From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Dec 16 23:32:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21772 for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 23:32:52 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id XAA07181 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 23:31:57 -0600 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 23:31:57 -0600 Message-Id: <200012170531.XAA07181@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1975 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, December 16 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1975 In this digest: Re: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. Re: IN> Gabriel's attunements IN> Princess Iolanthe: Peer Opinions Re: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. Re: IN> The Angel of Parallel Universes IN> You Really Didn't Think I'd Wait Until Monday, Did You? IN> You Really Didn't Think I'd Wait Until Monday Part II IN> The Angel of Parrallel Universes IN> Mageddon Re: IN> Mageddon Re: IN> VorDark Bright... Re: IN> Mageddon IN> Liber Rumoris (resource concept) Re: IN> Someone's done this right? IN> NJ Gamers needed (and may God have mercy on your souls) Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:57:02 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. At 7:09 PM -0800 12/14/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >From: Elizabeth McCoy >>Moe, you're twisted. >>Now write up the alligators. > >Not much to say. They're alligators. They're albinos. > There's a lot of them. Nothing special about them at >all, really. > >Their _riders_, on the other hand... I don't know the Harlan story, I fear, but this is still way cool. Clearly I need more insomnia to compete. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:54:45 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Gabriel's attunements At 2:17 PM -0500 12/15/00, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >Gabriel's attunements aren't restricted. If (say) a Mercurian of Fire >receives the Ofanite's attunement, how would a GM handle that >effectively? Allow the Mercurian to detect cruelty on the run at >will? Always on? Force the Mercurian to pursue the cruel person and >punish them or receive Dissonance? If someone poked me enough to have to make a canon answer, I would say that the angel could detect that new kind of cruelty, but was not dissonance-bound to do anything about it. (They have enough on their plates with their usual targets.) However, it would give them something to do with their copious free time between regular targets. Precisely _because_ a Mercurian might be rewarded with another Choir Attunement, you see... (Wasn't there something to this effect in S3? Or am I retconning my memories?) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:57:24 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Princess Iolanthe: Peer Opinions Superior Opinions (And hers on the Superior in question.) Demon Princes: Alaemon: Someday, she'll be grown up, and I'm sure she'll do thing she doesn't want Mommy noticing. Till then... Whatever. Oogie, oogie, oogie. ( ) Andrealphus: Someday, she's going to be grown up. (Munchwings! Tasty. Nice.) Asmodeus: I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. Why are you still here? Aren't there Renegades to hunt? (Peekaboo! Peekaboo! Fun!) Baal: Troops, conscripts, servants! THIS is what we fight for! THIS is why we pit ourselves against the tyrants of Heaven! THIS is who they would destroy if they could! We must overcome them, so that the forces of Cute will be safe in the world! Let go of my sword. Let go of Baal's sword now. Please let go. You WANT to let go of my sword. Thank you. (Eyes! Shinythngs! Talknice.) Beleth: Smurf jokes to the contrary, Cute doesn't inspire terror. She is beneath notice. (Peekaboo? Munch? ) Belial: One of these days, I'll be able to smuggle some fireworks in for the kid without her mom noticing them. I'm _sure_ she'll like 'em! (Bright flickerflame! Eat?) Beth, Princess of Nitpicking: Mine. (Mommy!) Fleurity: I really don't understand why she makes such unhappy faces at me. It's not my fault! She smiles at other people... But I will prove myself worthy to be smiled at as well! (ICKY! YUCK! ) Furfur: Nnnnnnnnggggggggh! No, no, take her away! Take her away! Take her away before I can't smurfing swear anymore! AUGH! Too smurfing late! Smurfing smurfed smurf smurf smurf! AUGH! (Loud! ) Haagenti: Hey, she's _cute_, you know? And she likes tasting food, but she doesn't eat much, which means all the more for me! (Funny! Furry! Tastefood. ) Kobal: There's a joke in here somewhere, and I've got a nasty feeling it's on all of us. Heck, even if the big L-dude _did_ over-react to her, the joke's on all of us. At least she's another Impudite. And I can make faces at her and get her laughing... Ur. () Kronos: She eats books. Mangles them. And she's too... subtle. I fear someday we may have another Legion on our hands -- no, no, she won't possess thousands of humans at once. It's going to be worse. Much worse. She already... laughs. And people _like_ her. Keep her away from me! (Paper! ) Lilith: Okay, so she has simple needs. Do you have any idea how hard it is to even _think_ about fulfilling them with an overprotective Djinn hovering around her all the time? (Let alone her Servitors.) And even if one _could_ get a hook, how is one supposed to invoke it when she's... she's so... so damned... CUTE! (Pretty! Shiny! ) Malphas: I'm everyone's friend, so I'm her friend too. Right? Of course I am. (Gooey. ["Ow."]) Mammon: What a dear, sweet, little thing. I wonder if I can sell photographs of her. Maybe T-shirts. (Mmmmm, shinystuff. ) Nybbas: Oh, man, is she photogenic! And she's learned to love the camera! She looks at it and smiles! I love this kid, I really do. And she loves _me_! She watches TV already! She's fab, totally star material! (GLASSES! Yum! ) Saminga: She's... life. Young life. That's wrong. And she didn't like the zombi. And she pinched my tentacle. She is beneath my notice. (Icky. Boring!) Valefor: She's already swiping papers, pens, watches, glasses, credit cards... And once she's got something, she hangs onto it! I like this kid so much! And hey, she likes what I can give her for toys, y'know? Just gotta make sure what I give her passes the Mommy test. (Nice! Fun! Stuff in pockets! ) Vapula: She likes my inventions. Especially the ones that move and rattle and she can play with. She clearly has excellent taste. (Stuff! Tastes bad? Good? ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:48:34 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. From: "Elizabeth McCoy" > > I don't know the Harlan story, I fear, but this > is still way cool. > > Clearly I need more insomnia to compete. Find a copy of the Harlan story in question, and you'll stand a good chance of getting exactly that. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 13:28:43 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Parallel Universes - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > Eramus > Angel of Parrallel Universes *@#&%$! There was a "Sliders" Chain Reaction and I missed it! 0;> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 13:37:23 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: IN> You Really Didn't Think I'd Wait Until Monday, Did You? Aeons ("The Emanations") It's always a pleasure to watch one of the Rocks of God fight. The one before me now was faced with four Calabim, yet the way that he handled them suggested that he had faced tougher opposition in practice. I watched, invisible in the shadows, as each Destroyer in turn was humbled repeatedly. Yes, a Turelite's mastery of unarmed combat demonstrates why such fighting is called martial art. Alas, Calabim aren't known for being art lovers. It was only a matter of time before one of them drew a gun. The hardware emerged about when I expected it would. It was a high calibre revolver; trust a demon to be Freudian in his choice of weapon. I stepped into the Way just as the gun went off and I peered into the Turelite's future. As I suspected, this brave warrior's Destiny was to fall in battle... but not today. Because demons were involved, I was allowed to play a Song of Motion and will the bullet to miss my fellow angel. Unfortunately, walking the Way negated my Song of Form. I stepped back into the world fully visible and in full view of the Calabite with the revolver. "Another one!" the demon screeched, "Eat hot lead, girlie!" The gun turned on me and spat a wad of metallic death. I stepped into the Way again and inquired for myself. To my dismay, I saw that my current path to Destiny was a bloody staircase leading to my Heart. I cringed inwardly, but my soul was committed to my Lord. Even in this, I would not fail him. With a prayer on my lips, I stepped out of the Way and into the path of the bullet. The Aeons are the most ancient of the Minor Choirs. Yves claims that he did not make the first of them, but that the very thoughts of God emanated from out of the Symphony and coalesced into angels. This statement (which Seraphim read as true) is the source of the Choir's secondary name. Aeons are renowned in Heaven for their tranquility and sound advice. Sophia, the Angel of Wisdom, is also the oldest of the Emanations. There are very few Aeons; Yves no longer makes new ones except to replace those who are soul-killed. As loses due to Falls are just about made up for by gains from Redemptions, this works out just fine. Emanations won't serve any Archangel but Yves. When asked why, they say that Destiny is the only Word that suits them. The smile that results when this fact is mentioned to Yves is the closest that the Archangel of Destiny ever gets to bragging. Resonance The Resonance of Aeons is for Destiny -- or, more accurately, the path to Destiny. A successful Perception roll tells the Emanation what action is needed in order for the subject of the Resonance (which can be the angel herself) to move toward Destiny. Aeon Check Digit Results 1: You know of a specific action that needs to be taken right now. 2: You know what sort of action needs to be taken within the next few minutes. 3: As above, but you know what specific action needs to be taken. 4: As above, plus you know of something that needs to be avoided. 5: You know of several actions that need to be taken or avoided within the next few hours. 6: As above, plus you know of a single life-changing action that would take the subject much closer to fulfilling his or her Destiny. Dissonance Emanations cannot actively help others in pursuing their Destinies; to offer anything beyond advice inflicts Dissonance. The only exception to this rule is the prevention or negation of Celestial and Ethereal actions. Even then, these angels may act against the interfering immortals but not their mortal intermediaries. Aeons are also forbidden to inquire into the reasons for the courses of action that they detect. Taking matters into their own hands or questioning divine prerogatives twists an Aeon's nature and eventually turns her into an Archon. This passivity is why demons who know about Aeons refer to them as Martyrs or Sissies. Manner and Appearance Simplicity and unobtrusiveness are the hallmarks of an Aeon's Corporeal appearance. They dress in functional (but flawlessly neat) clothing in greys or earth tones and don't accessorize much. Their goal is to look average. Those who were born Aeons are equally likely to see themselves as feminine or masculine, but Redeemed Archons tend to prefer male Vessels. The attitude of calm acceptance that is common to Emanations makes them favored companions of Elohim and Menunim. Aeons are nervous around Malakim and just plain scared of Ofanim; these activist Choirs caper on the edge of what Emanations consider Dissonant. The celestial form of an Aeon is a ball of glowing water surrounded with luminous tendrils. Their musical identity is that of castanets, maracas and other instruments whose sole function is to act as accompaniment. Choir Attunement The most unique Attunement of Destiny is that of the Aeons. Yves allows them to step outside of time into a dreamlike reality of visual imagery known as the Way. While she is "walking the Way," an angel may use both her Resonance and the Divine Destiny Attunement. She may then take one action appropriate to the information gained. The angel returns from the Way to the exact moment and place that she left, but a successful Precision roll will allow her to take a single step in any unobstructed direction. A side effect of walking the Way is that Songs and Attunements of limited duration (Form, Shields, Numinous Corpus, etc.) that were active before stepping out of time are cancelled when the angel returns to the timestream. Once in the Way, an Emanation may activate such effects before stepping out again. The most time that an Aeon can spend in the Way (from the angel's point of view) is 10 seconds for each of her Celestial Forces. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 13:39:34 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: IN> You Really Didn't Think I'd Wait Until Monday Part II Archons ("The Oppressors") "I can't do it," the priest whined. His body shook like a tuning fork in time to his sobs. This sort of thing was usually music to my ears, but I had a job to do and I was running out of time in which to do it. "Of course you can," I whispered. "Cynthia told you, this is the man who hurt her. You remember what she said... the things he made her do. He deserves to die." "B-but the police... I'll be caught," he stammered. "Oh, don't worry about that. The rifle is loaded with special low-velocity rounds. They'll hardly make any noise. And there's a flash suppressor, so nobody will see the gun go off even if they're looking this way. You just pull the trigger, drop the gun and go out the fire escape. You're wearing gloves, so fingerprints aren't a problem." I was getting tired of reassuring this fool, so I opened the floodgates of my charisma. "Now is your chance, Jason. Take revenge for the woman you love." My poor lovesick pawn burst into tears, but I could see his shoulders slump as he gave in to my demand. With tears streaming down his face, he raised the rifle and aimed at the man on the podium below. "Damn you, Hector Reyes," he said, and pulled the trigger. The sound of the shot was deafening in the perfect acoustics of the auditorium. Silly me, I "forgot" to put in the low-velocity rounds... heh, heh. "Goodbye, Jason," I said just before I disappeared from view. The fool was on his own now -- but I was sure that he'd have plenty of time to wish that he'd kept it in his pants. The Archons have the distinction of being the oldest Minor Band. Jaldabaoth, the first of their kind, was the first member of a Minor Choir to Fall. As the first Minor Choir to embrace Fate, it was only natural that these demons gravitate to the service of Kronos. Besides, the Prince of Fate's shadow is the safest place to hide from Lilith. The Princess of Freedom hates this entire Band beyond all reason, and she rarely passes up an opportunity to destroy one. Archons are few in number because Kronos has little use for their services -- their Resonance lacks the subtlety that Fate prefers. Still, there are some jobs that require a hammer rather than a scalpel, so Kronos keeps them around. Because Hell has many plans that would benefit from an Oppressor's touch, Kronos frequently loans them to those Princes with whom he is associated. Any Archon who shows signs of defecting to another Word -- or worse, Redeeming -- is given to Lilith. Kronos has paid off quite a few Geases that way. Resonance Archons Resonate with the thing that is nearest and dearest to a demon's heart -- control. With a verbal command and a successful Will roll, an Oppressor can impose his will on another being. The subject of the command gets a Will roll to resist. Symphonically Aware beings add their Celestial Forces, but any Discord or Disadvantage that would make the subject more susceptible to a particular command is subtracted from his Will. Consult the chart below to determine exactly what the demon can make his subject do. A CD that is too low to bring about the desired result is the same as a failure. Archon Check Digit Results 1: Something that the subject percieves as inconvenient. 2: Something that the subject knows to be against his or her best interests, short of physical risk. 3: Something that the subject believes to be somewhat wrong (a misdemeanor as opposed to a felony) or that could result in minor injury. 4: Something that the subject would do if (s)he didn't fear getting caught, or something that could result in serious injury. 5: Something that the subject believes is very wrong, or something that could result in mutilation or death. 6: Something that violates the subject's core beliefs or that goes against his or her very nature. The Archon Resonance has its limits. It's not possible to make an angel Fall simply by issuing a command. However, a high enough CD can make an angel violate its Dissonance conditions (CD of 5 for Archangel Dissonance, 6 for Choir Dissonance). More Sophisticated Uses of Resonance Archons prefer to give orders in person, but they're almost as commanding with their voices alone. An Archon has -4 to the TN when using its Resonance over voice media (i.e. telephone or radio). The demon can't pull this off without first having met the subject in person. Even then, he can only effect one person at a time. Dissonance Archons may ask or suggest, but they cannot beg. They also refuse to take orders from anyone whom they don't recognize as being more powerful than themselves. It is Dissonant for an Archon to plead for anything -- including mercy from a squad of angry Malakim -- or to sumbit to any authority whose superiority over the demon has not been proven. That's how Aeons behave, and who wants that? Oppressors respect those with sufficiently strong Wills to avoid becoming their victims. On a failed Resonance roll, the demon may try to command that person again. A second failure gives the demon a note of Dissonance. This can be removed by successfully Resonating that person with a higher CD than that of the failed roll, but subsequent failures add more Dissonance. A successful roll with an inadequate CD neither adds nor removes Dissonance. Manner and Appearance Archons are some of the sharpest dressers in existence. Their Vessels are immaculately groomed at all times. The trappings of authority are everything to Oppressors; they accept only the best material goods and take on the appearance of whatever groups dominate the societies in which they operate. Most Hellborn Archons prefer male Vessels, but Fallen Aeons are equally likely to be masculine or feminine. An Oppressor in Hell appears as a ball of purple fire with as many tentacles as the demon has Forces. They don't care much for other demons, and the feeling is mutual. There is especially strong animosity between Archons and Lilim. Archons tolerate Djinn (who don't care about being ordered around if it doesn't happen too often) and Calabim (who actually like being told to break things). From a musical standpoint, Archons see themselves as all-encompassing. They're not instruments or singers or even the song itself. They are the hall in which the concert is performed. Band Attunement The Archon of Fate Attunement gives the Oppressors some much-needed subtlely; it allows their Resonance to have a delayed effect. Each hour of delay or fraction thereof costs 1 Essence which the demon need not spend until the Resonance roll is successful. Note that this Attunement is not restricted -- Kronos sometimes grants other demons the ability to employ delayed-reaction Resonance. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:11:20 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Angel of Parrallel Universes >fix a universe's problem? And he gets to use this rite once a day, right? >How often does this come up and how come he hasn't fixed the problem of >"main-time-stream" In Nomine? (or has he /already/ ) In the words of Eramus... "An outsider's perspective often greatly blindsides the guilty on both sides" Eramus when he enters a parrallel universe (and he always has companions with him...leading most Angels who don't believe in multiple universes to believe it's an illusion for THEIR benifit...and they may be right) he instantly pretty much knows what's most needed and he's where he is due to Synchronity. Let's indeed follow him on a "magic carpet ride" here for instance.... *ZAP ZAP* Laurell K. Hamilton's Anita Blake Universe Saminga has managed to somehow put himself ontop of the Hellish food chain and has flooded the planet with Hellsworn, Vampires, People cursed with his Attunements and Sorcery, Lycantropes (technically those are JORDI's doing but enough about that) and managed to get people to more or less accept Death as a common place and not so to be feared as much embraced fact of life. *Eramus lands with a Malakim of Fire, A Seraph of Novalis, and a Olfanim of Janus...plus an Ethereal named Kermit* Ohhhh man. By hook or by crook he's managed to land in the middle of a gang fight between two groups of Undead and while Kermit hides underneath the dumpster the rest of the angel's get busy. Seems that a master vampire named Olash or whatever intends to use this status of accepting our 'undead american' brothers to prepare to run for the status of Presidency of the United States and then proceed to use the oppurtunity to wreck untold havok upon the planet with the nations weapon supply and plunge the world into an age of night blah blah blah.... Coincidentally one of the vampires in the other gang is a minor servant of Samingas who knows about this plot and the other gang was trying to kill him. Finding out about this plot Eramus then looks up "Vampire Slayers" in the phone book and finds...who else Anita Blake. With the aid of her friends among the undead they manage to slay Olash and reveal he and his cult of the undead as the demon serving scumbags that they are. Revaling openly to the world that undeath pretty much destroys the soul new undead are banned and a radical backlash against demons emerges as they move onto the next reality... Once returned to their Symphony prime the Malakim of Fire, Seraph of Novalis, and Olfanim of Janus proceed to work their seperate ways against Saminga as Kermit suddenly does a special where he stops the Count, thus ruining much of the romantic image of vampires. So Eramus pretty much gets all his essence back from his two rites, not bad for a days work. - -Charlemagne It's one of the reasons in one day the Sliders crew and Captain kirk could "save a world" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:09:15 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: IN> Mageddon I was repacking some comics recently, and had cause to sit down and reread most of Grant Morrisson's run on _Justice League_, especially the final story arc. Those of you who aren't into comics at all, stop now. Okay. This six-issue story deals with a monstrous entity called Mageddon, which seeks to destroy all intelligent life, and the League's efforts to stop it. Mageddon appears as a monstrous (like, planet-sized), vaguely Lovecraftian squid sort of thingy. It moves through space wiping out intelligent life. It has weapons systems, but its preferred method is to radiate telepathic aggression, fear, and despair, causing intelligent beings to go into berserker rages or suicidal depression. As Mageddon approaches a new world, conflicts will begin to break out; by the time it arrives, a war of "all against all" is usually raging. Soon thereafter, the entire world is dead by combat or suicide. Mageddon isn't conscious -- it's a big doomsday machine from a previous universe -- but it has a certain cunning. In Morrisson's story, Mageddon starts acting through the "Injustice Gang" (who, despite the hokey name, are really quite unpleasant), enemies of the Justice League. The Gang think they're working for themselves; in fact, they're being manipulated by Mageddon to get the League out of the way, or at least distract them, until it's too late. Okay. Does this adapt to IN? Quite nicely, I think. Mageddon-IN is an Ethereal created by the fear of nuclear war. Lots of people were very scared of this for two generations, so it has received *huge* amounts of Essence; today it's about as powerful as one of the stronger Superiors. However, the reduction of fear in the last decade has left it hungry... not any less powerful, just ravenous. So now it has decided to take an active hand. It's moving slowly towards the corporeal plane from the farthest Far marches, and manipulating humans as it comes. Furthermore, it knows about the War, and is manipulating Hell too! Somehow, its nature has allowed it to get a tentacle into Kronos. Possibly the fact that a big enough nuclear war would decide everyone's Fate makes him vulnerable... but however Mageddon does it, it's able to feed false information directly into the brain of the Prince of Fate. It thus has Kronos -- and through him, all of Hell -- moving to red alert, as sudden inexplicable wars break out on Earth, and global tensions rise sharply. (Mageddon can feed on any fears of universal devastation, btw... doesn't have to be the Bomb. And it's not very smart, so it doesn't realize that cranking up the terror too high might set the final conflagration off. Or maybe it doesn't care; the final rush of terror-Essence as the world ends might be all it wants. If you haven't read the Morrisson _Justice Leagues_, this next won't make much sense. Bear with me. Lex Luthor -- Kronos. Calm, scary bald guy being manipulated by Mageddon without realizing it. Prometheus -- Valefor to a "T". Smart, smirky, gets in everywhere. He even has the Calabite temper and love of destruction. If you play Valefor as brightish (I don't, but it seems like some do), then you could try Kobal as Prometheus, but it's not as neat a fit. The Queen Bee -- I thought Beleth at first, but Saminga's much better; she wants to turn Earth into a hive of zombified slaves, and is working at right angles to both Mageddon and her fellow Gangsters. The General -- Brutal embodiment of war incarnate, he's too dumb for Baal; Belial, I think (just set him on fire). His speech about blowing it all up is too perfect. as is the line "the General just passed by me, his mind a red and white boil of terror and rage... he's a machine now, like a tank driven by Mageddon." On the other side, we have Superman -- Morrisson's Superman is Laurence; honorable, very tough, very in charge but just a bit naive. The Superman-General fight had the _feel_ of a Laurence vs. Belial match IMO. Batman -- Michael, close enough, though Bats is a bit more honorable than Mike would be (and a bit less inclined to duke things out). Look at the way he takes down Prometheus, or puts steel into Superman's spine at the key moment. Wonder Woman -- Zadkiel. Oracle -- Jean. Not a fighter, but controls the crucial flow of information. Orion -- Gabriel. Violent, mad, divine; goes after the General on sight; rushes headlong into, well, everything. I could go on, but that's for starters. As a campaign, it'd make a sort of alternate - Final Trumpet for those who don't like that book (or can't get it). Eventually, Heaven and Hell will figure out what's going on... but by that time, global terror may have amplified Mageddon's power to be greater than any single Superior... Thoughts? Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:33:58 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Mageddon - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Muir" To: Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 5:09 PM Subject: IN> Mageddon > > I was repacking some comics recently, and had cause to sit down and reread > most of Grant Morrisson's run on _Justice League_, especially the final > story arc. [snip] *Very* well done. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 01:51:26 -0000 From: "Adam Benedict Canning" Subject: Re: IN> VorDark Bright... > Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:00:12 -0500 > From: Elizabeth McCoy > Subject: Re: IN> VorDark Bright... > >It does seem a little bit much like Ivan Vorpatril, > >Archangel of the > >Sword. Down to the worst possible things going wrong. > > > > I was _going_ to point out that I was being mildly > sarcastic or silly > or something, but this... this is priceless. I know and Thank you. > >Just this one is slightly less competent. > > Or has worse bad luck! Ivan's not lucky, not the way T'averen Miles is. > >Worse of course if true this would make Miles Archangel of War... > > I dunno -- these days, he's Imperial Auditor. Maybe he's actually > more... Raphael. Except for being dead, of course. Miles tried being dead remember, and he couldn't remember who he was afterwards. But so far being an Imperial Auditor seems to involve special forces warfare to a degree that Quinn's complaint about her skills being useless to a Lady Vorkosigan look odder and odder, the evidence is Ekatrin is under qualified not being marksman rated with a rocket launcher. Miles is also the military genius Ivan has shadowing his career and who's skills intimidate him. Though from a Darker perspective basing an encounter with Lucifer on him as Miles has potential. > >Some of the other possibilities go down well or at least > in a manner > >appropriate for causing panic among PC's. Mark as Marc, Bothari as > >Khalid, Ekaterin as Novalis, Cordelia as Dominic, Aral as > David, Simon > >Illyan as Yves, Cavillo as Belial. > > Cavillo... was more trying to be Asmodeus. All paths lead > to victory. Possibly a slightly more crazed than ususal Lilith. My freedom is all? > Simon's definitely more Dominic, but I still think Cordelia... Simons the one who remembers everything. Thus Yves. though Professor Vorthys comes an good alternative. Cordelia is the one who imposes her judgement as to what's right on everyone else, thus Dominic. A kinder gentler Dominic perhaps but there is still the shopping trip. > At 7:25 PM -0500 12/15/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: >> Damn, any other fictional character is lucky to map to one >> Superior, and Cordelia's so darned huge that she can map to >> two of the majors at once and still have room left over. >> Whew! > > I still think that Novalis-Cordelia is _missing_ something. Maybe > _Cordelia_ should be mapped to Raph. Elohite, knows lots... > (Not dead though.) On the other hand you may convince me of Simon=Rapheal. Counting Memory as Dying. > (And she didn't forgive Vorrutyer when _he_ was about to, > ur, take some > amusement. She just forgave Bothari, for he was a victim as well...) I believe the offical description reads something like "while engaging in logistical support for Prince Serg". Another Thought. Ethan as Christopher. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 02:26:36 -0000 From: "Liam Astley" Subject: Re: IN> Mageddon From: "Douglas Muir" Subject: IN> Mageddon > I was repacking some comics recently, and had cause to sit down and reread > most of Grant Morrisson's run on _Justice League_, especially the final > story arc. > Thoughts? this was pretty cool, and the super/superior combinations work worryingly well. my only problem with it is that i can't see an ethereal spirit appearing in the fifties and getting as powerful as Mageddon is, even with all that paranoia. if i was using this in a campaign i'd probably have the Big M as some sort of weapon fired/loosed from the Far Marches by Persons Unknown. that way the big mini-armageddon campaign could be followed by an even bigger, almost-armageddon The Far Marches Attack type thing liam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 21:35:56 -0500 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Liber Rumoris (resource concept) Hey guys, Y'know, I was just in the shower and, for some reason, started thinking about In Nomine (go figure) when I came up with a neat little idea. Liber Rumoris The Book of Hearsay Yes, that's "Hearsay" not "heresy." The basic idea I had was for somebody to collect as many adventure seeds as possible, organize them in some way, and then post them up on the web somewhere. I came up with the title after searching through online Latin dictionaries. I figured that most seeds take the form of rumors or situations that the PC's need to investigate. Personally, I think that beginning (and experienced) GM's everywhere would personally fall down and worship whoever managed to pull something like that off (or at least recommend them for a significant Word). There must be almost a hundred different seeds that have been generated at some point during the existence of the Mailing List. Some serious archive diving would be needed though. I'd personally volunteer to do it, except that I have the habit of overextending myself, and taking on such a huge project would probably mean that my current one (Steampunk In Nomine) would never get off the ground. I would be willing to host such a archive, though, if someone wants to do it but has no webspace. Not much of a help, I know, but that's about all I can do right now. What do you guys think? Would anyone else be interested in something like this or am I just talking to myself? Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:18:16 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Someone's done this right? Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 10:38:55 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Someone's done this right? >Oh, I understand and don't disagree. My point was the >call for attunements and Distinctions was misplaced, >as she wasn't an Archangel. Ahem. Did I not call for a _Heresy_?* Phbpttbbth. :) Moe *Moving away from me being pedantic, hmmmm. Beleth staying, Blandine Jumping. Wouldn't _that_ be an interesting alternate take. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:14:39 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> NJ Gamers needed (and may God have mercy on your souls) Janet from the list has persuaded me to run a few one-shots / mini-campaigns / whatever in between the beginning of the year, and when I'm finally moving down to DC (a couple of months, at the very least). She and her SO are already on the list as PCs #1 & #2. I need anywhere from 2 to 4 more people. So, if you live in NJ, and have either Sunday afternoons free (no 3am game sessions for this puppy. I've got a 2.5 hour commute), or possibly Saturday nights (which would mean a completely different location) give me an email and let me know. Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 05:31:05 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine >At 5:02 AM -0500 12/16/00, Perry Lloyd wrote: > >True, but with IQ 14 Telereceive Power (single skill) 2 [6pts], >Telereceive > >Skill 25 [26pts] grants the Psi the ability to touch people and literally > >probe all their memories on a regular basis. Granted, that's 32pts >total. > >May I ask how that compares to the Angelic resonance costs? > >The base Symphonic Knowledge power is... 30 points. With mods, it breaks >down to... Seraph: 36; Elohite: 30; Malakite: 30; Mercurian: 36. >(Don't forget the psi has to make a Contest of Wills if the subject >notices him, too -- he's likely to win it against the average mundane, >but Crits Happen. The Symphonic Knowledge powers aren't resisted. Okay, sounds about comparable, with the zero resistance on the part of victims of the Angelic resonance. That and, if angels roll their perception (based off IQ), then success is going to be a lot more regular than in In Nomine, though the degree of success will be less likely to be as high. Not a bad trade off. > >>I wouldn't necessarily say it's more powerful than a Seraph or >Mercurian's > >>resonance. > > > >Probably not, since the Seraph and Mercurian resonance provides specific > >information /quickly/. But Telereceive could probably achieve the >effects > >of both the Seraph and Mercurian Resonance. > >True -- and indeed, the original draft had all the angelic "knowledge" >resonances based off of Telerecive with various "Truth only" style >modifiers. hrm may I ask what caused the point cost to be too great? The modifiers for a lack of resistance roll (and detection roll). > >>In fact, the first version of the IN power mechanics were mostly based > >>on GURPS psi powers. It was a real mess, and they were generally > >>*more* expensive than they are now, when all was said and done. SJ > >>mercy-killed that version, thankfully. > > > >Interesting. I guess that means that certain routes to power are more > >expensive (pt-wise) than others in GURPS. Doesn't sound all that >balanced > >to me, but hey, we're only human. > >What made the point totals come out wonky were the rules for enhancements >and limitations, and how those enhancements and limitations worked out. >Remember that there are minimum costs, yadda, yadda. O:> Yeah, yeah. Minimum costs which I've always ignored so long as the power seemed resonable priced. Such a super-power that ONLY functioned, for example, Touch only(-20%), Unreliable: 11 or less (-20%), Usable Only Against Men (-20%), and in Emergencies Only (-30%). I would certainly allow this for a beginning Super who first manifested his or her abilities while being sexually assaulted/attacked by a man. Even though the total cost reduction is 90%, above the 75% max, IIRC. >(Some routes are -- but since there are subtle nuances... Talk off-list to >Walter about his notions for a GURPS Magery mage taking down the M:TA >Technocracy. Or an Electrokinetic doing same... Eventually the folks >with Probability Alteration wax him, but till then, he's really mucking >with them.) ?? hmm Walter? your email address please? > >>True. But celestial's skill levels with resonances are generally high > >>anyway, due to high stats, so this isn't as big a boon as it would > >>first appear. > > > >Yeah, especially with GURPS "if you're a genius, you've got terrific > >perceptions and willpower, too" bit . . . > >It's probably a good thing that GIN kind of emphasizes Strong Will and >Alertness. (Also Weak Will and negative Alertness, FINALLY. I can't >believe we had to invent negative Alertness.) Is it is in the Compendium:I? (Which I have yet to own but will /very/ soon . . .) But it makes sense to have to invent Negative Alertness, just like Weak and Strong Will, since perception is also based off of IQ. I may have to make Perception and Will seperate attributes from IQ. Base 10, modified with Weak/Strong Will and likewise for Alertness. I've never liked the Brilliant Individual having Strong Will automatically (or receiving far many more points to spend elsewhere for lowering it to a more normal level). > >> >I dunno. I'd say the duration and long range of In Nomine abilities > >>would > >> >justify their point cost. > >> > >>I certainly think they're justified. In fact, I had some long >discussions > >>with Kromm about Body-Hopping, which he wanted to be even more >expensive. > > > >Hrm. Well, I dunno how expensive it is now, so . . . > >80 points for Body-hopping. (The limit is no longer on Forces, but on >ST+IQ+DX+HT, and a total number of hosts within that.) Hrm. One level of Duplication is cheaper (only by 5 pts). Interesting. > >>And if such powers were defined in In Nomine, those Superiors would > >>probably > >>include them that way. As it is, it's more of a GM-fiat thing in IN. > > > >I see it more as a "GURPS has it, so let's take advantage of it" thing. > >That too. O:> (Also, a "GURPS has more tolerance for complexity" thing. >These bennies, while appropriate, do add a level of complexity.) Yes, oh yes. One of my players is really looking forward to her Malakite of War to finally have the martial art skills she's envisioned her having. Essence Question. I don't remember where I read it, but evidently the Blood Pool route of conversion was looked down upon by Evil Stevie. So, will fatigue be the substitute for essence as it is in GURPS:Blood Types (fatigue replaces any notion of Blood Pool or the ilk). If so, then I assume with a higher base fatigue pool (10+) and therefore more essence, Songs will not be as cheap? But how, since raising the cost of a Song from 1 to, say, 2 will not reflect the parallel increase in Essence Pool/Fatigue. Or do Celestials start off with Fatigue Pool of 18+ ?? (Which would also reflect them getting tired less, etc...) But, if they recover fatigue as quickly as humans, then their power is upped significantly. But if it doesn't, and only at the rate of 1 per day, then that, combined with the higher cost of essence/fatigue Song, means that Celestials are going to be short of Essence even /more/ than in In Nomine (unless they rertain a pool which has stayed about the same, ratio-wise, compared to Song Essence cost. Should I just wait to get my copy of the book? (which has already been purchased, I just get to wait, oh, another week to a week in a half) Or, can you answer this? Its just that with my quick-paced GMing style, the PCs almost never have enough Essence as it is, and if the ratio of Essence cost to Essence Pool tips even farther into making Songs expensive . . . - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1975 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.