From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Dec 28 04:12:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA19834 for ; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 04:12:07 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id EAA07249 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 28 Dec 2000 04:10:29 -0600 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 04:10:29 -0600 Message-Id: <200012281010.EAA07249@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1994 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, December 28 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1994 In this digest: IN> Re: The Gentleman Sorceror Re: IN> Point balance? The Enemies alone wipe _that_ out... IN> [ADMIN] Must go for a bit... Re: IN> [ADMIN] Must go for a bit... Re: IN> Angels in hell Re: IN> Angels in hell Re: IN> The Grigori IN> Christopher question IN> The Demon of Lost Paperwork Re: IN> The Grigori Re: IN> Christopher question Re: IN> Christopher question Re: IN> Angels in hell IN> Soldiers and dissonance conditions Re: IN> Soldiers and dissonance conditions IN> Blandine Gets Proactive Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive Make the hurting stop! (WAS: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive) Re: Make the hurting stop! (WAS: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive) Re: Make the hurting stop! (WAS: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive) Re: IN> [Choir] The Abelim Re: IN> Grigori Servitor (Wheeee!!!) Re: IN> Grigori Servitor (Wheeee!!!) Re: Cel. Song of Machines (was Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine) Re: Cel. Song of Machines (was Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine) Re: Cel. Song of Machines (was Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine) Re: IN> Grigori Servitor (Wheeee!!!) IN>Training the Flowerchildren Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive Re: Make the hurting stop! (WAS: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive) IN> The Book of Sorcerors-Artifact Re: IN> MacGuffin (was Re: Cel. Song of Machines) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:39:17 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Re: The Gentleman Sorceror >Ah, exactly the kind of subtle, urbane NPC that I most enjoy >portraying! And I didn't get you anything... There There There...the satisfaction of a sorceror well made is good enough for me. >Yeah. I like good magician characters as well. Though I think that strictly >canon-wise, I believe that the Ethereal would need to give the attunement of >the Ethereal connection to allow the sorcerer to use the Ethereal songs. >Very cool though. Thank you and I will definately make note of it. I rather hope the fellow gets included in one of EDG's next writeups as he proven to be one of the more interesting characters that my players have faced in their time on Earth....nothing confuses Malakim more (save Olgiel of course) than a human who calls them on morality issues. >As he would Say, " An Englishman dear fellow an Englishman, as Kipling >said I have won fist prize in the lottery of Life and been born >British. A chipper response indeed and quite the proper feel for him, aiye. >Very nice, even if it does seem a little Alistair Crowley.[ And if >he's connected with the Rosicrutions when he started magic he should >know of if not know Crowley. [This comment is subject to the usual >caveat that my inner Shedite s playing up again]. Aleister Crowley in In nomine I think was more along the lines of servitor of "Dark Humor" (his sarcastic biting edge to all his "texts" against God and religeon is something that frankly stinks of how I see Kobal...not very funny to the human mind at all) either that or a servitor of "Lust", though it's possible as a sorceror he had associations with both. Perhaps even Freedom. (Just can't get enough of those Lilim) The Gentleman sorceror Perry has a much more strict morality though as with all sorcerors his will and his own innate sense of the universe operating around himself makes it more Asmodeusian than necessarily Heavenish...he and Crowley would definately clash when they met as their idealogies are distinctly different...probably through the standard method of sending demons against each other. Who got the better of it, I dunno though I lean toward the Gentleman losing at firts but getting the laugh. (he is after all alive) - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 14:55:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Point balance? The Enemies alone wipe _that_ out... This will fit my game PERFECTLY. And I didn't even have to ask for it. Thank you, Moe. :) - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! GET SOME SLACK, CREATE SOME SLACK, OR DIE THESE ARE YOUR *ONLY* CHOICES -- St. Bubba ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:16:57 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: IN> [ADMIN] Must go for a bit... I have to Go Away for a little while. Business... Elizabeth, could you kindly u/n/s/u/b/scribe me, please? I'd do it myself, but I'm telnetting and don't have the address at hand. Thanks, and I'll see you all in 2001! cheers, Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:22:32 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> [ADMIN] Must go for a bit... On 12/27/00 12:16 PM, "Douglas Muir" alleged: > > I have to Go Away for a little while. Business... > > Elizabeth, could you kindly u/n/s/u/b/scribe me, please? I'd do it myself, > but I'm telnetting and don't have the address at hand. > > Thanks, and I'll see you all in 2001! > > cheers, > Happy new year, then, Doug! We'll see you when you get back, and remember -- we have a meal at Arisia planned. - -- Eric A. Burns - in-sabre@annotations.com - http://www.annotations.com "It was then I felt my heart break like a fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of Reality -- and it's been broken ever since." - --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:28:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Angels in hell On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Tafka J. wrote: > At 10:46 AM -0500 12/25/00, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > Remember that, house rules to the contrary, angels cannot lie when they > > are in celestial form. They're either speaking angelic, which CANNOT > > be used to lie, or they're speaking Helltongue, which inflicts dissonnance > > if they lie. > > Does this mean that 'canonically': An angel can speak in Helltongue > without dissonance, so long as they speak only the truth like a Seraph > would? No. Canonically, an angel saying "I am an angel." in Helltongue gets a point of dissonance. No exceptions. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "If this television craze continues...we are destined to have a nation of morons." -- Boston University president Daniel Marsh, 1950 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:34:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Angels in hell On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > Does this mean that 'canonically': An angel can speak in Helltongue > >without dissonance, so long as they speak only the truth like a Seraph > >would? > > Yes. Really??? Damn, I need to hit the books again... usually I manage to stay well ahead of my players when it comes to rules loopholes.... :) Hmm, pretty clear, actually. Guess I had a bit set wrong. Ah well. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! Windows 95/98: A 32-bit patch for a 16-bit GUI shell over an 8-bit operating system written for a 4-bit processor by a 2-bit company who cannot stand 1 bit of competition. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:18:50 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> The Grigori Very nice. A whole of chunk of new In Nomine waiting to be canonized. Might it get posted as canon on the SJGames pages, in some manner, without having to wait for a book? Question: Does anything besides political considerations keep the Outcast Grigori Archangel of Song from minting new angels - -- Grigori or otherwise -- while it's in exile? (Ditto David's own canon-ready Grigori Archangel of Death.) Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:19:46 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> Christopher question Can Christopher's Kyrios possess and animate toys? I half-remember that they do; if they don't, it seems they ought to. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:21:43 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Demon of Lost Paperwork I simply love this guy Good job Moe. His single minded war against Asmodeus and Kronos is great indeed, I hope he develops a battalion of simarily "Brazil" (a terry gilum movie) style operatives working against the forces of these two nasty princes. FREEDOM! - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:02:12 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> The Grigori Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Question: Does anything besides political considerations keep > the Outcast Grigori Archangel of Song from minting new angels > -- Grigori or otherwise -- while it's in exile? (Ditto David's > own canon-ready Grigori Archangel of Death.) I don't see what would prevent them, though they probably have fewer resources than an Archangel who's still got a Cathedral in Heaven. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 16:11:55 -0500 From: "zlindsey" Subject: Re: IN> Christopher question I don't see anything about it in his write-up. Actually, in my opinion, seems like that might be a little disturbing to a child...Maybe something to give to a shedite demon of children, if there is such a thing, or just a servant of Beleth. Clear Skies Zach The real problem with stories is if you keep them going long enough, they always end in death - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl Wajenberg" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 3:19 PM Subject: IN> Christopher question > Can Christopher's Kyrios possess and animate toys? > I half-remember that they do; if they don't, it seems > they ought to. > > Earl > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:13:19 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Christopher question I know very little about Christopher or his servants, but i thought that the best thing for a kyriotate would be as the kids "invisible friend". If any of the other choirs get such a thing then all well and good, especially the cherubim. Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:09:24 -0500 From: "Kirt Dankmyer, aka Loki" Subject: Re: IN> Angels in hell > > > Does this mean that 'canonically': An angel can speak in Helltongue > > >without dissonance, so long as they speak only the truth like a Seraph > > >would? > > > > Yes. > > Really??? Damn, I need to hit the books again... usually I manage to stay > well ahead of my players when it comes to rules loopholes.... :) > > > > Hmm, pretty clear, actually. Guess I had a bit set wrong. Ah well. BTW, does someone want to point me to what book it talks about Helltongue causing dissonance to angels other than Seraphs? Perhaps I'm daft, but I can't find it. Is it in the main rulebook? -Loki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 23:44:25 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Soldiers and dissonance conditions One of my characters is probably going to end up adopting an abandoned Soldier, but there's a problem. If a Soldier doesn't follow the restrictions of his angel, does the angel take dissonance? Or does the angel merely suffer the disapproval of his fellow Servitors for not keeping his Soldier in line? Or would his Superior, if he or she heard of it, tell him "I don't care if you took dissonance or not, don't let him do that again!" I seem to recall, in *A Bright Dream*, the Mercurian had her servant kill a human. On the other hand, we all know what a miserable excuse for a Mercurian she was. On the third hand, would allowing (or encouraging) your Soldiers to do things you can't do be considered a legitimate loophole by Superiors if it didn't lead to dissonance? (The problem with this Soldier is that he's ex-Army, very handy with a rifle, and my character's a Servitor of Stone.) Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 17:51:49 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Soldiers and dissonance conditions Janet Anderson wrote: > If a Soldier doesn't follow the restrictions of his angel, does the angel > take dissonance? No. > Or does the angel merely suffer the disapproval of his fellow Servitors for > not keeping his Soldier in line? Probably. Though some of the more pragmatic angels probably see that as the reason for having Soldiers -- letting them do the "dirty work" that angels can't. This doesn't mean a Seraph would send his Soldier to lie for him, but Mercurians can appreciate the need for some "muscle." Likewise, Dominic probably expects Soldiers of Judgment to behave as much like angels of Judgment as humanly possible, but Janus encourages Soldiers of the Wind to stay in one place to provide safe havens for his Servitors. > On the third hand, would allowing (or encouraging) your Soldiers to do > things you can't do be considered a legitimate loophole by Superiors if it > didn't lead to dissonance? Again, depends on the Choir and Superior. > (The problem with this Soldier is that he's ex-Army, very handy with a > rifle, and my character's a Servitor of Stone.) David is pragmatic and honorable and pigheaded at the same time. He'd probably _allow_ the Soldier to use his preferred weapons, and even see the utility of it from time to time....but he'd expect the Soldier to follow the ways of Stone as much as possible, and he certainly wouldn't be happy about an angel of Stone regularly telling his Soldier "Hey, shoot that guy since I can't".... - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 00:01:30 -0000 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive "Get me the kamis." Despite the calmness of the woman's voice -- as always -- the black-winged angel hurried to obey. He brought the small celphone across, dialling the number as he did so. It was a tiny thing, a work of inconceivable delicacy, a celestial creation more perfect than any phone of earth. It rang three times before a voice answered. "Moshi moshi?" "This is Blandine." A pause. The person on the other end of the line spoke in the angelic tongue, this time. "Most respected one, I am delighted to have the honour of speaking to you. May this humble personage enquire the nature of your interest?" She began ticking off points on her fingers, counting them as she did so. "Primus, on several occasions I have refrained from making strikes on your operations -- and you know the ones to which I am referring. Secundus, you have the marketing studies proving the area of interest in question. Tertius, I am not proposing to dictate characters or plots, but I require definite theme. All-conquering love. Quartus -- you will doubtless be able to satisfy the Prince of the Media with high viewing figures." "Quintus, respected one?" "You don't want to know about the quintus." "Ahem. Very well. Indeed, it would be our honour to work on a project of this nature, and as a matter of fact, we already have a number of possible lines of approach drawn up. A group of five, encompassing basic character types for wide audience appeal, episodic structure in long-term campaign, eventual character change and development, full reverence for historical culture and tradition while at the same time ecological and progressive use of technology, suitably beautified so as to appeal to the target audience, defeatable monsters, emphasis on teamwork, the triumph of love . . ." "Yes. You need not bring me every detail. Videotapes may be delivered to the usual drop-point. Is it understood?" "Hai, Blandine-daitenchi. Project Sailor Moon is go." - --- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:27:29 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive From: "Genevieve Cogman" > > "Hai, Blandine-daitenchi. Project Sailor Moon is go." *twitch* *twitch* *twitch* *thud* Brilliantly written, and suitably twisted. Good work, Genevieve. ;;;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 18:55:55 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genevieve Cogman" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 6:01 PM Subject: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive [snip] > "Hai, Blandine-daitenchi. Project Sailor Moon is go." *blink* *blink blink* *twitch* BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! A stroke of genius, milady! (Sadly, however, it appears that Nybbas won out in the end -- at least on the American release version.) - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 19:00:49 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive From: "Charles Glasgow" > > (Sadly, however, it appears that Nybbas won out in the end -- at least on > the American release version.) And Andrealphus won on the fanfic front... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 01:05:04 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive Sailormoon... bah.. Babylon 5.... thats more dream and hope inspiring.. mankinds last best hope and all that... > > "Hai, Blandine-daitenchi. Project Sailor Moon is go." > >*twitch* > >Brilliantly written, and suitably twisted. Good work, Genevieve. ;;;) But i agree with that. I'm now thinking of a group of ofanim and malakim who are unofficially known as 'Quintus', who go about unseen, because no one wants to really know about the final option. Cass "I didn't come to fight, I came to watch the end of your existence. Give evil nothing to oppose and it will disappear by itself." - - Tsunami Shijo (Anime: Twilight of the Darkmaster) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 19:13:04 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive From: "cassandra benner" > Sailormoon... bah.. Babylon 5.... thats more dream and hope inspiring.. > mankinds last best hope and all that... True, but I can't see either side of the War giving that one the nod, given the way the War in B5 played out. ;;;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 19:20:05 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Make the hurting stop! (WAS: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive) After reading the last post in this thread, I just started picturing other IN-Anime series... OW! Ataru Moroboshi, soldier of Lust, chases after an Ofanite of Lightning named Lum in "Those Annoying Celestials." Various servitors of Jordi (Fallen and non,) fighting alongside and/or against Ranma, child of the Grigori, in an even more literal "Ranma 1/2." And I'd really rather forget about Andre and all those tentacles... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:51:57 -0500 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: Make the hurting stop! (WAS: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive) On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 19:20:05 -0600 "Prodigal" writes: > After reading the last post in this thread, I just started picturing > other IN-Anime series... OW! Hey, and then there's IN: Oh My Goddess, which maps rather well into In Nomine when all is said and done; Belldandy's a pretty dead ringer for either a Cherub or Mercurian of Destiny... - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 20:55:23 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: Make the hurting stop! (WAS: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive) From: > > Hey, and then there's IN: Oh My Goddess, which maps rather > well into In Nomine when all is said and done; That would probably be why it doesn't make my head hurt like the ones I thought of did... ;;;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 19:24:25 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> [Choir] The Abelim Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 00:31:32 -0500From: EDG Subject: IN> [Choir] The Abelim >Thanks to Cassandra for this one. Yes, I know that >the plural probably isn't proper Hebrew, but then, >neither is the name itself (which should be >rendered "lba" in the singular). Please note that >this Choir is intended strictly for NPC use; >roleplaying an Abel properly for any length of time >would be quite difficult and likely depressing as >hell. I liked, no matter what the proper Hebrew was. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 19:39:00 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Grigori Servitor (Wheeee!!!) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 04:03:59 -0400From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> Grigori Servitor (Wheeee!!!) >Moe, this is good stuff. Thanks. Everyone else who said nice stuff can have a piece of the thanks, too. :) >Interesting points: >>If celestials could have heart attacks, Eggur would >>have gotten one when he emerged from Limbo to >>discover that the rest of his Choir - _the_ _entire_ >>_rest_ _of_ _his_ _Choir_ - had gotten themselves >>tossed out of Heaven while he was incommunicado. >Now /this/ is one of those -- thump! -- "why didn't I >*think* of that" ideas. Of course a few Grigs were >in Limbo when their Choir got judged and expelled. When it hit _me_, I just sat there and gibbered. _Gibbered_. The image of the poor bastard emerging into a "Freejack" style nightmare world was just too, too, too prime for words. >>His current Role as a struggling storekeeper is >>typical: nobody looks for a Grigori without family >>ties, >Hm? Why not? I'd look for them far, far from the >haunts of men and angels, myself. Indulging in stereotyping, there. After all, nobody really knows too much about the Grigori these days, but they'd presumably keep up at least some of their bad habits ... thus, large families. After all, if it was the Malakim that got exiled, then you'd naturally look for them where the bodies were thickest... (pause) ... Oh. My. God. Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 19:41:39 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Grigori Servitor (Wheeee!!!) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 10:52:54 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Grigori Servitor (Wheeee!!!) At 9:41 PM -0800 12/26/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >>Of course, considering what I _did_ with it, that >>might not be such a good thing... >Looks like a good thing to me... >One query -- as a white-collar job, shouldn't his >Role be Status/2? Sure... if he was a successful shopkeeper in a rich nation. A 'poor' one (angels don't precisely need a lot of cash for necessities) in a poor country, well... :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 00:22:52 -0500 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: Cel. Song of Machines (was Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine) At 8:25 -0600 12/27/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: >> >Just remember to put me up for the Brian award this year.... >> >> the Brian award? > >Just from context, I would guess that the Brian award refers to the >legendary Brian VanHoose, of the "Knights of the Dinner Table" -- the single >best damn rules lawyer that ever lived. (In gamer fiction, that is). Correct. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 00:26:12 -0500 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: Cel. Song of Machines (was Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine) At 7:59 -0500 12/27/00, Perry Lloyd wrote: >>A *nasty* little Song; it has other abuses, which this character generally >>isn't interested in. (At least until there's some clear need for them....) > >Other abuses? Dare I ask? As I recall, the machine needs no fuel, and will function perfectly for the duration of the Song, which I seem to recall lasts until the specified purpose is fulfilled. (The LC is downstairs, and I don't feel like fetching it right now....) As a GM, I'd probably require that the specified purpose actually be something the player *intended* to do with the machine, but there's still a lot of room for abuse here. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 00:27:48 -0500 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: Cel. Song of Machines (was Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine) At 8:44 -0500 12/27/00, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >It was a balmy two degrees the day after Christmas. I'm back in New >Hampshire now, and that's 'warmer.' Of course, we have a wind off the >lake.... You could always visit the Seacoast.... >> When she pulled a Macguffin. >> >> BTW, what IS a Macguffin? > >I don't remember the origin of the term, Alfred Hitchcock, I believe. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:31:11 -0800 From: "Wade Hursman" Subject: Re: IN> Grigori Servitor (Wheeee!!!) Moe, I'm not sure if this is even necessary, but I'll ask for politeness sake. May I have permission to use Eggur in my tabletop campaign of In Nomine? I'll let you know details if you like, even how it turns out, if you're patient enough to wait on my group, that is. Wade Habbalite of Technology, Demon of Telemarketing. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:06:47 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: IN>Training the Flowerchildren Comments are appreciated. :) - -------------------------------------- It was a mission like any other. Ezriel, Malakite of The Sword, was in Amsterdam, part of a strike unit of Servitors of The Sword and Stone, attacking a Tether of Gluttony in tandem. The Gluttons were putting up a surprisingly stiff resistance, but their Seneschal, an overfed and apathetic Djinn, had already been soul-killed by one of Stone's Malakim and the gathering of demons and mortal Hellsworn were already showing signs of fraying and scattering. Even as Ezriel was rocked by the projected wrath of a frenzied Habbalite that was still swallowing a bite of ham, he saw one of David's Seraphim using the Cold Touch attunement to turn the second most powerful demon present after the fallen Seneschal, a grossly fat Impudite who'd assumed Corporeal form rather than risk soul-death, into solid stone, sending the demon within the vessel back to Hell in Trauma. Ezriel recovered during the interlude, pretending to stumble, only to strike the overconfident Habbalite through the stomach with his flaming sword when the mad creature approached to capitalize on the Malakite's apparent weakness, deleting one more demon from the great List held by the honorable Sir Laurence, when it happened. "It" was a Seraph Master of Peace, fresh from the Glade of Novalis, accompanied by a Bright Lilim and a Mercurian of Flowers. Naturally, the Seraphim of Flowers attunement wreaked havoc on the fight, and the situation was not aided by the Bright Lilim Singing Ethereal Harmony over the entire gathering. Instantly, what had been a hard but winnable fight, degenerated into chaos as the demons, many of whom naturally had strong willpower, began to resist the attunement and the Song. The surprised angels of Stone and The Sword, mostly Seraphim and Malakim, with the odd Cherub thrown in, were unable to cope as quickly. All of a sudden, the tide began to turn against the angels. As Ezriel watched, struggling to fight off the attunement, a Seraph of The Sword was borne down and soul-killed by a smirking Calabite of Gluttony. Other angels were quickly taken as well. It might well have been over then and there, save that one of the Malakim of The Sword had the Songs of Ethereal Shields and Ethereal Cacophony and used them in tandem, protecting himself and striking the leader of the reorganizing demons with confusion, in that order. The Gluttons, unable to assemble and still facing an enraged group of Stonies and Laurencians, decided that discretion was the better part of valor and ran for the hills, pursued by a few of David's angels who'd won free of the paralyzing attunement and Song of the Flowerchildren. Naturally, when an enraged Ezriel confronted the Seraph of the trio, the Seraph explained that he'd done nothing wrong. It is dissonant for the Servitors of Flowers to allow or encourage any unnecessary violence. Since the angels were the ones who started the fight, the violence was unnecessary and he and his companions had done as they were tacitly bid by their Archangel: prevented the unnecessary violence from proceeding. Angry words and shouted fury over the failure of the assualt and the deaths of angels failed to ruffle the wing-feathers of the Seraph or his compatriots, and Ezriel had watched as the Flowerchildren walked out with a self-justified air, although the Mercurian wept for those who had fallen, on both sides, and had to be escorted out by the Bright Lilim. When Ezriel returned to the Church of The Sword in the Eternal City and made his report, he could not refrain from adding a bitter comment about the Servitors of Flowers. The Seraph who took his report relayed it up the chain of command to Laurence, and the comment gave the Archangel of The Sword an idea. Laurence went to Michael and David to discuss the problem of Flowery interference. It was in conference with the Archangels of Stone and War that David suggested that, since Novalis would most likely not listen to any suggesstion that she keep her angels away from military encounters from any of them, perhaps they should open a training center. Ostensibly, the center would be used to teach angels of Flowers how to defend themselves when violence becomes absolutely necessary, but in reality designed to teach the Flowerchildren how to recognize and avoid interfering in scenarios like the attack on the Gluttony Tether in Amsterdam, and perhaps turn their resonances to battlefield assistance, keeping in mind that they may not engage in unnecessary violence. The only problem would be convincing Novalis. As might be expected, the Archangel of Flowers was skeptical. She felt her angels were doing quite well enough as is without any added commentary from Stone, War, or The Sword. It took a great deal of persuasion for her to even consider the idea, even with David's stubborn tenacity, and finally it was only when Michael brought in the aid of Marc, Archangel of Trade, that Novalis was persuaded. It was agreed that a training facility would be opened in one of the vales on the border between the Glade and the Groves, and that an angel of Trade would be on hand to supervise and keep the peace. Thus it came to pass: with the Archangels of War, Stone, and The Sword selecting various of their angels as trainers, the Archangel of Flowers selecting a trial group of angels for the first training session, and the Archangel of Trade selecting one of his Distincted angels to oversee the whole joint project. - --------------------------------------------- The chief angels involved in this training project are as follows. * Name: Ezriel Choir: Malakim Superior: Laurence Attunements: Malakite of The Sword, Ofanite of The Sword, Purity of Purpose, Scabbard, Hunt Songs: Corporeal Shields, Celestial Shields, Ethereal Darkness, Celestial Healing. Name: Hesaba Choir: Malakim Superior: David Attunements: Malakite of Stone, Cold Touch, Inevitability, Brotherhood Songs: Shields (all), Celestial Entropy, Celestial Motion, Darkness (Ethereal, Celestial), Cacophony (Corporeal, Ethereal). Name: Keliop Choir: Elohim Superior: Michael Attunements: Elohite of War, Howl, Sure-footed Songs: Entropy (all), Healing (all), Celestial Fire, Ethereal Light Name: Toroni Choir: Seraphim Superior: Marc Distinction: Friend of the Shareholders Attunements: Seraph of Trade, Mercurian of Trade, Bright Lilim of Trade, Head of a PIN, Vassal of Trade, Friend of the Shareholders Songs: Ethereal Attraction, Healing (all), Darkness (all), Light (all), Corporeal Motion. *Its here that I have some problems. Any suggestions on how to do these stats would be appreciated, and feel free to use this idea in your own campaigns. :) Personalities will follow the stats. :) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 06:31:10 -0000 From: "I. Inayat" Subject: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive > "Yes. You need not bring me every detail. Videotapes may be delivered to the > usual drop-point. Is it understood?" > > "Hai, Blandine-daitenchi. Project Sailor Moon is go." > > --- I _wondered_ why the Angel of Anime was in service to Blandy... Hmm. Wonder if the Angel of Sailor Moon works under him/her... and if so, what choir said angel is... That said... ARGH! ARGH! ARGH! IT'S HURTING MY BRAIN! I thank you. :) Imran ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 06:31:36 -0000 From: "I. Inayat" Subject: Re: Make the hurting stop! (WAS: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 2:51 AM Subject: Re: Make the hurting stop! (WAS: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive) > Hey, and then there's IN: Oh My Goddess, which maps rather > well into In Nomine when all is said and done; Belldandy's > a pretty dead ringer for either a Cherub or Mercurian of > Destiny... And Skuld's a Malakite of Lightning. Or she'll fledge that way. But Urd... I dunno. Ex-Servitor of Lust, now IST Eli? Definitely maps to an Ofanite, though... (Any guesses on what Band Mara is?) Imran ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 02:28:34 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Book of Sorcerors-Artifact The Book of Sorcerors The Book of Sorcerors is kronos's secret weapon against infernal magic wielders ever gaining great power over Hell to the point that it allows humans some control over their final Fate...that could never be tolerated. It is as much a part of his attunement process as the instillation of power that makes a mortal into a Sorceror. It is this gaurentee which truly makes sure of the damnation of sorcerors if Kronos feels it is worth the risk to reveal the power of the Book and has only used it's most dramatic properties sparingly throughout history and even then only when he could make sure that the true level of control he maintains over those who seek out his attunement for power will never hear of it. The book is rather plain looking and thus virtually every demon in the Archives overlooks it save Haphitas (who has acess to it) and Kronos himself. A gremlin or Imp might have noticed them handling it sometime and taken note for later information but finding it in the mass of volumes Kronos has is a formidable task and Kronos moves it every time he is finished with the book....preffering such in the open than openly gaurded. Like any number of drab uninteresting Hellish books humans have written on devils and demons it is a simple black tome which has an inverted silver pentagram on it (it is popular sport to mock humans and their belief it is a diabolic symbol). The book when opened holds it's true secrets however as it shows the life history of every single sorceror with a Kronos sorcery attunement who has ever lived. The pages are blackened and dark with those sorcerors who have lived, died, and met their fates but can provide valuable insights into the lives of evil and/or selfishness they have led. The pages that are blank in the book are very rare indeed but represent mortal sorcerors who by power of Archangel or the Angels of Final Judgement escaped Kronos's clutches despite having sworn themselves to magic. More interestingly are those whose pages are vibrant and "living" as they are constantly added onto by the magic of the book. Illustrated by unseen forces the book details their deeds with loving care and is even gracious enough to provide footnotes. The power of Kronos's attunement truly links them to this book so kronos can observe and record their every action for his own indominatable and vile will. Haphitas uses the book truly as a resource for dealing with sorcerors whom she may not have dealt with before or in a long while and thus be allowed an appalling lack of personal information about a subject that allows her to make mortals overestimate her power and knowledge (though both at her disposal are still great even by demonic standards). The book thus is an inestimable resource with a nearly infinite number of pages. The powers of the book do not end with mere observation however and the most dramatic use of the book's power are quite and potentially extremely disturbing. By simply removing the pages that describe the sorceror's gaining and using their powers a demon, angel, or even mortal can literally strip sorcery from that person in question. It is speculated that it might actually be possible to kill a sorceror if the entirety of the pages are destroyed but this is unsubstantiated. Thus Kronos doesn't believe sorcery will ever be a threat. The Book of course does not effect or contain information about Gabriellian or Laurencian sorcerors (or any other who gained their magick other than through Kronos) but they are a distinct minority compared to the Prince of Fate. Adventure seed * A Malakim and a Seraph manage to steal the dread book of sorcery as they begin the slow (tediously slow) destruction of sorcery on Earth as the Malakim wishes to simply destroy every sorceror on the planet as once for punishment and being hellsworn but the Seraph thus far refuses such a rash act. * A Gremlin who once saw the book wants it for his own as a Balseraph and intends to use it to blackmail all sorcerors into becomming full hellsworn...or die. The Balseraph deeply resents his inferior position under Haphitas and intends to take her word after he eliminates her with his power. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 10:08:37 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> MacGuffin (was Re: Cel. Song of Machines) >He continues: > >"The MacGuffin is nothing, really. It's >like a painter, worrying whether the >apples in the painting are sweet or sour. >Who cares? It's his style, his manner >of painting." > >So it is in RPGs: the MacGuffin doesn't actually matter to anyone except >the PCs and select NPCs, and almost anyone else who's told about it >responds with "But what does it matter?" > >-EDG Awesome. Thanks! Oh, and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, EDG. :P - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1994 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.