From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Feb 9 23:15:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA21772 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 23:15:07 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id XAA01416 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 23:14:13 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 23:14:13 -0600 Message-Id: <200002100514.XAA01416@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1526 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, February 9 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1526 In this digest: Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1525 Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning Re: IN> Angels and Languages. Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning IN> Copies of books (Re: The Guns of Lightning) Re: IN> Stone Vessels Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning Re: IN> Cherub of Laurance. IN> Dictionary of Angels RE: IN> The Guns of Lightning IN> Kyrios and Dissonance IN> Shameless plug ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 22:49:02 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning At 10:22 PM -0500 2/8/00, anthoch@earlham.edu wrote: >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > >Reliquaries are 3 per level. (That's in the main book, too!) > >That's what happens when you send email from work. ;) > >-EDG You don't have a second copy of the rules at work? What's everyone looking at me for? - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 22:51:14 -0600 From: "Michael Neal" Subject: Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Whistling in the Dark" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 9:49 PM Subject: Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning > You don't have a second copy of the rules at work? > > > > What's everyone looking at me for I'm wondering why that hadn't occured to me. J. Michael Neal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:14:49 -0500 From: rsean@cs.jhu.edu (R. Sean Borgstrom) Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1525 > From: Elizabeth McCoy > Subject: Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning > >>* I can't remember if Reliquary is 2 or 3 per level, and I don't have LR >>with me. > > Reliquaries are 3 per level. (That's in the main book, too!) Small nitpick: unless the Essence in the reliquary can /only/ be used for the relic, in which case it is 2 points per level. (Liber Reliquarum, p. 21) I suspect that that is the case for a blaster. :) ** R. Sean Borgstrom Author, "Nobilis" Pharos Press '99 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 01:56:04 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning At 10:51 PM -0600 2/8/00, Michael Neal wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Whistling in the Dark" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 9:49 PM >Subject: Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning > > > > You don't have a second copy of the rules at work? > > > > > > > > What's everyone looking at me for > >I'm wondering why that hadn't occured to me. It started with me when it took... well, "extra" time to receive playtester's copies of stuff. I'd end up buying the thing, so when the second copy came in, I'd stick it on my office bookshelf. Then I started writing in the evenings, so I picked up another copy of the Main Rules (making the number of copies I've bought three, including one I gave to a friend I was infecting) and kept it there. Now, I'm slowly accruing the supplementary stuff too. Eventually, I'll have all the Libers and X Players/GM's Guides there, and I'll probably spend a good two to three hours a night extra at work. Not *just* doing IN stuff, mind (there's a lot of writing out there), but when I *do* find myself in the IN mood, I'll have the tools on hand. I own two copies of "A Dictionary of Angels," too. I'm clearly quite barking mad. - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 23:51:48 PST From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning >From: Whistling in the Dark >. > >I own two copies of "A Dictionary of Angels," too. I'm clearly quite >barking mad. > > You are. Clearly you must send one to me. jo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:24:31 -0500 From: neelk@cswcasa.com Subject: Re: IN> Angels and Languages. "-=|horsefly|=-" wrote: > > from that, i contend that all celestials know the Corporeal Song of > Tongues at level 6, but spend no Essence in its use. were i to run an > In Nomine game, this would be an innate characteristic of celestials. > the downside is that it attracts a lot of attention from observant > humans who confer on what the celestial said and which language it > used to say it. after all the hastle this causes, Superiors simply > insist that their Servitors learn at least one human language, and if > they have to fall back on celestial abilities to get the job done, > they're to insure as few witnesses as possible. I like this idea a lot! If I run another game this is definitely the one I'll use. - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:21:58 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning At 10:51 PM -0600 2/8/00, Michael Neal wrote: >From: "Whistling in the Dark" > >> You don't have a second copy of the rules at work? >> >> What's everyone looking at me for > >I'm wondering why that hadn't occured to me. Just as a note, the more copies of first edition that sell out, the closer I come to getting to do _second_ edition... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:48:29 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning > >> You don't have a second copy of the rules at work? > >> > >> What's everyone looking at me for > > > >I'm wondering why that hadn't occured to me. > > Just as a note, the more copies of first edition that sell out, the > closer I come to getting to do _second_ edition... Maybe we can just get Whistlin' here to buy 'em all... :) - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:43:39 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning At 11:51 PM -0800 2/8/00, Jo Hart wrote: >>From: Whistling in the Dark >>. >> >>I own two copies of "A Dictionary of Angels," too. I'm clearly quite >>barking mad. >> >> > > >You are. Clearly you must send one to me. > > Clearly I must. "A Dictionary of Angels," for those of you who haven't seen one of these rants before, is one of the most useful IN tools I've seen. A good reference, devoid of "Angels are everywhere in your life" stuff in lieu of honest scholarly content. A good percentage of the NPC angels in my campaign get their names from this reference, and often their Words. You can't take most stuff verbatum, of course. This is a reference book, not a game supplement. But there's tons of useful stuff in it. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:54:37 -0600 From: "Eeyore" Subject: Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning - -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth McCoy To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 9:34 AM Subject: Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning >At 10:51 PM -0600 2/8/00, Michael Neal wrote: >>From: "Whistling in the Dark" >> >>> You don't have a second copy of the rules at work? >>> >>> What's everyone looking at me for >> >>I'm wondering why that hadn't occured to me. > >Just as a note, the more copies of first edition that sell out, the >closer I come to getting to do _second_ edition... Well, the tax refund should be showing up soon. Do you have an update on how many copies we have left to go? J. Michael Neal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:58:35 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning At 10:48 AM -0500 2/9/00, Emily Dresner wrote: > > > Just as a note, the more copies of first edition that sell out, the > > closer I come to getting to do _second_ edition... > >Maybe we can just get Whistlin' here to buy 'em all... :) Three Books for the Whistling Man in the dark. Seven for Habbalah Players bold, Nine for Mortal fans bought on a lark, One for the Archdean in New Hampshire cold. In the land of New England where the Icicles lie. One Book to set the rules, One Book to find them, One Book to bring them all and in the campaign bind them. In the land of New England where the Icicles lie. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:00:44 EST From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning In a message dated 2/9/00 3:52:51 PM, in-sabre@annotations.com writes: >Clearly I must. "A Dictionary of Angels," for those of you who >haven't seen one of these rants before, is one of the most useful IN >tools I've seen. A good reference, devoid of "Angels are everywhere >in your life" stuff in lieu of honest scholarly content. A good >percentage of the NPC angels in my campaign get their names from this >reference, and often their Words. > Is that the Gustav(son?) dictionary? I have something called 'Angels from A to Z,' which is quite good and scholarly, but a friend had the other one, and it was quite useful. Another good, if pricey, resource is the Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, which has all sorts of plot hooks. (Of course I got mine as a wedding present - from our parish priest, none the less...) Monothelitism, the practices of the Albegenses, Angel names, and so on. Mark (Of course, the Book of Enoch is helpful, too) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:04:41 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning Whistling in the Dark wrote (as part of a witty and unnervingly facile composition): > In the land of New England where the Icicles lie. I'll have you know that our icicles are both vertical and undeceptive -- they hang straight from the eaves, just *radiating* the message, "Come over here so I can drop on you and skewer you." Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:08:43 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning At 11:00 AM -0500 2/9/00, MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 2/9/00 3:52:51 PM, in-sabre@annotations.com writes: > >Is that the Gustav(son?) dictionary? I have something called 'Angels from A >to Z,' which is quite good and scholarly, but a friend had the other one, and >it was quite useful. Gustav Davidson, yes. I should have mentioned. ISBN 0-02-907052-X - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:21:42 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning At 11:04 AM -0500 2/9/00, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >Whistling in the Dark wrote (as part of a witty and unnervingly facile >composition): > > > In the land of New England where the Icicles lie. > >I'll have you know that our icicles are both vertical and >undeceptive -- they hang straight from the eaves, just *radiating* >the message, "Come over here so I can drop on you and skewer you." > >Earl Are you a New Englander too, Earl? (Why are we New Englanders, and not New English? Is it because Downeast folk are stubborn and contrary?) Who all on the list is of the New England persuasion? (I'm currently a Maine expatriate living in New Hampshire, to answer my own question.) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 11:29:40 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Copies of books (Re: The Guns of Lightning) At 9:54 PM -0600 2/9/00, Eeyore wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: Elizabeth McCoy >>Just as a note, the more copies of first edition that sell out, the >>closer I come to getting to do _second_ edition... > >Well, the tax refund should be showing up soon. Do you have an update on >how many copies we have left to go? Not a recent one. I was going to wait a bit longer to bug the Finances Guy about the sales figures... At 10:58 AM -0500 2/9/00, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >At 10:48 AM -0500 2/9/00, Emily Dresner wrote: >>Maybe we can just get Whistlin' here to buy 'em all... :) > [...] >In the land of New England where the Icicles lie. No throwing the One Book in the volcanos, eh? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:25:30 -0500 From: John Karakash Subject: Re: IN> Stone Vessels Walter Milliken wrote: > > At 3:19 -0500 2/4/00, Azrael wrote: > >Could a stone vessel of a bird fly? Especially a hummingbird (their > >super-speedy wingflapping would have to be moreso). IMO, no. Wait, let me rephrase that, IMO, heck no! Look, each Word has certain strengths. Flying is most definitely not one that Stone is known for. Keep in mind that statues of creatures are supposed to _look_ like them, not _function_ like them! =) Use a Song if you want that rock to fly, my friend. - -- +============================================= + John Karakash - geek, writer, cook + Code mangler for EMC CLARiiON + mib2300 +============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:24:32 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning Whistling in the Dark wrote: > Are you a New Englander too, Earl? (Why are we New Englanders, and > not New English? Is it because Downeast folk are stubborn and > contrary?) Who all on the list is of the New England persuasion? > (I'm currently a Maine expatriate living in New Hampshire, to answer > my own question.) I've been in New England for the last 20 years, but I come from Chicago. The weather is just as lousy there. I've often wondered about the rules, if any, that determine adjectival endings for nouns, as in New Englander vs. New English. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:27:44 -0500 From: John Karakash Subject: Re: IN> Cherub of Laurance. Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > But they have to protect that angel! O:> (Now, a Dji..ah, Cherub of > Judgment with the Cherub of the Sword attunement would be really ooky.) > > >But if the Song of Affinity can do that anyway... > > Probably can. I'd have to re-read the description closely... Song of Affinity would be iffy... the photograph was never _part_ of the being photographed. Nor, probably, a creation of the photographed person (though you might be able to track down the photographer with the picture!) ;) - -- +============================================= + John Karakash - geek, writer, cook + Code mangler for EMC CLARiiON + mib2300 +============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:35:38 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> Dictionary of Angels MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: > Is that the Gustav(son?) dictionary? Yes. I have a copy, too. The author is Gustav Davidson. He must have been rather obsessive about angels for a very long time or VERY obsessive about angels for rather a long time. But it sure is amusing. Here are some little-known choirs and bands from the Dictionary (which, by the way, does not mention Blaseraphs or Mercurians): Earl - ---- abalim / arelim / arellim / erelim : "valiant ones," mentioned in 3 Enoch, ~ thrones, see Isaiah 33:7 abdals : "substitutes," 70 righteous spirits known only to God, who sustain the world. Cf. the lamed wufniks acclamations, apparitions, & voices : the three main divisions of the hierarchy according to Robert Fludd aishim / ishim / ischim : "flames" anakim : "giants," syn. or sub. of nephilim animastic / animated / issim : "nobles, lords, princes" anunna : terrestrial spirits, Chaldean ardors : a Miltonic choir chalkydri : 12-winged, rumorerd serpentine cosmagogi : "universe guides," three in number, Chaldean decani : a band of 36 demons of disease entities : a choir "sheathed in gold lame'" -- how stylish! ephemerae : angels that last only one day favashi : Zoroastrian guardian angel, rather like Egyptian ka's. forces : governors of earthly affairs, according to John of Damascus; pos. ~ power or virtues galgallim : "spheres," ~ seraphim gibborim : syn. or sub. of nephilim gonfalons : a Miltonic choir (maybe; the word just means a flag hung from a crosspiece) hafaza : a set of four protecting and recording angels; Moslem hashmallim : also "hamshalim," ~ hayyoth, cherubim heavenly academy : a group of angels that judges humans, cabbalistic hayyoth : (sing. hayya) ~ cherubim; the "Zohar" says there are 36 of them hechaloth : the seven female emanations of God; cf. serphiroth; cabbalistic hypezokos : "flowers of fire," Chaldean innocents : 10th choir in a system of 12 intelligences : us. 10 in number, us. astronomical; neo-Platonic irin & qaddisin : two pairs of twin angels, each equal to the rest of the heavenly host maadim : two angels that stand near the moon and keep the world warm; apocryphal maskim : a band of seven major demons mastinim : accusers, us. on behalf of mortal plaintiffs merkaboth : a set of seven major angels middoth : ~ sephiroth, seven personifications of divine virtues parasim : celestial horsemen, one of the "Song-Uttering Choirs" patriarchs : Biblical patriarchs dubiously rumored to have become angels phoenixes : an order of solar angels; purple; said to be 12-winged like chalkydri; mentioned in Enoch qlippoth : "husks," the infernal counterparts of the sephiroth rectores mundorum : divine regents over the mortal world; Chaldean regents : a Miltonic order scourging angels : Heb. "malache habbala" sedim : sing. sedu, ~ cherubim, cf. "shedu/shedim" sephiroth : sing. sephira, either "spheres" or "books" or "vessels," a set of 10 divine qualities, forming the Cabalisitc Tree of Life, sometimes personified as angelic emanations shaitans : equated with shedim, mazikeen/mazzikim, and given as the masc. of lilin shinanim : a choir associated with the revealing of the Law, with fire, and with the sephira Tiphereth (beauty) Song-Uttering Choirs : a set of choirs that, in 3 Enoch, are reported as having been consumed by fire for being late in singing the Trisagion (!) standards : a Miltonic order (maybe, or maybe just flags of the heavenly host; see gonfallons) tacouin : "beautiful, winged, minor angels" tarshishim : "brilliant ones," ~ virtues, see Daniel 16:6, associated with the sephira Foundation tartaruchi : the angels of Tartarus teletarchae : celestial intelligences or luminaries, Chaldean throne-bearers : a set of four angels; ~ hayyoth?; Moslem; four more will be added on the day of resurrection uthri : sing. uthra, a shoir of ten Mandean solar angels voices : a choir of seven, in one form of gnosticism; one of the three main divisions of the hierarchy according to Fludd Zoroastrian choirs: amensha spentas (the seven high emanations or archangels) izeds / izads / yazatas / yezids (the next tier down, genii of the elements, led by Mithras, numbering 27 0r 28) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:12:35 -0800 From: Steven Feldon Subject: RE: IN> The Guns of Lightning And for those looking for it, there are copies available on http://www.half.com for $7, with free shipping. (I'm nothing but a customer of half.com.) steve - -----Original Message----- From: Whistling in the Dark [mailto:in-sabre@annotations.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 8:09 AM To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Cc: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: Re: IN> The Guns of Lightning At 11:00 AM -0500 2/9/00, MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 2/9/00 3:52:51 PM, in-sabre@annotations.com writes: > >Is that the Gustav(son?) dictionary? I have something called 'Angels from A >to Z,' which is quite good and scholarly, but a friend had the other one, and >it was quite useful. Gustav Davidson, yes. I should have mentioned. ISBN 0-02-907052-X - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:43:54 -0800 From: "Robert Veneman-Hughes" Subject: IN> Kyrios and Dissonance A question for you all... How exacting are Kyriotate dissonance requirements meant to be? If a Kyrio's host gets a papercut and it doesn't get healed, is that dissonance? How does dissonance go in regard to intangibles; for instance, if the Kyrio has his host take days off from work, or whatever, and the host gets flak for it, is that dissonant? What happens if the host sees bad effects a month down the road from the Kyrio's departure? Does the domination get slammed with dissonance then? Full of questions, - -Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:12:25 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Shameless plug Well, in my ongoing attempt to write stuff that I can't sell commercially*, I've actually gone ahead and set up a probably-temporary web page: http://www.familyshoebox.com/family/MoeLane The above link currently has, as its only real content, the first two of three Heretical Archangels from my new saga (tentatively called the Oops cycle). Some of you have already seen Haagenti (AA of Gusto), but Malphas (AA of Individuality) is new. I'd appreciate any useful feedback that you kind souls could provide: I'm kinda fond of Haagenti, but Malphas needs ... something. And I haven't even _started_ on Saminga. I guess you can email it to me personally, unless the comment is sufficiently funny, praising and/or withering to share with everyone else. Thanks a lot! Morgan (F.A.W.) Kyriotate of Destiny __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1526 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.