledge they believe they have with a glance. So if they look at someone who thinks they have Biology/6 but actually had Biology/2 the Lilim would read a deficit of 4 in Biology. The deficit is a bonus to resonance rolls on that person (this is not restricted, it can improve any resonance). >2) Cecil Adams? The name isn't tripping my memory >wires. www.straightdope.com - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:58:56 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN>Pagan Mummies - --- Adam Benedict Canning wrote: > Can't one just send the Angel of the Chariot down to Transubstansiate > them. > > He's got no trouble taking up living humans. Even those that haven't > yet met thier destiny. In this case, that's "translate" rather than "transubstantiate." Either way, I suppose that the answer is yes... but the Undead would still disband upon reaching the Celestial plane. At least, that's what I suspect the canonical answer would be. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:02:13 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... - --- Marcus Evenstar wrote: > I thought I'd add something to this discussion of Elvis as the Fisher > King. > As I understand it, his family names are derived from Americanized > Welsh; > Elvis means "of the Elves" while Presley is "(lives) under the hill." > IIRC, > this could mean he's Teleasin (sp?) Taliesin, if memory serves. But casting Elvis' mother as Keridwyn (sp?) seems _wrong_ somehow. O:> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:05:09 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> DC angels - --- Bevan Thomas wrote: > The Spectre actually is an angel in In Nomine That makes Rama Kushna a really powerful Ethereal and Deadman an Undead Pagan Soldier. };;;> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 04:05 +0000 From: Kay Dekker Subject: IN> Bad joke OK, my apologies in advance. My InN group have been pressing me to post the joke. Blame them, not me. A guy died, and went before the Recording Angel. The Angel consulted the Book of Life, and sighed: "Another one; not good enough for Heaven, not bad enough for Hell. _You_ have to decide where you'll spend Eternity." The man considered this, then said "We only get rumours of these places on Earth - have you any tourist brochures, so that I can see what they're really like?" The Angel obligingly produced them, and, after a little consideration, the man said that he'd prefer Hell. This surprised the Angel, who said that most people liked Heaven better. "Ah," said the man, "but, you see, on Earth I was a keen sportsman, and Hell has by far the better recreation facilities; so, Hell it is." "But we have superlative sports in Heaven!" exclaimed the Angel. "Golf, cricket, croquet, skydiving - we do that all the time - and people particularly enjoy our Ocean of Love. Thousands of miles of golden beaches, and oh! the endless rolling breakers!" "Sure," admitted the man, "but I like mountaineering more, and Hell has pinnacles of razor-sharp basalt; vast ice-cliffs; unscaleable mountains - so there's better terrain in Hell than surf in Heaven!" Kay, fulfilling the Geas, and preparing to go Renegade. - -- "Caesar, the Zeta Reticulans having been repelled, fortified the spaceport with walls and ditches." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:32:24 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Going to Ground -- Report on Aberrant Lilim Behavior This was stupendous, Emily. My hat is off. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:17:46 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Seed Last bit for the night, I think: must get sleep. :) Moe This seed works best if the PCs are angels, although agents of the Game might actually have the same motivations, for once. It also presumes a large city with a crime problem. Set off a few disturbances, coupled with the inherently slimy victims, over the course of a few adventures before you bring things to a head. The players are attempting to recruit a couple of potential Soldiers (mid-level police officers in the area). They've just gotten to the "yes, there is a Heaven and a Hell, and we're not from around here" stage, but not yet to the full recruitment part. However, there's a snag (so what else is new?). It seems that there's been a rash of homicides lately. The victims are turning up, all burned and bloody, with a page from a Bible pinned to their chest, if you can call a bowie knife a 'pin'. There's also been a odd letter or two sent to the police department, raving on and on about how abusers of the flesh of others must pay, amid the usual apocalyptic ramblings. The twist is, almost every victim found so far was suspected or convicted of sexual assault, at one time or another (and it turns out that the ones that weren't had some very interesting circumstantial evidence in their dwellings). The cops aren't precisely dragging their feet on this one, but until somebody innocent actually gets killed, they aren't about to start panicking over a serial killer that only targets rapists. Neither would the PCs, normally. Now, they haven't heard anything about new Malakim or Elohim being in town, but you know how the old-timers can be sometimes. Unfortunately, the potential Soldiers have put two and two together, and come up with "maybe these guys aren't so innocuous, after all". That may be very sensible of them, but the PCs Superiors (or just higher-ups) need these recruits fairly badly. That means that Heaven has to get this situation under control - and, after all, whoever-it-is _is_ going a bit over the top. The PCs will have to go find this angel and convince him/her/it to stop - or at least tone it down and take better care of the bodies. Alas, they're looking in the wrong place. Despite what you might think, Andrealphus doesn't always approve of rape. It's fine as an appetizer, but when you get too many of them in one place, well, people (especially young, attractive women) tend to stay home and not indulge in casual sex with strangers. The situation in the target city has really gotten out of hand, so he's sent up Griselda, one of his Calabite Knights, to thin the herd a bit. Andre's even feeling virtuous about the whole thing: after all, isn't he making the streets safer? Griselda has a lot of discretion on how to handle this, and she's picked ritual killing. Servitors of Lust are very good at picking out sexual predators (they know their own), and getting one to follow her into an alleyway is ludicrously easy. There (after indulging in a Rite or two) she attacks, kills them with her Fiery Sword relic, pins a page randomly torn from a Bible onto their chest and goes about her merry way. Griselda's vessel is specially designed to not leave any forensic evidence, and she can always claim to other demons that her actions are a subtle plot against Heaven, so she's actually pretty well covered here. Any angels that may unknowingly encounter her will get her best "I'm really a Renegade, trying to serve God as best I know" impression until she can Run Away. Any angels that figure out that it's a demonic plot (the letters might give a clue or two, especially if resonated) and confront her will probably get the same ploy tried on them. If that doesn't work, Griselda may even just level with them and try to trade her life for half an hour's head start - the mission was pretty much winding down, anyway. As it is, she can go back to her boss with a big "All done, Beautiful Prince", get her reward, and keep her pretty mouth firmly shut about the fact that angels blew her cover. Meanwhile, the PCs can stop the serial killings without lifting a finger, take their rewards, and likewise keep _their_ mouths shut about the fact that they let a demon get away. All well and good, but don't let your prospective new Soldiers find out about the deal, OK? They're already cynical enough about the War as it is, and they haven't even joined up yet... ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:23:10 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> I'm ba-ack... >Mmmmm... feedback. Give that you may receive, we are told. >I'll probably have to switch and reduce >(she's already over my point-budget rules of thumb, >which tend to be fairly generous for Word-bound >anyway), but an point in Ethereal Song of Ecstasy >wouldn't be _too_ bad. You point-budget your NPCs? For why? >>And Revulsion for the irredeemably wicked... out >>someone as a pedophile *and* hit them with Celestial >>Revulsion, then step back. Gabriel hands out rites >>for that sort of thing. > >_Nasty_. I like. Why should demons get all the fun? I could also see some interesting applications of the Song of Virtue. Remember, you get to pick which virtue you're looking for... >>I would have expected Corporeal Form, and at a fairly >>high level; yah, she always looks good, but kinky sex >>isn't just about looking good generally... > >Ummm... Celestial Form is the one that changes the >body shape. Corporeal Form is the one that gives you >inherent armor. [thumps forehead] Right, right. My bad. >>Kevin Spacey's >>character in "American Beauty"... well, he's lusting >>after (and clumsily pursuing) a 17 year old, but >>OTOH he's basically a good person; what outcome? > >As written, the person dies. Cultures where the legal >definition of 'consenting adult' varies might be a >different story. Or not. Kandiel has her own >standards, and they don't always match up with the >local legal code. But if someone's _struggling_ with that Bad Desire... Actually, this Word can lead down some very dark and strange pathways. I desperately wand, maybe even *need*, to do X, but my spouse will never agree to it. Betray, or take the honorable path and suffer? A normal Mal would say "suffer" without a moment's thought, but this one's Word might encourage her to take me on that magic carpet ride... >Well, this isn't precisely a serious writeup (if it >were serious, she'd have the Word of Alternate >Sexuality and work for Stone), (biting tongue) >Thanks for the analysis. :) Very welcome. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 23:32:47 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> I'm ba-ack... From: "Douglas Muir" > > >>Kevin Spacey's > >>character in "American Beauty"... well, he's lusting > >>after (and clumsily pursuing) a 17 year old, but > >>OTOH he's basically a good person; what outcome? > > > >As written, the person dies. Cultures where the legal > >definition of 'consenting adult' varies might be a > >different story. Or not. Kandiel has her own > >standards, and they don't always match up with the > >local legal code. > > But if someone's _struggling_ with that Bad Desire... Especially since he won't actually carry though with that desire if given the chance. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:50:42 EST From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Bad joke Rev. Brian reads the joke, looks thoughtful for a second, then calmly and quietly looks up and replies: "That was the funniest joke in the history of the world," I'll leave it to you to decide whether or not I am being sarcastic. Reverend Brian A. Rogers In a message dated Sun, 10 Dec 2000 11:07:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kay Dekker writes: << OK, my apologies in advance. My InN group have been pressing me to post the joke. Blame them, not me. A guy died, and went before the Recording Angel. The Angel consulted the Book of Life, and sighed: "Another one; not good enough for Heaven, not bad enough for Hell. _You_ have to decide where you'll spend Eternity." The man considered this, then said "We only get rumours of these places on Earth - have you any tourist brochures, so that I can see what they're really like?" The Angel obligingly produced them, and, after a little consideration, the man said that he'd prefer Hell. This surprised the Angel, who said that most people liked Heaven better. "Ah," said the man, "but, you see, on Earth I was a keen sportsman, and Hell has by far the better recreation facilities; so, Hell it is." "But we have superlative sports in Heaven!" exclaimed the Angel. "Golf, cricket, croquet, skydiving - we do that all the time - and people particularly enjoy our Ocean of Love. Thousands of miles of golden beaches, and oh! the endless rolling breakers!" "Sure," admitted the man, "but I like mountaineering more, and Hell has pinnacles of razor-sharp basalt; vast ice-cliffs; unscaleable mountains - so there's better terrain in Hell than surf in Heaven!" Kay, fulfilling the Geas, and preparing to go Renegade. - -- "Caesar, the Zeta Reticulans having been repelled, fortified the spaceport with walls and ditches." >> ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1965 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.