From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Dec 24 15:33:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01522 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 15:33:05 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id PAA04478 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 24 Dec 2000 15:32:56 -0600 Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 15:32:56 -0600 Message-Id: <200012242132.PAA04478@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1988 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, December 24 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1988 In this digest: Re: IN> Angels in hell IN> Dominic-sama kawaii desu ne! IN> Angels in Hell Re: IN> Angels in hell Re: IN> Angels in hell Re: IN> Editor nonsense - don't read unless you're a grammarphile (was Re: IN> Merry Comma-mas and somesuch!) Re: IN> Dominic-sama kawaii desu ne! Re: IN> Who let that hedgehog in here? IN> Re: Angels in Hell Re: IN> Editor nonsense - don't read unless you're a grammarphile (was Re: IN> Merry Comma-mas and somesuch!) Re: IN> Dominic-sama kawaii desu ne! Re: IN> Angels in hell Re: IN> Angels in hell IN> Infernal Tethers in Heaven Re: IN> Angels in hell IN> Various and Sundry Holiday Wishes... IN> Yeth, mathter... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 01:00:23 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Angels in hell - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Whistling in the Dark" To: Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 11:25 PM Subject: Re: IN> Angels in hell > On 12/23/00 11:33 PM, "Charles Glasgow" alleged: > > > Delivery of messages, I can believe. Assignments that require taking up > > residence for any length of time longer than half an hour at the outside, I > > can't believe. > > > > Ooooo... a challenge.... > > Michael I could see sending down a few spies, Naaaah. Michael gets his from-within-Hell intelligence -- what very little of hit he can get, that is, seeing as how direct intelligence from the Other Side's home turf is damned rare in any event -- by using *demons*. It's amazing what demonic Renegades will do if properly motivated. It's also amazing how many non-Renegades are willing to sell out some *other* Demon Prince's secrets in return for a little quiet baksheesh. Remember, you don't necessarily have to get information by spying on someone yourself -- you can get it from somebody else who's already been spying on the guy you wanted to spy on. And in Hell, *everybody* spies on *everybody*.... and if the Archangel of War isn't capitalizing on the ever-popular "Let's you and him fight!" strategy re: Hellish politics for all that he's worth and a few bucks more, then he's slippin'. (Want to find out what Nybbas is up to today? Hmm... lemme see... who's hostile to Nybbas? Let's see if any of that Prince's more flexibly-minded Servitors wouldn't mind having a very discreet attack of diarrhea mouth... sure, *they* think they're using the *angels* to get back at some other demon they don't like... and they can keep on thinking that all they want. *g* ) > charged with staying out of > sight and keeping an eye on conditions and morale (and keeping an eye on > possibilities to strike as needed). Laurence, naturally, wouldn't. Novalis > might send some Ministers, now that I think about it, if she can secure some > kind of sacrosanct status for them and is certain they won't Fall (of > course, she could be wrong....) > > Mostly I think you're right, mind. Well, there is an easy way to get around the "Falling" problem -- send Malakim. They can't fall. Of course, you'd have to put them under strict orders not to go around slaying any evil (making an exception for self-defense, of course), so as to activate the "if it's my choice" escape clause in their oaths, so that they don't immediately collapse into quivering piles of dissonance. Of course, even with all that you'd still have the most unhappy Malakim in all creation. I mean, employee morale just went right out the window here (all of the guinea pigs are amazingly pissed off at life in general, and all of your *other* servitors are looking at you funny because the boss doing something like this just tends to increase the edginess of your staff all-around...) And of course, not being able to corrupt them, the demons would just gang-tackle and soul-kill them. I mean, cripes, while most demons look for the exit when the Malakim show up, the Calabim *look* to pick fights with 'em. Every Calabite in hell who wanted a Malakite scalp for his collection would be lining up by the dozens. So they're dead. And that's assuming that they weren't hauled off in chains to Vapula's latest "Damn it, I *KNOW* I'm going to be able to make one of these bleeping Malakim Fall eventually!" experiment runs. Sure, you can make an agreement with a Demon Prince to not have them killed. God alone knows *how*, but let's for the sake of argument say that it's theoretically possible. Now name a Demon Prince that *doesn't* cheat on agreements whenever they think they can get away with it... *crickets chirping* Or, alternatively, name a place in Hell where being under the protection of one Demon Prince renders you entirely safe, yet still able to walk around, meet people, do useful work, or for that matter do anything other than stay low in a hidden bunker-equivalent. *crickets chirping* 'Swhat I thought. *eg* - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 07:13:08 From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: IN> Dominic-sama kawaii desu ne! I had A friend of mine draw this after reading SD In-Nomine article in the IN Collection. I'd mention who it was by but the site is running at like 1/bps, and I don't remember off hand. It's in the humor section anyways. If you could post comments, my friend could use the ego boost. http://home.earthlink.net/~jjg52/dominic.jpg Daniel Archangel of Slackers "The world is... hey, pass the doritos." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 02:42:02 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Angels in Hell Forgive me Novalis, I know not what I do. Tell me if these are unrealistic guys, they came way too easily. Blandine: Blandine sends her angels down to Hell with a very specific mission in mind, with a magic cloak of dreams and the aid of Lilith (a big honking geas there) Blandine has given her angels the task of preaching to the Damned and giving hope in the place that it is most desperately needed. That or to turn the courts of Hell against Beleth. Christopher: Kronos is keeping a Hall of Children who've reached their fate. Either redeem or destroy them forever. To this end you are given masks like children and ordered to stay down there until you suceed in your mission, are corrupted, or are destroyed. Also the possibility of discovering if gremlins and imps are innately evil from creation. David: Simple You have SERIOUSLY screwed up and David has decided to test you the best way he can by stinking your now twisted to look like a demon form with discord into Hell and letting you figure your way out of the situation. Either that or he considers this a good way of teaching you a lesson on how to be a better angel (he's rather slow sometimes) Dominic: Asmodeus and Dominic have made a deal where Dominic's is allowing a triad to be in Hell to judge the Damned who are guilty of crimes and Angels who have "Fallen" and whether or not they should be accepted by Hell and by which Prince. Because Asmodeus's protection is on them they have more leway than most angels and because of Dominic's dissonance conditions THEY CAN'T CHEAT Asmodeus! And of course both these guys are screwing each other nine or ten times over on this deal.... Another option is similar to Laurence's (see below) Eli: Hey dude it would be cool if you could go down to Hell for me for awhile, I need some info and stuff for a prodject I'm working on. I pay well. (Dominic followers proceed to have their hearts explode upon hearing this) Gabriel: Does she NEED a reason? Smiting someone who deserves it and a temporarey waver on the dissonance conditions and you have got one freaky mission statement. Jean: Jean wants Vapula taken out. He's been patient. He's been logical. He's been the best Elohim he can be but the Habbalah has got Jean up to his throat and it's time to remove the kid labratory gloves. The PCs are altered to appear as demons and take up service in a demon princes (even Vapula's...ESPECIALLY Vapula's) for the express purpose of finding his weakness's and taking him out. However struggling with one's own angelic nature is strongerly contested here than in other places. Jordi: The most challenging task of all. Judge whether or not humanity is more evil than any other being on God's creation The PCs must visit each of the Principalities and discover what makes humanity so different from animals and suceptible to evil... the same with angels perhaps. Khalid: Your predestined to do it...hehe no...well yes but no. Khalid feels incredible guilt for his part in the freeing of Magog and wants to punish Malphas for his treachery. Thus he has declared Jihad against the later (and the former if he is alive) the PCs are charged with donning false falses and formulating unrest in Stygia and preparing for either the devil's and damned he has tormented for so long to rebel against him that he must flee to Earth or the Marches where Khalid will be waiting. And maybe Gabrielle. Laurence: You do *NOT* want to brass off the Archangel of the Sword....moreso than Michael this is true. Marc: Industrial Espionage is Marc's trade and he wants main knowledge about the porn industry, Media corporations, Mammon owned companies, large scale Valefor operations and the possibilty of Haagenti servitors taking over Greed and desire for wealth in the near future. Sabotage and theft are always encouraged. Michael will talk about collatoral damage but Laurence will take it personal like. The PCs are given a hit list of 113 (or however many you want) demons who have basically pushed the envelope of bad taste in the War to the point Laurence wants them out no matter WHERE they are. They either don't go to earth or can't be found there and the PCs are given the task of making sure they don't get back to Earth from tracking down their hearts to putting the Celestial down on them. You have to be subtle but bargains with GAGH Lilith, agents of Hell serving Michael UGH, and former Hellish agents have given you the info and contacts you may need to survive this pruge. Though if your found out...you tried. Michael: Spies, Assasination, War Games, Diplomats to Baal, and appropriating some interesting Hellish weaponry. Really Michael is considering MOVING down to Hell sometime. Novalis: Bad bad demons. No oatmeal cookie for you! Flower? Novalis in one of her flightier moods sends her servitors down to plant flowers in Hell of hope and wel...real flowers. Each flower if held by a person who wants redemption will allow them to teleport to her. Yves: * I lost a book. Could you get it back for me? * Sorry, there was a misfiling. Someone's in hell who shouldn't be. * While your down there could you please get me the Prophecies of Kronos's prophet? * Oh and have a nice day. Zadikiel: Yep the Angels of Final Judgement finally slipped and Hell has got somebody good. Zadikiel wants her back unharmed and for some reason she's imprisoned you have been given WAAAY lateral to screw people over to protect her and make sure she gets out. Another possibility is your to protect a DEMON (Lilim or band warrior) whom Zaddy likes. Ways to avoid dying in Hell. * Artifacts: Cloak that make you look like demons...or hide your resonance (A seraph may even have a masked grafted to his face which changes the truth to something else...or at least it's heard differantly) * Discord: Sometimes...you just look like a demon. * Semi- Permanent Songs of Possesion: Now you too can use the attunements of a Shedim when your a Malakite! Most versatile way for heavengly folk to taste the bad side.... * A Prince has promised his protection unless you tick off seriously another Prince. * Lucifer has marked you as specially protected unless you HIT first or they're willing to risk his wrath...it's recommended not only do you avoid attacking demons....but you stay away from angels too. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 13:55:40 +0000 From: Sam Kington Subject: Re: IN> Angels in hell Whistling in the Dark wrote: > > On 12/23/00 11:33 PM, "Charles Glasgow" alleged: > > > Delivery of messages, I can believe. Assignments that require taking up > > residence for any length of time longer than half an hour at the outside, I > > can't believe. > > > > Ooooo... a challenge.... > > Michael I could see sending down a few spies, charged with staying out of > sight and keeping an eye on conditions and morale (and keeping an eye on > possibilities to strike as needed). Laurence, naturally, wouldn't. IMC, Janus has an elite (and *very* secret) corps of angels whose job is to spy on hell. Only those choirs that can be reasonably disguised are allowed - so Kyriotates are out, as are Malakim. Elohim can have a few fake tattoos slapped on, Djinn can have creative additions attached (and they always stay in the shadows, robed, as much as possible, because although the disguises are good, they're not *that* good); I suppose Seraphim could have an overcoat of scales. They go through abandoned Tethers (such as those belonging to Vephar; they're weak, and most of them have gone, but some still survive), and generally spy around. They have a special attunement that allows them to speak Helltongue without getting dissonance, they are *strictly* rotated (a few days in Hell, a month in Heaven) to keep their brains clean, and *never* do Earth duty. They have strict orders to bail out as soon as they're in any danger of being detected (they have hidden relics, with their own reliquary, activated by pressure, which power the Celestial Song of Motion). And they'll never tell you their name. They're probably best as NPCs, though. Sam - -- Home page: http://www.illuminated.co.uk/ INWO Homebrew: http://www.illuminated.co.uk/inwo/ Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 09:29:02 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Angels in hell At 10:33 PM -0600 12/23/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: >As I recall, the question was 'What would induce an Archangel to have an >angel go to hell *and stay there*.' >My answer to that is' nothing'. >Delivery of messages, I can believe. Assignments that require taking up >residence for any length of time longer than half an hour at the outside, I >can't believe. If you turn the contrast down, and the brightness up, AND put in some kind of threat that affects angels and demons equally... You could pull this off. It would probably require a fair amount of tweaking to the setting, though. Assuming you want to do this thing (which, personally, I wouldn't... O:> ), you need to have some of the more powerful Princes -- Asmosdeus, Baal, Kronos (!!), say -- decide that there is a reason they need some angelic input into a matter. Then you very likely want to drag Lilith in so that she can geas them into promising that they will take all appropriate steps to ensure that the angelic envoy is not molested by the demonling on the street. Then you stick in some Djinn bodyguards (not Calabim, unless you can find a really laid-back one), maybe a few Impudites to try to smooth things over and act as translators (angels don't speak Helltongue, and likely enough some demons will refuse to speak angelic). You also want some way for the Malakite to have been ordered not to go on a killing spree, once there. Some things that are Big Enough that the Princes might want angelic input: A powerful sorcerer has arrived in Hell (recently, or a while ago) and is continuing his sorcery! Somehow, he's staked out a "principality" somewhere (either on the fringes of a Principality like Shal-Mari, Stygia, or the Perdition-Tartarus boundary -- or in a previously-unknown cavern/ location in Hell, which might be under one of the rivers that allegedly flow through the area. Talk about living in the Styx...), filled it full of the most powerful human souls he can find, and is busy trapping demons and initiating other damned souls into the secrets of sorcery. He's rumored to have relics or pentagrams capable of binding even a Prince, and the Princes are A: trying to play down the seriousness of this little uprising, and B: playing it safe themselves. However, _angels_ cannot be bound by sorcererous constructs.... Something Big Is Burbling Up From The Lower Hells. Lucifer is unavailable for comment, but he's done _that_ before. The Princes want to send someone to investigate, but all the demons they've sent have vanished, Heart-shattered. Perhaps the demons were acting strangely before it happened -- maybe there's something that demons can't handle, but angels could? If it's some kind of New Legion, the Archangels will want to know, right? Sure -- it's always a fine thing to waste someone _else's_ Servitors... In the lower circles of Hell, a ladder has been discovered, which leads up, up, up, up... To Heaven? The Archangels scoff, but aren't too pleased by the idea of _damned_ souls getting up and running around the place if they haven't repented properly. Somehow, Fate and Destiny have managed to convince their various sides that a randomly (?) selected group of angels should venture into Hell and climb the ladder to see where it leads. Other Ways To Get Characters To Hell: [All suffering from the need to have the Malakite previously ordered not to go on a demon-killing spree should he somehow find himself in Hell.] In FotM (IIRC), there is a rumor to the effect that Lilith has a Tether to the Lower Hells. The PCs discover this Tether and, for some reason that seems good at the time, venture down it... Lucifer invites the characters to tea. Perhaps in such a way that they are not really able to refuse. Once there, he drops a Mark of Protection around their necks, tells them that something's come up, and they should make themselves at home around the place until his return. (You can play this creepy or for laughs, frankly.) Demons and Princes who see the (probably un-removable) Mark of Lucifer amulets will turn vaguely pale and, unless totally non-sapient (like some demonlings may be), will not molest the angels. They might exchanged barbed words, though, or attempt non-fatal "attacks" such as Dark Desire or Consume. One of the other Princes kidnaps the group of angels for some reason, privately storing them in his Principality with a mark of _his_ protection upon them. Exactly how much protection this confers may be... unclear. (Perhaps Baal wants to train an assortment of angels to fight in Shal- Mari arenas so that he can rake in the Essence from the betting. Maybe Andrealphus wants to get them "used" to Lust in a "kinder, gentler" way, so he can install them in a special brothel; the other angels he tried "breaking in"... well, they kind of broke, and no one pays extra for Just Another Calabite, you know? Maybe Kobal has a Joke in mind. Maybe Fate has something up its sleeve...) The PCs are schlucked down to Hell by some kind of Wild Tether that _does_ that -- and then vanishes. While there, before they can do the SANE thing and ascend promptly ("THAT NEVER HAPPENED!"), something odd catches their attention and they feel they have to investigate. (The Something Odd could be anything from glimpsing another angel wandering around, seeing a human who was in their area go gibbering around a corner (sucked down by the Tether as well?), observing a Vapulan experiment that looks Very Dangerous and they think they should sabotage it, etc.) Hope that helps. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 09:36:30 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Editor nonsense - don't read unless you're a grammarphile (was Re: IN> Merry Comma-mas and somesuch!) At 12:27 AM -0500 12/24/00, EDG wrote: >Cool, I think I made up a word. > >At 10:19 AM 12/23/00 -0500, you wrote: > >>Legal, yes, but effective? Nay, for there was confusion, since she >>had _two_ comma-delineated parenthetical clauses: the "Bright Lilim" >>one, _and_ the "Malakite Skritcher" one. If there had indeed been >>three angels in the list, it would have definitely been time to use >>semicolons to delineate the angels (as a complex list like that may, >>when the listed items have their own commas), but with only two, it >>is a bit more dubious that way. I would suggest either alternate >>punctuation (as you noted) or the use of "and" to join the two designators. > >But the "and" would promote more confusion (consider: "The Bright Lilim, >the Malakite Scritcher, and the Cherub of Creation"). Unless I'm >misinterpreting. :) Nay, nay -- "Tiphareth, Bright Lilim of Lightning and mighty Malakite Skritcher, along with..." >Consider what Eric said, though. > >"...It features Tiphareth, Bright Lilim of Lightning, the mighty Malakite >Skritcher, /along with/ Tatiel, Cherub of Creation...." (emphasis mine) [...] >Eric's included no termination of his list "Tiphareth..., the mighty >Malakite Skritcher,...", so we must assume that it's self-terminating - >i.e., that it contains only one item. Thus "the mighty Malakite Skritcher" >must be an appositive, linking back to the lovely Tiphareth. Ah, but this is email, where the ommision a word is often glossed over... O;> The comma placements suggest a list of entities with the inclusion of identifiers which can be easily linked by us IN-savvy folk (Choir of Superior notations), along with one phrase which could either be an appositive or a title of an entity itself. As I say, it's not as _effective_ as it could have been, though indeed, it looks legal enough. >In any event, it's a nice picture, and I wish I could draw as well as Amy. ^_^ AMEN. >>Hey, the baby woke _me_ up early, batting at my face and is even now >>trying to play with the trackball, the keyboard, and anything else she >>can grab on the computer desk.... > >This is why Alex doesn't get to play in the computer chair. ^_^ He has a >playpen within about three feet of it, though... I have a swing next to the chair. She plays in it a little. If I don't look at her while she's playing (which makes it hard to type), that duration is measured in tens of seconds at best. She doesn't like being ignored. Impudite Princesses are like that.... O:> - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 09:41:26 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Dominic-sama kawaii desu ne! At 7:13 AM -0500 12/24/00, Daniel Gallagher wrote: >I had A friend of mine draw this after reading SD In-Nomine article in the >IN Collection. I'd mention who it was by but the site is running at like >1/bps, and I don't remember off hand. It's in the humor section anyways. If >you could post comments, my friend could use the ego boost. > >http://home.earthlink.net/~jjg52/dominic.jpg Bwhhahahahahahahahahahah! Kaaaaaaawaiiiiiiii! (EDG, can you get permission to link this cutie to the INC Artpage?) Have him do Baal next? O:> - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 10:23:43 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Who let that hedgehog in here? - -----Original Message----- From: in_nomine-digest To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Date: Sunday, December 24, 2000 1:52 AM Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1987 > >in_nomine-digest Sunday, December 24 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1987 >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 02:03:28 -0800 (PST) >From: Peter Eng >Subject: IN> Who let that hedgehog in here? > >>At 4:41 PM -0500 12/22/00, Rolland Therrien wrote: >>>Sonic #91 >>> >>>Crash! >>>(Either they're calling Sony's Bandicoot for a challenge, or they >>>just couldn't think of anything else.) >>> >>>Written by Karl Brollers >>>Pencilled by Ron Lim >>>Inked by Jim Amash >>[...] >> >>Methinks someone needs to differentiate the aliases for a couple of >>mailing lists... >> > >Probably so. But just to be silly, imagine an Ethereal whose preferred >vessel is a blue humaniform hedgehog that wears sneakers. > >Corporeal Song of Motion, Numinous Corpus (quills), Need/6 (Chili dogs, >for one point per two levels)... > >Excuse me. I believe I need to go to sleep now. Why do I get the feeling what I thought was a mental lapse may have been a Kyriotite of the Wind making me do something completly different? First off, I already apologized to Elizabeth, and I apologize to all of you now. I was in a hurry to send that review out, and confused two destinations in my Address Book. But now that Peter brought this subject into IN, I can't help but agree and add my own two cents in, agreeing that Sonic would be an ethereal. Lord knows he has enough fans to keep him sustained in Essence, games or no games (Heck, I'm one of them ^^). This also reminds me of another idea I once had and submitted on this site: the concept that there might be a Digital World, populated by electronic icons and living embodiements of computer programs, and connecting the Corporeal and Ethereal worlds through the electronic tethers of computers. Or maybe just a subrealm of the Ethereal Realms, somewhere between Heaven and Hell's sides of the Marches, populated by video and computer game characters, sustained by the Essence of countless players and other fans, with Sonic being one of those characters... Maybe I'll do something more with this some other time. In the meantime, thanks for being so understanding, guys. ^^ - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 10:24:21 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> Re: Angels in Hell - -----Original Message----- From: in_nomine-digest To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Date: Sunday, December 24, 2000 1:52 AM Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1987 > >in_nomine-digest Sunday, December 24 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1987 > >Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 00:25:16 -0500 >From: Whistling in the Dark >Subject: Re: IN> Angels in hell > >On 12/23/00 11:33 PM, "Charles Glasgow" alleged: > >> Delivery of messages, I can believe. Assignments that require taking up >> residence for any length of time longer than half an hour at the outside, I >> can't believe. >> > >Ooooo... a challenge.... > >Michael I could see sending down a few spies, charged with staying out of >sight and keeping an eye on conditions and morale (and keeping an eye on >possibilities to strike as needed). Laurence, naturally, wouldn't. Novalis >might send some Ministers, now that I think about it, if she can secure some >kind of sacrosanct status for them and is certain they won't Fall (of >course, she could be wrong....) > >Mostly I think you're right, mind. If you use the Janus=Valefor route, then Heaven would already have spies in Hell. All the Demons of Theft share the same kind of attunements as the Angels of Wind, and also share the same attitudes and motivations. Maybe the Princedom of Theft is Heaven's own deep cover Intelligence Operation, either sending Angels into Hell, disguised as Demons, or recruiting Demons to spy and sabotage for Heaven in exchange for possible Redemption. - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 11:07:18 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Editor nonsense - don't read unless you're a grammarphile (was Re: IN> Merry Comma-mas and somesuch!) On 12/24/00 9:36 AM, "Elizabeth McCoy" alleged: > At 12:27 AM -0500 12/24/00, EDG wrote: >> At 10:19 AM 12/23/00 -0500, you wrote: >> > Nay, nay -- "Tiphareth, Bright Lilim of Lightning and mighty Malakite > Skritcher, along with..." > >> Consider what Eric said, though. >> >> "...It features Tiphareth, Bright Lilim of Lightning, the mighty Malakite >> Skritcher, /along with/ Tatiel, Cherub of Creation...." (emphasis mine) > [...] >> Eric's included no termination of his list "Tiphareth..., the mighty >> Malakite Skritcher,...", so we must assume that it's self-terminating - >> i.e., that it contains only one item. Thus "the mighty Malakite Skritcher" >> must be an appositive, linking back to the lovely Tiphareth. > > Ah, but this is email, where the ommision a word is often glossed over... > O;> Oh, clever. > The comma placements suggest a list of entities with the inclusion > of identifiers which can be easily linked by us IN-savvy folk (Choir of > Superior notations), along with one phrase which could either be an > appositive or a title of an entity itself. > I agree the phrasing wasn't as effective as it might have been. What's more, Amy pointed out that it's far more properly the "Mala*kitty* skritcher" instead of Malakite Skritcher. Hey, it was a fast notice, and the dissonance isn't all that bad. >> In any event, it's a nice picture, and I wish I could draw as well as Amy. >> ^_^ > > AMEN. > Testify! - -- Eric A. Burns - in-sabre@annotations.com - http://www.annotations.com Whistling in the Dark "You will find it a very good practice always to verify your references, sir." - --Martin Joseph Routh, from the memoir by J.W. Burgon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 17:50:30 From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: Re: IN> Dominic-sama kawaii desu ne! >Bwhhahahahahahahahahahah! Kaaaaaaawaiiiiiiii! (EDG, can you get >permission >to link this cutie to the INC Artpage?) That won't work. I'm canceling my earthlink in 2 months, so the picture will be gone. I just put it there because it would be the fastest way to show it to everyone.Though if you want I could find somewhere more permanent to put it. >Have him do Baal next? O:> He'll be in Mexico till Tuesday but when he get's back I'll ask. Daniel Archangel of Slackers "The world is... hey, pass the Doritos." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 18:13:02 -0000 From: "Adam Benedict Canning" Subject: Re: IN> Angels in hell >Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 22:33:40 -0600 >From: "Charles Glasgow" >Subject: Re: IN> Angels in hell >As I recall, the question was 'What would induce an Archangel to have an >angel go to hell *and stay there*.' >My answer to that is' nothing'. >Delivery of messages, I can believe. Assignments that require taking up >residence for any length of time longer than half an hour at the outside, I >can't believe. What About 1] Brunel, Malakim of Stone, Angel of Underground Transport Systems. [Plenty of people to try and smuggle out of Hell and the Shal Mari subway does disappear people...] 2] You don't believe War doesn't have very carefully instructed malakim in hell, sying on the place and keeping Micheal informed on whats going on? Admittedly You have to use Malakim so they don't go native. But you can always disguise them as Malakite Balseraphim of Fate. If Jeans been involved those pocket watches will be highly effective. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 12:30:10 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Angels in hell - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Benedict Canning" To: Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 12:13 PM Subject: Re: IN> Angels in hell > 2] You don't believe War doesn't have very carefully instructed > malakim in hell, sying on the place and keeping Micheal informed on > whats going on? Actually, no, I don't. (In Hell, the Celestial form of a Malakite is a dead giveaway. Emphasis "dead".) - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 14:00:22 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Infernal Tethers in Heaven Hey all this Angel in Hell had me have an idea for something to serious mess with Contrast. What if suddenly the Archangels woke up one day to discover that an infernal tether had emerged in Heaven? Theres a number of potential tethers already including Uriel's cathedral, Lucifer's Cathedral, Where Lucifer and the Demons were cast out, and even part of Yves' library...it is connected to Kronos after all. I was thinking about doing this for "Apcolypse" campaign where the Demon Prince of Corruption (the new one) is messing with reality. I'm curious what Heaven's reaction will be and ways to keep it from instantly being destroyed and what effects this might have on Heaven as a whole...and how it might possibly be done (traslocated pieces of Heaven and hell came to mind but also the old fashioned tether creation rules work too) - -Charlemagne www.thehungersite.com Help Sudanese refugees by making a donation to the "Bridge of Hope" fund 1800-424-8644 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 13:26:31 -0600 From: "Michael" Subject: Re: IN> Angels in hell > Actually, no, I don't. (In Hell, the Celestial form of a Malakite is a > dead giveaway. Emphasis "dead".) Actually, I can see it. There's the song of Concealment (I think - don't have my LC with me) that allows you to mask your celestial form. Granted, said Malakite would only be able to be down there for a few hours max, and they'd better seriously avoid mirrors, but it could work... Trick is this, IMO - if you sent in a spy, by any means or any fashion, if that spy ever came across a Prince directly, or IMC one of their Dukes or Barons, the odds of them not being noticed is _real_ slim. Also, while canon says that an angel in Hell can automatically rise to his heart, if he was faced with the direct attention of a Prince on his home turf, I seriously doubt he'd be able to. Of all the choirs, I'd say Elohim stand the best chance of surviving for several reasons. First, you could make an Elohim look like a Habbalah easiest. Second, Habbalah are considered screwed up to begin with - a habbalah that claims he's an agel is the norm, so if they act a little funny in certain circumstances... well, they're all freaks anyway, so it's not that out of place. Third, an Elohim can not allow himself to be controlled by his emotions, but IMO, he can have them and show them. For example, he could be angry about a situation and can show it, but if logic dictated that he let the situation continue, he'd do it. He'd become dissonant if he tried to stop said situation, despite the logic of it. In this case (and this is fuzzy, but...) "If I do not display emotions, then logic dictates that my chance of discovery will increase exponentially and the odds of my survival will decrease at a similar rate." Best chance I'd say would be to have an Elohim come with some worthless junk that does absolutely nothing from Jean's labs. Stamp said pieces of junk with Vaputech part numbers. Give him a funky looking ring, have him claim to be from research and development, or Vaputech advance sales. Have him try peddling things cheap - people will avoid him like the plague rather quickly. Give him a few things that look scary and just plain wrong, and send him off to sell "Prototype Weapons" That sort of thing probably happens all the time, and he'll probably have decent access because everyone will be afraid of getting to see a "demonstration" of said piece-of-impending-doom-on-a-stick. Just a thought. Michael _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 14:29:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Philip J. Moyer" Subject: IN> Various and Sundry Holiday Wishes... First off, a general (on topic) present for the group: The "In Nomine 2070" campaign page has been updated -- with Character Art by the extremely talented Amy Borden! Now yes, -you- too can see the Malakite of Lightning that's extremely lucky to be skritched by Tiphareth, Bright Lilim of Lightning. :) Go to http://www.jurai.net/~pmoyer/IN2070/ , and check the individual character pages. ^_^ And second, a present/card from all the people inside my head from Magnetic Terrapin Studios: http://www.eyrie.org/~aerianne/pics/00/mts.xmas-00.jpg Enjoy! And Happy Holidays! - --- Philip Philip Moyer----------------Qapla'-------------pmoyer@jurai.net "To boldly go where no one has gone before!"-Capt. J. L. Picard "Roads? Where we're going we don't NEED roads!"-Dr. E. L. Brown "If it can be dreamed, It can be done."- ReRob Mandeville "Someday we'll find it, the Rainbow Connection, The Lovers, - ---------- The Dreamers, and Me."- Kermit The Frog ------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 15:33:32 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> Yeth, mathter... Presented for your approval, here is my belated contribution to the thread about the celestials second-in-command to their various Superiors. After reading Superiors 4, I decided to turn my efforts toward Vapula. Igoriel Demon of Hunchbacks Balseraph of Technology Corporeal Forces – 5 Strength 12 Agility 8 Ethereal Forces – 4 Intelligence 6 Precision 10 Celestial Forces – 5 Will 11 Perception 9 Word Forces – 3 Vessel: Human/4 (male hunchback, age indeterminate) Skills: Chemistry/3, Climbing/4, Computer Operation/1, Dodge/6, Electronics/2, Emote/6, Engineering/2, Fast-Talk/6, Fighting/5, Knowledge (Mad Scientist-related fiction/6), Large Weapon (Big lab equipment/5), Lockpicking/2, Medicine/2, Move Silently/3, Running/3, Small weapon (Small lab equipment/5), Survival (Vapulan laboratories/6), Throwing/5 Songs: Attraction (Corporeal/2, Celestial/6), Form (Corporeal/3, Celestial/3), Healing (Corporeal/3, Celestial/4), Machines (All/4), Shields (Ethereal/3), Thunder/2 Attunements: Balseraph of Technology, Balseraph of the Media, Habbalite of Technology, Lilim of Technology, Impudite of Technology, Knight of Combustion, Inspector, Reanimation, The Curse Of Vapula, Word Of Power Artifacts: Repair Kit (adds +3 to any skill roll made to repair malfunctioning equipment) Special Rites: Assist in the creation of an invention or artifact (can be used up to three times/day) Igoriel, like most imps in Tartarus, spent his time attempting either to avoid the patrols looking for raw materials, or to attach himself to any project that would allow him entrance to Vapula’s laboratories. Lacking any inventive genius of his own, he sought to gain the notice of those needing assistants. Igoriel’s big chance came the day the Prince of Technology had a larger-than-usual batch of failed experiments requiring an expendable escort into the holding pens below Lab 11. While most of those taken in by the press gangs quaked with fear at the thought of being taken into the most feared of Vapula’s installations, Igoriel saw it as the perfect opportunity to prove his worth. Once the chance to break away from his rapidly dwindling group of fellows presented itself, he snuck into the first room he could find, one where the Prince himself was demonstrating new interrogation equipment to Lucifer. Igoriel managed through sheer dumb luck to pick just enough of the correct devices that Vapula himself chose to congratulate Igoriel rather than destroy him, and Lucifer himself smiled. “You have done well,” the Prince of Darkness told the imp, “And so you may have a boon from me. What would you ask of the Lord of Hell?” Igoriel wasted no time in asking for the Word of Laboratory Assistants. Fortunately for him, Lucifer chose to be amused rather than annoyed at the impertinence of an imp requesting a Word, and as his thoughts drifted back to how loudly the screening of “Young Frankenstein” Kobal arranged for him had made him laugh the night before, gave Igoriel his name, the additional forces needed to fledge, and the Word of Hunchbacks. Igoriel still insists that Lucifer laughed as he did this out of pleasure with his performance. Since then, Igoriel has spent the rare moments that are not spent helping Vapula in his personal projects furthering his Word as best he can. This has involved working very closely with the Media, because it is only as long as the image of the hunchbacked assistant to the mad scientist is kept popular in movies and television that his Word will continue to be viewed as contributing to Technology. And in the deepest recesses of his brain, Igoriel knows full well that this is the only thing keeping him from becoming the subject of the experiment Vapula has been keeping on the back burner. While the Prince would dearly love to learn whether it is possible to transplant a Word from one demon to another, he has yet to get his clutches on a Wordbound who was expendible enough to be the subject. In the meantime, the various Lilim of the Media with whom Igoriel has dealt have found that trading their Geas-hooks to their Prince pays off well. While Nybbas currently has excellent relations with his former master, he knows that this may not last. If things change, having someone in position to wreak havoc among projects bearing a high potential political cost to Technology is a wise investment. And footage of Technology’s projects going boom always brings in the ratings… ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1988 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.