From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Dec 12 23:18:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21277 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:18:26 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id XAA26968 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:20:26 -0600 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:20:26 -0600 Message-Id: <200012130520.XAA26968@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1968 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, December 12 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1968 In this digest: Re: IN> Dark Bright... Re: IN> Dark Bright... Re: IN> Dark Bright... Re: IN> Dark Bright... Re: IN> Dark Bright... Re: IN> Dark Bright... Re: IN> Dark Bright... Re: IN> Weird Wally's Gaming Dungeon Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... Re: IN> Dark Bright... Re: IN> Ril, Demon Prince of Ignorance Re: IN> With Humble Apologies to Charles Dickens................... Re: IN> Ril, Demon Prince of Ignorance Re: IN> I'm ba-ack... (Be afraid. Be very afraid.) Re: IN> Sun-Cross Re: IN> Dark Bright... Re: IN> Fwd: _You_ try writing up a Word-bound for a concept that you're not even sure actually exists. Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... Re: IN> The why of the adventure seed Re: IN> The Most Powerful Ethereal Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... Re: IN> (Insert Guitar Riff here) Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... Re: IN> Dark Bright... IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. Re: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. Re: IN> Sun-Cross IN> Jeez, this is annoying... Re: IN> Jeez, this is annoying... Re: IN> Did some one write a Song of Time? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:51:22 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Dark Bright... That's just wrong. - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:28:05 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Dark Bright... At 3:51 PM -0700 12/12/00, Tim Groth wrote: >That's just wrong. At 1:01 PM -0800 12/12/00, Casca wrote: >Gee, thanks, Beth. >I'm off to go stick toothpicks into my eyes. It hurts less. Should I bow for being able to create the SHEER ANGST I was hoping for, or cringe at the revulsion caused by purple prose? Izzit dark enough? O:> - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:19:00 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Dark Bright... >Izzit dark enough? O:> Well I didn't curl up into a little ball, though I was convulsing a bit. So depending on if you were aiming for total functional shut down in your victims or just messing with your audiences' head you either didn't go far enough or went too far. - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:41:00 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Dark Bright... At 4:19 PM -0700 12/12/00, Tim Groth wrote: >>Izzit dark enough? O:> > >Well I didn't curl up into a little ball, though I was convulsing a >bit. So depending on if you were aiming for total functional shut >down in your victims or just messing with your audiences' head you >either didn't go far enough or went too far. I think I was aiming for, "How messed up _can_ I get a redeemed's psychology, and still maintain a plausible Heaven which is just engaged in a massive miscommunication because no one understands Bright Lilim and how bad a Word-mismatch can be?" At about 3-4 in the morning, with a touch of insomnia. I'm glad it wasn't purple prose that was causing the twitching. (Was it?) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:29:57 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Dark Bright... From: "Elizabeth McCoy" > > I think I was aiming for, "How messed up _can_ I get a redeemed's > psychology, and still maintain a plausible Heaven which is just > engaged in a massive miscommunication because no one understands > Bright Lilim and how bad a Word-mismatch can be?" At about 3-4 in > the morning, with a touch of insomnia. The fact that everybody was just trying to do the right thing, and as a result only managing to screw things up worse, made it great fun to read. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:35:23 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Dark Bright... >I think I was aiming for, "How messed up _can_ I get a redeemed's >psychology, and still maintain a plausible Heaven which is just >engaged in a massive miscommunication because no one understands >Bright Lilim and how bad a Word-mismatch can be?" At about 3-4 in >the morning, with a touch of insomnia. You got what you were aiming for. >I'm glad it wasn't purple prose that was causing the twitching. (Was it?) No, no. It was the content that caused the twitching. - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:33:12 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Dark Bright... At 6:28 PM -0500 12/12/00, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >Izzit dark enough? O:> Whoo yeah.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:07:32 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Weird Wally's Gaming Dungeon - --- Douglas Muir wrote: > Weird Wally's used to be an ordinary gaming store... a little > grubbier than > most, perhaps, but otherwise nothing special. This is just _too_ good. The fact that it parallels my own opinions on CCG's is icing on the cake (proof at last that M:tG is a tool of the devil! };;;>) ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 13 Dec 2000 00:05:52 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:02:50 -0800 (PST) Michael Walton wrote: > >--- Prodigal wrote: >> > The One Good Man: Ever since the advent of film noir, especially, >The One >> Good Man has drawn Essence from the dreams of those who believe that >> someone, somewhere, is willing to take a stand against the darkness >> and corruption that surrounds him. > > I liked this one a lot! Kudos to you, Prodigal. The saddest thing >about this spirit (IMHO) is his slow fading as Western society slides >deeper into it fascination with amoral anti-heroes. The One Good Man >may be among the most powerful Ethereals for now, but who knows how >much longer that will last? you haven't been watching many Bruce Willis films, have you? i wouldn't necessarily include Bonfire of the Vanities, Striking Distance, or The Sixth Sense (though the last is debatable), but that still leaves all three Die Hard flicks, Last Man Standing, and Unbreakable, as well as The Last Boy Scout. i think Willis gets a kick out of playing this genre-type, and i for one love seeing him do it :) "Next to hydrogen, stupidity is the most common element in the universe." --Harlan Ellison ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:15:42 -0800 From: Kris Overstreet Subject: Re: IN> Dark Bright... At 03:33 PM 12/12/00 -0500, you wrote: >This is Moe's fault. He said he likes to read Dark stuff. > >It's also an insomnia special. > Nitpick: I don't think Laurence would ever combine the suaveness and stupidity, the discipline and dishonor that would be necessary for this. He's intentionally misled a prospective Bright, IMHO. Redneck Kris Overstreet, aka Redneck Gaijin publisher, White Lightning Prod. - www.wlpcomics.com I ***LOATHE*** Microsoft Outlook. Please get Eudora. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:20:44 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Ril, Demon Prince of Ignorance Oh, I can just see relict angels of Knowledge fuming about this guy! Destiny's crowd can't like him much, either. Some of the Attunements seem a little broken, but the history opens all kinds of doors. PS: it's official -- people on this list get more creative when they're sleep-deprived. I guess that makes us all IN-somniacs. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:29:18 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> With Humble Apologies to Charles Dickens................... - --- Bradley Paranial wrote: > The Just came to me right now, must be the season....... > > Ebenezzer (sp?) Scrooge: Just an ordinariy mudane plain vanilla Five > Force Mortal, or if you must, a redeemed Solider of Mammon. I'd make him a Mundane with a powerful Destiny (and an equally impressive Fate). > "Ghosts" of Christmas Past, Present and Future: I can see them as angels of Destiny using the Songs of Dreams. I agree that Seraphim and Elohim are the best choices. However, a case can be made for the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come being a Menunite. > Jacob Marley: Dammed Soul that managed to escape Hell and become a > Dreamshade. (Or Maybe temporalily sprung by Yves with this in mind.) Nah... Dream Shade using a Song of Spirit Speech. Or, if you want to simplify, a powerful Ghost. Keep it up, Bradley. We'll drag you down to our level yet. };> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:33:43 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Ril, Demon Prince of Ignorance >Some of the Attunements seem a little broken, Which ones and how so? I'd like to fix em if I can, so feed back would help. > I guess that makes us all IN-somniacs. Kobal would kill you for that pun. As for me I'm just groaning. - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:35:23 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> I'm ba-ack... (Be afraid. Be very afraid.) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Kandiel > Malakite of Creation IST Judgement > Angel of Kinky Sex Ow. OW. OW!!! Once again, Moe, you push the outside of the envelope and redefine the zip codes. Excuse me while I slink off and regenerate. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:06:51 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Sun-Cross At 4:20 PM -0500 12/12/00, William J. Keith wrote: >Now available at http://members.nbci.com/lifemage/SunCross NBIC must roast in Sheol for its unholy alliance with ads.doubleclick.com, asking for a cookie approximately every 30 seconds... Lelia: What, no "Restricted" notations? Or did I miss it on the Kyriotates? The Seraphim is weird. Beliefs don't necessarily _have_ a Truth. Either the belief they sense is the one that the person held, or it's not... The Cherub one is _awfully_ powerful for only 10 Gpoints. O:> Malakim are _only_ 25 Gpoints?? When they're wandering around with quasi-Cherub perceptions for _all_ their fellow Servitors? AND something akin to the Malakim of Creation? EEEE! The Kyriotate one is a little unclear -- the Kyrio can send a dreamlike impression of what it's doing in the host's body? Why is the Mercurian one time-limited? Do they _get_ the skill in question for the duration? I think it would be simple enough to say they get a "snapshot" which may or may not be accurate over time. BTW, you should include another conversion note: degree of success in GURPS is what we replaced the IN check digit mechanic with. O:> The Bright Lilim one is kind of confusing to me as to exactly who's feeling what about which. O:> If Dominic catches her adopting Grigori, he's going to start a trial rolling. They're Outcast for a _reason_... O:> Silver Lining is an almost direct version from the Captain of the Third Choice Freedom Distinction in FotM, did you know? >Chance of Invocation: 10(40 points, GURPS), 6(IN) That's a majorly high IN Invocation target number. The highest to date, IIRC, are 4s... Though you do note that it's because she doesn't have many people to keep an eye on... >Beth, you may want to take a look particularly at the Sample Servitors; >Terreniah was built in standard IN as a Word-Bound, then converted to G:IN >format, with no attempt at point-balancing, and Sam was created with 100 >customization points as per the recommended method in G:IN, then converted >to standard IN without a clear knowledge of whether I was being >point-balanced or not. Sam converts out to 25 points, and would normally get 36, but you've forgotten to convert his Roles. (Roles convert directly -- they come in 6 levels.) Is he using the s ame vessel for each Role? That would probably get him closer. >Three things I have learned in the process of writing this: > >1.) It has seemed a lack to me, that angels can be bound to Wrds and gain >for this Rites and Attunements, yet not a Dissonance Condition. So I have >included a Dissonance Condition for Terreniah's Word. Dissonance Conditions are sort of associated with the state change of Superiors, in IN. I mean, you can tack one onto a Word, especially a powerful one, but it's generally a royal pain in the tuchas to figure out yet MORE "New Stuff" for Word-bound... >2.) Writing up Elohim in G:IN is harder than I thought it would be. Not >being able to pick up mental disadvantages, and physical or social >disadvantages being a function of the vessel's Alternate Identity rather >than the core character, it's a challenge to push the Elohite out of the >"vanilla" realm into something more complex. But then, maybe that's just >what you get for playing a member of the "interchangeable Choir." ;^) >(Truth to tell, if I'd *really* wanted a few more customization points I'd >have knocked down some of the other attributes a bit, or skipped the second >identity. I'm just in love with characters who have insanely high IQs. >%^) ) In the games we've had, Elohim tend to be... very subtle to play, in some ways. They have their little quirks, basically, and you start paying attention to them. You might be able to justify a Compulsive Behavior or Code of Honor, if the Elohite had previously deeply considered the habit and decided to adopt it. Frankly, when designing GIN characters, I find very little urge to give much in the way of disads to any of 'em. Dunno why. >3.) Converting Sam to standard IN format, I actually got Strength 5, >Agility 5, which might have indicated Corp. Forces 2, but I just bumped it >up to 3, and actually used this to set Sam's Power Investiture. Wouldn't >have mattered if I was creating a character just for one game or the other. No, you did the right thing -- he's at 9 Forces, and that's proper and it's hard to get Strength/Agility at 5 for a normal starting celestial. >Also, at a quick glance, how are the point values for the Attunements and >Dissonance? If I have everything right, a Servitor of Redemption would add >points to the 100 before customizing? Urrrrr.... I'd look at the stuff in GIN, but I have an awake baby on my lap right now... Walter's the more mechanics-minded of us, anyway. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:19:57 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Dark Bright... At 6:15 PM -0800 12/12/00, Kris Overstreet wrote: >At 03:33 PM 12/12/00 -0500, you wrote: >>This is Moe's fault. He said he likes to read Dark stuff. >> >>It's also an insomnia special. > >Nitpick: I don't think Laurence would ever combine the suaveness and >stupidity, the discipline and dishonor that would be necessary for this. >He's intentionally misled a prospective Bright, IMHO. Oh, sure. But it's partly _her_ fault, though. We're talking someone who jumped into it with serious expectation problems. I don't think he _intentionally_ misled her, just that he didn't understand what she expected. And vice versa. She's just as "guilty" in this as anyone else. If only she'd spoken up a little.... If only, if only. (Suave? Suave? Who needs suave when you've got THE best Good View in Heaven? Ahem. O:> ) (And to all the praise: COOOOOO! O:> ) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:06:25 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: _You_ try writing up a Word-bound for a concept that you're not even sure actually exists. > >Quinn > >Mercurian Vassal of Lightning > >Angel of Psychohistory Ah, Moe, it's good to see that your work is on a firm "Foundation." 0;> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:17:18 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... - --- Charles Glasgow wrote: > Naaaah... the most powerful Ethereal is Nobody. > > Think about it. Nobody is more powerful than God. *g* That spirit is also a superb rescuer ("Nobody can save you now."), a mind reader ("Nobody knows the trouble I've seen.") and the ultimate survivor ("Nobody gets out alive!"). ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:34:59 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> The why of the adventure seed Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:40:30 -0600From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> The why of the adventure seed >WARNING: This adventure seed is leaving canon behind >fast enough to induce redshift. Heh. HehhehehhahahAhAHAHAHAHHAHBWAHH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAHHHH! Yeah, you were right. That's just _prine_. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:25:35 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Most Powerful Ethereal - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > "The Big Bang" > aka the "God of Physical Reality", Celestialless Science, and > Atheistic > Reality Here's irony for you. Atheistic reality depends on creation having no first cause. God is known as the Uncaused Cause. And the Big Bang is not a cause at all, but an effect of Human (un)belief. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:26:40 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... - --- damienw@juno.com wrote: > Whereas They just might be Gi-ants. Cease these ant-ics at once! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:29:31 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> (Insert Guitar Riff here) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:23:48 -0500From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> (Insert Guitar Riff here) - - --On Monday, December 11, 2000 19:53 -0800 Maurice Lane wrote: >> He _so_ badly wanted the soul of Buddy Holley...> > Oh, just shoot me NOW.... =) >Marc. Just Marc. >Elohite Angel of Salvation >(Speechless) Hmmm... is that a _good_ "shoot me now", or a bad one, I wonder? Oh well, emotional response is the important thing*... :) Moe *(peering at .sig) Oh. Erm. Uh. Ahh ... Sorry? :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:36:10 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... - --- -=|horsefly|=- wrote: you haven't been watching many Bruce Willis films, have > you? i wouldn't necessarily include Bonfire of the Vanities, > Striking Distance, or The Sixth Sense (though the last is debatable), > but that still leaves all three Die Hard flicks, Last Man Standing, > and Unbreakable, as well as The Last Boy Scout. i think Willis gets > a kick out of playing this genre-type, and i for one love seeing him > do it :) Agreed. Willis has done more for the image of true heroes than any other actor in recent times. Stuff like that is why the One Good Man isn't dead yet. But Nybbas is working on that... ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:52:45 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Dark Bright... Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:33:43 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Dark Bright... >This is Moe's fault. He said he likes to read Dark >stuff. It's also an insomnia special. > www.io.com/~arcangel/darkbright.html Mmmmm... tasty. In a very, very disturbing way. Now, of course, I have to somehow redress the karmic balance. Watch this space...* Moe *But what should I do? (scrolls up) Yes! Oh, yesssssss...... ;) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:49:50 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 22:10:37 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals... >>Not to be confused with Them, who of course are >>giant ants. (I wrote) >...but I could care less about doing playing with the >above, because the idea of ethereal GIANT ANTS* has >just taken over my brain and ordered it to fly to a >remote airstrip in a country without extradition >laws. I sincerely hope that some of you aren't actually all that surprised. ;) Moe Them Ethereal, Surprisingly not that Giant, Ants Corporeal Forces: 4 Strength: 10 Agility: 6 Ethereal Forces: 1 Intelligence: 3 Precision: 1 Celestial Forces: 2 Will: 5 Perception: 3 Vessel: giant ant/3 Skills: Area Knowledge/3 (bowels of NYC sewers / subway system), Fighting/2, Large Weapon/2 (bat), Move Silently/2, Ranged Weapon/2 (rifle), Survival/1 (underground), Tactics/1 Songs: Healing (Corporeal/1), Numinous Corpus (ant-man)/2, Shadows (Corporeal/3), Shields (Corporeal/1), Succor (Corporeal/1), Tongues (Ethereal/1) You think that you have problems? Hah! Them would all gladly change places with you in a New York minute (and, thanks to recent events, they've got lots and lots of New York minutes to spare). It's not like any of Them asked to be sucked out of their maybe precarious, but fairly isolated niche in the Far Marches for some idiotic War between a bunch of trigger-happy, jumped up godlets, right? No, but when a big ravenous anteater from some pantheon that died off centuries ago stops by and told Them that they had to serve one of these godlets called Nybbas, Them had no real choice. Some of Them thought that they did, but the sight of several Them disappearing down the gullet of said stoolie anteater persuaded Them otherwise. It got worse from there. You could tell that these guys from Hell thought that all of Them were dumb. True, the average Them may not be the brightest bulb in the package, but they're smart enough to listen to Him. Him is real bright. Him is so bright that he doesn’t let anyone else know how bright he is. Well, except for all the Them, of course: Him has to trust somebody. Anyway, when it came time for Them to go attack somebody named Blandine, Him made sure that he and Them were in a good position to run. Said good position involved running over that bastard anteater, but that was just a bonus. So, Them were running through this Vale, and Him spotted something called a Tether. He told Them to go through it, all of Them did, and the next thing they knew, they were underground in some kind of weird set of tunnels and abandoned caves, or something. Actually not too bad a deal, except that all of Them kept getting chased by these scummy demons. It took forever to get away, and some of Them didn't. Now Them (still lead by Him) are stuck hiding out, deep underground, trying to figure out how to get off this miserable plane and go back to somewhere quiet. Him has a plan or two about that, actually. Being the bright one, he always had an idea about how Them got formed in the first place, and he noticed that there some of these humans wandering around in the levels above. He sent some Them to go grab a couple, and explained the score. These humans were about as bright as Them, so explaining that Him and his buddies were actually gods (hey, just because those angels and demons don't want to admit it...) wasn't too hard. Him went on to explain (he's really good at this sort of thing) that they were _good_ gods, gods who cared, gods who weren't big on Smiting or anything. All they wanted was worship, and in exchange, their followers would get some decent food and medical treatment for a change. Good thing Him had learned all those Songs, a while back: teaching Them wasn't too hard, either (he only had to do it once, for some reason). The humans were skeptical ... until they got some of the food. Then it was "O great Them, without whom we are as naught." They brought their buddies, too. Pretty soon, all of Them were raking in the Essence. Actually, the humans turned out to be pretty OK, too, once they were getting regular meals and all. Having hands all the time can be useful, and they seemed really happy that somebody actually _cared_. Him has even managed to teach a special human or two some Songs that they'll need, once their gods go bye-bye. For, you see, all of Them still want out. By now, scouting has determined where this Tether thing is, and Him is pretty sure that, with enough Essence, he and Them can bust through and make it to the Marches again. Unfortunately, that's just the first step, and it's a big one, so Him is always willing to entertain another option. Something has to be done, soon. It's not just the fact that these demon buggers are still sort of looking for Them. That's not the worst problem. No, the worst problem is the alligators: the goddamned sewer albino alligators. They're up to their mandibles in the critters. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 03:14:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Rhodri James Subject: Re: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. In article <20001213024950.4695.qmail@web1603.mail.yahoo.com>, Maurice Lane wrote: > No, the worst problem is the alligators: the goddamned > sewer albino alligators. > They're up to their mandibles in the critters. I *thought* I was handling this one. Then I inhaled at the wrong moment. Trust me, the world does not need tea that can be inserted nasally. Good one, Moe. - -- Rhodri James *-* Wildebeeste herder to the masses If you don't know who I work for, you can't misattribute my words to them ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:37:30 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Sun-Cross >Leila: > >What, no "Restricted" notations? Or did I miss it on the Kyriotates? Err. Completely forgot about restrictions. In fact, I added them in on all the Choirs except Ofanite, Malakite, and Grigori, since most of them are resonance enhancements. >The Seraphim is weird. Beliefs don't necessarily _have_ a Truth. Either >the belief they sense is the one that the person held, or it's not... Not sure how to clarify this. Basically, a Seraph gets what the person believes to be a true answer to the question "Why did you say that?" and then they can resonate it if they choose. Ex.1: Seraph: "Have you seen a gathering of men with guns in the vicinity?" Joe: "Nope." *Seraph resonance* He's lying. *Seraph of Redemption attunement* ...because he thinks you're a cop. Now, of course, it's up to the player to decide whether Joe just doesn't like cops, or might be a member of the group in question... and whether it'd be ethical to play on this belief. ;^) Ex.2: Jill: "I'm hopeless at baseball." *Seraph of Redemption Attunement* ...which she says because she thinks girls aren't supposed to be good at sports. *Seraph resonance on attunement* ...but she's lying to herself about that, and deep down she knows it. The point of the Attunement was to offer the Seraph a direction of attack to lead someone to a Truth they might be ready to accept. >The Cherub one is _awfully_ powerful for only 10 Gpoints. O:> Upped to 20. I was trying to find a sensible approximation among spells or the like, but the only ones I could find were things like Telecontrol with No Roll Required yet restricted to one tiny purpose, which I had no idea how to estimate. There might be a spell somewhere (Restrain Person sounds reasonable) but I don't have a Grimoire on hand. >Malakim are _only_ 25 Gpoints?? When they're wandering around with >quasi-Cherub perceptions for _all_ their fellow Servitors? AND something >akin to the Malakim of Creation? EEEE! Hm. Quasi-Cherub? That's not good. Stripped, and left to the NLW bonus alone. >The Kyriotate one is a little unclear -- the Kyrio can send a dreamlike >impression of what it's doing in the host's body? Yeah. It's like the memory a Shedim leaves, only clearer, and with no impression that the host himself wanted to do these things, at least at the time. Any behavior change is purely upon post-possession analysis(possibly prodded a bit by the Kyrio close by). >Why is the Mercurian one time-limited? Do they _get_ the skill in >question for the duration? I think it would be simple enough to say >they get a "snapshot" which may or may not be accurate over time. They actually get the skill, and the time-limitation was added in to keep the Mercurians from quickly acquiring a vast array of skills. (They have the usual chance afterward to remember why they did what they did.) Also, I've added that the knowledge is at the group's average level of expertise. >The Bright Lilim one is kind of confusing to me as to exactly who's feeling >what about which. O:> The Bright actually feels the responses, in a dim kind of way, as if she were with the target; the target merely knows what the Bright would have felt in the situation. *tonguebite* These all seem to need clarification... maybe I should give them a good long look and rewrite them. Fortunately, the concepts seem to have passed muster. >If Dominic catches her adopting Grigori, he's going to start a trial rolling. >They're Outcast for a _reason_... O:> Hm. Does just handing out an attunement count as adoption? The whole thing's easy enough to strike, if it is -- she doesn't want to break any laws, despite her definite Opinion on the Outcasting of the Watchers. How far do you think she could push it, in canon? (Especially considering that she's already been in one trial; see "Dealings with Judgment" at the bottom of the page. It's why I asked about Dominic and defenses or mitigation earlier on the list.) >Silver Lining is an almost direct version from the Captain of the Third >Choice Freedom Distinction in FotM, did you know? No, I didn't, and it's interesting. *ponder* I may change it. OTOH, Leila definitely has History with Lilith, so it may be appropriate. I want there to hints of Freedom and Fire here and there; in fact, the "Purifier" alternate persona plays on the latter. >>Chance of Invocation: 10(40 points, GURPS), 6(IN) > >That's a majorly high IN Invocation target number. The highest to date, >IIRC, are 4s... Though you do note that it's because she doesn't have >many people to keep an eye on... I chose these deliberately to provide some of the flavor of working in a small organization. On the one hand, you're low on resources like Tethers. On the other hand, you rate some personal attention from the Boss(which is *usually* a good thing... ;^) ). >>Beth, you may want to take a look particularly at the Sample Servitors; >>Terreniah was built in standard IN as a Word-Bound, then converted to G:IN >>format, with no attempt at point-balancing, and Sam was created with 100 >>customization points as per the recommended method in G:IN, then converted >>to standard IN without a clear knowledge of whether I was being >>point-balanced or not. > >Sam converts out to 25 points, and would normally get 36, but you've >forgotten to convert his Roles. (Roles convert directly -- they come in 6 >levels.) Is he using the same vessel for each Role? That would probably >get him closer. In G:IN terms, he has no Role whatsoever, as he's not likely to be doing much violence or destruction in his line of work. He has two Alternate Identities which both point to one Vessel. If I knew how much Roles cost in IN, I'd give him these Roles at whatever points would balance things -- gardener by day, suicide hotline-worker by night, angel in the twilight hours. >Dissonance Conditions are sort of associated with the state change of >Superiors, in IN. I mean, you can tack one onto a Word, especially a >powerful one, but it's generally a royal pain in the tuchas to figure >out yet MORE "New Stuff" for Word-bound... Okay, it's ditched. I want Sun-Cross to be as compatible with canon as possible. >>If I have everything right, a Servitor of Redemption would add >>points to the 100 before customizing? > >Urrrrr.... I'd look at the stuff in GIN, but I have an awake baby on my lap >right now... Walter's the more mechanics-minded of us, anyway. Oh... wait. Sign confusion. I think I get it now. #7 on the character creation checklist on p.17 of G:IN says to "add" your Superior Cost, but this is gamer-speak, and what it means is to subtract it -- a negative Superior Cost is essentially a disadvantage which adds points for customization, whereas, say a Superior with an easy Dissonance Condition who's readily available, and thus a positive Superior Cost, will cause fewer points for customization. Heh. Sam's 30 points over budget, then. *putter, putter* ST to 13, DX to 13, and I don't think that changes anything but the GURPS Driving and Judo skills, and nothing in the conversion. There. All better. >--Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. >"She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." William ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:10:04 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Jeez, this is annoying... Not to mention slightly embarrassing. A while back (about how far back, I can't remember, but I _think_ it wasn't more than three months ago), I posted a Kronos miniseed (library reorg/winnowing of deadwood): I completely neglected to copy and paste it to Word afterwards, so I actually don't have a copy. Does anybody remember the month that particular one showed up? I've already tried to do an archive search, but "Kronos" and "seed" aren't exactly rarely used around here. :) Morgan (SAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of "Next time, type it out in Word _first_." WHAMM! "Next time, type it out in Word _first_." WHAMM! "Next time, type it out in Word _first_." WHAMM! ... ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:15:44 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Jeez, this is annoying... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 11:10 PM Subject: IN> Jeez, this is annoying... > A while back (about how far back, I can't remember, > but I _think_ it wasn't more than three months ago), I > posted a Kronos miniseed [snip] > Does anybody remember the month that particular one > showed up? November 14th. The copy I kept of it has been forwarded to you via e-mail. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:17:09 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Did some one write a Song of Time? Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:45:49 -0500From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Did some one write a Song of Time? At 12:47 PM 12/12/00, you wrote: >>I vaguely remember one being written up and sent to >>the list. Have I gone mad or am I remembering >>actual events? >The two are not mutually exclusive. However, you are >remembering actual events. Follows the post from >Maurice Lane (natch) from September 28 of this year. >I am reposting without permission, although I have a >feeling that Moe will forgive me just this once. No, actually I'm going to hold my breath and pout*. :) Seriously, that reminds me: anyone do a minor Choir of Yves yet?** :) Moe *Just kidding. Normally, I'd just direct people to the webpage, but it ain't working for some reason. Possibly some kind of maintenance going on. I hope. **Before you ask, I was going to write up a minor Choir/Band set of Yvesian/Kronoser time-travelers, but Ben's exhibition got put on hold and I never got around to it. I like doing them, but the sheer labork involved usually means that I'm too lazy to work out any unless I'm under a deadline, or something. :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1968 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.