From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Dec 26 21:23:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12507 for ; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 21:23:49 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id VAA17073 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 26 Dec 2000 21:23:34 -0600 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 21:23:34 -0600 Message-Id: <200012270323.VAA17073@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1991 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, December 26 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1991 In this digest: Re: IN> The Grigori Re: IN> The Grigori Re: IN> The Grigori Re: IN> CONTEST: Christmas In Nomine Re: IN> Dominic-sama kawaii desu ne! Re: IN> Arisia Re: IN> Automatically Unpublishable? IN> Clever Game Stunts (Re: GURPS In-Nomine) Re: IN> Arisia Re: IN> The Grigori IN> Fwd: ?DESTRUCTION? Re: IN> The Grigori Re: IN> Clever Game Stunts (Re: GURPS In-Nomine) IN> Technical type question Re: IN> The Torches Re: IN> The Gentleman Sorceror Re: IN> Arisia Re: IN> The Gentleman Sorceror Re: IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #1988RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #1990 IN> The Gentleman Sorceror Re: IN> Technical type question Re: IN> The Gentleman Sorceror Re: IN> Technical type question Re: IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #1988 IN> [NPC] Gorvag, Demon of Romance IN> lilim... Re: IN> lilim... IN> Point balance? The Enemies alone wipe _that_ out... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 03:18:25 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> The Grigori http://www.amadan.org/Innomine/Grigori.html This is really very good. Some comments: - -- I like the description and flavor text. - -- The Dissonance conditions are a bit too harsh, I think. If the Grigs have to intervene every time they hear disturbance -- and they hear disturbance much much more than ordinary angels -- they're going to be repeatedly drawn into conflict with Hell. Eventually, given the time scales involved, they'll all be dead. They'd *all* have to be living on mountaintops or in deserts. - -- The attunements are very good; most of them neatly fit your conception of the Grigs as "shepherds", preferring to call in other angels rather than smiting for themselves. I especially like how Dominic's, Jordi's and Gabriel's fill gaps in their existing attunement-sets. (Asking for attunements for lost AAs Uriel, Raphael and Oannes seems like overkill... but was Jean already an AA back then?) - -- What about the Fallen? It's canon that there are some. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 05:49:27 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> The Grigori On Sun, 24 Dec 2000, David Edelstein wrote: > Merry Christmas! This is, of course, not official or canonical, but I've > tried to make it compatible with existing canon (including GURPS IN). > > http://www.amadan.org/Innomine/Grigori.html Very, very, VERY good combination of creation and adaptation (from G:IN). Printing it out and using it as-is - I can't imagine the canonical version being too far from this... - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! The Earth it did crack open / On the day that I was born And a thousand merry pranksters / Came dancin' through the storm I am Antipop / I'll run against the grain till the day I drop I am the Antipop / The man you cannot stop -- Primus, "The Antipop" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 03:14:02 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> The Grigori Douglas Muir wrote: > -- The Dissonance conditions are a bit too harsh, I think. If the Grigs > have to intervene every time they hear disturbance -- and they hear > disturbance much much more than ordinary angels -- they're going to be > repeatedly drawn into conflict with Hell. Eventually, given the time > scales involved, they'll all be dead. I took the dissonance conditions straight from GIN, more or less (which the LE has indicated _will_ be canon for IN). The exact nature of their "intervention" could perhaps be better defined, but that's going to be largely up to the GM. I imagine that most of the Grigori have devised a number of coping mechanisms to act without getting directly involved -- this is why I hinted that they might have large, conspiratorial networks nowadays. Thus providing a good plot device for the GM, when the PCs start getting anonymous "tips" about diabolical activities... > (Asking for attunements for lost AAs Uriel, Raphael and Oannes seems like > overkill... but was Jean already an AA back then?) I'll probably do those when/if I do some more "archaic Superior" writeups. (Guess I probably should add a Grigori Choir Attunement to my Raphael and Uriel write-ups.) > -- What about the Fallen? It's canon that there are some. I may do the Skulkers next. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 04:29:03 -0600 (CST) From: Benjamin Acosta Subject: Re: IN> CONTEST: Christmas In Nomine > From: "Charles Phipps" > Subject: IN> CONTEST: Christmas In Nomine > > This season has really got me in the mood and in celebration of the birth of > Jesus Christ (and for those who have differntiating believes...goodness and > peace toward all men) I would like to propose a contest to make items > related to the Christmas spirit from adventures to Angels. We've already > had many a good entry for inspiration from Santa Malakim to A very Nybbas > Christmas but I want to continue the tradition... Wow, I entered before the contest ever happened. > Let me start the bat off with something I'm going to spring on my players. > > ADVENTURE SEED > "Oh little town of New jersey" Or "Silent Night, Holy Night...or > Unholy...no Holy. I think" > these qualities made her perfect. > > Appearing to her as an angel of the Lord Kobal used all of his foul power > and self restraint to lay his seed with the song of fruitation within her > and inform her she had been chosen to rebear the son of God within > her....Madeline was indeed delighted and very grateful...too awed with the > experience and naive to see beyond kobal's trick and now proudly proclaims > the birth of the savior who will be born indeed on the day. > > Here is where Kobal intends his humor to begin as the information is already > leaked to Heaven and various factions in Hell. > > Of course nobody in the Heavengly or Hellish Heirachy REALLY believes that > this is going to be the Son of God, they get these kinduv calls all the time > and are fairly certain they won't be taken...err..unawares again. However > Heaven as usual sends a team to investigate the goings on just in case. > Hell as well who have the usual orders if they think this is something > angelic. Of cousre, if you combine this with my Christmas Story Seed you could really have both sides guessing. Is it Kobal trying to assemble the celestial chorus of angels? Has the news set off a flashback for Gabriel? Or does the she know something everyone else doesn't? Heaven and Hell might just have to consider the possibility that this could be on the up and up. Even Kobal might start to get nervous if he isn't the one posing as Gabriel. Ben, Elohite of Eli Angel of Neat Ideas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 07:36:38 -0500 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Dominic-sama kawaii desu ne! On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 06:20:49 "Daniel Gallagher" writes: > >>Have him do Baal next? O:> > > > > > >He'll be in Mexico till Tuesday but when he get's back I'll ask. > > > >Just think, being able to replace all the Superior pictures in your > >book with these... > > I perticulary want to see Novalis and a cute little Haggenti. I think you were reading my mind. I was visualizing a little cartoon sequence with a super-deformed Novalis and Haggenti as being kinda cool myself. Like, say, Novalis offering a bunch of flowers to Haggenti, which he promptly eats, leaving Novalis looking nonplussed. And perhaps kicking him towards the nearest all-you-can-eat diner. :) - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 09:15:51 -0500 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> Arisia Jason Schneiderman wrote: > On 12/25/00 11:32 AM, "Jason Schneiderman" alleged: > >> I'm all over that. The Park Plaza is close to some decent > >> places... and there's going to be a BG-list dinner at some > >> point as well. > > > >You realize that as the native, we're in your hands, Jason. > > Native? Bite your tongue. I'm a displaced New Yorker. I've only been > here... three years? > > So - if I were to announce an IN List , who'd come besides > myself and Eric? Beth & Walter? Any other visitors? I'm also in and around Boston. I may or may not make it to Arisia on Saturday, but I could probably show up for an evening dinner. It would be interesting to find out what some of you look like. :) - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 06:38:25 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Automatically Unpublishable? Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 10:54:48 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Automatically Unpublishable? >However, appropriate "value-added" can certainly fix >that. I believe that one of Moe's characters, with >additional material and some tweaks to match the >stylesheet better, made it into Pyramid. Essentially, yeah. I added translation/explanation notes (for those readers without IN), fiddled with the style, and added an adventure seed: if GURPS IN had been around at the time, I would have added stats for that as well (something I'll be doing for any further Pyramid submissions of mine). I also made it really, really clear in my submission letter that much of the work appeared in here first. It seemed the most practical and ethical thing to do. I also did _not_ put it on my website, and will not - ever - unless they decide that they don't want it after all. I presume that, from the fact that the character was accepted, that stuff appearing here wouldn't be automatically ineligble, but I've also decided that I won't go that route in the future. Stuff that I post on the list goes into the public domain, and stays there, unless I explicitly say so otherwise. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:39:41 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Clever Game Stunts (Re: GURPS In-Nomine) At 12:01 PM -0500 12/25/00, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >On 12/25/00 10:46 AM, "Elizabeth McCoy" alleged: >> But he brought back reinforcements and saved the day! And gave me the idea >> for Malakanaries! > >A game which also included *my* favorite use of attunement/song/power. >Namely, the Celestial Song of... hm. Machines? I think that one's the sucker, yup! >It makes a corporeal device a Celestial artifact, >temporarily. So, the Renegade Lilim slapped her hand on the Gigantic >Macguffin, Sang the Song... and the player smiled at me and said "Celestial >Artifacts have no weight on the Celestial Realm. I go Celestial and carry >the device to the roof." To give credit (?) where it is due, the player in question _had_ worked out this trick ahead of time as a way of filching items which were too big for her normal weight limit -- that's why she had the Song in the first place. It was _planned_ obnoxiousness. >There are disadvantages for running games with the people who wrote them. > Still, I was too impressed by the hurling of the Macguffin onto the >demons below to really disallow it. (Next time, I'll just *plan* for it.) Now, now, that wasn't a Song that either of us wrote, so it's not like we've included Evil Power Gaming Backdoors in the system. We just _do_ things like that. Surely we told you about the Dancing Anvil, no? Ack, baby found the track2ball and keypad... - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:43:44 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Arisia At 1:51 PM -0500 12/25/00, Jason Schneiderman wrote: >>On 12/25/00 11:32 AM, "Jason Schneiderman" alleged: >>> I'm all over that. The Park Plaza is close to some decent places... and >>> there's going to be a BG-list dinner at some point as well. >So - if I were to announce an IN List , who'd come besides myself and >Eric? Beth & Walter? Any other visitors? If something baby friendly can be arranged and it's not opposite a panel or something we _gotta_ see... O:> If it's kid-friendly a00 as well0, 0then we can poss0ibly snag some of our friends as well (they have two kids, one of whom (the elder) is personally responsible for us inventing FOrce Catchers.... - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:48:35 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> The Grigori At 3:14 AM -0600 12/26/00, David Edelstein wrote: >Douglas Muir wrote: >> -- The Dissonance conditions are a bit too harsh, I think. If the Grigs >> have to intervene every time they hear disturbance -- and they hear >> disturbance much much more than ordinary angels -- they're going to be >> repeatedly drawn into conflict with Hell. Eventually, given the time >> scales involved, they'll all be dead. > >I took the dissonance conditions straight from GIN, more or less (which >the LE has indicated _will_ be canon for IN). The exact nature of their >"intervention" could perhaps be better defined, but that's going to be >largely up to the GM. I haveb't checked out the link (yres, there _is_ a baby ttryihnh to stand up in my lap and brace herself on the keyboard with her head in front of the screen...), but if they detect distur0ban e, they need to find out if it's infernal, and if it is, react. Calling the cops 23or the local Laurencian Tether anon is a perfectly acceptable reaction. THey are then free to goabout their business. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:53:47 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Fwd: ?DESTRUCTION? >Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 16:37:06 -0600 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [Bigatto ] > >Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 19:36:14 -0300 >From: Bigatto >Reply-To: bigatt@macbbs.com.br >Subject: ?DESTRUCTION? > >I've got a question about what is most likey to happen in the given >situation: > >I and my friends were playing In Nomine. We all were playing with demons >and we were in Salvador, Brazil. >My character was a calabite servitor of Belial and the rest of the >group were servitors of Saminga. Our mission was to destroy an >Andrealphus' demon, called Macedo. We went undergroud and prepared to >explode the area were he should be (and we would use the song of shield >to prevent damage)... but somehow the explosion was a little too big and >we wiped out a whole district of the city, causing a disturbance that >EVERY celestial could perceive in a radius of at least 14 Earths (at >least 5000 people died plus houses and cars destroyed..)! >If my character summoned Belial successfully, would he: >a) Kill the party for having caused so much disturbance. >b)Kill just his servitor because of the huge disturbance. >c)Help the party with subtlety (sendind them to the marches or to a safe >place in hell). >d)Get excited for the huge explosion and begin to fight the angels and >other enemies that happen to appear by the site of the explosion. >e)Do another thing. (please, say what..) > >Maybe this will seem ridiculously stupid and meaningless to you, but it >is a real doubt.... So, please answer it. > >Grateful for your time and work. > >Mauro. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:25:46 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> The Grigori On 12/26/00 2:18 AM, "Douglas Muir" alleged: > -- The Dissonance conditions are a bit too harsh, I think. If the Grigs > have to intervene every time they hear disturbance -- and they hear > disturbance much much more than ordinary angels -- they're going to be > repeatedly drawn into conflict with Hell. Eventually, given the time > scales involved, they'll all be dead. Well, there are (it's thought) less than fifty left alive. If we postulate bunches and bunches of them to begin with, this doesn't seem inconsistent. - -- Eric A. Burns - in-sabre@annotations.com - http://www.annotations.com Whistling in the Dark "Grown-ups never understand anything for themselves, and it is tiresome for children to be always and forever explaining things to them." - --Antonie de Saint-Exupery, "The Little Prince" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 11:32:27 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Clever Game Stunts (Re: GURPS In-Nomine) On 12/26/00 10:39 AM, "Elizabeth McCoy" alleged: > At 12:01 PM -0500 12/25/00, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >> On 12/25/00 10:46 AM, "Elizabeth McCoy" alleged: > > To give credit (?) where it is due, the player in question _had_ worked > out this trick ahead of time as a way of filching items which were too > big for her normal weight limit -- that's why she had the Song in the > first place. It was _planned_ obnoxiousness. > Oh, I am nothing but impressed with the entire affair. It takes real effort to be that much of a pain in the neck to Baalites. (Of course, I now expect the character to drop something suitably appropriate on Baalites in the next section. A semi, say. Or a Cray. Or the mysterious Honda Insight that's been following them....) >> There are disadvantages for running games with the people who wrote them. >> Still, I was too impressed by the hurling of the Macguffin onto the >> demons below to really disallow it. (Next time, I'll just *plan* for it.) > > Now, now, that wasn't a Song that either of us wrote, so it's not like > we've included Evil Power Gaming Backdoors in the system. > Included? No no, I wouldn't believe that of you. Learned, understood and *used,* on the other hand.... > We just _do_ things like that. Surely we told you about the Dancing > Anvil, no? > ...eep? - -- Eric A. Burns - in-sabre@annotations.com - http://www.annotations.com Whistling in the Dark "You will find it a very good practice always to verify your references, sir." - --Martin Joseph Routh, from the memoir by J.W. Burgon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:42:16 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Technical type question Does anybody know where the digests are being archived now? The site I'm using: ftp://ftp.sjgames.com/pub/sjgames/in-nomine/digests/2000/12/ only shows up to #1981. I'm guessing that the switchover in servers has made everything all wonky, but I just wanted to know whether I'll have to change bookmarks. :) Moe PS Has this affected the INC, as well? ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 12:33:16 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> The Torches Thoughts?<<< Quite excellent work here, and it gave me some inspiration (pun unintended) for something I hope to post to the list within the next day or so. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:40:32 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Gentleman Sorceror - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > Johnathan Perry > "The Gentleman Sorceror" Ah, exactly the kind of subtle, urbane NPC that I most enjoy portraying! And I didn't get you anything... ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:41:52 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Arisia > On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Jason Schneiderman wrote: > > > So - if I were to announce an IN List , who'd come besides > myself and > > Eric? Beth & Walter? Any other visitors? Alas, I won't be at Arisia. Otherwise I'd be there. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "...faith is only pure when it does not negate the faith of another." -- Eli Weisel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 18:20:59 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: Re: IN> The Gentleman Sorceror >I like this guy a lot. Very well done, a very dramatic character. Thank you very much. I've always felt there was a bit of a stigma against Sorcerors and the impression that they're magic wasn't a good enough foil against the forces of Hell and the power thereof. I basically wasn't seeing enough good magician characters I suppose. So I thought I'd make a vaguely pulp character to show the enjoyable aspects of one...but one who fit with the theme sorcery is at best dabbling with forces man was not menat to know. >I notice that he has 7 forces. Is that intentional? It makes a very >formidable character. I also note that he has an ethereal song. Does that >mean he has the Ethereal-link attunement? The Seven forces indeed was intentional to show that the Gentleman sorceror was truly exceptional among mortals and also to illustrate that one hundred years of experience can do wonders for your abilities. Besides it gave the demons and angels something to worry about when facing him. The Ethereal link allows him illusions and the Song is a gift of a powerful ethereal spirit. Just another "mystery" of his past. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:45:13 -0000 From: "Adam Benedict Canning" Subject: Re: IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #1988RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #1990 > Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 11:00:54 -0500 > From: Elizabeth McCoy > >Other possibilities [mostly Slightly Obscure.] > > > >1] IIRC The French Archangel of Chaos's servitor Atunements are > >2] Balseraphs of Fate look like the Choir whose attunement > they have. > >3] Fiat Justitia's Vessel Form trick. > >4] There is evidence for a certain mutability in Celestial > Form. Many > > Just remember that none of these four tricks work in canon. > (No AA of > Chaos, and celestial nature is always apparent to all but the most > stupid celestial beings, _as well as_ whatever "vesselform" is being > worn. At the same time. Celestial perceptions aren't like > human ones...) > > However, as house rules, they can be useful. Do you get both choirs for a Master of Divine Knowledge [Which is trick 5 if you don't, use angels who have been _upgradeded_ to Malakim.] The Chaos attunment feels horribly like it should be one of Janus's. but then if you believe Janus=Valefor, its almost implied. Otherwise You just hide the Malakim in the Guildhall and hope they come out again without dying of exhaustion.:) Adam ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:45:15 -0000 From: "Adam Benedict Canning" Subject: IN> The Gentleman Sorceror > Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:14:31 -0500 > From: "Charles Phipps" > A new Sorceror NPC for you all, I hope you find him enjoyable. > > Jonathan Perry > "The Gentleman Sorceror" > Jonathan Perry looks good for a man over a hundred, extremely good. > Jonathan is a Britishman by Birth and something of a legend among Sorcerors ^^^^^^^^^^ As he would Say, " An Englishman dear fellow an Englishman, as Kipling said I have won fist prize in the lottery of Life and been born British. Very nice, even if it does seem a little Alistair Crowley.[ And if he's connected with the Rosicrutions when he started magic he should know of if not know Crowley. [This comment is subject to the usual caveat that my inner Shedite s playing up again]. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:22:11 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Technical type question At 10:42 AM 12/26/00 -0800, you wrote: >Does anybody know where the digests are being archived >now? The site I'm using: > >ftp://ftp.sjgames.com/pub/sjgames/in-nomine/digests/2000/12/ I see up to #1990, archived at about 8:00 this morning. You may want to reload. Yes, it has been affecting the INC as well as the official website, oddly. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 17:48:47 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> The Gentleman Sorceror Yeah. I like good magician characters as well. Though I think that strictly canon-wise, I believe that the Ethereal would need to give the attunement of the Ethereal connection to allow the sorcerer to use the Ethereal songs. Very cool though. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Phipps To: Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 3:20 PM Subject: Re: IN> The Gentleman Sorceror > >I like this guy a lot. Very well done, a very dramatic character. > > Thank you very much. I've always felt there was a bit of a stigma against > Sorcerors and the impression that they're magic wasn't a good enough foil > against the forces of Hell and the power thereof. I basically wasn't seeing > enough good magician characters I suppose. > > The Seven forces indeed was intentional to show that the Gentleman sorceror > was truly exceptional among mortals and also to illustrate that one hundred > years of experience can do wonders for your abilities. Besides it gave the > demons and angels something to worry about when facing him. > > The Ethereal link allows him illusions and the Song is a gift of a powerful > ethereal spirit. Just another "mystery" of his past. > > -Charlemagne > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 21:13:42 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Technical type question At 4:22 PM -0500 12/26/00, EDG wrote: >Yes, it has been affecting the INC as well as the official website, oddly. Not oddly at all -- the INC is on the SJGames machines. All of the SJGames machine(s) are being shifted over to the New SJGames Order... Hence, the INC is carried along for the ride. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 21:18:40 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #1988 At 11:45 PM +0000 12/26/00, Adam Benedict Canning wrote: [On house rule ways to conceal one's celestial nature in Hell] >Do you get both choirs for a Master of Divine Knowledge [Which is >trick 5 if you don't, use angels who have been _upgradeded_ to >Malakim.] I'm not sure what you mean by "get both Choirs." You get resonance and dissonance, not Other Effects. (A MoDK with Kyrio resonance does not freak people out with their celestial form; a MoDK with Malakite resonance has to take the vows, but doesn't get the No Trauma or Cannot Fall side effects.) It is up to the GM if the celestial appearance of the MoDK changes slightly. (I would tend to add some special effects, yes, but it'd obvious which Choir is the "base" one.*) >Otherwise You just hide the Malakim in the Guildhall and hope they >come out again without dying of exhaustion.:) * (The Archangel of Archives has a debatable "base" Choir, but she's a Superior anyway and is entitled.) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 22:38:08 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: IN> [NPC] Gorvag, Demon of Romance Jason was staring out the window, his head resting on interlocked fingers. I walked over, and put a hand on his shoulder. "Listen," I said. "You still have a chance here --" In a flat, dead tone, he said, "She told me that she would get a restraining order if I came near her again. That's the kind of thing that happens to stalkers, wife-beaters -- and now, me." I snorted. "I said you still have a chance" -- I squeezed his shoulder painfully enough to keep him from interrupting -- "and I meant it. She said she *would* get a restraining order; not that she *has* gotten an order. That means you still have one chance left. Are you going to be a putz and let it slip out of your hands, or are you going to get out there and pursue the woman of your dreams?" A beat of silence, and then in a slow, wondering tone, Jason said, "When you put it that way...." - -*-*-*- Cecilia was on the verge of tears. "I looked through that book on the Victorian language of flowers, and do you know -- all our flowers are ALL WRONG! I'm implying that my guests are overweight drunks of questionable morals!" Demons of Kronos are useful to have around, especially when you need to age an item on short notice. I smiled pleasantly at her, and in the mildest tone of voice I could manage, said "I'm sure you still have time to change them." "No," she wailed, "I called half a dozen florists and the only one who knew anything told me there's no way to get the ones I need, not without shipping them France!" I quirked an eyebrow, and her rant continued. "But we don't have enough money and I've mailed out the books and my wedding is going to be *ruined*!" "Don't worry, Cecilia, I think I can help." She gave me an impossibly grateful look, and I said, "No, I don't have any money, but I do have two ski masks and a .38 special -- we can rob a bank!" - -*-*-*- Gorvag Djinn Demon of Romance Knight of Integrity Novalis and David are not the only angels with an interest in courtship and romance. Asmodeus too, has an interest in the rituals humans use to woo one another. Of course, where the angels try to promote love and affection, the Game prefers seeing people frantically exhaust their energies navigating absurd social conventions in deadly earnest without the slightest hint of humor anywhere in the process. Not tragedy; farce played straight, except for the homicides. Gorvag aims to please. Asmodeus, that is. He is the demon of Romance. His job, obsession, hobby and joy is making romance as ridiculous, complicated and tacky as possible. He doesn't actually care about the consumation -- that's for demons of Lust -- or the long-term relationship -- that's for Malphas. It's the mechanics and sociology of courtship that fascinate him. While Gorvag is /capable/ of managing the big picture -- the rise of Cecil Rhodes, the de Beers diamond cartel and the invention of the engagement ring testify to that -- he doesn't really /enjoy/ it. As far as he is concerned, abstract sociological forces are something he must dabble in from time to time merely to prove to his dark prince that his eye is on the whole of his word, and even if he ignored it altogether, humans are idiot enough to screw it well enough all on their own. No, his passion is improving individual love affairs, one at a time and with a craftsman's touch. His favored approach is taking a role as a promising human's close friend (a task Asmodeus's band attunement Knight distinction make easy) and then just screwing with his or her romantic prospects. He's very good at it, too -- his latest piece of work led some greedy but observant bystanders to start a dot-com and win several million dollars in venture capital for a online image makeover business targeted at wealthy but socially-inept hackers. (They promptly went out of business, but then they weren't the demon of Romance, now were they?) Life isn't all roses for Gorvag, though. For some reason, angels seem to find his very existence personally offensive, especially around St. Valentine's day. So does Kobal, who is annoyed that Asmodeus has a demon with a gag funnier than most of his servitors do, and that he can't convince Gorvag to switch to his service. Most frustrating of all is his when Asmodeus requires his help in catching Renegades and Outcasts. He finds it easy but tedious worth; an appalling high fraction of Outcasts and Renegades with a self- destructive streak disguised as romanticism, and it's child's play to help convince them to make some grand romantic suicidal gesture. It just takes time away from his *real* work. Adventure Seeds: o Come on, do I really have to supply any? - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@alum.mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 02:41:31 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> lilim... Hi all, In a mail just posted by emcoy i had a sudden thought. Lilim are created by Lilith, and can redeem. now as a sick thought can they 'turn' in malakim like angels have/did/do? I doubt they can but it makes you tink, well, it makes me think anyway for an npc, the lilim who went one step beyond bright.... It would be an intruiging plot hook.. Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 21:49:58 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> lilim... At 02:41 AM 12/27/00 +0000, you wrote: >In a mail just posted by emcoy i had a sudden thought. emccoy, please. :) >Lilim are created by Lilith, and can redeem. >now as a sick thought can they 'turn' in malakim like angels have/did/do? Nope. In theory, it's probable that had a Bright Lilim existed before the Fall, she might have been able to turn Malakite at the Fall. But given that no Lilim existed until after the Fall, and the only time other choirs have been able to turn into Malakim was at the moment of the Fall (and it's been Stated that it's Not Gonna Happen in the future)... I'd say chances are slim to none, where "slim" reads as "none". Which gives /me/ an interesting plot idea... - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 19:34:17 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Point balance? The Enemies alone wipe _that_ out... Bloody trains. :) Moe Xavier Ofanite of the Wind Angel of Lost Paperwork Corporeal Forces: 4 Strength: 6 Agility: 10 Ethereal Forces: 4 Intelligence: 8 Precision: 8 Celestial Forces: 6 Will: 12 Perception: 12 Word-Forces: 10 Vessel: human male/6 Skills: Chemistry/6, Computer Programming/1, Dodge/6, Fighting/6, Knowledge (bureaucracy/1, research/1), Ranged Weapon/4 (shotgun), Running/6, Tactics/1 Songs: Battle (Celestial/3), Fire (Corporeal/6), Light (Celestial/6), Might (Corporeal/3, Celestial/3), Motion (Corporeal/6, Celestial/6), Shields (all/3), Speed (Ethereal/3), Submission (Celestial/1), Thunder/3 Attunements: Ofanite of the Wind, Malakite of the Wind, Passage, Swipe, Library Card, Angel of Lost Paperwork. Note that Xavier's little excursion could be seen as a use of Destiny's Right of Passage Attunement, but it's just as likely that the Library itself arranged matters. He's certainly never shown any sign of having it since. Angel of Lost Paperwork: Xavier recognizes on sight any form, record, entry or file that would be better off lost, spindled, mutilated, altered, or destroyed. With a Will roll, he can automatically accomplish that happy state of affairs. Rites: Effectively ruin a piece of paperwork that will, if left alone, serve the cause of Hell. Xavier gets 1 Essence for each 40 pieces of paperwork (note that this includes all forms of organized data) so destroyed, and he may use this Attunement as many times as he likes per day. Relics: Fiery Sword/3, two reliquary/6 (pen and pencil) Yes, Xavier is a dead man walking. Did you have a point, or did you just feel like wasting some oxygen? The angel didn't expect to be this much of a target when he accepted the Word: interference, sure, but Lost Paperwork isn't exactly earthshaking enough to be worth the heat he got. However, his new task was enough to get both Kronos' and Asmodeus' noses seriously out of joint. It would seem that they took it personally. Petty, sour misanthropes that they are, they decided to vent their spleen by having Xavier taken out loudly and publicly - just to make the point. They didn't get him - quite - but their agents did soul-kill a few angels in Xavier's vicinity - - one of whom the angel was quite fond. Never do an enemy a small injury. Xavier had plenty of time while in Trauma to muse upon what happened to his friends and lover, and came back quite mad, in any number of ways. It was a useful madness, however. First he went and talked to Janus, who smiled nastily and gave him permission. Then he went and talked to Michael, who smiled even more nastily and gave him the supplies that the angel had asked for. Then he went and talked to Yves, who looked in his books, sighed, gave him the Library Card Attunement and stepped out of his way. Finally, Xavier walked into the Library, calmly announced to the empty air what he wanted to do, walked through a doorway at random - and stepped into the middle of Kronos' Archive. Xavier doesn't know how much Michael paid for explosive incendiaries that work on the celestial plane, but however much it was, it was cheap at twice the price. Needless to say, one angel can't hope to burn down the Archive all by himself, no matter how transcendentally pissed off he is. One angel can, however, if sufficiently motivated, quick and militantly indifferent to such petty concerns as survival, burn his way through a lot of files. Once Xavier had used up half his ordinance load, he grabbed another door at random and lo! there he was in Asmodeus' little playground, which was even less ready to receive him (after all, what lunatic would attack two Princes' sanctums in succession?). The Game's files burn even better than those of Fate's; so did the Demon of Misfiling, once Xavier found him. Xavier's not sure how he got back: there was a red haze across his vision pretty much the entire time, and he was assuredly the worse for wear when Servitors of Archives found him wandering the library, high on the pure destruction that he had just evoked. It's pretty much agreed among the Host that the angel had come as close as you can to Jumping without going over the line: not something that an Ofanite should repeat. A prudent angel would have stayed in Heaven. Xavier loaded up on Essence and went right down to the Corporeal plane, where he used a few files randomly 'borrowed' along the way to seriously discommode certain of Fate and the Game's Earthly operations. He's got a life expectancy that you could measure in weeks (Kronos and Asmodeus want him dead. Now), but who cares? When all is said and done, who really cares? Personally ... well, Xavier stopped having a personality while he was still in Trauma. About the last vestige left of that smiling, easygoing angel is a grim determination to not let anyone else be around to take a bullet for him. By his own choice, he doesn't have friends anymore. Dead men don't have friends. He's careful about dissonance, too - it'll just get in the way - but he doesn't really expect it to be too important in the long run. Worse comes to worse, he'll just turn it into Discord. Heck, he already acts Angry. Despite his new loner status (which makes the Inquisition very, very nervous), Xavier actually has a sort of secret Patron. Unfortunately, said Patron's from the wrong side. When Kobal heard about the Angel of Lost Paperwork's demonstration of what a real insult looks like, reliable rumor reports that the Prince of Dark Humor cracked the happiest, most joyful, most beatific smile that anyone's seen on his face since the First Rebellion. Kobal wants this angel around, kicking and blowing up Kronos' and Asmodeus' schemes and property for just a bit longer. He doesn't even want Xavier to Fall: it'll just make the angel less effective, and it's not like it'll keep him alive longer anyway... ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. 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