From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Dec 18 16:20:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02754 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:20:25 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id QAA12693 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:19:00 -0600 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:19:00 -0600 Message-Id: <200012182219.QAA12693@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1977 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, December 18 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1977 In this digest: Re: IN> Liber Rumoris (resource concept) IN> Re: Seraph bomb IN> New Minor Band IN> I dunno if Ogiel is immune to this relic, either. Re: IN> Re: Blandine Jumping Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement (with miniminiseed added) Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement (with miniminiseed added) Re: IN> Q2 Re: IN> A sign that I need to stop playing IN... Re: IN> Fwd: Brain teaser. Sorta. Re: IN> Fwd: Brain teaser. Sorta. Re: IN> Liber Rumoris (resource concept) Re: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. Re: IN> Liber Rumoris (resource concept) Re: IN> NJ Gamers needed (and may God have mercy on your souls) Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement IN> Use of words Re: IN> Saminga in love campaign servitor Re: IN> The dissonance of Saminga (Saminga in Love post) Re: IN> Saminga in love dating tips Re: IN> Use of words Re: IN> Use of words Re: IN> New Minor Band Re: IN> Use of words Re: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. Re: IN> Use of words IN> I need some good suggestions... Re: IN> I need some good suggestions... Re: IN> Princess Iolanthe: Peer Opinions Re: IN> I need some good suggestions... Re: IN> Q2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 01:19:57 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Liber Rumoris (resource concept) >At 9:35 PM -0500 12/16/00, Jonathan Walton wrote: > >What do you guys think? Would anyone else be interested in something >like > >this or am I just talking to myself? > >What's wrong with sending HTML'ed stuff to edg? > >http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/adventures.html > >(I mean, if someone else wants to do it _too_...) I believe that there's a book similiar to this concept for the French game: Encycopdia Spiritis Volume 1. Just thought I'd mention is. - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 21:08:16 -0500 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: Seraph bomb > No, you use the suitcase to get everybody feeling calm and relaxed long > enough to detonate the plastique you've stuffed in there with the > seraph... Beautiful. Except that if one of my players tried it, I think I'd pull a: "Well, hmm, guess who doesn't suffer trauma and will be waiting for you when you get out of yours." Payback's a Malakite. Lots of them actually. Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:42:24 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> New Minor Band Not the Yves/Kronos one: that involves writing up a whole new arena. However, when I wrote up the first batch of C/Bs, I referred to a bunch of them in passing. Here's one of them. Enjoy, or enjoy not. There is no "try". ;) Moe Sycophants (Narcissists, Toadies) "Of course you were justified in firing that man. He made you look bad, didn't he? You hired him to handle petty problems, not to handle all your responsibilities - and he really should have known when to bring things to your notice." No matter, of course, that by now it would take an atomic strike to get this pitiful little waste of Forces' attention. "Just promote his assistant: I'm sure this one will make a much better subordinate." Well, from my point of view, at least: between the new idiot's gambling habit and this one's eroding grip on reality, this company should be run into the ground in six months, tops. "Tonight? Certainly. We should be discreet, though: it wouldn't do for others to find out that you're involved with your secretary - or that he's giving you better advice than those purblind fools investing your division. They'd be so jealous, either way..." Andrealphus quite enjoys this Choir, not least because it's so often overlooked when people try to spy out Lust's hold on the corporeal world. They use their abilities to decapitate human organizations at the very top by making key people lose their focus, lose their drive, lose their sense of responsibility ... lose, in fact, everything that keeps them from smugly observing how wonderful they are. Even when compared to the rest of Andrealphus' organization they are notably effective as smiling, manipulative sociopaths. Oh yes, the Prince of Lust finds their work quite tasty. Resonance A Sycophant's resonance is for flattery. They have the ability to know what a given person wants to hear, and what the person doesn't want to hear. Given enough time, the demon may stroke a human's ego, play to his fears, and slowly but inexorably isolate him from anything that might possibly contradict his increasingly incorrect view of the universe. Once a Sycophant has his hooks in a mortal, it's only a matter of time before the victim is effectively useless. Dissonance A Sycophant has to walk a fine line between lies and truth. Too much of the former, and the demon risks exposure as a bootlicking toady: too much of the latter, and the talking monkeys might actually get things done properly. Thus, telling the unvarnished truth or a complete lie to a human whom she's resonated is subject to dissonance. Sycophants hate questions that can only be answered 'yes' or 'no'. Also, being exposed as the author of a human's delusions is also good for dissonance (cumulative with the above). Manner and Appearance Sycophants always look good. Their vessels always have at least +1 Charisma (paid for normally), and are frequently higher. Of course, personal mortal standards of attractiveness vary from culture to culture, but a locally-encountered Toady will always be clean, in apparently superb shape, and wearing generally sedate-but-expensive clothing (in public, at least). Their Roles are always very high, but tend to be out of the limelight. In their celestial form, Sycophants appear as small versions (about 3 inches high) of their favored corporeal vessel, complete with adorable little horns, a perky little tail and a minimum of clothing. The pitchfork is optional. They may increase their size to normal at will, but only do so for special occasions. As noted above, there are several dangers to being a Sycophant: being caught out is merely the most obvious. A worse one (from their point of view) is that the possibility exists that the Toady will get too involved into his or her Role. It's quite a bit of fun to be the power behind the throne, after all, and sometimes these demons will find themselves trying to keep the ride going as long as they can. Unfortunately, that means giving their tame mouthpiece good advice, which means that they'll have to tell him or her the truth occasionally, at least. Those that keep this up until they go Renegade might eventually Redeem and become Adjutants, a minor Choir mostly used by Laurence to lend strength and skills to humanity. Sycophants usually perceive themselves as whatever musical instrument their current project likes best (which makes it easier for them to praise it to the skies in front of him or her). Game Mechanics Duration is for one day: the target may resist with a Will roll. Every successful use of the Sycophant's resonance gives a cumulative +1 to further resonance rolls. An unsuccessful use of their resonance will not have any ill effects on this bonus, but two unsuccessful uses in a row will wipe it out entirely. Three unsuccessful uses in a row will make that human immune to that particular Sycophant forever, and gives him a +4 to any attempts by others. Celestials are immune to a Sycophant's effects (as are Saints... if they know what they are dealing with). Resonance Check Digit Table 1). You can pick out the person in a crowd most susceptible to flattery. 2). You can determine what kind of flattery a particular person is susceptible to. 3). You know the exact way to flatter a particular person. 4). As above, and the person so flattered will treat your suggestions as if they came from him in minor matters (dress sense, what's good with the house wine, or a host of other unimportant decisions). 5). As above, except that the suggestions may be significant (Is that person really not jealous of me? It's it really a good idea for my organization to keep its word and do something disadvantageous?). 6). The subject will do whatever you say, if given even the flimsiest justification (with a nod, of course, to the subject's 'superior' attributes and abilities). More Sophisticated Uses of Resonance Sycophants get a reaction bonus from those they’ve resonated (if they haven't been revealed as toadies) equal to the demon's Celestial Forces. Also, the nature of their activities means that they can reduce any disturbance caused by their actions in half, provide that they can blame it on someone they've currently resonated. Sycophants in the War As mentioned above, the Prince of Lust uses this Band as a instrument to topple or control human institutions (he especially loves to corrupt religious organization, which does nothing to endear him to Laurence). The usefulness of these demons to him lies in the fact that they can act subtly, and quietly, over long periods of time: until the very end, it takes a very skilled investigator to distinguish their activities from ordinary applications of the Peter Principle. Most Sycophants remain with Andrealphus, although Nybbas has a decent amount (and Kronos has found it practical to acquire a few, and never mind the political situation). Sycophant of Lust (restricted) Needless to say, these demons gain and keep their influence through carnality. They get a +2 to their resonance check digits if they use it on anyone that they've ever had sex with. Sycophant of Fate Kronos always gives his Sycophants his Impudite of Fate Attunement: this gives them a +2 to all further resonance rolls towards that person only. Sycophant of the Media Sycophants of Nybbas never suffer dissonance from being revealed as bootlicking toadies and yes-men (being revealed as a demonic, etc. etc. etc., on the other hand...). That's life with the big boys, baby; everybody's had to pucker up at least once in their lives. Nybbas reserves his Sycophants strictly for those whom he wants to publicly - and spectacularly - go down for the count. Hey: Media scandals promote the Media: odd, yeah, but the numbers back me up on this one... ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:35:12 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> I dunno if Ogiel is immune to this relic, either. I was going to suggest this for that Steampunk campaign being started up, but I'm not sure that it's _really_ appropriate. So I got out of Steampunk silly mode and into Golden Age of Mad Science silly mode. Besides, I've referred to a version of this before, so it's only fair to reveal it. Any relationship to the item of the same name in SJG_O_RPG Warehouse 23 is purely conceptual (although I will say that said supplement is a prime locale for Vaputech). :) Enjoy? [Y/N] Moe THE DEVOLVO RAY!!!!! Sorry about that: Vapula always shouts when he refers to this weapon. His researchers have gotten into the habit as well. Physically, THE DEVOLVO RAY!!!!! screams Vaputech: the 'handheld' version resembles a cross between a jet pack, the hose and spout from a gas tank and a set of rapidly blinking Christmas lights. The large version looked like it came direct from the set of a bad 1950s science fiction film, down to the pipe organ that was apparently integral to the design. Anyone who sees either version, and knows about Vapula, will instinctively either dive for cover or lob a grenade at it: it simply _looks_ like bad news. It is. When in use, THE DEVOLVO RAY!!!!! shoots out a spray of oddly colored light that does ethereal and celestial damage, of a sort. Roll two differently colored dice: one is the amount of Mind Hits "inflicted", and the other is the amount of Soul Hits. However, this damage will not actually destroy a Force... just shift it. Every four Mind (or Soul) Hits inflicted will lower the appropriate Force by 1, and raise Corporeal Forces by the same number. This can raise the number of Corporeal Forces to over 6, incidentally. Once a particular Force is at 1, further shifting of that Force is impossible. Physical side effects to THE DEVOLVO RAY!!!!! include a regression to what appears to be a badly-shaven, hulking brute the size of a refrigerator. Clothing and equipment will similarly regress to something more suitable for the Stone Age. The target will revert back to normal at the rate of one Force every five minutes (his or her gear will go back to normal once he or she does), but if he or she is hit again during that time, the clock gets reset back to zero. THE DEVOLVO RAY!!!!! also has a conventional Power of +2, Accuracy of +1, range of about 50 yards and needs to be plugged into an electrical socket to function. Malakim are affected, as above, but with a special wrinkle: they must make a Will roll or temporarily change to a particular Choir every time that they get hit. Malakim from the First Rebellion revert back to their original Choir: everybody else is a GM call, based on the Malakim's personality and recent actions. This shift in Choir lasts until their Forces have completely reverted back to normal. Despite the fact that the bloody thing actually works, very few Servitors of Science like to lug it around. First off, it's not exactly mobile, and won't be until Vapula gets the bugs out of the portable fission reactor, or maybe the antimatter batteries. Three guesses on how much the field testers are really looking forward to _that_ upgrade. Second, as a purely physical weapon it leaves much to be desired: a revolver does more damage, and it's quieter to boot (you would not believe the amount of disturbance this thing causes: at least +20). Finally, seeing as the target still retains his or her memories, and is now incredibly strong and agile, and has just been whacked several times with something by a big shiny beam that _hurts_, well... The larger version of THE DEVOLVO RAY!!!!! required a very large electrical grid to work (causing brownouts for a six-block radius). Vapula apparently only built one (so far): it seemed to be able to instantly switch Forces and completely revert Malakim for several hours. It also made a frighteningly large noise, which is why Laurence himself showed up to dispose of it. Oddly, it's hard to get anyone involved in the final assault to talk about what happened afterwards. What's known that Laurence went in, there was a lot of noise, a bunch of knuckle-dragging angels came shuffling out, they stood watch for half a day, and eventually the Archangel of the Sword came out, looking very, very annoyed. No one is willing to admit to passing on the rumor that one of his wings was still pure white... ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 21:08:42 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Re: Blandine Jumping Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 10:28:01 -0500 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: Blandine Jumping >Hey, Moe, when our Steampunk heresy finally gets up >and going, y'wanna move on to a world of Fear and >Madness? More heresy for everyone! Hmmm. Interesting. Very Old Testament in tone*. I'd use the Orbital Mind Control Lasers to get Eric interested in it, but if I did, he might stop working on Lilith I Regina. That would be bad. Very, very bad. :) Moe *Let me shove it into the compost heap that is my mind and let it ferment a while. :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 21:29:19 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement (with miniminiseed added) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 17:48:06 -0000 From: "Liam Astley" Subject: Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement (with miniminiseed added) From: Subject: Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement (with miniminiseed added) >> Cut off the Seraph's arms and legs, pull out the tongue, burn out >> eyes and ears. You don't want it seeing or doing anything that >> might be awkward, of course. >wouldn't the attunement that the demon was intending >to "steal" stop him from cutting the angel's arms and >legs off in the first place? Well... you could always get a Superior to do it. After all, we know that _Heaven_ has a similar trick... ...of course, I'd have to say that doing it to a Servitor of Flowers is officially Just Asking For It (not quite Beyond The Pale, but _not_ something you want to be caught doing). Hmmm. That gives me an idea. Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:42:10 -0500 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement (with miniminiseed added) Liam Astley wrote: > From: > Subject: Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement (with miniminiseed added) > > Cut off the Seraph's arms and legs, pull out the tongue, burn out > > eyes and ears. You don't want it seeing or doing anything that > > might be awkward, of course. > > wouldn't the attunement that the demon was intending to "steal" stop > him from cutting the angel's arms and legs off in the first place? By no means! All it takes is one Balseraph self-resonating itself to defeat the resonance: 1. The angel is not really an angel, but really an advanced Vapulan practice robot designed to emulate an angel, so chopping it up is not violent. 2. Yes, it's going to chop up the angel, but the Balseraph is a sculptor, and no action in the service of True Art can really be considered violent or a crime. 3. There's no aura of peace to stop it -- since the Balseraph is chopping up the angel, ipso facto there can be no aura of peace. Or for Balseraphs that *really* want to screw with themselves, all three at once. :) - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 09:55:21 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Q2 I'd think that luck, good and bad, might be the purview of relievers of Destiny and imps of Fate, respectively. If you make Good Luck and Bad Luck into Words held by celestials, I'd again make them subservient to Destiny and Fate. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:01:13 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> A sign that I need to stop playing IN... How does an angel go through incarnations, rather than receiving new vessels? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:21:34 EST From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Brain teaser. Sorta. In a message dated 12/14/00 11:58:14 AM, emccoy@nh.ultranet.com forwards from Moe: (Regarding an Angel of Conformity:) >>The question is, how to make such an angel >>sympathetic? Sure, making him/her/it a righteous >>bast**d would be child's play, but that's too easy. >> Here's a fun idea (yes, I'm aware I'm responding to this about four days later...): Make him *both*. As the Angel of Conformity, he was wordbound in England in the 1560's or so. He's actually the Angel of Conformity to the Practices of the Church of England, and he's bleeding word-forces like noone's business... I could go on, but I'm not sure how much C of E history you really want to know for just this concept. Mark (who's actually finally one step closer to the Priesthood...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:45:15 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Brain teaser. Sorta. MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: > He's actually the Angel of Conformity to the Practices of > the Church of England, and he's bleeding word-forces like noone's > business... Can one be given two Words at once? I doubt it, or we'd have heard by now. (The idea being that this poor sod could be given a backup Word to keep going.) Sure sounds like he at least needs a NEW Word, which is rare but can happen, though I gather it's hard for most Word-bound to even want such a thing. (But Word-binding doesn't depend on the wants of the subject.) Alternately, this angel could be somewhat more elastic and become, in essence, Angel of the Anglican Communion. It's a lot smaller stretch than from Flowers to Peace and Mercy, or Lightning to Science. The "Practices of the Church of England" then becomes what Anglicans (and Episcopalians, and their ilk) actually *do*, for instance. Earl Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:21:35 -0000 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: Re: IN> Liber Rumoris (resource concept) - -----Original Message----- From: Perry Lloyd To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: 18 December 2000 01:20 Subject: Re: IN> Liber Rumoris (resource concept) >I believe that there's a book similiar to this concept for the French game: >Encycopdia Spiritis Volume 1. >Just thought I'd mention is. Not precisely -- the French Enc Spir volume 1 is _canon_ for their game: it's entries for each Archangel, with history, current position and plans, and opinions from all the other Archangels. Yummy. Apparently volume 2 (the Princes) is out early next year. I'm looking forward to it. Genevieve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:11:20 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. > Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:57:02 -0500 > From: Elizabeth McCoy > Subject: Re: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. > > At 7:09 PM -0800 12/14/00, Maurice Lane wrote: > >From: Elizabeth McCoy > >>Moe, you're twisted. > >>Now write up the alligators. > > > >Not much to say. They're alligators. They're > albinos. > > There's a lot of them. Nothing special about them > at > >all, really. > > > >Their _riders_, on the other hand... > > Mmmmmmm.... High Weirdness. :) > > I don't know the Harlan story, I fear, but this > is still way cool. It was inspired by a collection of Harlan's stories called _Strange_ _Wine_ (hard to find, but worth it). "A to Z, in the Chocolate Alphabet" (another story) also has a few things that one might mine for IN uses. If I ever make it to whatever that big gaming con is that everyone goes to, I'll bring it along so you can look at it. > Clearly I need more insomnia to compete. > So says the woman who turned her daughter into a Demon Princess, and herself into IN's Truine Goddess. I'm just playing catchup, here. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:55:51 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Liber Rumoris (resource concept) - --- Jonathan Walton wrote: > Liber Rumoris > The Book of Hearsay More than I can take on right now -- I'm planning on going back to school in the Fall (no, not _that_ Fall...). ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:57:45 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> NJ Gamers needed (and may God have mercy on your souls) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Janet from the list has persuaded me to run a few > one-shots / mini-campaigns / whatever in between the > beginning of the year [dnip] Ooooo... I'd love to be in on that, but NJ is just a bit of a large commute from TX. Have fun, y'all. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:03:40 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 00:07:33 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement (with miniminiseed added) At 6:24 PM +0000 12/15/00, Genevieve Cogman wrote: >>A quick note -- as I understood it, the angel (or >>otherwise) with the Seraph of Flowers attunement is >>at the epicenter of the effect. >Bingo, and THANK GOD. The Seraph of Flowers >attunement is not switchable. >It is always on. Read the description -- it says >nothing about "with a thought" or any other >activation. An aura of peace EMANATES from these >Seraphim. Period. (flipping munchkin switch) Fair enough. So whoever has the Seraph of Flowers Attunement just walks up to random demon in crowd of same and gives him a hug ... just before the three snipers four blocks away put six rounds into said demon's head, and then proceed to reap a deadly harvest as the demons struggle to even make an effort to push past the grinning Soldiers who have given _them_ hugs. (/flipping munchkin switch) Novalis should really upgrade the Attunement for the modern era. Or just restrict the blipping thing. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:02:41 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: IN> Use of words Hi, I'm back with more angelic questions. To make sure I've got it right, ben-Elohim is a name for angels, meaning something along the lines of "servants of God," right? Also, is there any special mythological use of the word "bal" before a demon's formal choir (as in "bal-seraph" in In Nomine). I'm trying to figure out what to call fallen angels (I don't have individual bands, but I want some way of "demonizing" their former choir). So I'm wondering if balseraph, balcherub, balhayyoth, etc. actually has some mythological base. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:06:21 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Saminga in love campaign servitor - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > Vallania ("Valance") > Baroness of the Undead Kingdom > Impudite of Death > The Demon of Death as Love Sick. She fits right in around here. }:> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:10:28 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The dissonance of Saminga (Saminga in Love post) - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > Haunted Now this is the kind of dirty trick that GM's love to play on PC's! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:13:58 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Saminga in love dating tips Thanks a lot, Charles. I'll need at least a week to recover from this. };;;> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:17:23 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Use of words Bevan Thomas wrote: > Hi, I'm back with more angelic questions. To make sure I've got > it right, ben-Elohim is a name for angels, meaning something along > the lines of "servants of God," right? I means "sons of God," actually, or "children of God." > Also, is there any special mythological use of the word "bal" > before a demon's formal choir (as in "bal-seraph" in In Nomine). I've never heard of "balseraphs" or other "bal-" things outside IN, but the popular guess is that it's short for "baal." This is not only the name of a Demon Prince in IN, it is a semitic word for "lord." The priests and prophets of God were often in conflict with the worshippers of "Baal," in the Bible. This is probably a reference to Marduk, the high god of the Semitic pantheon. (That's why he's a good steal for the name of a demon.) So a "balseraph" would be a "lord seraph," an uber-seraph, super-seraph, which fits with that band's general arrogance, but also carries connotations of the ancient, unholy cult of Baal. > So I'm wondering if balseraph, > balcherub, balhayyoth, etc. actually has some mythological base. Yes, they seem to, even if the coinage is recent. I haven't looked much into traditional demonology, but what little I have read seems to use the original choir of the spirit in question, and refer to them as "fallen seraph," "infernal cherub," "once of the choir of dominations," and that sort of thing. I think some of the early text for IN referred to "balcherubim," before that got changed to "djinn." Actually, I'd have preferred "balcherubim," myself. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:22:16 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Use of words Bevan Thomas wrote: > I'm trying to figure out what to call fallen angels (I don't have > individual bands, but I want some way of "demonizing" their former > choir). It sounds like you are writing your own angels-&-demons RPG. Is that the case? Hom much of IN are you using? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:22:41 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New Minor Band - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Sycophants > (Narcissists, Toadies) Nasty. I like. One quibble: in canon, Andre is paired against Eli, not Laurence. I do find it interesting, though, that both Minor Bands of Lust that have been posted so far do their work by playing second fiddles. Apparently, Andre has read She "Stoops to Conquer." ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:27:49 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Use of words - --- Bevan Thomas wrote: > ben-Elohim is a name for angels, meaning something along the lines of > "servants of God," right? "Sons of God," to be precise. > > Also, is there any special mythological use of the word "bal" before > a > demon's formal choir (as in "bal-seraph" in In Nomine)? "Bal-" is a prefix (not sure what language; help me out, somebody?) that denotes a pejorative. Thus, a Balseraph is a "bad Seraph." Most Bands of demons, even in mythology, have specific "species" names, however. Are you writing up Minor Choirs/Bands or are you cooking up something else? ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:30:18 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > If I ever make it to whatever that big gaming con is > that everyone goes to, I'll bring it along so you can > look at it. I believe you're refering to GenCon. Overrated, IMHO, but good to experience at least once. There was no IN when I went, though. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 09:12:32 +1300 From: "Alex Liddell" Subject: Re: IN> Use of words >Also, is there any special mythological use of the word "bal" before a >demon's formal choir (as in "bal-seraph" in In Nomine). I'm trying to >figure >out what to call fallen angels (I don't have individual bands, but I want >some way of "demonizing" their former choir). So I'm wondering if >balseraph, >balcherub, balhayyoth, etc. actually has some mythological base. Mythological base... nope. Linguistic base perhaps. The prefix of "Bal" doesn't meaning anything in and of itself, "Mal" in Latin means sick or weak. I am reminded of a word Balshazar, which sounds Persian or Turkish and generally means Dead Wind or something like that. If you are after a way of Demonizing a choir then add et Demonis or ex Dei AFTER the choir name. Which forms an "Elohim in Demonic" or a "Seraph removed from God". Mind you the Ecclesiastical Latin and the Classical Latin both have different meanings in those senses. I am reminded about the "Epiphany" post a while back. In Ecclesiastical it literally means "Vision of the Christ" where as in Classical it means precisely nothing. The Classic Latins (Romans) pre Constantine, would have used a verbal construction such as "Adspectus Dei" (The spectre of God) to describe an Epiphany. My advice to you is to grab a copy of The Shorter Oxford and look up names like Demon, God, Fallen, Hell, Anguish. Those words all have their roots in Hebrew, Greek and Latin which make really good names for Demons. See what that turns up. Alex _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 12:29:59 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> I need some good suggestions... Essentially, I'm working on something that requires angelic resonances that are more or less midway between canonical angelic resonances and their canonical demonic counterparts. Any advice along those lines would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Moe PS I've already worked out Elohite, BTW. :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:38:42 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> I need some good suggestions... From: "Maurice Lane" > Essentially, I'm working on something that requires > angelic resonances that are more or less midway > between canonical angelic resonances and their > canonical demonic counterparts. Any advice along > those lines would be greatly appreciated. Ofanite/Calabim: Can warp objects between the celestial and its destination, allowing the celestial to pass through any obstacles. Seraph/Balseraph: Can tell what a subject believes to be true. Mercurian/Impudite: Can tell who, among any given group of beings, is most vulnerable to others attempting to drain Essence. Malakite/Lilim: Can tell what the most selfish and unselfish deeds a subject has performed. (I know the last one isn't involving counterparts, but I liked it...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:13:27 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Princess Iolanthe: Peer Opinions At 12:51 AM -0800 12/17/00, Charles E Smith wrote: > > >This was hilarious Beth! :D What do the Archangels think of her (and she >of them)? Wirking, working... - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:45:05 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> I need some good suggestions... - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Essentially, I'm working on something that requires > angelic resonances that are more or less midway > between canonical angelic resonances and their > canonical demonic counterparts. Any advice along > those lines would be greatly appreciated. Here's a quickie. Menunim: with a Perception roll, a Messenger can discern what the subject hopes for. The higher the CD, the more important that particular hope is to the individual. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:36:21 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Q2 At 4:42 PM +0000 12/17/00, cassandra benner wrote: >Hiya, >I've got a couple more questions which i know the list will be able to help >with. >1- Which arch-angel covers the word of luck ? Is it governed by marc who >handles 'heavenly fortune' as it suggests in his write up. Or is the >111/666 considered the way of luck. No clue. >2- Marcs kyriotate attunement.. why? I have _totally_ no clue. Perhaps so that a willing host can make the deal to allow it in and it will Just Work. >3- What is the Grigori sigil picture? The books have the pictures for all >the other bands, choirs, arch-angels and demon princes, but is there one for >the grigori and where can i find it? Not yet. >4- Could anybody mail to me privately (or on the list) a good set of >'adventures/fully written seeds' for a group of starting players in a mid >contrast angelic game. www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles...? O:> (If you can find the GM screen adventure, Feast of Blades, we had a fun time with it when my spouse ran it -- aside from a Divine Intervention letting us advance the timetable a lot, and a scrap of errata which ought to be at www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/errata now... O:> ) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1977 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.