From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Dec 20 20:33:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04714 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:33:28 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id UAA05556 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:32:58 -0600 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:32:58 -0600 Message-Id: <200012210232.UAA05556@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1983 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, December 20 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1983 In this digest: Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement IN> [Saminga in Love] Saminga's son IN> [ADMIN] Habeo pestis Re: IN> Another newbie GM seeking advice... Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement Re: IN> GURPS and Grigori... what the heck? Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement IN> Re: Wings IN> [Admin] Clip the posts, people... Re: IN> Re: Wings Re: IN> Use of words Re: IN> Use of words Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement Re: IN> Choirs/Bands Re: IN> Campaign ideas. Re: IN> Re: Wings Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement Re: IN> Answered Prayers... Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement Re: IN> Re: Choirs/Bands Re: IN> Applied Psychology Re: IN> Suggestions: Austin Clique Re: IN> Santa's Little Helpers IN> Songs of Time and More (long) Re: IN> Applied Psychology Re: IN> Choirs/Bands Re: IN> GURPS and Grigori... what the heck? IN> [Saminga in love] Top 15 Christmas gifts for the Demon Prince of Death Re: IN> [Saminga in love] Top 15 Christmas gifts for the Demon Prince of Death IN> The Demon of Prophecy IN> The Prince of Hell [Fiction] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:05:32 -0500 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement Maurice Lane wrote: > Elizabeth McCoy > > > > Remnant Seraphim of Flowers are probably nearly as > > rare as Bright Lilim, when you think about the > > contortions needed to get them in that state. > > Curses. Yet another Evil Scheme destroyed logic, the > one force in the universe I cannot defeat. I really > must get a five-year-old child to be my most trusted > advisor. Bah. A Balseraph that cannot convince itself that what it's doing is not violence should be denied the nifty card and discount. (Why yes, Balseraphs get membership cards that give them discounts at all major retailers. Why do you ask? Do you not have yours? Perhaps you thought you could masquerade as a Balseraph? Surprised to learn how truly deluded you were?) - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:20:30 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> [Saminga in Love] Saminga's son Chtho'no'lock "Bob" Impudite of Death Saminga's son Cor-1 Str-2 Agil-2 Eth-2 Int-4 Pre-4 Cel-6 Will-12 Per-12 Vessel: Human 3/ (Charisma +2) Servant: Human 2/ Status 2/ (Oz the Stoner) Skills: Computer Operation 2/, Dodge 2/, Drive 2/, Fast Talk 2/, Investigation 2/, Ranged Weapon 3/, Tracking 2/ Songs: Charm (Ethereal 2/), Healing (Corporeal 3/, Celestial 1/) Attunments: Impudite of Saminga Ctho'no'lock was concieved as one of Saminga's greatest warriors when he was created, a living testament to the seductive power of Death that when born from the remanent celestial forces of one of the most powerful servitors Saminga had ever created. Saminga fondly remembers "The Destroyer" and is caught in a mailaise about his childe's wonderful death cults and horrofic abominations whenever around the new creation and treats him with an exagerated respect and with secrets that he would never share (including "his plan") with any other servitor. Saminga has expected some recovery time from "his heir" and whom he eventually envisions taking the mantle of Prince...perhaps the War from Baal or something else like Murder or Horror....but most other servitors are getting a bit skeptical of their prince's confident. Especially since the "future Demon Prince" names himself "Bob" and has taken up the profession of solving supernatural crimes on Earth. Thus far no massive plagues, no releasing untold evil sorceries, and not even a hundred corpses ranked up there. In truth Ctho'no'lock (who really wishes his hellish name was pronounceable) is just an extremely selfish demon who likes the intellectual challenge of figuring out whose screwing who in the War and making sure that he comes out on top of it. He's alittle put off by his "old man's" rantings but he chalks that up to one too many nights in the morgue without getting laid. As a favored servitor of Saminga he's gotton called on to do some pretty weird stuff in his time and is getting kinduv weirded out by his fellow demons...then he remembers Lilim and how chicks dig Anti-heroes and gets with the program of slaying the Malakim. Ctho'no'lock is cursed with what can best be described as "nightmares" concerning his former self which routinely haunt him and on occasion he's found himself "sleepwalking" where he doesen't remember how he got to a specific place and how's theres's usually a corpse of some kind nearby. Already he's gotton a certain delusion that his "previous self" is actually trying to take over his body and he thus tries to distance himself from the thing as much as possible by focusing on doing the exact opposite of what Ctho'no'lock (also the name of the previous demon) would do. He has no love for Heaven and while he loves humans he mostly loves what they can do for him, and they'res a disturbing parental affection for Saminga as well and he would go through (no pun intended) Hell for him and back. If Bob survives long enough the climate of bizzarity that sending fated souls to Hell and occasionally mad destinys requires...he may just make something of himself but if he isn't careful "Daddy" may want to make him something much more different. (Cth'no'lock is a balanced starting NPC) - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:56:13 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> [ADMIN] Habeo pestis Yes, I know that latin is so frractured that it needs to be in a cast. But, well, habeo pestis. Or at least a cold. A nasty one. O:p Be good, 'cause I'm not going to be checking email much till I get better, and if I find people _weren't_ good, I'll be even more peeved than if I'd been able to jump on it early... - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:01:54 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Another newbie GM seeking advice... At 12:14 PM -0400 12/19/00, pbarkow@is2.dal.ca wrote: >What books should I get to start off? So far, all I have is GURPS: In >Nomine. What would complement that well? The Game Master's Guide (GMG), the Superior books, Liber Castellorum, Liber Canticorum, Liber Reliquarum. In that order. O:> Liber Servitorum might be useful, but requires lotsa conversion. You Are Here should require very little conversion. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:46:03 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 3:05 PM Subject: Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement > Maurice Lane wrote: > > Curses. Yet another Evil Scheme destroyed logic, the > > one force in the universe I cannot defeat. I really > > must get a five-year-old child to be my most trusted > > advisor. > > Bah. A Balseraph that cannot convince itself that what it's doing is > not violence should be denied the nifty card and discount. It's not the *Balseraph* that needs convincing -- it's the Symphony. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:04:53 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> GURPS and Grigori... what the heck? At 10:22 PM -0500 12/19/00, Kirt Dankmyer, aka Loki wrote: >I was... quite... surprised by the information about the Grigori in GURPS >In Nomine. The *detailed* information on their resonance, their dissonace, >everything... I was wondering when this was going to appear in an In Nomine >supplement proper, or if it had appeared somewhere and I missed it somehow? Oiy, this should be a FAQ... When we were working on GIN, we were under the impression that the Grigori information would2 be released00000000 either just before, just after,. or even concurrently. Events conspired so tht that was not thre case./ I have a baby leaning on my hands and the keyboazrd so I cannot type well. Sorry. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:07:02 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement At 4:05 PM -0500 12/20/00, Krishnaswami, Neel wrote: >Maurice Lane wrote: >> Elizabeth McCoy >> > >> > Remnant Seraphim of Flowers are probably nearly as >> > rare as Bright Lilim, when you think about the >> > contortions needed to get them in that state. >> >> Curses. Yet another Evil Scheme destroyed logic, the >> one force in the universe I cannot defeat. I really >> must get a five-year-old child to be my most trusted >> advisor. > >Bah. A Balseraph that cannot convince itself that what it's doing is >not violence should be denied the nifty card and discount. Nah -- Balseraphs have a hard time convincing themselves they're free falling in the face of gravity, too. Or _not_ falling of a building, as the gravity of the situation may be. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:50:07 -0500 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: Wings > The clear reference to six wings and feet (and later to hands) is > why I favor picturing seraphim and balseraphs as resembling > six-winged Chinese dragons. But Chinese dragons don't typically have ANY wings. Hence Confucius saying (according to legend) that Lao-zi was a dragon, "for no one knows how dragons fly through the sky" (translated very poorly by me, of course). I do agree on the six wings thing, though. Like the angels in Digimon :) Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:18:33 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> [Admin] Clip the posts, people... Naming no names, but I'm seeing a _lot_ of posts which are quoting _way_ more of the post that they're answering than they should. Remember: clip quotes. Use [...] or "snip" or any other form of showing that you are clipping. DEFINITELY clip .sigs unless you are responding to them. If your message is half quote, look carefully at it. If it is more then 2/3rds quote, it is almost certainly too long. Don't make me kill people over Xmas... - --Beth, Princess of List Admin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:01:30 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wings Jonathan Walton wrote: > But Chinese dragons don't typically have ANY wings. They don't typically have six eyes and haloes, either. I was just trying to convey how I favor picturing seraphim. A uniform coat of feathers is also part of the image. With an elongated fan of plumage along the tail. Then we talk about individual coloration. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:14:56 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Use of words - --- Bevan Thomas wrote: > Actually, I'm writing a shitload of background information for a dark > medieval comic book I'm writing called Demonbane. I'm trying to stick > fairly > close to Medieval lore, but I'm not above tweaking it a little. Sounds like a major undertaking. Good luck. > Examples of stuff that I'm using that I first encountered in In > Nomine are: [snip] malakim as the warrior choir Malakim aren't listed as a warrior Choir in the sources I've seen. I have seen "malakh" (I think that's Arabic) and "malaika" (Swahili) as generic words for angel. Malakite is derived from those terms. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:10:42 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Use of words - --- Bevan Thomas wrote: > Actually, sources that I have read have said the Baal was the god of > the > Cainittes (I am sure I spelled it wrong). Correct. And no, you didn't spell it wrong. > Some sources that I have read have > said that Baalzebub is a degoratory name that Jews gave to Baal > (turning > "Lord" into "Lord of the Dung"). However, other sources that I have > read > have said that Baalzebub was a pagan god of a different faith, the > Lord of the Flies. Baalzebub, Beelzebub and Baalzebul are all variants of "Lord of the Flies" from the Aramaic. The connotation of "Lord of the Dungheap" does sound like the ancient Hebrews taking a crack at the Caananite god. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:03:17 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement At 3:46 PM -0600 12/20/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: > > > Bah. A Balseraph that cannot convince itself that what it's doing is >> not violence should be denied the nifty card and discount. > >It's not the *Balseraph* that needs convincing -- it's the Symphony. Ah, but the imposition of one's personal Symphony upon the Symphony at large -- in a Balseraph's case, convincing it that the Balseraph is right and the truth wrong -- is the very *heart* of a Demonic resonance. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:17:00 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Choirs/Bands - -----Original Message----- From: in_nomine-digest To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 3:43 PM Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1982 I like this idea. I've had the idea of making the various Seraphim a bit more Dragon-like (Especially in the cases of Lucifer and Michael), and making them more like Asian Dragons covers that very well. It also explains why the Purity Crusade focused a lot on destroying the Ethereal Dragons, possibly seen as an aberration by the various Seraphs. Having the Seraphim look more like Asian Dragons also adds a bit of an International Flavor to Heaven, instead of just making it Judeo-Christian. >Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 11:42:21 -0800 >From: "Bevan Thomas" >Subject: Re: IN> Choirs/Bands > >That's cool. And if Satan is a balseraph... well, he is the Dragon >(something I play up quite a bit in my comic). So the look suits him quite >well. > >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: Earl Wajenberg >To: >Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 11:20 AM >Subject: Re: IN> Choirs/Bands > > >> Whistling in the Dark wrote: >> >> > Also, from Isaiah, 6:1-3 (The Calling of Isaiah, KJV), we have: >> [...] >> > Above it stood the seraphims (sic): each one had six wings; with >> > twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and >> > with twain he did fly. >> >> The clear reference to six wings and feet (and later to hands) is >> why I favor picturing seraphim and balseraphs as resembling >> six-winged Chinese dragons. That way, they're still serpentine >> but have the canonical number of limbs. >> >> Earl >> >> (And I don't mean IN canon...) >> I like this idea. I've had the idea of making the various Seraphim a bit more Dragon-like (Especially in the cases of Lucifer and Michael), and making them more like Asian Dragons covers that very well. It also explains why the Purity Crusade focused a lot on destroying the Ethereal Dragons, possibly seen as an aberration by the various Seraphs. Having the Seraphim look more like Asian Dragons also adds a bit of an International Flavor to Heaven, instead of just making it Judeo-Christian. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:19:46 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Campaign ideas. - --- Matt Diederich wrote: > 1. Aside from the relic mentioned in the first Superior book (Or > maybe the second, it was late when I read it last night) are their > any mechanisms to 'make' a Celestial forget who/what they are? I suppose one of the Songs of Memory could do it (no books with me at the moment). If you have access to Liber Canticorum, check that. > 2. What do y'all (Jeez, now I'm writing like a Texan) think of the > idea? Sorry about that. Must be my Contagious Drawl Discord acting up again. 0;;;> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:01:30 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wings Jonathan Walton wrote: > But Chinese dragons don't typically have ANY wings. They don't typically have six eyes and haloes, either. I was just trying to convey how I favor picturing seraphim. A uniform coat of feathers is also part of the image. With an elongated fan of plumage along the tail. Then we talk about individual coloration. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:24:04 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Whistling in the Dark" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 4:03 PM Subject: Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement > At 3:46 PM -0600 12/20/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: > > > > > Bah. A Balseraph that cannot convince itself that what it's doing is > >> not violence should be denied the nifty card and discount. > > > >It's not the *Balseraph* that needs convincing -- it's the Symphony. > > Ah, but the imposition of one's personal Symphony upon the Symphony > at large -- in a Balseraph's case, convincing it that the Balseraph > is right and the truth wrong -- is the very *heart* of a Demonic > resonance. Actually, I'd thought it was the imposition of one's own personal Symphony over *another being's perception* of the Symphony. With the possible exception of the First Balseraph, Balseraphs have had a notorious lack of success in (as Beth pointed out) trying to convince gravity that they could fly without wings, or trying to convince fire that they were fireproof, or etc, etc. There is a *reason* that the Balseraph resonance is usable only for lying to *people*, and only one (or small groups) of them at once. Again, save possibly for Lucifer, a Balseraph should not be able to lie to the Symphony as a whole. Which is precisely what you'd have to do to to win in this situation. It's not the Seraph who decides what is and is not violent (this is so as to remove the munchkining effect of taking an Outcast Seraph of Flowers with a Discord of Massive Delusion/6, "Nothing I do is *really* violent", and then trying to convince the DM that that allows him to be immune to his own attunement),-- it's the nature of the attunement itself, which means the Symphony, which means God, which means good luck lyin' to *this* one. Balseraphs may be cool, but they're not *this* powerful. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:28:39 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Answered Prayers... - --- Douglas Muir wrote: > Rossie, the Demon of Answered Prayers This is eeeee-vil! I like it lots. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 17:36:02 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Seraph of Flowers attunement At 4:24 PM -0600 12/20/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: > > >Balseraphs may be cool, but they're not *this* powerful. > >-- >Chuckg Oh, I agree, completely, and for all the reasons you listed. But it fairly begged to be said, now didn't it? - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:44:45 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Re: Choirs/Bands - --- Jonathan Walton wrote: > > > > Actually, there are many traditions of 'kinds' of demons. Things > like > > Succubi and Shedim (yes indeed) and the like. > > Yeah, but those all (at least, so I gather) came out of legends about > a > specific demon. For instance, there were probably stories about > demons named "Syccubus" and "Shedim" at one point or other. No... succubi and incubi are classes of demon from medieval lore. Shedim are a type of evil spirit from Middle Eastern mythology. Habbalah are listed as angels of punishment in a variety of sources (whether or not they're actually Fallen depends on which source you go by). Lilim are listed as Lilin in the Dictionary of Angels as the female version of Shaitans (which _are_ a class of demons named after a specific individual). There are lots of other examples, but space doesn't permit a complete listing nor is this the place for it. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 14:58:22 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Applied Psychology - --- Janet Anderson wrote: > If you're giving a character Psychology, but you don't want the > science but > the skill as it is applied to interpersonal relations (such as the > Role of a > bouncer and sometime bartender), would it then be governed by > Perception instead of Intelligence? If you want a character to be skilled in the rules of interpersonal relations, Psychology isn't your best bet. Go for Savoir-faire. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:06:44 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Suggestions: Austin Clique - --- "Kirt Dankmyer, aka Loki" wrote: > I have some ideas as to what would motivate the Austin clique to do > this, > but they're fuzzy, and I wanted some alternate opinions to my own. > Any > ideas? What would be so... scary... that most of the clique, on both > sides > of the Truce, would choose to call for backup, potentially risking > the Truce itself? Another Legion. Even if it's only a rumor. That would do it. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:12:33 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Santa's Little Helpers Oh no... Santa's Little Helper is something else. How do you think he gets around so fast? Thanks, Fleurity! };;;> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:22:40 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: IN> Songs of Time and More (long) Let there be much rejoicing in the land! I was finally able to recover all the data on my old computer that got fried. To start the celebration, here's a mess of Songs I came up with including my take on the Songs of Time. Enjoy! Anointing/Defiling (Celestial only) This Song is used to bless a Corporeal weapon so that it does Celestial damage. The number of attacks that gain the blessing is equal to the Check Digit. Very few Superiors know this Song, and they only teach it to Servitors who have proven their effectiveness. The Song of Anointing is the angelic version; only those on the side of Hell can learn the Song of Defiling. Essence Requirement: 3 Degree of Disturbance: 2 Available: (Anointing) Khalid, Laurence (Defiling) Magog, Saminga Blooming The Songs of Blooming give the player control over plants. Novalis frequently teaches them to faithful Servitors. Fleurity also knows and teaches these Songs. Each use of a Song of Blooming effects one plant or an area of grass (player's total Forces) feet across. Corporeal -- Accelerates the growth of plants. Unlike the Corporeal Song of Entropy, a plant fast-grown with this Song will reach its full natural size. The plant experiences months of growth equal to three times the Check Digit. Ethereal -- Plants effected by this Song gain limited animation. They can grasp with a Strength equal to the Check Digit +3 or move with an Agility of 1. This effect lasts for one hour per point of Essence spent on the Song. Celestial -- One chosen property of the plant (i.e. medicinal value, intoxicating effect, thorniness or toxicity) is permanently intensified. The effect of this is determined by the Check Digit; thorns and poisons do that much additional damage, each dose of a drug acts as that many additional doses, etc. These enhanced properties cannot be passed on to offspring (except perhaps when granted by Superiors). Essence Requirement: 1 Degree of Disturbance: 1 (2 for Celestial) Available: Fleurity, Novalis Fission By far the newest Song to be summoned out of the Symphony is this masterpiece of power. A Song of Fission releases vast energy. Sometimes it even does so in a controlled manner. The Superiors who know these Songs are _very_ selective about which Servitors know them; screw-ups need not apply. Corporeal -- This Song creates a small nuclear explosion. Everything within a half-mile radius (including the player) takes Body Hits equal to (Essence spent + CD) x 5. This Song disturbs the Symphony far too much to be used in anything but the direst emergency. Ethereal -- Got watts? The Ethereal Song of Fission generates large quantities of usable energy. Enough power is created to fuel a major appliance constantly for (CD x 3) months. This power won't do anything but run a device or group of devices that are hooked up to it. Celestial -- Sometimes called "God's Nuke," this Song creates an explosion of Symphonic energy. The player must spend Essence and, if the Song is played successfully, sacrifice one of his own Forces! Every hostile entity within one mile then takes Soul Hits equal to (CD + Essence spent) x3. Essence Requirement: 6 Degree of Disturbance: 10 (30 for Celestial) Available: Baal, Belial, Gabriel, Jean, Michael, Vapula Time This rare Song is known by few Superiors and is only taught to the most loyal Servitors. No starting character may have it. Any version may be played on a person or an area. Corporeal -- the flow of time is either speeded up or slowed down. This allows extra actions in one turn equal to the Check Digit divided by two (round up) or makes a single action take a number of turns equal to the Check Digit. Speed-up effect lasts for one turn while slow-down effect lasts until the decelerated action is completed. Extra actions must be physical; Attunements and Songs may only be used once per turn. Ethereal -- the player is able to see the past or future of a person, object or area. The amount of time sensed is determined by the Check Digit and the chart below. Seeing both the future and the past requires separate uses of this Song. Check Digit Results 1: up to one hour 2: up to one day 3: up to one week 4: up to one month 5: up to one year 6: user's choice or look for a specific event Celestial -- stops the flow of time for the target person or area. The stasis field lasts for a number of turns equal to the Check Digit. Essence Requirement: 3 (5 for an area) Degree of Disturbance: 2 (3 for Corporeal) Available: Asmodeus, Dominic, Kronos, Lilith, Litheroy, Yves ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:44:15 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Applied Psychology > If you want a character to be skilled in the rules of interpersonal >relations, Psychology isn't your best bet. Go for Savoir-faire. > I am under the impression that Savoir-Faire lets people know how to behave in social situations, e.g. what fork to use, what to call the Ambassador's wife, what to wear and when. This is a useful skill, but not necessarily for a bouncer/bartender. Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 16:32:02 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Choirs/Bands Well, with its concepts of reincarnation and bodhisattvas (both very Buddhist), In Nomine is already moving a little away from the Abrahamic faiths (Jewish/Christian/Islam). The opening short story of the rulebook makes reference to karma as well, and says that angels are no more Christian then the world is. The Cherub sign is Babylonian (I believe), showing a fabulous beast known as the Simmurgh (or something along those lines). I probably spelled the creature's name wrong, but you get my point. It also has reference to Anubis, the Egyptian guardian of the dead. So we already have elements in the choirs that are not really Abrahamic at all. Though having the seraphim appear as Eastern dragons does add to that, and they are quite cool. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Rolland Therrien To: ; Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 2:17 PM Subject: Re: IN> Choirs/Bands > > -----Original Message----- > From: in_nomine-digest > To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com > Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2000 3:43 PM > Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1982 > > I like this idea. I've had the idea of making the various Seraphim a bit > more Dragon-like (Especially in the cases of Lucifer and Michael), and > making them more like Asian Dragons covers that very well. It also explains > why the Purity Crusade focused a lot on destroying the Ethereal Dragons, > possibly seen as an aberration by the various Seraphs. Having the Seraphim > look more like Asian Dragons also adds a bit of an International Flavor to > Heaven, instead of just making it Judeo-Christian. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:28:44 -0500 From: "Kirt Dankmyer, aka Loki" Subject: Re: IN> GURPS and Grigori... what the heck? > >I was... quite... surprised by the information about the Grigori in GURPS > >In Nomine. The *detailed* information on their resonance, their dissonace, > >everything... I was wondering when this was going to appear in an In Nomine > >supplement proper, or if it had appeared somewhere and I missed it somehow? > > Oiy, this should be a FAQ... Yes, I checked the FAQ and couldn't find it there, either. ;) I guess the follow up question is: How canonical is the info on Grigori in GURPS: In Nomine? If not immediately, can we at least expect to see the normal In Nomine stats eventually? And assuming they *are* canonical, since the "cat is out of the bag" as it were, with regard to GURPS: In Nomine, perhaps the In Nomine stats and info should appear on a web page somewhere, or a Pyramid article? Since I wrote one of the earlier noncanonical takes on the Grigori, I sort of have a vested interest in this. ;) I want to be able to look at the canonical stuff and figure out if I want to convert my favorite Grigori NPCs to canon. I'm not sure how much it would change the flavor. In the case of my most hated Grigori, Zeke, probably not at all. (See, Zeke believes God owes him an apology. This really gets on people's nerves, even demons. This personality trait is more important than his resonance, per se...) -Loki P.S. BTW, since I wasn't on the list when it happened (IIRC), I'd like congratulate Archangel Beth on the baby. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:42:56 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> [Saminga in love] Top 15 Christmas gifts for the Demon Prince of Death Saminga doesn't like Christmas really...he much prefers the time just before Easter to celebrate but he'll accept the gifts if you know what to get him. If you don't he will consider your head his present. So to better help you shop for your cowled Lord of Darkness here's some presents for the softer side of Saminga *WARNING GRATIOUS HUMOR AHEAD* 1. A brutally slain corpse...sure I know it's like ties, underwear, and socks to him but he never gets enough of them. 2. Novalis wrapped in a big red bow and bound...MUHAHHAHAHAHAHA 3. An authentic Freddy Krueger glove or Hockey Mask 4. a Zamboni with fire decals and "Prince of Death" bumper sticker 5. A new copy of Schindler's List...he wore his old one out 6. A bordello of beutiful female and male vampires to lure unsuspecting hormonally starved young men and women from Andre 7. A hackmaster +12 or a flying lawnmower...he just NEEDS one 8. Lucifer, Asmodeus, Kronos, and the entire Heavenly host to get on their knees and kiss his bony white arse! 9. A Vapulan Pokemon or Supercow to let run loose playgrounds 10. America's Funniest Home Fatalies volumes I through CCXXIII 11. Fruitcake 12. The acess codes and means to set off America or Russia's nuclear armaments or secret biological weapon supply....or just a really really really big gun to blow up Earth. 13. A bicycle 14. The Soul of Vincent Price...dangit he can't find it around here anywhere. 15. The orginal Death Star in life-size (attempts to convince him it's not real are futile...he FELT alderaan's destruction...he's sure of it) - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 19:46:40 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> [Saminga in love] Top 15 Christmas gifts for the Demon Prince of Death You forgot the Uranium P328 Space Modulator, dude. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:49:00 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Demon of Prophecy >A demon prophet helplessly spouting truths from God -- gotta >love it. But you *do* know that relievers are *Heavenly* >spirits, don't you? If he's working away in Kronos's Archives, >he's likelier to be attended by imps, unless you're playing on >the disturbing overlap between the Archives and Yves's Library. Yeah the big guy does have a sense of humor now and then...or maybe it's poetic justice but it's there. As for which group attends him relievers (if you want to be kinduv scary and cheese off Michael) work fine but Imps are definately a good infernal equivalent for the whole of Kronos's work. I wonder what angels might give what to get his book - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:32:22 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Prince of Hell [Fiction] Lucifer stared at the twisted horrid madness that composed the only part of Hell that could rightfully called his domain....the only reason that it indeed was the only realm that even the so called "Princes" of Hell did not want. Here those who shared Lucifer's vision...to remake even God himself into a horror beyond comprehension were taken to be tormented for all time. It was here in the land of eternal darkness that the King of Hell dwelled, taking comfort in looking upon the faces of those who had the same quiet insanity that he did, and knowledge that something indeed was seriously wrong with God's plan. 'and thus I am justified in this final act Father' Lucifer smiled looking up at the endless gap that seperated him and all other demons from the Grace of the Light. "It is time to end this." Lucifer breathed as he lifted up the silver and golden cups that he had saved throughout this millenium. The Golden Cup contained the blood of the first victem of the War between Heaven and Hell whom so many in Heaven thought was predetermined to be his loss...did they not realize even the Father had free will? That even he could change his mind to evil? The blood of the Metatron...his very forces had been gathered up by Lucifer and preserved in hopes that they might someday be used for a purpose that he at last knew what would be. "It is through this blood that I annoit you my son my speaker." Lucifer smiled as he bit the foreward part of his tongue off and let his blood spill into the cup steaming and churning. The Silver Cup contained the blood of the first sign that God did not favor each of his children equally...the product of the first and most terrible of interventions. Uriel, Sweet Uriel and the creation of his Malakim had spilled his blood slaying Lucifer's most beloved Seraph Beezlebub. Lucifer had in his mad victory that shattered his mind reached up with the shadows and gathered each precacious droplet as the first Prince of Corruption spilled them feebly against the mad warrior's assaults, content only that without him to struggle for eternally the obsession of Uriel would consume many more well after his death...and not just of demons. "It is through this blood that I christen you the embodiment of my dream." Lucifer said cutting open the portion of his chest below his heart as he let the precacious blood of his black vessel flow into the cup of Uriel as even the most sanct became unholy and profane. Lucifer let out an ectastic sigh and brought forth the third cup, one of simple lead as he raised it. "From the souls of the Lower Hells I make this call as I share my own self that from you will spring forth the final culmination of proof....the proof that evil is merely another shade of good and that even the most biting of horrors is another pleasure and note to the greater glory of the Symphony.....for that you must join together my disciples." Lucifer spoke as he watched the forces pour forth from six hundred and sixty six souls exactly....those for whom evil was an act of faith and not mere self interest. Lucifer ripped forth one of his own eyes then out of his draconic form and placed it in the lead cup as the energies burned about it and dissolved it into the hideous fluid that remained. "Come forth now my child and show yourself to me...you are naked and need not be ashamed before me." Lucifer said as the lower Hells birthed before him the Calabim that embodied Lucifer's dream. He had anxiously been awaiting what Band would reveal the final culmination of his Symphony gaining ascendancy.....as a Balseraph he spoke the word and as a Calabim it would bring destruction. The Calabim proceeded then to drink each cup dry as it screamed in agony at the resulting power but it's hunger was too strong for it not to drink of another. Burning then naked at his feet when it was done was the lava encrusted birth form of the final Prince of Corruption, he would lead the vangaurd of Lucifer's destiny on the Earth and bring the final end to what had come before....bringing forth the horror and glory to begin. "I name you the Beast and my your hand bear my mark." Lucifer grabbed the new Prince's hand and burned in the intials of the souls he was made of. "Go forth and multiply." - -Charlemagne Thinking of starting a campaign around this ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1983 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.