From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Dec 18 18:45:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25803 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:45:38 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id SAA20716 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:45:04 -0600 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:45:04 -0600 Message-Id: <200012190045.SAA20716@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1978 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, December 18 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1978 In this digest: Re: IN> The dissonance of Saminga (Saminga in Love post) Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine IN> Fwd: Essence Fwd: Re: IN> Dominic's Confessions et alia IN> Iolanthe Superior opinions Re: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. Re: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. Re: IN> Iolanthe Superior opinions IN> Aeon Errata Re: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement (with miniminiseed added) Re: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement IN> Re: I need some good suggestions... Re: IN> Iolanthe Superior opinions Re: IN> Use of words Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement Re: IN> Use of words Re: IN> Use of words Re: IN> Use of words Re: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. IN> Campaign ideas. IN> Saminga in love quotes of villany Re: IN> Campaign ideas. Re: IN> Saminga in love quotes of villany Re: IN> Saminga in love quotes of villany Re: IN> Saminga in love quotes of villany Re: IN> Campaign ideas. Re: IN> I need some good suggestions... IN> A disturbing little seed and NPC ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:23:19 From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: Re: IN> The dissonance of Saminga (Saminga in Love post) Just wondering when and how did the "Saminga in Love" thing start? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:19:19 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine At 1:15 AM -0500 12/18/00, Perry Lloyd wrote: >>>Essence Question. [...] So, will >>>fatigue be the substitute for essence as it is in GURPS:Blood Types >>>(fatigue replaces any notion of Blood Pool or the ilk). >> >>That was the original plan. It was, however, nixed. (Because it was UGLY!) >>Instead, everything has Essence, but just can't use it without the Essence >>Control advantage, which dictates how much Essence a being can "hold" and >>"control." (The number maxes out at 2/3rds HT [no Forces in GIN as a >>mechanic; just flavor] amd most beings have their Essence Control at max.) > >There're different levels of Essence Control? Yes... >Songs versus Boosting Skill Rolls versus Going Celestial versus ??? No, the levels indicate the units of Essence you contain and have control over. E.g., Soldiers have about 6, celestials have about 9, etc. >>Aside from that, Essence and Rites work as normal. > >Cool. > >>Songs _were_ doubled in cost, since Rites used to be _slots_ of extra >>Fatigue that could be filled (letting a celestial have over 20 points >>of Essence!), instead of methods to replenish existing Essence. (Extra >>Fatigue, basically.) > >But overy 20 pts of Essence /would be/ appropriate if Song costs are >doubled, in order to maintain a similar Song cost : Essence Pool ratio. It went the other way around, though -- since celestials were slinging around more stuff... But thankfully, it was fixed. Though it had some nice special effects for Impudites, the rest was a "that way lies madness" hack. >So, when you say Songs now cost Essence pretty much normally, are you >saying: >that Songs coss about the same at in In Nomine, or Yes. >that the Song cost : Essence Pool ratio has stayed about the same? Yes. The Essence pool _was_ doubled, but then we were allowed to make Essence Essence, instead of Extra Fatigue Per Se, which means that the average celestial (with HT 14) has 9 measures of Essence to play with. (Frankly, if you know IN and want to stick to that, you just give out the basic numbers and pitch the 2/3rds HT suggestion. We only stuck that in so that Soldiers wouldn't go wonked to heck and gone.) >>Note that some Songs have a flaming feather near them -- this is artistic, >>not denoting a "dangerous" Song as in Liber Canticorum. > >Okay. Were songs from Liber Canticorum included in GIN? Affinity and Transferral were, as was Enchantment. I don't recall any others seeming sufficiently important as to require shoehorning them in. >> >Should I just wait to get my copy of the book? (which has already been >> >purchased, I just get to wait, oh, another week to a week in a half) >> >Or, can you answer this? >> >>Well, if you don't mind the typos from the baby... O:> > >Hey, I love babies! Well, other people's babies at least. >I'd love to have an answer, no matter how bad the typos. :) Heh. I'll do my best, then... - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:48:37 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Fwd: Essence >Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:07:48 -0600 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [Blackhatmatt@gateway.net] > >From: Blackhatmatt@gateway.net >Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 14:06:45 EST >Subject: essence > >I may have just missed this somewhere, but how much Essence does a character >begin play with? > >-BlackHat Matt > If using IN, the answer is on p. 50. If using GURPS IN, the answer is on p. 31. Information about s u b scribing to the list is at http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/lists.html and be SURE to read the list rules at http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html . - --Beth, Princess of List Admin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:49:29 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> Dominic's Confessions et alia >Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 21:06:47 -0600 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [EDG ] > >Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:08:24 -0500 >From: EDG >Subject: Re: IN> Dominic's Confessions et alia > >Daniel Gallagher wrote: >> >> I saw the Trials of Michael were posted on the INC, were the confessions of >> Dominic? If they were I can't seem to find them. > >This is an error on my part, and I apologize. > >The Confessions of Dominic are now linked from the Fan Fiction page, at >www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/fiction.html, or you can go directly >to them at this address: >www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/Confessions/index.html > >As a side note: Eric, I have seen your message, and I think it merits a >response. November 6 was the night before I started a new job, and just >when I started to get back into the swing of things, a moratorium was >imposed upon making changes to the sjgames website so that a server >change could be enacted. I've just received permission to start making >changes again, and there should be an update by morning on Tuesday, to >both the INC and the main website. > >I appreciate everybody's patience. Thanks for your understanding. > >With regards, >Christopher "EDG" Anthony > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:38:27 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Iolanthe Superior opinions Heheh I loved this. Just a few suggestions Novalis: Coochie Coochie...OUCh! <*bite*> Laurence: Where'd my sword go? Jean: Thankfully I may remain objective....awwww....coochie...GARGH DISSONANCE! and the like ;-) - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:24:49 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. At 11:11 AM -0800 12/18/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >> From: Elizabeth McCoy >> >> Clearly I need more insomnia to compete. > >So says the woman who turned her daughter into a Demon >Princess, and herself into IN's Truine Goddess. I'm >just playing catchup, here. :) I didn't turn her into a Princess! I just _realized_ it when I saw her! I was cooking up what her attunements had to be while I was flat on my back in the hospital bed and she was busy sucking Essence in the NICU. And the triune goddess thing just happened. But don't tell Uriel. He'd get very upset. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:03:01 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. At 11:30 AM -0800 12/18/00, Michael Walton wrote: >--- Maurice Lane wrote: >> If I ever make it to whatever that big gaming con is >> that everyone goes to, I'll bring it along so you can >> look at it. > > I believe you're refering to GenCon. Overrated, IMHO, but good to >experience at least once. There was no IN when I went, though. Clearly, Moe should go to Arisia as a result. Don't look for reasons why. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:44:02 +1300 From: "Alex Liddell" Subject: Re: IN> Iolanthe Superior opinions >Jean: Thankfully I may remain objective....awwww....coochie...GARGH >DISSONANCE! Khalid: I will remain... ahhh who am I kiddin'... woogie, wooga, woogo... oh well. Back to Terahn for me. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:46:04 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: IN> Aeon Errata Greetings from the Dark Side... I finally listened to the little voice nagging from the back of my head and rechecked the Aeon writeup (glad I typed it in Word first). It says there that the Aeon Sophia is the Angel of Wisdom. Not what I meant to put in -- canon has Tarshish as the Angel of Wisdom (hey, at least I still had it under Yves). That passage should name Sophia as the _first_ Angel of Wisdom. We return you now to your regularly scheduled program. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 22:31:35 -0000 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: Re: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. - -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth McCoy To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: 18 December 2000 22:43 Subject: Re: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. >And the triune goddess thing just happened. But don't tell >Uriel. He'd get very upset. "LAURENCE." "Yes, most holy? Oh, praised be the day! You have descended from the Higher Heavens. Speak, oh my maker and lord. What is your will?" "WE SHALL SMITE THE TRIUNE GODDESS." (pause) "I TAKE IT YOU DO NOT HAVE A HEARING DEFECT, MY SERVANT. WE SHALL SMITE THE TRIUNE GODDESS. DO YOU NEED IT SPELT OUT?" (pause) "LET'S TRY THIS MORE SLOWLY. WE. TRIUNE. GODDESS. SMITE." (pause) "LAURENCE, WHY PRECISELY ARE YOU TRYING TO HIDE THAT BABY DEMON PRINCESS AND GOING GOOTCHY GOOTCHY GOO AT IT?" - --- Genevieve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:07:35 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement (with miniminiseed added) At 5:48 PM +0000 12/17/00, Liam Astley wrote: >From: >Subject: Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement (with miniminiseed added) >> Cut off the Seraph's arms and legs, pull out the tongue, burn out >> eyes and ears. You don't want it seeing or doing anything that >> might be awkward, of course. > >wouldn't the attunement that the demon was intending to "steal" stop him >from cutting the angel's arms and legs off in the first place? That'd be _my_ ruling on it. Well, he can spend a lot of Essence with his Will roll... (Admittedly, the notions of walking into the 8th Virtue with one of these would be amusing, but really, you can do nearly as much annoyance with about five Seraphim of Flowers, a Vapulan Impudite, and the Ethereal Song of Attraction.) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:50:54 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. - --- Genevieve Cogman wrote: > "LAURENCE." > > "Yes, most holy? Oh, praised be the day! You have descended from the > Higher > Heavens. Speak, oh my maker and lord. What is your will?" > > "WE SHALL SMITE THE TRIUNE GODDESS." Genevieve, you really need help. 0:> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:29:27 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement At 11:03 AM -0800 12/18/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >(flipping munchkin switch) > >Fair enough. So whoever has the Seraph of Flowers >Attunement just walks up to random demon in crowd of >same and gives him a hug ... just before the three >snipers four blocks away put six rounds into said >demon's head, Yup! Which is why Novalis would take whatever Seraph did such a thing, strip it of its attunements, and probably proceed to gently pot it and leave it on Earth in some place where it would... learn some lessons. If you could convince the Seraph to do it in the first place -- remember their dissonance conditions. (Or any other Servitor of Flowers who has it, for that matter. Aiding and abetting violence when it's not The Last Choice is badbadbadbadbad.) and then proceed to reap a deadly >harvest as the demons struggle to even make an effort >to push past the grinning Soldiers who have given >_them_ hugs. Choir Attunement, that is, not Servitor Attunement. Soldiers with that attunement are going to be few and far between. And very very peaceful. >(/flipping munchkin switch) >Novalis should really upgrade the Attunement for the >modern era. Or just restrict the blipping thing. :) What, and make it impossible for one Kyriotate to stop a riot all by itselves? (And, as has been mentioned in the past, IN isn't designed to stop every munchkin via the rulez. If the GM can't detect a munchkin and use the Master of the Armies of God Distinction ability on said munchkin....) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:54:42 -0500 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: I need some good suggestions... > Essentially, I'm working on something that requires > angelic resonances that are more or less midway > between canonical angelic resonances and their > canonical demonic counterparts. Any advice along > those lines would be greatly appreciated. > > PS I've already worked out Elohite, BTW. :) And Cherub/Djinn, I hope, since they're so similar anyway? Ditto with both types of Lilim, unless you want something strange*. Hmm, (Bal)seraphim with a resonance for half-truths and grey areas? Ofabim who know what to destroy and where it is (demolitions experts)? Kyriodim who work on the corruption of groups? Mercuridites who suck essence by infiltrating existing social structures? *Malilim who geas people into being honorable? Geez, Moe, whatever you're up to must be pretty out there. Good luck. Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:56:04 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Iolanthe Superior opinions - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > Just a few suggestions > > Novalis: Coochie Coochie...OUCh! <*bite*> > > Laurence: Where'd my sword go? > > Jean: Thankfully I may remain objective....awwww....coochie...GARGH > DISSONANCE! Let us not forget... Ralph: hrmmm... errrrr... coochie coo. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:54:07 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Use of words Actually, sources that I have read have said the Baal was the god of the Cainittes (I am sure I spelled it wrong). Some sources that I have read have said that Baalzebub is a degoratory name that Jews gave to Baal (turning "Lord" into "Lord of the Dung"). However, other sources that I have read have said that Baalzebub was a pagan god of a different faith, the Lord of the Flies. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Earl Wajenberg To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 11:17 AM Subject: Re: IN> Use of words > > I've never heard of "balseraphs" or other "bal-" things outside > IN, but the popular guess is that it's short for "baal." This > is not only the name of a Demon Prince in IN, it is a semitic > word for "lord." The priests and prophets of God were often > in conflict with the worshippers of "Baal," in the Bible. > This is probably a reference to Marduk, the high god of the > Semitic pantheon. (That's why he's a good steal for the name > of a demon.) > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 07:07:39 -0500 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:03:40 -0800 (PST) Maurice Lane writes: > > (flipping munchkin switch) > > Fair enough. So whoever has the Seraph of Flowers > Attunement just walks up to random demon in crowd of > same and gives him a hug ... just before the three > snipers four blocks away put six rounds into said > demon's head, and then proceed to reap a deadly > harvest as the demons struggle to even make an effort > to push past the grinning Soldiers who have given > _them_ hugs. > > (/flipping munchkin switch) > > Novalis should really upgrade the Attunement for the > modern era. Or just restrict the blipping thing. :) Not really. No Servitor of Flowers would even *consider* such a thing - quite dissonant, y'know - and Novalis would be pissed as all Hell at someone else misusing her Servitors in such a fashion. OTOH, she will "show her thorns" when required, so now you know WHY you don't mess with Flowers. - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:00:43 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Use of words Actually, I'm writing a shitload of background information for a dark medieval comic book I'm writing called Demonbane. I'm trying to stick fairly close to Medieval lore, but I'm not above tweaking it a little. I haven't really used much in In Nomine per se, except that if I find stuff in In Nomine is backed up in medieval lore, I frequently use it. Examples of stuff that I'm using that I first encountered in In Nomine are: Kobal (Hell's jester), the Lilim (demon children of Lilith), Lilith as the embodiment of freedom, the Grigori, the Nephalim, the term choir to denote a group of angels, malakim as the warrior choir, seraphim occasionally taking the form of serpents, Cherubim appearing as sphinxes, Israfel and Gabriel appearing as women, Azazel (my version of Baal) being like a gestapo officer, and angels equally accepting of Muslim, Jewish, and Christian faiths. There are probably some more influences that In Nomine gave to me, but I can't think of them right now. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Earl Wajenberg To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 11:22 AM Subject: Re: IN> Use of words > > It sounds like you are writing your own angels-&-demons RPG. > Is that the case? Hom much of IN are you using? > > Earl > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:10:44 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Use of words A comic of my own. General overview of its demons and angels are as follows. I have divided the angels into seven choirs (in no particular order, I've dropped the Heavenly hiarchy) Seraphim: beings of fire under the orders of Uriel, archangel of fire and purity. Cherubim: guardians angels of the air under the orders of Gabriel, archangel of the air and standard bearer of Heaven. Malakim: angels of stone and strength, under Michael, archangel of the rock and war. Hayyoth: angels of animals and plants, under Hayyael, archangel of the same. Meshabbim (name I made up, modified from a specific angel's name): angels of death and darkness, watched over by Azrael, the archangel "who is set over those who rise." Tharsim: angels of the waters, serving Raphael, arhcnagel of healing and knowledge Shemmium (another choir derived from a specific angel's name): angels of love and art, seriving Israfel, "whose heartstrings are a lute." Demons are a bit more complicated. I have divided demons into the Fallen (former angels, the balseraphim, balcherubim, or whatever you wnat to call them), the Lilim (creating by Lilith mating with angels, giants, gods, etc.), and the Imp-Born (created in Hell from imps). Oh, and the cambions, half-human mongrels. This is a hierachy of power by the way. Demons are further divided into Legions (my equivalent of bands, I guess), each one serving one of the nine demon princes: Asmodeus (the regent of Hell), Rosier (demon prince of lust), Mammon (demon prince of sloth, greed, and gluttony), Marchosias (demon prince of wrath), Mephistopheles (demon prince of black magic and twisted science), Dacarabia (demon princess of cruelty), Azazel (general of Hell, demon prince of traitors), Belial (demon prince of lies and trickery), and Beelzebub (demon prince of disease, death, and decay). Over all of these guys is Lucifer, and associated with Lucifer is his consort Lilith and his jester Kobal. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Walton To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 11:27 AM Subject: Re: IN> Use of words > > --- Bevan Thomas wrote: > > ben-Elohim is a name for angels, meaning something along the lines of > > "servants of God," right? > > "Sons of God," to be precise. > > > > Also, is there any special mythological use of the word "bal" before > > a > > demon's formal choir (as in "bal-seraph" in In Nomine)? > > "Bal-" is a prefix (not sure what language; help me out, somebody?) > that denotes a pejorative. Thus, a Balseraph is a "bad Seraph." Most > Bands of demons, even in mythology, have specific "species" names, > however. Are you writing up Minor Choirs/Bands or are you cooking up > something else? > > ===== > Michael Walton, #9805-068 > "...faith is only pure when it does not negate > the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:13:38 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Use of words Thank you. I think I'll use that. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Liddell To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 12:12 PM Subject: Re: IN> Use of words > > If you are after a way of Demonizing a choir then add et Demonis or ex Dei > AFTER the choir name. Which forms an "Elohim in Demonic" or a "Seraph > removed from God". Mind you the Ecclesiastical Latin and the Classical > Latin both have different meanings in those senses. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:28:35 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Yes, I'm afraid so. At 5:03 PM -0500 12/18/00, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >At 11:30 AM -0800 12/18/00, Michael Walton wrote: >>--- Maurice Lane wrote: >>> If I ever make it to whatever that big gaming con is >>> that everyone goes to, I'll bring it along so you can >>> look at it. >> >> I believe you're refering to GenCon. Overrated, IMHO, but good to >>experience at least once. There was no IN when I went, though. > >Clearly, Moe should go to Arisia as a result. > >Don't look for reasons why. Well, if he does, I hope that someone tells me so I can pack the special ink concentrate and doner kit. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:52:05 -0600 From: Matt Diederich Subject: IN> Campaign ideas. Hi! Long-time listener, first time writer... (Er, not really. Anyway) I'm starting up a campaign for In Nomine. It's my first time running the game, and I'm terribly excited about it. However, here is my dilemma... My players came up with this idea to accomodate the fact they were new to the game system. They would be mortals - chargened as mortals. Over time they would 'learn' their Celestial status and I would decide based on their roleplaying what Superior/Choir they were aligned with. Great! I thought. This is a way for us to jump into RP and allow them to learn things in-character. However, I have a few questions. 1. Aside from the relic mentioned in the first Superior book (Or maybe the second, it was late when I read it last night) are their any mechanisms to 'make' a Celestial forget who/what they are? 2. What do y'all (Jeez, now I'm writing like a Texan) think of the idea? Any ideas are welcome. Matt. Er. Um. I don't have a title yet. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:57:37 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Saminga in love quotes of villany hey folks! I just thought I'd share some more of my advice on what to say while KILLING PEOPLE! 1. "No Mr. I expect you to die!" 2. "I love the smell of in the morning" 3. BWHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA (good for all occasions!) 4. I wanna drive the Zamboni...over your skull! (surprisingly terrifying but the confused looks on their faces) 5. DEAD BY DAWN! DEAD BY DAWN! YOU WILL ALL BE DEAD BY DAWN (substitute night if it's dawn) 6. I'll be back....TO KILL YOU! (always good to kill first ask questions later) 7. Come get some! DEATH! 8. Not an actual quote but a word of advice...do NOT claim all your titles to Michael...he will hit you. Laurence is okay. 9. Whose the leader of the gang whose made to kill you and me...S-A-M-I-N-G-A! (occasionally I have Lucifer impersonators in the background trying to steal my thunder hehehe) 10. Your far too trusting....BLOW UP ALDERAAN! 11. I lied. *unspeakable killing in some manner* (I just do this alot! It never gets old heheheheh) 12. PIKA PIKA PIKA! (which apparently is the most horrid curse angels hear because even Malakim blanch as I cut them down!) 13. You've got something in your eye, let me get it....*SLAM* *CRUNCH* 14. GIVE INTO THE DEATH SIDE! 15. Theres nothing...I mean...NOTHING a big enough weapon and a mound of victems cannot fix. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:03:49 +1300 From: "Alex Liddell" Subject: Re: IN> Campaign ideas. >1. Aside from the relic mentioned in the first Superior book (Or maybe the >second, it was late when I read it last night) are their any mechanisms to >'make' a Celestial forget who/what they are? There are songs such as the Song of Oblivion or Forgetting that can remove a Celestials memory. Those songs are Lost as the Superiors that knew them are long since destroyed. That could be a cool in road for your campaign.... Discovering WHO used the song on them and so on! >2. What do y'all (Jeez, now I'm writing like a Texan) think of the idea? I think that it is a perfect was to introduce people without dropping them in the deep end as Angels. It raises heaps of cool plots though. Alex _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:03:51 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Saminga in love quotes of villany - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Phipps" To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 5:57 PM Subject: IN> Saminga in love quotes of villany > 15. Theres nothing...I mean...NOTHING a big enough weapon and a mound of > victems cannot fix. What, not even a messy floor? - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:07:22 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Saminga in love quotes of villany From: "Charles Glasgow" > > From: "Charles Phipps" > > > 15. Theres nothing...I mean...NOTHING a big enough weapon and a mound of > > victems cannot fix. > > What, not even a messy floor? Who can see the dirt on the floor under all those bodies? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:10:05 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Saminga in love quotes of villany - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prodigal" To: Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 6:07 PM Subject: Re: IN> Saminga in love quotes of villany > From: "Charles Glasgow" > > > > From: "Charles Phipps" > > > > > 15. Theres nothing...I mean...NOTHING a big enough weapon and a mound of > > > victems cannot fix. > > > > What, not even a messy floor? > > Who can see the dirt on the floor under all those bodies? Twasn't the dirt that was the problem. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:01:33 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Campaign ideas. At 5:52 PM -0600 12/18/00, Matt Diederich wrote: > >1. Aside from the relic mentioned in the first Superior book (Or >maybe the second, it was late when I read it last night) are their >any mechanisms to 'make' a Celestial forget who/what they are? Remnantizing is a good way, sadly enough. A Remnant rarely remembers much about his glorious past, falling instead into Humanity. Otherwise, stripping said Celestial of his Ethereal Forces and grafting 'fresh' ones would do it, but in a way that's just a Remnant variant. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:18:53 -0600 (CST) From: Benjamin Acosta Subject: Re: IN> I need some good suggestions... > From: Maurice Lane > Subject: IN> I need some good suggestions... > > Essentially, I'm working on something that requires > angelic resonances that are more or less midway > between canonical angelic resonances and their > canonical demonic counterparts. Any advice along > those lines would be greatly appreciated. Here's an idea I had when I was thinking about a variant setting in which the faerie were not ethereals, but were actually, as some legends state, those angels who chose neither side during the Fall. They would be a set of kiths (I know its White Wolf Terminology but I couldn't think of a better term) that were created during the Fall, like the Malakim, stuck half way between angel and demon, and while faerie versions of relievers could fledge into them, and Faerie Lords (the Archangels and Princes of Faerie) could create them, angels and demons could no longer be stuck at the halfway point. I only could come up with the Seraph derived kith, so I tabled it. Here it is. The Shidhe The Oathtakers As Seraphim are the holiest of all angels, and Balseraphim the most infernal of demons, the Shidhe are the noblest of all faerie. At the fulcrum between Seraph and Balseraph, a Shidhe ressembles neither, but instead appears as a glorius version of human perfection and beauty. It's as if they moved down the angelic spectrum past Mecurian and stuck halfway. Resonance While Seraphim can sense the Truth from the Symphony and Balseraphim can compel themselves and others to believe their version of truth, the Shidhe's resonance is sort of a compromise between the two. They can compel themselves and others to live up to the truth. A Shidhe can cause someone who swears an oath to be geased to live up to that oath. One's given word is sancrosanct to a shidhe. Dissonance As oaths are at the heart of their being, being forsworn strikes is the worst thing a Shidhe can do. A Shidhe can lie and decieve, but it can never break its word once given without suffering. Consider any oath they make just like a Malkite's for purposes of Dissonance. Manner and Appearance As stated before, Shidhe appear as humans of regal beauty in celestial form. They often carry this over in their vessels, possessing at least +1 Charisma, and frequently quite higher. They carry themselves as high nobility, attempting to exude an aura of regalness. They could be gracious or arrogant, but they are never humble. If they thought of themselves in musical terms they would all be lead singers. Prima Donnas are what others say behind their backs. Game Mechanics Shidhe can impose gesea, but only on oaths sworn in their presence. One advantage they have to compensate is that if the target is willing, then no success check is needed. The level of the Gesea is determined by the seriousness of the oath. Trivial oaths would be a 1, while swearing one's self to an arduous quest would be worth a 6. Shidhe are also capable of affecting more than one target if oaths are sworn as a group, or as part of a deal. If the target does not truly wish to abide by the oath, then it resists the Gesea as they can a Lilim's. Another effect of their resnance is that Shidhe can sense when an oath imposed by them is broken, which oath, and by who. Shidhe in The War Like all faerie, The Shidhe take no formal part on the war on either side, but instead involve themselves on their own concerns. Sometimes, the concerns of individual Shidhe converge with the War, and conflict or cooperation can result. Shidhe, like all faerie, don't have to worry about falling from their in between state, but like demons and Malakim, convert their dissoance to discord. Unlike demons or Malakim, they have the option of jumping to EITHER side, becoming a Seraph or a Balseraph as it wishes. However, once it has made its choice, it can never go back. It can fall or redeem, but the between state of faerie is lost to it forever. Needless to say, few Shidhe have ever chosen either option. Those with inclinations toward either side prefer mostly to supply aid as is. But some say the time will come, at Armageddon, for all the undecided of faerie to make the Final Choice. No one knows whether that is actually true, but the Shidhe prefer to hold Armageddon off for as long as possible. Hope that helps you out. Ben, Elohite of Eli Angel of Neat Ideas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 19:44:28 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> A disturbing little seed and NPC Hajile Baron of Armageddon Djinn of Corruption The Demon of Prophecy Cor-1 Str-3 Agil-1 Eth-5 Int-12 Pre-8 Cor-6 Will-12 Per-12 Artifacts: The Book of End Times 12/ Skills: Writing 11/ Songs: None rembered Attunments: None remembered effectively enough to use Word Forces: Unknown but he will sacrafice his forces well before losing ties to his word Rites If he has any then they likely to be with the writing down of his visions Hajile is a demon that Kronos keeps tucked away in a quiet corner of his library scribbling away constantly at endless piles of paper that relievers constantly are updating as drool seems to pour continually at his mouth as the Djinn's eyes stare vacantly forward twitching with images that cannot be seen by anyone else but he but are constant and neverending. An equal number of relivers are constantly bringing Hajile pens, quils, pencils, and pots of ink, blood, wine, and whatever else he requests in a frantic mad voice to write his visions down. Hajile's story is lost but to the most dark books and rumors in the Archives as most assume (wrongly) that he is some demon Lucifer cursed with the "gift" of Prophecy for some great arrogance. In truth Hajile's gift is distinctly divine in nature and is frightening evidence to the power of God even to effect the most disturbed beings in Hell. A demon in the service of Corruption Hajile was said to be one of the master archivers of Hell and determined to find evidence however faint of Hellish victory....proof beyond the rantings of the fools and false in Hell's ranks that God would fall or somehow grant Hell favor enough to win. Hajile eventually found himself in a temple in Tibet where he had tracked down one of God's prophets who he knew to be in the service to Gabrielle but whom he believed would occupied as his current master Legion was currently bringing forth some of Saint John's revelations as he destroyed both demon and angel in his mad desire to engulf all. Fate had somehow saved him from the battle and he confronted the prophet to torture out of him the truth....as the battle was won with Raphael's sacrafice and Gabrielle was summoned by one of the gaurdian servitors who was not as dead as he had hoped. Half mad with the fanatical nature of his work and the constant confrontation with portents that gave him no solace he openly attacked Gabrielle as he cursed God to give him the truth.....and it was given. Hajile now writes piles and piles of prophecy as he never stops, utters a word save to continue his writing, and acknowledges not even strikes by attackers though six of Kronos's servitors have slain every who has disturbed Hajile since his appointment, on permanent assignment along with the 12 extremely small relivers whose sole purpose is to compile his work which is a massive tome that has come to be known among the servitors of Kronos as the book of the End times. Copies of portions have been made available to special servitors but they are nigh incomprehensible without the previous work. For example... ....And lo I looked into the might ten headed jaws of corruptions new face and the Beast spoke unto me that one would need to choose from the get of she who had forsaken the womb and love unconditional for the crown of that which she would never have. Saying unto her three times if she loved him she must reply Ya, I do as to wear the Crown of the Lady of the Clawed that will bring savagry ripping hell to the forrests and trees. He who is most favored above the life that is all but the most favored will screach and wail and tear as the Beast shall laugh. Haliejuah the Clawed Ones shall raise their throats to Hell and the tears shall be as a flood that Noah shall not survive. - -A selection from the Book of End Times It is believed possibly that the entire book shall reveal the plans of Hell and the comming truth of Armageddon from cover to cover if collected and while a few attempts have been made to steal it no Prince has yet risked the wrath of Kronos to do so but it is only a matter of time before someone seeks out Hajile's work to do so....and everyone is curious once he stops. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1978 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.