From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Dec 12 15:24:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28874 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:24:41 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id PAA09292 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:24:24 -0600 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:24:24 -0600 Message-Id: <200012122124.PAA09292@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1967 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, December 12 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1967 In this digest: Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN> Weird question)) IN> (Insert Guitar Riff here) Re: IN> Weird question Re: IN> (Insert Guitar Riff here) Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... IN> Re: Them Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN> Weird question)) IN> Legion, Demon Prince of Corruption IN> Legion, Demon Prince of Corruption Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN> Weird question)) IN> The why of the adventure seed Re: IN> The why of the adventure seed IN> The Most Powerful Ethereal Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN> Weird question)) Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... Re: IN> LIL1: Andrealphus Re: IN> (Insert Guitar Riff here) Re: IN> The Most Powerful Ethereal Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN> Weirdquestion)) Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN> Weirdquestion)) Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN> Weirdquestion)) Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN> Weirdquestion)) Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN>Weirdquestion)) Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN> Weirdquestion)) IN> Did some one write a Song of Time? Re: IN> Did some one write a Song of Time? Re: IN> Did some one write a Song of Time? IN> Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN>Weirdquestion)) Re: IN> Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN>Weirdquestion)) Re: IN> Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN>Weirdquestion)) Re: IN> Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN>Weirdquestion)) IN> Dark Bright... Re: IN> Dark Bright... IN> Sun-Cross ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:53:17 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN> Weird question)) >This is too sick for Words. Thank you. I think. Interesting seed, I really want to see where this is going. - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:53:31 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> (Insert Guitar Riff here) I decided to try to write up a normal human. I failed. :) Moegiel Kyriotate of Destiny in Service to Music ("HULK MOSH! HULK MOSH!") Jimmy Lee Corporeal Forces: 1 Strength: 2 Agility: 2 Ethereal Forces: 3 Intelligence: 6 Precision: 6 Celestial Forces: 2 Will: 4 Perception: 4 Charisma/+2, Status/3 Skills: Artistry/3 (songwriting), Emote/2, Knowledge (music industry/2), Musical Instrument/6 (guitar), Singing/6 Jimmy Lee is going to be one of the hottest new stars in the music industry within the next few months. His music is a synthesis of modern R&B music with the traditional of his native Tennessee, with a large dash of virtuoso hard rock guitar added: it's loud, good, and has more legs than a centipede. Every music producer in the country's going to try to find carbon copies of this guy, and failing miserably. Naturally, Nybbas is going to want to get Jimmy firmly under his thumb, very quickly. With the right management, the kid can be milked for decades: needless to say, the gospel riffs have to go, but that's no great loss, right? The Prince will want this one handled with kid gloves, actually: this kind of raw talent shouldn't be wasted. There'll be plenty of time to wring it dry later on. There are only two problems: well, three. The first is that Jimmy's one of those rare mortals with six Forces, and a potential to have a seventh. The second is that he's got a special agent: Freddie, the Ofanite Angel of Rock and Roll, who's doing his best to gradually induct Jimmy to Heaven's side of the War. He's also called in some favors to make sure his hot prospect is protected from exactly this kind of problem: Michael was more than happy to drop off some truly hulking Malakim and Cherubim, who by now have become some of Jimmy's staunchest fans (not to mention roadies). Getting to the mortal might not be that easy. Personally, Jimmy's one of the good guys: nice to his mother, polite, not given to excess drinking or fooling around with groupies (and, seeing as his new girlfriend, unbeknownst to him, happens to have black wings, that's unlikely to change soon) and keeps his word. He wants to be the first Asian-American to make it extremely big in the American music scene, but doesn't want to fall in the same traps as the King or Janis or Jimi. When Jimmy finds out about the War, barring Infernal interference, he's almost certain to join Heaven's side. Corrupting him, given his protectors, is going to be an uphill battle. Oh, you want to know about the third problem? It's a pretty big one, although nobody's discovered it yet. If Nybbas ever does, things will get really complicated (not to mention explosive). You see, Jimmy's been a big part of the music scene before; it just wasn't in this lifetime. The Prince of the Media was bitterly disappointed that he couldn't snag him, the last time around. He _so_ badly wanted the soul of Buddy Holley... ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 19:59:02 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Weird question Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:57:33 -0500From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Weird question >If Haagenti actually admires Kobal, then he's >probably the overfed gremlin is probably the closest >Prince to Redeeming, Well, I've always thought so. My Heresy of Haagenti was dead _easy_ to write. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:13:17 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> (Insert Guitar Riff here) Cool, very cool. - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 20:17:05 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:10:37 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... >By those lights... a powerful Ethereal could be... >"They." You know --- They say this, They say that. >You know what They say. Not a bad one, actually. You could have fun with this sort of vaguely defined ethereal spirits: attacking them would be like punching fog... >Not to be confused with Them, who of course are giant >ants. ...but I could care less about doing playing with the above, because the idea of ethereal GIANT ANTS* has just taken over my brain and ordered it to fly to a remote airstrip in a country without extradition laws. Thanks. :) Moe *Or other atomic horrors. Excuse me, ATOMIC HORRORS!!!! ;) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:30:26 -0500 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: Them > Not to be confused with Them, who of course are giant ants. Eric, I hope there's a special place in Heaven (or Hell) for people like you. That single comment just made my evening :) Thanks. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:32:39 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN> Weird question)) At 9:28 PM -0600 12/11/00, Prodigal wrote: >Mary Elizabeth Jenkins Mary Elizabeth? Not Mary Jane? I'm so disappointed. Seriously -- nice. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 2000 05:05:46 -0000 From: "F. Iqbal" Subject: IN> Legion, Demon Prince of Corruption Anyone find a decent write-up for Legion. I'm going to be starting a variant campaign where Legion survived his run in with Raphael. He survives in the form of Janus and Vapula. ________________________________________________________________ Get Email, News, Links and The Best Selection at http://AnimeNation.com ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 2000 05:05:44 -0000 From: "F. Iqbal" Subject: IN> Legion, Demon Prince of Corruption Anyone find a decent write-up of Legion. I plan on running a variant campaign where Legion survives his run in with Raphael, in the form of Janus and Vapula. Any help would be appreciated. P.S. If this posted twice, my mail system is acting weird. Sorry. ________________________________________________________________ Get Email, News, Links and The Best Selection at http://AnimeNation.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:48:04 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN> Weird question)) From: "Whistling in the Dark" > At 9:28 PM -0600 12/11/00, Prodigal wrote: > >Mary Elizabeth Jenkins > > Mary Elizabeth? Not Mary Jane? I'm so disappointed. There is a very good reason why it took me about ten minutes to come up with that name, which will become obvious once part two is posted. ;) > Seriously -- nice. Thank you! And to Tim as well, since I decided to answer the both of you in one reply. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:40:30 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> The why of the adventure seed WARNING: This adventure seed is leaving canon behind fast enough to induce redshift. Unknown to most, after Lilith left Adam, God created a second wife before Eve. As he had with Adam and Lilith, God had Eli craft Adam's next wife from the dust, building her body from the inside out. Adam recoiled in horror from his intended second wife, however, repulsed at having seen the organs and viscera inside her body. Unable to bear the thought of laying with this new woman, and so refused to look upon or even name her. God then directed Eli to make Adam fall asleep, so that the creation of his third wife would have more favorable results than the creation of his second. By the time Eli had finished creating Eve, the nameless woman was nowhere to be seen. Eli asked God where this most wretched of creatures had gone, but God assured him that all was proceeding as it should. Satisfied with this answer, Eli forgot about the second wife. Meanwhile, she who held no name wandered the earth for millenia, bereft of name, home and people that she might call her own. None would have her as one of their own, until Lucifer found her following Lilith's facilitation of his escape from Hell. "Come with me," he told her, "And you shall have all that has been denied you. As you have no wish to remember your past, so shall I wash the memories of pain from your mind. And you shall have both a name, and a refuge within the Oblivion you crave, my Mariel." Unknown to all save the most select few, there were actually two human Princesses in Hell. The second, however, was not aware of her having once been human. The first application of the Word Lucifer granted her was to erase all memory of her existence prior to becoming a Princess. Lucifer kept her safe until he was certain of both her lack of memories and her grip upon her Word, then announced her position as Princess. And now we come to the first fact in the story that is known to more than a few: When a human dies without achieving either her Fate or her Destiny, her soul may reincarnate. Some souls take longer than others, however (in Mariel's case, it took almost a full millenium.) So now Mary Elizabeth has been born, an infant with the Word of Oblivion. If she can be guided toward Hell's service again, she could ultimately tip the balance in favor of the infernal. But if Heaven can win her to their side? Then we shall see whether a human is capable of being promoted to archangelic status, now won't we? And what role *is* Eli playing in all this? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:02:22 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> The why of the adventure seed Being the parents of the DP of Freedom would be stressful, just try keeping her grounded. Being the parents of the DP of Oblivion would be impossible, try remembering you had her. - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 02:29:54 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Most Powerful Ethereal "The Big Bang" aka the "God of Physical Reality", Celestialless Science, and Atheistic Reality Cor- Off the Charts Eth- Off the Charts Cel- Off the Charts Vessel: Human Male 6/ Role: A British person 6/ Songs: Almost all known and several unknown 6/ Attunement: Scientiffic Observation, Scientiff Probablity Special rites: * Convince someone of a agnostic, deistic, or atheistic scientiffic paradigm (+3) * Debunk something religeous or Rationalize a person's encounters with the supernatural (Ethereal or Celestial) away * Destroy a Celestial The Big bang is something that Heaven and Hell ultimately seriously loathe and whom Jean has personal issues with but does not want to harm for fear of what it might do to the scientiffic community. Besides it will be much more personally satisfying (from a strictly objective point of view) to watch the thing wither away to nothingness like the other pagan gods. The Big Bang is quite simply the dream of spiritualism being irrelevant personified. Taking the form of the universe's creation (without ANY sort of intervention whatsoever...it just "happened") The Big Bang is believed to be quite possibly humanity's dream of not being jerked around by ineffable forces and allowed the (in the Big Bang's point of view) complete satsifaction of living with only what you can see, smell, touch, and feel (excluding God and all other realms even if you can) on the Physical plane. Heaven has issues of course with the Big Bang who isn't really related to science (because that is the quest for fact which ultimately leads to the FACT God, Devils, and angels exist) but finds it the most useful tool for promoting his agenda which is oddly metaphysical in nature. The Big Bang believes that if everyone stops believing in God, the Devil, Angels, and Demons...they and all of the Heavens will simply....fade away. The Big Bang being a rather selfish creature then expects fully to take over with his allies in this endeavor Darwin (Evolution Personfied), Oblivion (who is the belief there is no afterlife personified), and numerous other beings allied with tearing down anything beyond the strictly materialist. Hell and indeed many ethereals have issues with this group because they still promote humanity, morality, and prosperity...within reason....and they make every effort they can to stamp out the other "superstitionalist drivels". The Big Bang in any case is a dream of ignorance, denial, and conspiracy to cover up facts but he is something almost comforting to anyone whose ever had doubts...because he's there to prey on them and construct a reality that simply does not exist with whoever he can get to help him in it. Thus he's as powerful as a minor Superior and has begun creating his first servitors....how little all sides realize just how worn out humanity is getting from their debates. - -Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 03:28:21 -0500 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:10:37 -0500 Whistling in the Dark writes: > By those lights... a powerful Ethereal could be... "They." You know > -- They say this, They say that. You know what They say. > > Not to be confused with Them, who of course are giant ants. Whereas They just might be Gi-ants. Demon of Punnery, at your service... - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:09:39 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN> Weird question)) All that either Yves or Kronos will tell them amounts to "Make sure she is left alone as much as possible," after all, so since they're working toward the same goal anyway...<<< You know, the whole equation could suddenly go out the window if some nosy angel of Revelation (perhaps a PC), were to unveil the secretive actions of Destiny and Fate. I'd think it would be likely that Christopher and maybe Blandine would jump in too. Lots of fun all around. ^_^ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 07:10:23 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... - --On Monday, December 11, 2000 18:47 -0800 Maurice Lane wrote: > Malakim and Servitors of > Nightmares would walk right past him/her. Assuming > that he/she didn't use her nature to successfully > emulate said celestials... :) And I flash to the scene in "Three Amigos" where Chevy Chase is trying to blend in with the bandits. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Together we...trimmed the hedges...of many small villages...") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 07:16:10 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... - --On Tuesday, December 12, 2000 03:28 -0500 damienw@juno.com wrote: > > > Demon of Punnery, at your service... > Would that be the Radar Secret Service? Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Someone has stolen the Uranium-238 space modulator!") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:21 +0000 From: Kay Dekker Subject: Re: IN> LIL1: Andrealphus > I'd agree on this one. Novalis is sure with the absolute certainty of the > drive upwards of a hundred-meter Florida redwood's roots that she is doing > the Right Thing. However, if this gets out, Andrealphus is in deep trouble > and the entire work is trashed. Ergo, it should not get out. Simply > practical. Indeed. IMC, she's involved (along with the other Cherub AAs) in a plan - "I _hate_ that word Conspiracy" - that requires a looong (even in AA terms) time and absolute secrecy. While she's absolutely convinced that what they are doing is Right, and would be entirely happy to discuss it with, say, Dominic, she understands that some things just have to be kept quiet to work properly. Kay - -- "Caesar, the Zeta Reticulans having been repelled, fortified the spaceport with walls and ditches." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:23:48 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> (Insert Guitar Riff here) - --On Monday, December 11, 2000 19:53 -0800 Maurice Lane wrote: > > Oh, you want to know about the third problem? It's a > pretty big one, although nobody's discovered it yet. > If Nybbas ever does, things will get really > complicated (not to mention explosive). You see, > Jimmy's been a big part of the music scene before; it > just wasn't in this lifetime. The Prince of the Media > was bitterly disappointed that he couldn't snag him, > the last time around. > > He _so_ badly wanted the soul of Buddy Holley... > Oh, just shoot me NOW.... =) Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation (Speechless) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:28:44 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> The Most Powerful Ethereal - --On Tuesday, December 12, 2000 02:29 -0500 Charles Phipps wrote: > > Role: A British person 6/ > Malcolm McDowell. You know it. I know it. You know it. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("If he doesn't a reliever named L-RON, I'll just cry.") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:42:06 -0600 From: "Cthulhu" Subject: Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN> Weirdquestion)) - ---------------------------------------------- Original Message From: "Whistling in the Dark" Subject: Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN> Weirdquestion)) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 23:32:39 -0500 >At 9:28 PM -0600 12/11/00, Prodigal wrote: >>Mary Elizabeth Jenkins > >Mary Elizabeth? Not Mary Jane? I'm so disappointed. Mr Burns. You're not paying attention.... :-) I don't know about Mary (other than the whole mother-og-some-god thing), but Elizabeth _does_ mean word/vow-of-God. Shocking to think you'd missed that one. Cthulhu _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:46:24 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN> Weirdquestion)) From: "Cthulhu" > > From: "Whistling in the Dark" > > >At 9:28 PM -0600 12/11/00, Prodigal wrote: > >>Mary Elizabeth Jenkins > > > >Mary Elizabeth? Not Mary Jane? I'm so disappointed. > > Mr Burns. You're not paying attention.... :-) > > I don't know about Mary (other than the whole mother-og-some-god thing), > but Elizabeth _does_ mean word/vow-of-God. > > Shocking to think you'd missed that one. But nice to see that I managed to come up with something that had even more layers of meaning than originally intended. I actually chose Elizabeth because it made her Mary El. ;;;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:59:41 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN> Weirdquestion)) At 10:42 AM -0600 12/12/00, Cthulhu wrote: > > >Mary Elizabeth? Not Mary Jane? I'm so disappointed. > >Mr Burns. You're not paying attention.... :-) > >I don't know about Mary (other than the whole mother-og-some-god thing), >but Elizabeth _does_ mean word/vow-of-God. > >Shocking to think you'd missed that one. Do we finally have an entire mailing list to whom the name "Mary Jane" means nothing (and I don't mean Marijuana, either)? Could such a bright place yet exist? - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 12:01:11 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN> Weirdquestion)) At 10:46 AM -0600 12/12/00, Prodigal wrote: > >I actually chose Elizabeth because it made her Mary El. ;;;) Which also implies that she's Superman's other cousin. So, Destiny and Fate both watch her and Kobal's going to spike her formula with Kryptonite. That's just wrong.... (You know, Kronos sort of looks like Lex Luthor...) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:06:45 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN>Weirdquestion)) From: "Whistling in the Dark" > > Do we finally have an entire mailing list to whom the name "Mary > Jane" means nothing (and I don't mean Marijuana, either)? If you're referring to Spiderman, no. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:08:17 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN> Weirdquestion)) >From: Whistling in the Dark >Do we finally have an entire mailing list to whom the name "Mary >Jane" means nothing (and I don't mean Marijuana, either)? Could such >a bright place yet exist? Just quit doing your Yves impersonation and enlighten us, 'kay? *g* - -- Chuckg _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:47:40 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: IN> Did some one write a Song of Time? I vaguely remember one being written up and sent to the list. Have I gone mad or am I remembering actual events? - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:45:49 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Did some one write a Song of Time? At 12:47 PM 12/12/00, you wrote: >I vaguely remember one being written up and sent to the list. Have I gone >mad or am I remembering actual events? The two are not mutually exclusive. However, you are remembering actual events. Follows the post from Maurice Lane (natch) from September 28 of this year. I am reposting without permission, although I have a feeling that Moe will forgive me just this once. Oddly, the In Nomine List digests (at http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/digests/) are unsearchable here; the words "song" and "of" are vastly too common in the digests for the search engine to comprehend, although "time" is strangely findable. - -EDG - ----- Well ... how to explain this one? Let's just say that this was the centerpiece of an article that never quite jelled. Thought I'd toss it into the ring and see whether the commentary sparks my creativity. Enjoy, or not. :) Something like this is probably in the INC already, but if not, feel free. Morgan (FAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Causality, Smausality, as long as I'm Raking in the Gambling Winnings. Songs of Time The fact that there is even a complete set of Songs that manipulate time is one of the best-kept secrets of the War. The Ethereal Song is freely available, and the Corporeal isn't precisely a secret, but very few people know that the two are related ... and even the knowledge that a Celestial Song of Time exists is highly classified. Either Yves or Kronos discovered them, but determining precisely when or how is effectively impossible. Celestial languages are no more suited for discussing time travel than corporeal ones. Corporeal (Song of Stasis) - This Song permits the caster to temporarily isolate someone or something (up to 200 lbs.) on the corporeal plane from the flow of Time. For the Song's duration, the target effectively disappears from the universe: nothing (not even a Superior) will be able to affect him, her or it while the target is in stasis. Cherubim and Djinn will have their attunements break as if the target was destroyed (but not suffer dissonance), Lilim will not be able to call in a Geas, attempts to trace a celestial via his Heart will fail, etc. A Shedite or Kyriotate possessing someone in stasis must make a Will Roll to break free in time. On the plus side, no time will pass for the target, so time-intensive dissonance restrictions will not take effect. The target will also not need food, air, water or anything else while in stasis. Targets may resist with a Will Roll at -4. Once the stasis is over, the target will appear in the exact same spot on earth from where he disappeared: if this would entail materializing in a solid object, then the target will appear at the nearest open space, stunned for 1d6 turns. Duration depends on how much Essence is spent: 2 Essence - check digit x hours 4 Essence - check digit x days 8 Essence - check digit x months 16 Essence - check digit x years 32 Essence - check digit x centuries ... and so on. Double cost for each additional 200 lbs. or fraction thereof. The base roll is at -3 for each doubling of Essence. Ethereal (Song of Danger) - This Song provides the caster with advance knowledge of threats. Duration is equal to the check digit, in hours. This warning will usually manifest as a feeling of unease, beginning a few minutes before the threat manifests and steadily rising as the moment of crisis comes nearer. Specific details about the threat are not provided. Use of this Song in combat will provide the caster with a bonus to Dodge and attacks equal to half the check digit, rounded up. Celestial - This Song permits the user to travel to the past (no one has ever successfully returned from a visit to the future). For some reason, the farthest anyone can travel back is exactly 1000 years ... and that's 1000 thousand years from the user's ultimate temporal origin. Use the table above to determine Essence cost; the base roll is only -1 for each doubling of Essence. Also note that use of this Song is strictly one-way: getting back to the present has to be done the old-fashioned way. This is less of an issue for celestials, of course, seeing as they're immortal. Usually, a successful use of this Song will land the target in the same location, within 1 minute/hour/etc. of their desired time, either way. Taking a -2 to the roll will allow the user to get closer. For example, if a Servitor of Destiny is trying to go back to 1987 CE, he can expect to arrive anytime from 1986 to 1988. If he takes a -2 to his roll, he can define a month in 1987 to aim for, and arrive up to a month before or after that date. The precise time of arrival is up to the GM. Bonus: Destiny, Fate Available: Most Older Superiors (Corporeal), All (Ethereal), Yves/Kronos (Celestial) Disturbance: none for all three Songs, although actions resulting from time travel can cause disturbance normally. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:59:39 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Did some one write a Song of Time? Thank you very much. I'm going to print this out now. Poor, poor players. - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:19:28 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: IN> Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN>Weirdquestion)) At 11:06 AM -0600 12/12/00, Prodigal wrote: >From: "Whistling in the Dark" > > > > Do we finally have an entire mailing list to whom the name "Mary > > Jane" means nothing (and I don't mean Marijuana, either)? > >If you're referring to Spiderman, no. ;) Hm. If I explain, I'll be going off topic. How to reconcile these two things. Ah. It would be complicated by the fact that the name should be "Mary Sue." Not Mary Jane. My apologies, all. Still, it's worth elaborating on... ah! I know. Marissa Shedite Knight of Derision Demon of Mary Sue Fiction Corporeal Forces: 2 Strength: 4 Agility: 4 Ethereal Forces: 5 Intelligence: 10 Precision: 10 Celestial Forces: 5 Will: 10 Perception: 10 Suggested Word Forces: 4 Skills: Artistry (Writing/2); Knowledge (Popular Fiction/6, Popular Television/6, Comic Books/6); Computer Operation/3; Dodge/5; Fast-Talk/4; Lying/4; Savoir-Faire/3; Songs: Charm (Celestial/5); Dreams (Corporeal/4; Celestial/2); Healing (Corporeal/2); Shields (Corporeal/3); Tongues (Corporeal/6, Ethereal/6, Celestial/6) Attunements: Shedim of Dark Humor; Calabim of Dark Humor; Prank; Knight of Derision Special Rite: Convince someone to include a piece of Mary Sue fiction among more legitimate fan fiction (+2 Essence if included in Canon). As long as mankind has spun stories, there have been fans of those stories. When old, blind Homer sang his songs of Troy and brave Odysseus, there were those who sat in the front row and hung on his every word, for every performance. It is a part of Creation and holy to Eli; a good thing, therefore. Some of those fans, naturally enough, have been inspired by the work they love so much. This inspiration could take many forms -- playing let's pretend where a boy pretends to be Hercules, or painting pictures of Gilgamesh slaying his enemies, or telling the Canterbury Tales to a good friend who didn't get to see the big Chaucer concert live from the Gorge, and so forth. And these too are Creation, as one act of creation begats another, and passions are spread. These too are holy to Eli. And it is natural enough that some of these inspired fans are creators themselves. Writers, who when reading the tight, gripping tale of Sherlock Holmes and the Hound of the Baskervilles, are driven to write there own stories, where Sherlock returns to the moors, only to face *three* hounds, a cat, Moriarty and the Pantomime Queen Victoria. And Eli smiled upon these stories -- some were really quite skillful, and you can't fault enthusiasm, and it *was* creation, after all. Leave it to Hell to ruin a good thing. It was the original script editors of the original Star Trek who coined the name "Mary Sue." It seemed more and more scripts submitted by fans of Star Trek (as well as the various APA Star Trek authors and even some of the legitimate authors doing adaptions) were sneaking in... well, their own characters. There was nothing wrong with that, naturally, except... well, they kept making their characters *better* at everything than the primary cast. They would include characters who could casually win against Spock at Chess, outfence Sulu, outcommand Kirk and outdrink Scotty. And it seemed like most of these ubermensches were midwestern girls, fresh out of the Academy with stars in their eyes and gigham in place of their uniform, who gosh darn it just happened to be better at *everything* than the real cast members. They named that archetype "Mary Sue." But Mary Sue wouldn't be content to haunt James Kirk (who naturally couldn't seduce *her.*) Oh no. With enough time, Mary Sue ended up on board all the different U.S.S. Enterprises. She fought alongside the X-Men after brushing Phoenix aside. She negotiated the big Centari/Narn treaty before the War and beat a Shadow with one hand tied behind her back. She walked the fields of Endor, her command of the Force twice that of Luke Skywalker. She tore out Caine's throat to become the new First Generation Kindred. And she was so much *cuter* than the Powerpuff Girls. It had to be one of Lucifer's little jokes, but Mary Sue Fiction got its own protector, as Marissa, the Demon of Mary Sue Fiction, rose in the early nineties, amid the floodgates of fanfiction that spread throughout the Internet. Marissa is wont to possess a young writer -- especially one who shows promise -- and gently nudge him into creating Mary Sues when he writes Fan Fiction. The flood of angry or negative response that comes from such stories often leads to a writer giving up and turning away from creativity. And to Marissa's mind, that's funny. *** (Yes, I know that technically, the Queen of Hell stuff is a Mary Sue. But Marissa brought *fudge.*) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:31:13 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN>Weirdquestion)) Please note that Prodigal's seed is *not* Mary Sueish, by the by. It's just, when you have a person being born that both Fate and Destiny find so hopelessly significant, and her first name was Mary... it just leapt into my head, like a cheerful pup. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:51:15 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN>Weirdquestion)) From: "Whistling in the Dark" > Please note that Prodigal's seed is *not* Mary Sueish, by the by. > It's just, when you have a person being born that both Fate and > Destiny find so hopelessly significant, and her first name was > Mary... it just leapt into my head, like a cheerful pup. I figured that's what you meant, since I don't plan on having Mary Elizabeth ever be a PC. But thank you for saying it regardless. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:19:50 -0500 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: IN> Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN>Weirdquestion)) >Ah. It would be complicated by the fact that the name should be "Mary >Sue." Not Mary Jane. My apologies, all. Oh! That, I recognize. Carry on.. ;) * * * * * Jason Schneiderman, Editor, EDITORIAL HUMOR. E-mail: edhumor@tiac.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:33:43 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Dark Bright... This is Moe's fault. He said he likes to read Dark stuff. It's also an insomnia special. www.io.com/~arcangel/darkbright.html - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 2000 13:01:12 -0800 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Dark Bright... > This is Moe's fault. He said he likes to read Dark stuff. Gee, thanks, Beth. I'm off to go stick toothpicks into my eyes. It hurts less. - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:20:59 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: IN> Sun-Cross Now available at http://members.nbci.com/lifemage/SunCross is slightly over half of Sun-Cross, my attempt to contribute to the In Nomine universe by expanding on the struggle between Yves and Kronos, giving a slightly more human angle to the interplay of cosmic concepts. The Archangel Leila is complete; the Demon Princess Terye is not, and may not be for a while yet, although a basic writeup may be up in a few days or weeks. Beth, you may want to take a look particularly at the Sample Servitors; Terreniah was built in standard IN as a Word-Bound, then converted to G:IN format, with no attempt at point-balancing, and Sam was created with 100 customization points as per the recommended method in G:IN, then converted to standard IN without a clear knowledge of whether I was being point-balanced or not. Three things I have learned in the process of writing this: 1.) It has seemed a lack to me, that angels can be bound to Wrds and gain for this Rites and Attunements, yet not a Dissonance Condition. So I have included a Dissonance Condition for Terreniah's Word. 2.) Writing up Elohim in G:IN is harder than I thought it would be. Not being able to pick up mental disadvantages, and physical or social disadvantages being a function of the vessel's Alternate Identity rather than the core character, it's a challenge to push the Elohite out of the "vanilla" realm into something more complex. But then, maybe that's just what you get for playing a member of the "interchangeable Choir." ;^) (Truth to tell, if I'd *really* wanted a few more customization points I'd have knocked down some of the other attributes a bit, or skipped the second identity. I'm just in love with characters who have insanely high IQs. %^) ) 3.) Converting Sam to standard IN format, I actually got Strength 5, Agility 5, which might have indicated Corp. Forces 2, but I just bumped it up to 3, and actually used this to set Sam's Power Investiture. Wouldn't have mattered if I was creating a character just for one game or the other. Also, at a quick glance, how are the point values for the Attunements and Dissonance? If I have everything right, a Servitor of Redemption would add points to the 100 before customizing? William ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1967 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.