From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Dec 31 07:23:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29429 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 07:23:37 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id HAA29869 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 31 Dec 2000 07:23:47 -0600 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 07:23:47 -0600 Message-Id: <200012311323.HAA29869@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1998 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, December 31 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1998 In this digest: IN> Re: If I could talk to the animals Re: IN> A bit of In Re: IN> ?DESTRUCTION? IN> ?DESTRUCTION? - 2 IN> The Final Nybbas report Re: IN> The Final Nybbas report IN> Aziriphale's choir! Re: IN> The Grigori Re: IN> Clever Game Stunts (Re: GURPS In-Nomine) Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine Re: IN> Aziriphale's choir! Kyriotate's Dissonance Condition (was: Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 14:43:18 -0800 From: "Glenn Brown" Subject: IN> Re: If I could talk to the animals Congratulations, Mo, that's another *very* nice idea. But it occurs to me that this *particular* Redemption is wonderfully convenient for Vapula as well. Think of the new Technologies all those newly sentient species might create...I could almost wonder if perhaps Vapula deliberately manipulated his Servitor into Redeeming, and did it cleverly enough to keep both Heaven and the Game from realizing. Perhaps some PC's (either angelic or demonic) might discover evidence that suggested a Redeemed Servitor of Jordi is still be subtly protected and helped by some Technology Servitors? If they tried to find out why, they might quickly get in over their heads. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 14:09:01 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> A bit of In {snippage} R.O.T.F.L.M.B.O* Yay, short funny sketch that makes me think of laurence in a tent with one of his troops infront of him. >"He wanted to do my hair." > >"The demon wanted to do your hair?" > >"Yes, he said I had beautiful hair." > >"So you allowed the demon to do your hair?" > >"Yes, he did a nice job too." > >"I see." > >"French braids actually." *Rolling On The Floor Laughing My Batwings Off Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 13:34:46 -0300 From: Bigatto Subject: Re: IN> ?DESTRUCTION? > > A calabite servitor of Belial and servitors of Saminga wiped out a whole > district of the city, causing a disturbance that > EVERY celestial could perceive in a radius of at least 14 Earths (at least 5000 > people died plus houses and cars destroyed..)! > > > Other than the dissonance the princes would probably be overjoyed at it all, > > especially saminga and belial. > Mmmm... but the stated policy of the Princes is that they want to keepthings > hidden until they're ready for Armageddon. This isn't quiet. It'salso the > policy of Lucifer, and he might not be *too* pleased either... > > > If i was the gm in that game i'd give one of the charecters the word of > > 'overkill' or the equivilant of 'never enough c12'. > > Whereas my Lucifer would give one of the characters the Word of Singed > Gasoline Cans. (Or the Epithet of "He Who Puts His Head Into Artillery > Barrels," if you use Epithets. ) Would Lucifer mind that much about a colossal disturbance? I mean what consequences would this bring? In my opinon, the only problem is that almost every celetial would like to exterminate these careless demons (and since a disturbance of that magnitude would echo for six months), they would be in great trouble. Maybe the only choices to escape is to go to the marches, a safe place in the pricipality (if this exists) or the limbo... But if Belial and Saminga (the princes in matter) would enjoy it, they could agree with the "reclusion" of these servitors for "just" six months or even help they escape the site... What do you think? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 13:34:55 -0300 From: Bigatto Subject: IN> ?DESTRUCTION? - 2 Subject: IN> The Final Nybbas report Sahara Desert-6:00 am Well folks it's finally over. The War is done, kaput and otherwise finished...I'm standing here on the remanents of the battle of Armageddon and boy was it messy. The opening salvos from Holy and Unholy modern weapons to Malakim and Seraphim flying through the air weren't pretty but it was of course not going to be too long til the Archangels and Demon princes fought their way too each other. In the interests of Journalistic integrity I sat this one out. The first major superior to die in this work was of course Saminga as he just ran screaming with his army of the dead into the conflict and was promptly slain by Laurence....though I must admit it was one hell of a sight to see the ancient warriors give battle to the vast number of zombies, demons, and mummies at his disposal. David was the next to Perish as his angels were at a distinct disadvantage in their battle where every blow counted and the first strike of Belial was enough that the Prince of Fire was able to finish his opponent despite heavy damage...I'm afraid David managed to destroy the nice fire-proof business suit he was wearing but that's not important. Haagenti the lord of Gluttony had his luck run out rather soon into the conflict as well, because as Michael was wading through battle to attack Baal, the Lord of Gluttony charged and Michael crushed his skull after numerous bites with his battle ax. The things that came out of him WERE NOT PRETTY. With two of Hell's Princes down and both warriors Malphas whispered words of treachery into the ears of his fellow Princes as Andrephalus and Fufur both complied and attacked the Superior who was not trying to do battle with the forces of darkness but make last minute conversions with her forces and healing the fallen....Andrephalus I feel knew that he was doomed and wanted one last period of pleasure while Fufur simply saw a Archangel he could claim as his own kill. As Michael battled Baal openly for the first time, he is said to have screamed for every momment of the time it took Novalis to die. Blandine facing her lover Beleth pleaded once more for the love they once shared and refused they did battle but it was Hope who was struck down by her lover not nightmare....Beleth laughing in ectasy. With the fall of the Archangels of Peace Michael screamed in agony and it seemed Baal would triumph. Then all hell breaks lose...figuratively as a weird sound trumpets from the higher heavens and this cuss ugly Archangel with glowing white skin, long flowing golden hair, yada yada yada pours from the Heavens as he destroys Beleth, Andrephalus, and Fufur within minutes of attacking. Apparently this guy is the Uriel fellow from a few years back and boy was he brassed off by all this. With the emergence of this fellow the number of Devils slain gets unfortunately extensive....Mammon killed with a golden calf paper wait in Hell by Marc as he tried to make off with his treasures to rule in Hell after narrowly surviving a battle with David, Fleurity laughed until his skull pussed heroin by Christopher, and Laurence with Zadikiel and Khalid's help avenged Novalis on Malphas as they slaughtered him as he begged for mercy. Jordi had battled bravely against Belial but ultimately the Prince of Fire slew him and Christopher perished at the hands of demons who loathed children as he destroyed nearly them all...sparing his servitors the brunt of the conflict or some such. It was obvious that after destroying two Archangels (three if you count Oannes) that Belial was close to spent and seeing Gabrielle simply laughed and detonated himself....slaying both Jean and Vapula and a substanial ammount of his own servitors....the mechanized rubbel of both's forces likely would have destroyed the world anyway. Gabrielle seemed unharmed by the flame herself and continued with her seemingly random smiting. The entire battle Asmodeus and Dominic engauged in a war of words as they spoke of law, God, man, Destiny, Free will, Guilt, and Punishment. Dominic in the end conclusively proved (or so it seems, I couldn't hear myself) the inevitability of good over evil and Asmodeus slew his former master for the outrage.....only to be killed by Uriel as that Archangel was covered in the blood and entrails and seemingly immune from darkness. Alaemon was strangled by Litheroy as Kobal killed that personage just as he was about to teleport all the secrets in his dark vault to all who needed them. Kobal also with Lilith's help stabbed Marc in the back as he stood triumphant after his victory over Mammon, believing Lilith wanted her repentance. It was then this old dirty fellow who my sources indicate is the Archangel Eli came upon Kobal and Lilith and simply shook his head before incinerating them both with a look. It was then Lucifer himself waded into battle as Michael proceeded to cut the wings and head off of Baal. I got his next words word for word "You absolute fools. You never realized that all of Hell was my power base....as you destroyed them their power returned to me and I have subsumed it as you have grown weaker. With this final act I will destroy you all and take your power....ascending to the godhead and devouring at last all light.". You know it's rather disheartening to know all of Armageddon was to make you cannon fodder. Absorbing all the demons on the battlefield that he could this huge dragon poured against the remaining angels in a manner that is distinctly unpleasant. Khalid died, Uriel was swallowed whole, and with a final crushing blow I saw Michael have his neck snapped. It was then Laurence prayed on his knees and cast down his sword.....then the whole lighty thingy and all I know is that the War is over, Lucifer is no more, and me and every other few survivors demons that remain are trapped here in Hell and by golly we're going to STAY HERE. Unless we repent...hmmm....no more souls either. This is Nybbas news signing off...forever. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 20:59:34 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> The Final Nybbas report >From: "Charles Phipps" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: >Subject: IN> The Final Nybbas report >Sahara Desert-6:00 am Presumably day-break, I like it. >The first major superior to die in this work was of course Saminga as he >just ran screaming with his army of the dead into the conflict and was >promptly slain by Laurence....though I must admit it was one hell of a >sight >to see the ancient warriors give battle to the vast number of zombies, >demons, and mummies at his disposal. Makes sense, otherwise his word would have grown too powerful as the battle wore on. As Michael battled Baal openly for the first time, >he is said to have screamed for every momment of the time it took Novalis >to >die. With the fall of >the Archangels of Peace Michael screamed in agony and it seemed Baal would >triumph. I like the death of Heavenly Peace accompied by Micheal's agony. (Can one have Peace without War or War without Peace?) >Gabrielle seemed unharmed by the flame herself and continued with her >seemingly random smiting. Yes, well, fire does tend to do that, doesn't it? :) >The entire battle Asmodeus and Dominic engauged in a war of words as they >spoke of law, God, man, Destiny, Free will, Guilt, and Punishment. Dominic >in the end conclusively proved (or so it seems, I couldn't hear myself) the >inevitability of good over evil and Asmodeus slew his former master for the >outrage.....only to be killed by Uriel Kobal >also with Lilith's help stabbed Marc in the back as he stood triumphant >after his victory over Mammon, believing Lilith wanted her repentance. It >was then this old dirty fellow who my sources indicate is the Archangel Eli >came upon Kobal and Lilith and simply shook his head before incinerating >them both with a look. /with a look/ Very cool. Lends some support (kinda) to my pet theory that when Eli had stripped himself of all memories he and manifested on Earth, one of his names was Jesus Christ. Completely uncanonical in two versions of the game, American and French (don't how much they changed the German translation, though) >unpleasant. Khalid died, Uriel was swallowed whole, and with a final >crushing blow I saw Michael have his neck snapped. War dies . . . >It was then Laurence prayed on his knees and cast down his sword.....then >the whole lighty thingy and all I know is that the War is over, . . . and Laurence the ever-Christian throws down his sword. I like it. He's The Sword, though it doesn't specify exactly what The Sword does. :) Lucifer is >no more, and me and every other few survivors demons that remain are >trapped >here in Hell and by golly we're going to STAY HERE. > >Unless we repent...hmmm....no more souls either. > >This is Nybbas news signing off...forever. > >-Charlemagne very cool, you've brightened my cold, wintery day. :) - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 15:01:31 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> Aziriphale's choir! According to a biblical scholar's post on one of the newsgroups I frequent, it was cherubim who were set to guard the gates of Eden and prevent Adam and Eve from reentering. So Aziriphale, having been one of those very angels, would therefore have to be a chrub (and I'm guessing he'd serve Destiny.) So now we have yet another reason why he tried to prevent anybody from ever buying the books in his store: He was attuned to them. ;;;) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 16:42 +0000 From: Kay Dekker Subject: Re: IN> The Grigori Earl wrote: > > But maybe it's what God intended all along. > Another view likely to be popular with Grigori, who may even > have their own religions based on the concept. Indeed. IMC, the PCs (or, at least, a couple of them) have (unwittingly) made friends with the staff of a CotG-run seminary, and are just about to be invited to a rather special evening service. I can't wait to see their faces when the preacher does a sermon based on a quite individual exegesis of Psalm CXXVII. Assuming, that is, that they don't do the usual dumb-player thing of not noticing something even when it's waved blatantly beneath their noses. Kay - -- "Caesar, the Zeta Reticulans having been repelled, fortified the spaceport with walls and ditches." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 15:52 +0000 From: Kay Dekker Subject: Re: IN> Clever Game Stunts (Re: GURPS In-Nomine) Beth wrote: > Primus, the event that likely contributed to the Liber Canticorum ruling > that Song of Acid only works if the GM thinks the possessed item has a > "mouth." I think I only need one quote for this. > "You can't Dodge your underwear." *heh* Depends on the underwear, surely? consider Y-fronts, button-fly boxers... *owwwwww* Kay, catching up all the IN posts for over a week - -- "Caesar, the Zeta Reticulans having been repelled, fortified the spaceport with walls and ditches." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 16:25 +0000 From: Kay Dekker Subject: Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine Beth wrote: > At 11:14 AM -0500 12/28/00, Perry Lloyd wrote: > >OTOH, I've always wanted to slap Kyrios with a lot of > >Dissonance because IMO, leaving a person without memory of a large chunk of > >time in which they supposedly interacted in the world, and not leaving them > >a run down of what they were seen doing, is a disservice and leaves them in > >a worse condition than when the Angel arrived. I feel the same way, too. > I could see that, frankly. It would restrict Kyriotates to aware humans > who could be informed of things, and animals. A perfectly logical choice, > provided you tell your players this ruling up-front and they aren't the > sort to argue it. I have only one Kyrio PC IMC, and I've made him firmly aware that negligently disorienting one's host in time and space is distinctly Dissonant. Unfortunately, what with him being one of those dizzy Kyrios of Jean, _and_ a first-timer on Earth to boot, he hasn't quite grasped how little it takes to disorient a human. Yet. My on-the-fly ruling has been that minor outages (no more than a few seconds, or no more than a couple of minutes if the host's not moving or in a context where she or he would be acutely aware of the passage of time) aren't Dissonant. Major outages (over an hour, regardless; moving well away from the location in which the possession took place) are automatically Dissonant, and the Kyrio's Superior will almost certainly be ticked off with the offender to a considerable degree, barring mitigating circumstances. Anything between - well, it's my call :) So far, Cecil's been lucky... This is kind of interesting to me, as I have petit mal epilepsy, and now and then have "absences" ranging from a second or so (which I usually don't notice unless someone brings them to my attention) to several hours. The scariest was: one moment I'm sitting at home, having just got up, and eating breakfast; the next I'm standing in the middle of a local park, eating an orange, and it's three hours later. I'm just *so* glad that whoever was Possessing me let me get dressed before taking me out for a spin, or, um... well. And it was the middle of winter, too. Kay, evidently to rent on short-term leases, and smilingly thinking of Epilim (and if that ain't a Choir name...) as "Kyrio-B-Gon" - -- "Caesar, the Zeta Reticulans having been repelled, fortified the spaceport with walls and ditches." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 16:57:17 +1300 From: "Alex Liddell" Subject: Re: IN> Aziriphale's choir! >According to a biblical scholar's post on one of the newsgroups I frequent, >it was cherubim who were set to guard the gates of Eden and prevent Adam >and >Eve from reentering. So Aziriphale, having been one of those very angels, >would therefore have to be a chrub (and I'm guessing he'd serve Destiny.) > >So now we have yet another reason why he tried to prevent anybody from ever >buying the books in his store: He was attuned to them. ;;;) Didn't God also send Raphael to talk to Adam and Eve about the Garden.... and according to the bible he was a Cherub as well! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 13:21:39 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Kyriotate's Dissonance Condition (was: Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine) [lapse of a lot of memory in a host as dissonant to a Kyriotate] >I feel the same way, too. Of course, this might be avoided with a short (or long) note indicating what's transpired in the host's cognitive "absence" .... > > I could see that, frankly. It would restrict Kyriotates to aware humans > > who could be informed of things, and animals. A perfectly logical >choice, > > provided you tell your players this ruling up-front and they aren't the > > sort to argue it. > >I have only one Kyrio PC IMC, and I've made him firmly >aware that negligently disorienting one's host in >time and space is distinctly Dissonant. Unfortunately, >what with him being one of those dizzy Kyrios of Jean, >_and_ a first-timer on Earth to boot, he hasn't quite >grasped how little it takes to disorient a human. Yet. heh heh Well, as a Kyriotate of Jean, he has a lot more options than most Kyriotates. You might introduce a kyriotate NPC to teach him how to operate more or less a "normal" kyriotate and avoid dissonance (such as leaving extensive notes, forming a number of willing hosts, making sure that boring chores are taken care of before the angel leaves - doing things "for" the human host. Watching a few episodes of Quantum Leap is recommended.) >My on-the-fly ruling has been that minor outages >(no more than a few seconds, or no more than a couple >of minutes if the host's not moving or in a context >where she or he would be acutely aware of the passage >of time) aren't Dissonant. Major outages (over an >hour, regardless; moving well away from the location >in which the possession took place) are automatically >Dissonant, and the Kyrio's Superior will almost >certainly be ticked off with the offender to a >considerable degree, barring mitigating circumstances. >Anything between - well, it's my call :) So far, >Cecil's been lucky... > >This is kind of interesting to me, as I have petit >mal epilepsy, and now and then have "absences" ranging >from a second or so (which I usually don't notice >unless someone brings them to my attention) to >several hours. The scariest was: one moment I'm >sitting at home, having just got up, and eating >breakfast; the next I'm standing in the middle >of a local park, eating an orange, and it's three >hours later. I'm just *so* glad that whoever was >Possessing me let me get dressed before taking me >out for a spin, or, um... well. And it was the >middle of winter, too. I'm familiar with petit mal epilispy (in terms of book knowledge), but I'd forgotten (or didn't know) that it could have such dramatic effects. The three-hour episode reminds me more of what are termed "fugues". But, that's just my psych degree trying to feel useful. And I know that's it not correct, since fugue states ususally last a LONG time, months, sometimes years, and involve a drastich change in interests/personality and life-style (like the priest who leaves town and becomes an auto mechanic). (all of the following may be useful to GM/Players interested in Kyriotates) [A "fugue state" is a type of dissociative disorder in which the individual may "flee" from his or her usual life circumstances, take on a new identity and have no recollection of his or her previous life. Often the new personality is in stark contrast to the original one; e.g., a priest ends up working as a motorcycle mechanic. Fugue states are usually precipitated by some severe trauma or stressor and are not due to a neurologic condition, though they may raise suspicion of one.] http://www.mhsource.com/expert/exp1042098a.html DSM-IV 300.13 Dissociative Fugue also see http://www.mhsource.com/expert/exp1012097a.html - -Perry, Kyriotate of Flowers serving Creation (kfc) perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1998 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.