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in_nomine-digest     Wednesday, December 13 2000     Volume 01 : Number 1969



In this digest:

   Re: IN> Jeez, this is annoying...
   Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals...
   IN> Re: Dark Bright
   IN> The Most annoying Ethereal
   IN> Grey Celestials
   Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine
   Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals...
   IN> brief questions
   IN> IN-Some background source quotes?
   IN> Sock Hop (with occasional gunplay)
   Re: IN> brief questions
   Re: IN> (Insert Guitar Riff here)
   Re: IN> Re: Dark Bright
   IN> Dietary Requirements
   Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals...
   Re: IN> IN-Some background source quotes?
   Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine
   Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine
   Re: IN> Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN>Weirdquestion))
   Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN> Weirdquestion))
   Re: IN> brief questions
   IN> Angelic Check Digit Tables?
   IN> LIL1: Alaemon

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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 23:44:30 -0600
From: "Tafka J." <tafkaj@thrifty.net>
Subject: Re: IN> Jeez, this is annoying...

At 9:10 PM -0800 12/12/00, Maurice Lane wrote:
> Does anybody remember the month that particular one showed up?

   Yes.

   You can thank me _after_ you sign on the dotted line with your _own_ blood.

   . o O (Dread Princess Beth, get the angel-quill ready. . .  Not to
mention the irons.  One author-to-be coming right up!)

   (Lilim may have their Geases, but Balakim have contracts. . .)

Be seeing you,

- - Tafka J. <tafkaj@thrifty.net>
= Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur
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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 00:27:12 -0500
From: damienw@juno.com
Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals...

On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 17:26:40 -0800 (PST) Michael Walton
<thunderdog_sa@yahoo.com> writes:
> 
> --- damienw@juno.com wrote:
> >  Whereas They just might be Gi-ants.
> 
>   Cease these ant-ics at once!

  Sorry, I c-an't.

  (Say, IS there a Demon of Punnery? No, worse yet... is
an *ANGEL* of Punnery possible?)

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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 22:12:25 -0800 (PST)
From: N O <hbox2@excite.com>
Subject: IN> Re: Dark Bright

<de-lurk>

mmmmmmmmmmmmm..... Dark Bright........ (sorry, my Haagenti tendancies are
showing) Can I borrow it for a little while? That little vignette is just
SCREAMING out for a campaign all its own. Especially if you toss in the
newly submitted ArchAngel of Redemption, sprinkle liberally with the whole
courtly love for Blandine bit, add a little bit of a few Minor choirs, add a
dash of cayenne pepper and some...  seem to be channelling a little Haagenti
again...

I wonder how you would do Malilim?





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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 01:32:42 -0500
From: "Charles Phipps" <tcp@zoomnet.net>
Subject: IN> The Most annoying Ethereal

Agent Fox Mulder

Cor-2 Str-4 Agi-4
Eth-2 Int-6 Pre-2
Cel-3 Will-7 Per-5

Vessel: David Duchovney look alive 2/ (+1 Charisma +2 Sex Appeal)

Role: Fox Mulder 3/ (JUST enough people will give him latitude to make it
easier)

Skills: Computer Operation 1/, Driving 2/, Fast Talk 3/, Ranged Weapon
(Handgun 2/), Fighting 2/, Dodging 2/, Law Enforcement 2/, Lying 1/, Occult
Lore 5/, Psychology 2/, Running 2, Seduction 1/, Tracking 4/

Songs: Song of Healing (Corporeal 4/)

Artifact: Holy FBI issue 3/ (2 clips, one ethereal and one celestial)

Attunements: None yet

Rites:

* Have someone believe his insane theories as the truth

* Wear, Watch, or talk about something X-files-ish related for an hour

* Investigate something "Spooky" and solve it

Agent Fox Mulder appeared awhile back in the Ethereal Marches and no one
paid him much mind as they'res a real large assortment of heroes in in the
Marches really from Sherlock Holmes to Ash from the Evil Dead films who give
people more of a hard time than some cheap "quasi-cop show based on theory"
however Fox Mulder has unfortunately proven himself possibly the most
irritating Ethereal to both sides of the Marches in some time.  It basically
started with the fact that Mulder is a freaking curious little cuss and
everytime something weird happened nearby he'd end up investigating it and
for the most part the Malakim of Dreams didn't have the heart to toss some
poor girl's fantasy lover escaped from a dream (Malakim of dreams don't
watch much Prime time and his search for "Samantha" was misconstrued) back
to the Far Marches when all he wanted to do was help.

Several near scrapes with death later and hooking up with his cast of lesser
Ethereals and a group of servitors of the War and he's managed to make
himself a bit of an irritant to the Sword servitors hunting him down on
Earth and off and Beleth's servitors whom he's managed to kill actually a
fair number of both nightmare spawned and even a few hellborn....which is
intolerable given he's not even a legendary hero....but he's been lucky.

A servitor of Nybbas caught wind of this annoying literal Ethereal and
started applying pressure at his position at Fox (currying favor with Beleth
has long been a desire of Nybbas's servitors as the cancellation of Star
Trek and modifying of it from Gene Rodenbury's vision repeatably showed) and
Mulder's recent abduction was the perfect example of it...and his suicide a
few seasons back which nearly destroyed him like Conan Doyle's "The Final
Problem" nearly did the ethereal spirit of Holmes.  However Mulder like many
ethereals decided not to take it lying down like the pagan gods (when you
hear the Purity Crusade from the Angel's point of view, ethereal gods get
the shaft one way or the other) or any number of Buffy the Vampire Slayer
(poor gal) characters who were mutilated by Nybbas's works.

Jumping across the marches with the help of the War, Fox Mulder is tracking
down Chris Carter and intends to fully have a conversation with his creator
and his character as well....unfortunately as Dominic and really every angel
whose spent any time with Ethereals knows....you can't change the essential
nature of a dream without changing it....nor divert it from it's efforts to
promote that dream.  Fox in his attempt to find Chris, David, and Gillian
has shown a marked inability to avoid getting involved in the War....and
visit every crop circle from Washington D.C. to Vancouver to California back
to Vancouver. This includes also a number of weirdness magnets that he's
managed to pick up (his servants) and even a rapbid fan whose chronicalling
his adventures as "fan fic".

Michael is of course very pleased and Dominic is annoyed because Fox managed
to save one of his triads and get out before he was recognized (Seraphim
don't watch much prime time either)....he's not sure which is worse, the
embarassment of the fact they were saved by him or the embarassment they
were that out of touch with the Corporeal Symphony or the fact he's going to
have to bring this up positively in the trial....

IF HE CAN EVER CATCH HIM

Current Prodjects include finding a Angel named Samantha (It really ticks
him off he gave up the quest to find her and Fox is struggling to deny it).

- -Charlemagne

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:22:32 
From: "Perry Lloyd" <perrylloyd@hotmail.com>
Subject: IN> Grey Celestials

Grey Celestials (or, the Resonanceless)

This idea came to me upon reflecting on the fact that in INS/MV celestials 
do not possess Resonances.  The distinction between angels and demons is 
fundamental in that they start with different starting Skill points 
(angels:8,demons:12) and different starting Characteristic totals 
(angels:20,demons:18), inherently angels are more resiliant than demons 
(divide damage by 2 for demons, by 3 for angels), and of course angels and 
demons have different political alliances (words).

However in In Nomine things are . . . different.  Although it is stated in 
the series that demons fledge at 7 forces whereas angels fledge at 9 forces, 
barring resonance and poltical alignment (word), angels and demons appear to 
be very similar.

Perhaps too similar.

It has been stated that angels all share the Symphony of God and that demons 
each possess their own Symphony.

What of a Celestial being that possessed no Symphony?  What if resonance is 
only a feature of Celestials who were made to be reflections of God, a 
feature which became twisted in those turned away from their Creator?

And what of Yves, he who appears to be without choir.  Does he not possess a 
Resonance?  Perhaps there might be others like him, souls pure and 
unfettered by the power and restrictions that comes with Resonance.

There are rumored to exist celestial beings who are not bound by a choir or 
band, who exist outside of heaven and hell.  Who are they?  What are they 
capable of?  Do they exist except as a rumor?

I see many applications of this idea.

First, I think of Superiors competing to control/make servitors of any and 
all of the Resonanceless they can, and that the PCs are the first to 
encounter them.
  (a) where did they come from? are there more like them where they came 
from?
  (b) who made them?  has a Superior discovered how to shape a celestial 9+ 
forces without a choir or band?

Second, I think of the possibility of newbie players creating Resonanceless 
characters, encountering Angels and/or Demons, and having to pick a side.  
Obviously, the arguements of both sides will need to be presented.

Third, I think of the PCs starting off as Resonanceless celestials who will 
eventually need to pick a band/choir.  (In fact, starting off Resonanceless 
would be the norm in Heaven and in Hell.)  In this setting, those with a 
Resonance would have higher status (and also more natural power).  PCs could 
chose to remain Resonanceless or accept the power and limitations that come 
with Resonance status.

Fourth, a resonanceless class, I feel, makes way for native creatures of the 
Celestial realm which are neither angel or demon, but a grey neutral, such 
as the natives of the Ethereal Marches, but on a different scale.  Celestial 
Dragons to be ridden by Calabim, giant Snakes to be kept at bay outside the 
Pearly Gates.  And, in general, something that's more of a challenge to 
Celestials other than /more/ Celestials.

Yes, there are already those celestial beings without resonance, Relievers 
and Imps, but their choice of Songs is limited, as is their total forces.  
This proposes the idea of starting PC powerful beings which are celestial 
yet possess no Resonance.  Grey Celestials refers to the idea that these 
beings may have come from a part of the Celestial realm which is neither 
Heaven nor Hell.  Alternatively, these could beings which have been created 
by a Superior with a certain purpose in mind . . .

Adventure Seed (and a fairly simple one at that):

PCs are on a routine mission, ferret out good/evil and "fix it", when beings 
with strange abilties and even stranger "Celestial Forms" are discovered.

Further investigation leads them to discover that these beings are 
apparently mentally unstable, but also capable of great destructive power 
without disturbing the Symphony.

How will their respective Superiors handle the situation?  Politics come 
into the picture almost certainly as will Heaven/Hell conflict over 
controlling them (if they aren't already being directed by one side or ther 
other).

Possiblilities:
* they were the creation of Vapula and were being secretly tested out on 
Earth

* they were created by Eli and appear to be simply running amok (or /are/ 
they?)

* they represent some sort of unpredicted human evolution (except for Yves 
and Kronos, of course)

* they represent some sort of unpredicted /ethereal/ evolution . . .

* perhaps beings from another dimension . . . a dimension the PCs will be 
sent to explore.

- -Perry, Kyriotate of Flowers serving Creation and sometimes Tannael, 
Archangel of Tea . . .

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:29:03 
From: "Perry Lloyd" <perrylloyd@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine

>First, we were going to include the number crunching in the text. That kind
>of bloated the entries. Then we were going to have an appendix. Then we
>were going to have a 3-col 6-point type appendix. Then SJ and Kromm
>agreed that no, they didn't really want to add about 10 more pages to the
>already-huge (it's like #3-#5 in Biggest GURPS Sourcebook land) tome. So
>it's going to be on the web.

i see.

> >Argh . . . -sigh-  As a gear head
> >and number cruncher, I am saddened deeply.
>
>Look at it this way -- the crunchy numbers will be available for free.

true . . . and all I'll need to do is have my book taken apart and rebound 
with the extra pages!  Awesome!  I can have it leatherbound if I want.  :)

>The _final_ point values are in there, of course, and you may well be
>able to back-convert...

Uh, yeah.  Maybe.  More like guess back work.

> >Dude, I'm getting the book in a matter of weeks . . . this GURPS player 
>will
> >see and then . . . so shall you learn of what I see.
>
>Ooooo.

hey now.  :)

- -Perry

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:22:56 -0500
From: Earl Wajenberg <earlw@mc.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals...

Whistling in the Dark wrote:

> By those lights... a powerful Ethereal could be... "They." You know
> -- They say this, They say that. You know what They say.

I have sometimes thought that "They" should be considered the 
Fourth Person Plural.  The Fourth Person Singular is "It" as 
in "It's raining," and all other weather phenomena.

Actually, the nearly-featureless Auditors of Reality, described 
by Terry Pratchett in "Reaper Man" and "Hogfather" are a pretty 
good depiction of the Great Grey They, at least in an inimical 
mood.

(For those haven't read those books, the Auditors would prefer 
a totally inanimate universe and find people, in particular, 
distasteful.  They appear as grey robes with nothing inside them. 
When they communicate, you find yourself remembering words that 
you are not hearing.  If any of them act with any personal 
feeling, they instantly disappear; this tends to keep them in 
line.)

Earl

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:35:37 -0000
From: "cassandra benner" <casiopia@hotmail.com>
Subject: IN> brief questions

hiya, some one mentioned minor choir of yves.
i got an idea in my head, but there are a couple of things i need to know 
first.

1- what is the hebrew or latin word for _epiphany_
2- what choir was raphael
3- what choir is litheroy.

once i got theses things sorted then i can put all my thoughts to pc then to 
list.



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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:34:03 +0100
From: "Philippe Bolay" <zhx408c@tninet.se>
Subject: IN> IN-Some background source quotes?

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:44:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Maurice Lane <moelane_1999@yahoo.com>
Subject: IN> Sock Hop (with occasional gunplay)

Being a Fashion Victim doesn't do anything for your
resume.  The rest of the Media casually treats you and
your 'friends' as handy flunkies, scapegoats and
punching bags, figuring (accurately) that you don't
have the contacts or energy to do anything about it. 
And as for complaining to Nybbas... go right ahead. 
The Prince of the Media likes it when idiots make
themselves obvious: it helps to improve the breed.

However, every so often you get a Victim who isn't
part of the regular mold.  The current example is
Becky Sue, an Lilim who loved the 1950s solely because
the clothes looked good on her.  When the fashions
changed, she gravitated to the Victims as part of a
subtle, cunning plan.

That's what she says, at least.

Waiting for just the right psychological moment to
spring a revival was difficult, especially when that
mini-fad of a decade or so back was going on.  It was
too early, though:  Becky Sue didn't have her ducks
all in a row yet.  She does now.

Thanks to the judicious accumulation of Geas/1 and
/2s, Becky has a startlingly large number of holds on
a large cross-section of Hollywood stars (mostly
gathered when they weren't, and in the habit of
tormenting a certain intern/flunky/groupie/whatever). 
Now, the Media's pretty careful to not let random
Lilim get their hands on hot properties, but can you
do with a lower level Geas, anyway?

You can make it hard to refuse a party invite, that's
what.  Becky Sue has set up a typical Hollywood
bloated extravaganza party.  The theme is the 1950s,
and everybody's stuck wearing the clothes, listening
to the music and dancing the dances.  Supermodels with
beehives, leading men with pompadours, the whole nine
yards.  it should have a interesting effect on popular
culture, especially since, thanks to the Geas, she's
got an impressive guest list.  

These things skyrocket on their own, of course: once a
few get 'invited', everyone else who's somebody (or
thinks they are) will do _anything_ to get on the
list.  Becky's actually _collecting_ Geas for this
thing by now, something she finds highly ironic - and
useful.  When it's all over, she'll have a name as a
player, and will be able to use it to get a real job
in the Media (and dump her fellow Victims in the
progress.  The clothes don't look _that_ good on her).

Good plan, but just a couple of wrinkles.  First,
there's a really annoyed Baron out there who isn't
happy that _his_ little showcase event has just been
upstaged.  Nybbas finds the whole thing amusing, so he
can't just kill her, but he can pick up a phone to his
favorite Lilim and trade in one of the favors she owes
him for the name and contact info for a roving pack of
Magpies.  

Said Magpies really liked the idea of crashing a party
full of rich people with rich stuff and generally
acting like a bunch of 1950s bikers from 1950s B-grade
biker movies.  They've even took the time to get the
bikes, appropriate cool leather jackets (with the name
'Just Hell's' stiched on the back in red silk,
naturally), and grow sideburns.  The rumble should
make for great film, especially since the Magpies have
been told to not kill anybody.  Take everything that
moves, rack up the property damage, Charm the living
Hell out of appropriate film stars and whisk them away
to torrid (and career-enhancing) trysts... but don't
kill them.  The Fashion Victims will have their hands
full.  Not to mention any loyal Servitors of the Media
around who need to see off these hoodlums.

But that's not the really funny part.  Unfortunately,
nobody's considered the fact that, since the events of
the False Trumpet, LA isn't quite a demon-only city
anymore.  The angel slated to host the next gathering
at the Eighth Virtue wants to demonstrate this, fairly
clearly.  He's already got the bar chosen... six
blocks from Becky Sue's party.  

Guess what night all the Malakim are flying in?

Moe

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:40:17 -0800
From: "Sean McCarthy" <thealien@dangerzone.org>
Subject: Re: IN> brief questions

Litheroy is a Seraph.

Raphael was, I think, an Elohite.  I am not sure.

I do not speak either of those languages...

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:15:48 -0500
From: Marc Bowden <ryumo@merit.edu>
Subject: Re: IN> (Insert Guitar Riff here)

- --On Tuesday, December 12, 2000 17:29 -0800 Maurice Lane 
<moelane_1999@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:23:48 -0500From: Marc Bowden
> <ryumo@merit.edu>
> Subject: Re: IN> (Insert Guitar Riff here)
> - --On Monday, December 11, 2000 19:53 -0800 Maurice
> Lane <moelane_1999@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> He _so_ badly wanted the soul of Buddy Holley...>
>>  Oh, just shoot me NOW.... =)
>> Marc. Just Marc.
>> Elohite Angel of Salvation
>> (Speechless)
>
> Hmmm... is that a _good_ "shoot me now", or a bad one,
> I wonder?
>

  A *good* "shoot me now." Humor. Joke. Levity. Breezy chatter. You 
know.

> Oh well, emotional response is the important thing*...
> *(peering at .sig)
> Oh.  Erm.  Uh.
> Ahh ... Sorry?

  S'okay. It's only dissonant if I let my emotional reaction make me 
shoot myself in the head or something. Powers *do* have a sense of 
humor, you know! Sheesh....

Marc. Just Marc.
Elohite Angel of Salvation
("And I *liked* Buddy Holly.")

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:54:41 -0500
From: Elizabeth McCoy <emccoy@nh.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Re: Dark Bright

At 10:12 PM -0800 12/12/00, N O wrote:
><de-lurk>
>
>mmmmmmmmmmmmm..... Dark Bright........ (sorry, my Haagenti tendancies are
>showing) Can I borrow it for a little while? That little vignette is just
>SCREAMING out for a campaign all its own. 

It is? Oooo, good. I was just doing a character study, really. (And much
thanks to those of y'all who are appreciating it!)  Sure, borrow away!

If it works out, tell me 'bout it? O:>

>I wonder how you would do Malilim?

<blinks curiously> Hrm?


- --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos.
"I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!"

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:18:53 -0500
From: Earl Wajenberg <earlw@mc.com>
Subject: IN> Dietary Requirements

My impression is that different Ethereals have different needs 
regarding humanity and Essence:

Some, notably gods, need to be worshipped, which presumably 
sends them Essence, or they fade away.

Some, notably "realized fictions," just need engage a lot of 
interest, attention, or emotion, or they fade away.

Some don't need anything from outside sources.  These, I think, 
are called "primal spirits."

Is this correct?  Is there more elaboration to the system?
Is there any rationale given for why gods need worship rather 
than just interest?  How much of this is canon and how much 
*will* be canon if the Ethereal Player's Guide ever sees light?

Earl

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:14 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman)
Subject: Re: IN> Some of the most powerful Ethereals...

damienw@juno.com blasphemed:

> (Say, IS there a Demon of Punnery? No, worse yet... is
> an *ANGEL* of Punnery possible?)

Same guy. He's a bit of a yo-yo. Anyone who causes so many angels to want 
to hit him has trouble staying up; anyone who so keenly wants to amuse 
demons has trouble staying down. Kobal thinks it's hilarious. It's not 
quite clear which Archangel he comes under when he's up, but Christopher 
and Yves keep claiming it's the other one. 

- --- 
John Dallman                                     jgd@cix.co.uk

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:51:55 -0500
From: Earl Wajenberg <earlw@mc.com>
Subject: Re: IN> IN-Some background source quotes?

Philippe Bolay wrote:

> Now, does anyone have some quotes from various
> texts where those have been mentioned?

Cherubim are mentioned in Genesis, in the scene where Adam 
and Eve are expelled from the Garden of Eden.  They are mentioned 
in the greatest detail at the beginning of Ezekiel.  If the 
Ophanim are mentioned _as_angels_, it's here, too.

Seraphim are mentioned in Isaiah 6.

Michael is described as an archangel in Jude 1, and the term is 
used in 1 Thessalonians 4.

No other choir is mentioned in the Bible in any unambiguous way.

That's a start.

Earl

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:59:09 -0500
From: Elizabeth McCoy <emccoy@nh.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine

At 7:29 AM -0500 12/13/00, Perry Lloyd wrote:
>>First, we were going to include the number crunching in the text. [...]
>> Then SJ and Kromm
>>agreed that no, they didn't really want to add about 10 more pages to the
>>already-huge (it's like #3-#5 in Biggest GURPS Sourcebook land) tome. So
>>it's going to be on the web.
>
>i see.

There are a lot of numbers. And they are very crunchy. And when I conked
out last night, ze spouse was up to about Asmodeus in reviewing the text,
and remarking that the later entries ought to go faster since he'd gotten
a better feel for how he was structuring entries by that time.

>> >Argh . . . -sigh-  As a gear head
>> >and number cruncher, I am saddened deeply.
>>
>>Look at it this way -- the crunchy numbers will be available for free.
>
>true . . . and all I'll need to do is have my book taken apart and rebound 
>with the extra pages!  Awesome!  I can have it leatherbound if I want.  :)

Oooooo, that'd be purty!

>>The _final_ point values are in there, of course, and you may well be
>>able to back-convert...
>
>Uh, yeah.  Maybe.  More like guess back work.

Well, true. And remember that some, like the Laurence's Just Say NO 
Distinction, are New Powers.

>> >Dude, I'm getting the book in a matter of weeks . . . this GURPS player 
>>will
>> >see and then . . . so shall you learn of what I see.
>>
>>Ooooo.
>
>hey now.  :)

I'm just hopin', that's all...

- --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos.
"I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!"

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:29:54 -0500
From: Elizabeth McCoy <emccoy@nh.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine

At 11:59 AM -0500 12/13/00, Elizabeth McCoy wrote:

>There are a lot of numbers. And they are very crunchy. And when I conked
>out last night, ze spouse was up to about Asmodeus in reviewing the text,
>and remarking that the later entries ought to go faster since he'd gotten
>a better feel for how he was structuring entries by that time.

And you know, he _finished_ it whilst I slept!

http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/books/in-nomine/mechanics/ is now up and
running. (The ice storm damage that had io.com/sjgames.com down for over
12 hours is apparently fixed, too.)


- --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos.
"I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!"

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:16:17 -0600
From: "Cthulhu" <Cthulhu@vorlonempire.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN>Weirdquestion))

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From: "Jason Schneiderman"<jadasc@ma.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re:
IN>Weirdquestion))
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:19:50 -0500

>>Ah. It would be complicated by the fact that the name should be "Mary
>>Sue." Not Mary Jane. My apologies, all.
>
>Oh! That, I recognize. Carry on.. ;)

I still don't, but at least now I'm slightly less confused and I've gotten
spiderman out of my head...

Cthulhu

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:23:25 -0600
From: "Cthulhu" <Cthulhu@vorlonempire.com>
Subject: Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN> Weirdquestion))

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From: "Prodigal"<prodigal@ticnet.com>
Subject: Re: New adventure seed (WAS: Re: Lilith Tangent (Re: IN>
Weirdquestion))
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:46:24 -0600

>From: "Cthulhu" <Cthulhu@vorlonempire.com>
>>
>> From: "Whistling in the Dark"<in-sabre@annotations.com>
>>
>> >At 9:28 PM -0600 12/11/00, Prodigal wrote:
>> >>Mary Elizabeth Jenkins
>> >
>> >Mary Elizabeth? Not Mary Jane? I'm so disappointed. <g>
>>
>> Mr Burns. You're not paying attention.... :-)
>>
>> I don't know about Mary (other than the whole mother-og-some-god thing),
>> but Elizabeth _does_ mean word/vow-of-God.
>>
>> Shocking to think you'd missed that one.
>
>But nice to see that I managed to come up with something that had even more
>layers of meaning than originally intended.
>
>I actually chose Elizabeth because it made her Mary El. ;;;)

*whimper*
*whimper*
*whimper*

Just when I start thinking I'm up to the level of some people on this
list...

Brilliant.

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:32:13 -0500
From: Elizabeth McCoy <emccoy@nh.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: IN> brief questions

At 9:35 AM +0000 12/13/00, cassandra benner wrote:

>1- what is the hebrew or latin word for _epiphany_

Urm.... Dunno.

>2- what choir was raphael

Elohite.

>3- what choir is litheroy.

Seraph.


- --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos.
"I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!"

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:47:02 -0500
From: Elizabeth McCoy <emccoy@nh.ultranet.com>
Subject: IN> Angelic Check Digit Tables?

http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/books/in-nomine/img/IN_Check_Digits.pdf .

Amusingly, they're not in degree of success, as GURPS has, but using the
CHECK DIGIT tables. All on one sheet (well, except for Ofanim and
Kyrios who don't use tables), in PDF, real purty. Grabbit before it moves...


- --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com  In Nomine Line Editor
RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ 

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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:36:04 -0500
From: Whistling in the Dark <in-sabre@annotations.com>
Subject: IN> LIL1: Alaemon

ALAEMON
Lilithian Prince of Intelligence

"The world is information; he who controls the flow of information
controls the flow of the world."

You ask me why I agreed to Lilith's price? How could I not agree? I
could feel myself dying, no matter what I did. I could feel the Word
within me ebbing away. Lilith came to me, under the pretext of
spending one of the Geases we have established between us. But once
together, we talked, and she made some interesting propositions.

We had never been close before, and I'll admit I didn't trust her. I
don't trust her. But she knew things... things that were close and
precious, and she told me. And told me she needed someone. Someone to
be her eyes and ears, and her whisper in the night. And how could I
not agree, with the only possible alternative being death. No, I did
not trust her, but I accepted what she offered.

And now? Now I am stronger than I have ever been before. At last, I
am completely beyond the accursed Litheroy's power, with a Word he
cannot touch lest he damage his own. My strength is growing, my
organization is waxing, and the implications of my Word are
staggering.

What could she possibly be playing at? And how am I supposed to repay
such a debt? Servitude? That is simple, and Lilith is not simple. But
for now I serve, and we shall see.

*** *** ***

Alaemon hasn't merely been stabilized -- he has been drastically Word
promoted. Intelligence is more than espionage, even if that's the
reason he was given the Word. Intelligence is more than data -- than
Secrets -- even if that's the original source of his strength.
Intelligence is the power of the mind, and the capacity of the mind
to know things, and the things a mind might know, and the trading of
that information between those minds... Intelligence can be so many
things, and he has been given dominion over them all.

It *is* worth noting the old D&Dism. Intelligence is *not* Wisdom.
And Alaemon has not become wise. His paranoia has grown, seeing the
Game, Judgement and War in every contact. He now fights his cold war
on many fronts, and never trusts anyone at all. Not even Lilith or
his allies among the Lilithian Princes. *Especially* not Lilith and
his allies among the Lilithian Princes.

The Conspiracy itself has flourished under his swelling power,
especially as defectors from the War, the Game and even Fate (which
Kronos has no comment about) swell his ranks and accept his fealty.
The Black Crescent, long his secret police, have grown into the
public face of the Conspiracy, building headquarters  in both Stygia
and a black ediface in Hades. This is useful, naturally, but also
marks the end of the Black Crescent's power base in his organization
- -- even as his old Dukes and Marquises were nothing more than a
dodge, so the Black Crescent is the public address of a secret
institution. Otherwise, the Secret Societies continue to play their
games, with only the Lodge of Gebbeleth fading to next to nothing
(Alaemon was pleased that Gebbeleth's last remaining Word-bound are
dying or have died out with Lucifer's death, and the Lodge could not
survive Gebbeleth not returning in the wake of the Morningstar's
destruction.) New Societies are growing as well. The more things
change....

Alaemon is most pleased to accept Gamesters, even though his normal
paranoia is magnified around them. Still, he recognizes that he is
replacing the Game, and so powerful (or more valuably, well
*informed*) Game Servitors are an invaluable part of that process. As
with all Servitors he accepts, he wipes them clean of Attunements and
Distinctions before giving them some of his own -- though it has
become clear he covets the Humanity attunement, and while he won't
let a Gamester keep it (too hard to track, to easy to have the
Servitor's loyalties stay divided) he has captured a few Game demons
for experimentation. It is likely that Alaemon's association with
Vapula is connected to this work.

******

(Please note that the following only applies to Alaemish who have
been 'adapted' by Alaemon to the Lilithian Word of Intelligence.
There are still Alaemish with attunements from the Luciferian Word of
Secrets. Also, Alaemon does not completely eliminate his old
Luciferian attunements among his Servitors (certain favored Servitors
might have *both* his Band Attunements -- the old and the new. As
always, Servitors of the Luciferian Word of Secrets have their old
attunements and dissonance conditions, and no access to Rites unless
otherwise specified.)

DISSONANCE

The half-truth remains the most powerful weapon in the spy's arsenal,
but it is no longer the most important principle to Alaemon. Alaemish
are now required to facilitate the flow of information up the chain
to their superiors and to Alaemon himself, and to restrict the flow
of information outside the organization. Demons of Intelligence
become dissonant if they do not report information gathered on their
missions as completely as possible (though note that they only must
report information that pertains directly to their mission.
'Extracurricular' information may be kept secret) or if they lie
about or refuse to answer any question put to them by legitimate
superiors (though certain Balseraphs get creative on such things -- a
Balseraph's successful Resonance use does not make him dissonant
unless his lie is discovered. If it is, the Balseraph will
automatically become dissonant from their Word and may potentially be
dissonant from their Band as well.) Any information that a legitimate
superior designates as classified must *not* be revealed to any
person other than that superior's superiors, however -- to do so is
dissonant. Note that for these purposes, a 'superior' may be a higher
ranking Servitor of Alaemon, a higher ranking member of the
Conspirator's Secret Society (or one of them), or even a Distincted
Demon of another Superior who has been given command of a mission.
Yes, this means it is possible to get locked between a driving need
to report and a driving need to protect classified information,
leading potentially to dissonance either way. Sometimes, it sucks to
be Alaemish.

BAND ATTUNEMENTS

Alaemon uses his Servitors -- generally -- as examples of different
covert operatives and intelligence agents.

Balseraph: (Restricted) Alaemon's Balseraphs are his general field
operatives, buried within the ranks of his enemies. When confronted
by authorities (Celestial or otherwise), they may add their Ethereal
Forces to any attempt to Resonate their confronters and convince them
they have perfect access to where they're going. When on Earth, if
they are successful, they are considered to have a Role in what they
claim to be, at CD level, for CD hours. If they *do* have such a
Role, they may *add* the effective CD to their Role's level, for CD
hours. (This can exceed 6.)

Djinn: (Restricted) Alaemon's Djinn are his couriers and his
counterintelligence operatives. They may attune themselves to a given
piece of evidence. (Note that said evidence *can* be an entry in a
database, as well as a physical thing, but must be something more
than knowledge in someone's head.) Should anyone access that evidence
by any means, without the Djinn's knowledge, the Djinn will instantly
know it has been compromised, and will further get an automatic
Resonance Roll to attune to the intruder, regardless of distance. If
successful, they may track the intruder as normal.

Calabim: (Restricted) Alaemon's Calabim are his assassins. Their
attunement is the same as per Superiors 4 p.6.

Habbalah: (Partially Restricted) The Habbalah of Intelligence are his
expert interrogators, charged with breaking the opposition's will,
breaking their spirit, breaking their information and then breaking
them entirely. They may add their Ethereal Forces to any attempt to
use any skill on a prisoner they're interrogating (Detect Lies,
Fast-Talk, even Seduction, as an example.) They may also use their
Ethereal Forces to modify their Resonance Rolls when Resonating an
Interrogation subject as a part of the process. (Habbalah like to
alternate between Sadness and Fury at the target's predicament, Love
for the Habbalite, and Emptiness when they try to muster their
emotional reserves to fight the interrogation.)

Lilim: (Restricted) Alaemon's Lilim are his Moles. This is the same
as per Superiors 4 p.7.

Shedim: (Restricted) The Shedim of Intelligence are the perfect Deep
Cover operatives. When using their Resonance to possess a victim,
they may choose to either possess them as normal, or to enter Deep
Cover. With a successful use of this attunement, a Shedite may slip
into their target's brain and sit, completely undetectable, with
access to everything the target senses and to the target's thoughts.
While in Deep Cover, the Shedite cannot communicate with his host,
and therefore can neither influence nor control his host. However, he
is exempt from his Band Dissonance Conditions, and rather than his
host gaining bonuses to detect his guest, the host has a penalty of
the Shedite's Celestial Forces to *ever* detect the Shedite. While in
Deep Cover, the Shedite can do nothing to affect the outside world,
including using other attunements or Songs, though he could still use
the Snapshot attunement to record. (And the Disturbance for the
Essence expenditure can be detected, which could lead to unwelcome
investigation.) Note that while the Deep Cover Shedite cannot be
detected, an attempt to possess the host (either through the
Kyriotate Resonance, Shedite Resonance or the Song of Possession)
will treat the host as already possessed.

Impudites: (Partially Restricted) Alaemon's Impudites are his Agent
Provocateurs. From Mata Hari to James Bond, the image of the
seductive secret agent is ingrained in popular consciousness. These
agents may add their Ethereal Forces to any skill use that
ingratiates them with others, such as Seduction or Fast-Talk. They
may also add their Ethereal Forces to any attempt to use their
Resonance to Charm a target.

SERVITOR ATTUNEMENTS:

Lilith's Document Shredder: This attunement works the same as
Lucifer's Document Shredder, Superiors 4 p.8.

Snapshot: This attunement is the ultimate concealed recorder. Within
thirty seconds of seeing an event, hearing a sound, or otherwise
sensing a moment, the Servitor may record the sights and sounds of
that moment *exactly* at a cost of 2 Essence. The event may take no
longer than thirty seconds total, but that thirty second block is
perfectly preserved in the Demon's memory. The Servitor may glance at
documents in a file, scanning over them very swiftly, and record
large sections of information with this attunement. After storing,
the Servitor may retrieve the information and place it on appropriate
media (paper for written materials, videotape or DVD for footage,
audio tape or a CD for a sound, and so forth) at a cost of 1 Essence.
This does not erase the stored snapshot. A demon may have as many
snapshots in his head as he has Ethereal Forces. If he needs to
connect more than one (in thirty second blocks), he may create one
contiguous memory for 2 Essence per thirty second block used, plus a
successful Precision Roll, at -1 for each additional block after the
first. A Servitor may 'empty' a snapshot's slot at will, without
Essence cost.

DISTINCTIONS

Knight of Espionage: Alaemon's Knights have the ability to see in
complete darkness, allowing them to read files under cover of
darkness or otherwise perform their duties without running the risk
of using lights. Printed materials they gather with the Snapshot
attunement will be reproduced properly, though video recordings
produced will be dark.

Captain of the Bureau: This is the same as Alaemon's Luciferian
Captain of Private Chambers Distinction, Superiors 4 p.8.

Baron of Her Majesty's Secret Service: (Her Majesty of course
referring to Lilith.) This is the same as Alaemon's Luciferian Baron
of the Vault Distinction, Superiors 4 p.8.

RELATIONS

With the change of his Word, Alaemon has been forced to interact with
his fellow Lilithian Princes more than was his wont before. In
particular, Kronos and his Archives are invaluable to Alaemon, and
the Prince of Intelligence was swift to curry favor with the
enigmatic Prince of Fate. Kronos himself finds Alaemon useful.
Rebekah and Vapula, both strongly bolstered by the information
Alaemon's spies can bring to them, have strongly supported Alaemon,
and he in turn has instructed his Servitors to support them -- but
always gathering information on them. Similarly, Alaemon and
Andrealphus have cultivated an understanding -- the two Impudite
Princes can see good benefit to staying close to one another. Alaemon
resents the destructive Furfur, who decimates without warning, and
works against him as much as any Lilithian Prince will oppose
another. Furfur barely notices Alaemon, in response.

One item of note is Alaemon and Beleth's lack of association or
camaradrie, when both had been Associated before Lucifer's death.
Alaemon still can see the value of the Princess of Horror, but with
the exchange of covert information now more important than the
driving need for paranoia (beyond Paranoia's role in driving mankind
to spy on one another), Alaemon has stepped away from the Princess.
In return, Beleth -- herself unhappy with her Word 'promotion,' sees
no value in cultivating such a relationship.

The Luciferian Princes, as in other cases, should be considered one
step worse than their listing in Superiors 4 -- excepting Asmodeus.
Alaemon is hostile to Asmodeus as he works to displace him.

Allied: Kronos (Rebekah and Vapula are Allied with Alaemon)
Associated: Andrealphus, Rebekah, Vapula (Andrealphus and Kronos are
associated with Alaemon)
Hostile: Furfur (No one is Hostile to Alaemon)

RITES

* Convince a person to inform on their own family (parents, children, spouse).
* Spend six hours in a classified area the demon has no right to
access without getting caught.

CHANCE OF INVOCATION: 1

INVOCATION MODIFIERS:

Alaemon is consciously emulating his Luciferian opposite number (and
enemy) by checking in with each of his Servitors personally on a
regular basis -- about once every two weeks, for now.

+1 A human with more than 170 I.Q.
+2 A currently active codebook
+3 A working Enigma machine
+4 The only eyewitness to an atrocity
+5 The complete proof explaining a global conspiracy
+6 The complete nuclear codes of a superpower
- -- 
Eric Alfred Burns - <in-sabre@annotations.com>
<http://www.annotations.com/~innomine>
Habbalite of Belaboring the Point

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