From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Mar 7 14:35:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA10866 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:35:30 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id OAA29892 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:33:13 -0600 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:33:13 -0600 Message-Id: <200003072033.OAA29892@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1546 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, March 7 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1546 In this digest: Re: IN> Michael Re: IN> Michael Re: IN> Looking for a reference to the Trinity... Re: IN> Michael Re: IN> Looking for a reference to the Trinity... Re: IN> Looking for a reference to the Trinity... IN> The Baby Birth Epidemic Strikes Again! Re: IN> Looking for a reference to the Trinity... Re: IN> Song technicalities... Re: IN> Looking for a reference to the Trinity... Re: IN> Looking for a reference to the Trinity... Re: IN> The Baby Birth Epidemic Strikes Again! Re: IN> Song technicalities... Re: IN> The Baby Birth Epidemic Strikes Again! Re: IN> The Baby Birth Epidemic Strikes Again! Re: IN> Congrats Beth and Walter! Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1541 Re: IN> Oddity. IN> (off topic) miscarriage Re: IN> Kyrio of Eli: Is it Restricted? Re: IN> Cute Re: IN> Looking for a reference to the Trinity... Re: IN> [ADMIN] Don't attach files! (Re: Looking for names?) Re: IN> Cherubim of the Wind/Djinn of Theft Re: IN> Song technicalities... Shedim of Cute (WAS: Re: IN> Cute) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 15:22:08 -0500 From: neelk@cswcasa.com Subject: Re: IN> Michael Jo Hart wrote: > > Michael Martin wrote: > > > > It has different translations for the name "Michael," at least. The INC > > one claims it means "humble," and in fact just directs you to the name > > "Micah." His said it meant "Who is like to God?" I was always told my name > > meant either "hand of God" or "humble before God." > > A literal translation of Michael (Mi Ca-el) is "Who is like God?", > as Earl says. (The implied answer is "No-one else is like the One > God who created the heavens and the earth.") IIRC, the traditional representation of St. Michael in Catholic iconography depicts him with the motto "Quis ut Deus?" on his shield, which, if I haven't mangled the Latin too badly, means "Who is like God?" His name was also supposed to be the war cry of the loyal angels during the Fall of the angels, and was used as a rebuke to Satan's attempt to usurp God's place. In Catholic tradition Michael is the guardian of the souls of the faithful, particularly during the hour of their death, as well the angel that brings the souls of the recently dead to face divine judgment. > Should this go in the FAQ? It's probably more interesting than tedious questions about how many ants it takes to make a swarm, and whether Corporeal Healing brings them back to life, or whether the Kyrio is just hosed with dissonance. - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:26:07 -0700 From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> Michael > during the Fall of the angels, and was used as a rebuke to Satan's > attempt to usurp God's place. I love the word "rebuke." I'm positive it was invented for the sole purpose of describing the telling off of Lucifer. ;-) Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 13:32:04 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Looking for a reference to the Trinity... >A trinity IS a three-part unity. Whoops, my bad. I ment to say something else, but no word came to mind (well the one that was the focus of the thread did, but it was wrong). Basically I meant that they are now three connected beings instead of three beings that form a whole. So instead of God being a mysterious entity that is somehow three beings and one unified being, God is merely 3 beings. Of course this is all heretical, and I'd better get away before Dominic comes by. >What's a "mofo"? Someone explained this already, rather well. Timothy, Angel of Rambling Go here, or else: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 15:43:36 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Michael - --On Mon, Mar 6, 2000 1:26 PM -0700 ben wrote: >> during the Fall of the angels, and was used as a rebuke to Satan's >> attempt to usurp God's place. > > I love the word "rebuke." I'm positive it was invented for the > sole purpose of describing the telling off of Lucifer. ;-) > That makes a great visual... "Up yours, God! ...hey, why are you all waving? Why have we pulled back to a wide shot?" Marc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 00:11:45 -0800 From: "Matthew W." Subject: Re: IN> Looking for a reference to the Trinity... Boys and girls, keep in mind that the Divine and Infernal Interventions are not incredibly important references. In real life, it was a cute little thing that was came up with on the fly by S John Ross in the middle of playtesting the thing. There are no other real or significant things attached to it. $%# Mathus, Demon of Rants #%$ # ArchNemesis of Timothy, Angel of Rambling # # Current Role: Matthew W (MIB #3875) # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:25:26 +1100 From: "Azrael" Subject: Re: IN> Looking for a reference to the Trinity... > > What's a "mofo"? > > Earl > Mofo is correctly written mo' fo'. It is an abbrieviation of two words one vulgar, refering to an icestuous relationship between offspring and mother. Azrael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 01:24:08 -0600 From: "Graveyard Greg" Subject: IN> The Baby Birth Epidemic Strikes Again! EDG is the father of a baby boy! Michael Alexander Anthony, born at 11:39 PM, March 6, 2000. 6 lbs, 12 oz. 21 inches tall. Congrats, EDG! Graveyard Greg __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:25:10 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Martin Subject: Re: IN> Looking for a reference to the Trinity... On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Azrael wrote: > Mofo is correctly written mo' fo'. It is an abbrieviation of two words one > vulgar, refering to an icestuous relationship between offspring and mother. Since it was used to describe the Metatron it is relevant to note that it's also occasionally used as a generic moniker for any sentient being. Cross-reference with terms for excrement in any British-to-American translation dictionary. I remain, Michael Martin "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right!" -- Isaac Asimov, "Foundation" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:57:38 -0600 From: "Kiara S. Legner" Subject: Re: IN> Song technicalities... > > Yes -- but that won't affect the countdown! (The Liber Canticorum is a > bit more clear on this.) It will just be a newer, shinier bomb... Maybe > more likely to function properly, even! Hee hee hee. > Thanks to everyone who gave me a hand with these. For the record, I *have* Liber Canticorum. And even looked this stuff up during the game. And was *still* confused. And have looked up the song of entropy *again*. And I *still* don't think the book is clear - so all the advice has helped. Fortunately, I didn't have to make this particular ruling - my players decided to do something else. While I take full responsibility in my games for whatever rulings I make, I'm running a mostly canon universe. And I'm trying to limit the deviations from canon to intentional ones, not unclear-rules-in-the-books ones. Kiara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 06:14:23 -0600 From: "Kiara S. Legner" Subject: Re: IN> Looking for a reference to the Trinity... > Boys and girls, keep in mind that the Divine and Infernal Interventions > are not incredibly important references. In real life, it was a cute > little thing that was came up with on the fly by S John Ross in the > middle of playtesting the thing. > > There are no other real or significant things attached to it. They may not have been *intended* as important references, but they certainly can affect your game in an incredibly important way - and they are a *great* touch to remind players that they aren't just a bunch of spandex-clad aliens-in-hiding on earth. Besides. I have a player who rolls them up enough that I'm considering filching his dice. Kiara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 08:25:13 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Looking for a reference to the Trinity... - --On Tue, Mar 7, 2000 6:14 AM -0600 "Kiara S. Legner" wrote: > > They may not have been *intended* as important references, but they > certainly can affect your game in an incredibly important way - and > they are a *great* touch to remind players that they aren't just a > bunch of spandex-clad aliens-in-hiding on earth. > Do you find it hard to keep them *out* of that mindset? > Besides. I have a player who rolls them up enough that I'm > considering filching his dice. > > > > Kiara > You could always roll for him. "Dramatic appropriateness" and all then becomes at your pleasure (or disposal, depending on your mood that night...) Marc. Just Marc. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 05:35:18 PST From: "Erich Arendall" Subject: Re: IN> The Baby Birth Epidemic Strikes Again! >EDG is the father of a baby boy! Michael Alexander Anthony, born at 11:39 >PM, March 6, 2000. 6 lbs, 12 oz. 21 inches tall. > >Congrats, EDG! > >Graveyard Greg My happy thoughts go out to you as well! Congrats! - -Erich S. Arendall "Shadow Sprite" Impudite of Critical Failures at the Worst Possible Time for Players and the Best Time for GMs, servitor of Kronos - ------------------------- Touched by an Impudite http://www.impudite.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 08:22:59 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Song technicalities... "Kiara S. Legner" wrote: > Thanks to everyone who gave me a hand with these. For the record, I *have*> Liber Canticorum. And even looked this stuff up during the game. And was> *still* confused. Sorry to hear that. I know the rule about spending Essence for a Song *or* for the performance TN is explicitly described in the performance section. The section on Controlling and Cancelling Songs also says the performer may choose a lesser effect at the time of performance. And the Song of Entropy gives an example of the difference between aging and growing, but I used a tree example, not a bomb. Only had room for so many examples. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 09:27:06 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> The Baby Birth Epidemic Strikes Again! > EDG is the father of a baby boy! Michael Alexander Anthony, born at 11:39 > PM, March 6, 2000. 6 lbs, 12 oz. 21 inches tall. > > Congrats, EDG! > > Graveyard Greg > Oh no! He's BREEDING! CALAMITY! Congrats to EDG on his successful ability to add to the gene pool. :) - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 13:41:57 -0500 From: John Karakash Subject: Re: IN> The Baby Birth Epidemic Strikes Again! Graveyard Greg wrote: > > EDG is the father of a baby boy! Michael Alexander Anthony, born at 11:39 > PM, March 6, 2000. 6 lbs, 12 oz. 21 inches tall. Congrats on the little one! - -- +============================================= + John Karakash - geek, writer, cook + Code mangler for EMC CLARiiON + mib2300 +============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:09:48 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Congrats Beth and Walter! At 2:28 PM -0800 3/1/00, David Barr wrote: >just forwarded this message [...] And suddenly, the conspiracy becomes >clear ("awww, shes so cute! I have to buy this game!!". O:> She's such a wonderful girl. >Only a couple weeks old, and already Iochan is using her attuenments. >She is good. She is _Very_ good. She is. She really is. I gotta get some of the Cute pictures scanned so that people can see (and fall under her spell -- who says that an Impudite can't use its resonance through recorded media...?). >? at what point do imps/relievers actually get band/choir >attunements? when they fledge? I'd generally say when they pledge themselves to a Superior -- with the assumption that any demonling/reliever who _did_ get enough Forces to fledge would already be in service to someone. (It's also debatable (read: GM choice) whether a demonling/reliever _can_ get enough Forces without a Superior's assistance. I can see both plot hooks _and_ GM headaches if "unaffiliated" angels and demons could be kicking around Earth... (Having fledged while familiars, for instance...)) >And once they have done that, there is >no going back, right? No way to say, "oh, wait, I want to a balseraph >instead of an impudite". Right. (Unless the GM allows it, of course, but that gets into a whole 'nuther arguement.) >who got boot stomped when I told one of the godmothers that we are >considering Eris as a name for a girl, and therafter i suggested that >the name Branwyn was perhaps more appropriate. I think Eris is a _fine_ name, myself... Heck, it would have done well with Io-chan, what with her turning our lives upside down unexpectedly... - --Beth, catching up as she can, while running back and forth to the hospital to visit her little preemie, the Impudite Princess of Cute, aka Iolanthe Lynn Cayce McCoy, aka Io-chan, aka the little reliever. (Don't believe it -- she's already Charming the nursing staff!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:09:58 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1541 At 5:54 PM -0800 3/1/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >>Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:12:58 -0500 >>From: Elizabeth McCoy >>She's adorable. Sometime, I must writeup the Impudite >>Princess ofCute, though... [...] >For some reason, every time I think of Attunements the >words "Shojo Mallet" (from GURPS Mecha) pop into my >head. Or the Numinous Corpuses (Corpi?) "Big Eyes" or >"Big Head" ... O:> Well, she's a trifle young for those -- at the moment, she mostly uses Big Shimmery Eyes... ( O8>) >... Yes, I watched too much anime when younger. Why stop now? O;> - --Beth, catching up as she can, while running back and forth to the hospital to visit her little preemie, the Impudite Princess of Cute, aka Iolanthe Lynn Cayce McCoy, aka Io-chan, aka the little reliever. (Don't believe it -- she's already Charming the nursing staff!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:09:31 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Oddity. At 2:31 PM -0500 3/4/00, John Karakash wrote: >BillionSix@aol.com wrote: >> [...] in order for a Celestial to >> have a Role as a bartender, and be firmly a part of the Symphony (i.e. a >> level 6 Role) he must first be a master martial artist? Makes you wonder why >> places bother to hire bouncers. > > I just submitted this for a Murphy (with your >name attached). Good show! Very good. Very very good. Something for me to think about... - --Beth, catching up as she can, while running back and forth to the hospital to visit her little preemie, the Impudite Princess of Cute, aka Iolanthe Lynn Cayce McCoy, aka Io-chan, aka the little reliever. (Don't believe it -- she's already Charming the nursing staff!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:21:46 -0800 (PST) From: David Barr Subject: IN> (off topic) miscarriage Not much to add to that; for reasons that are not adequately explained (the phrase that I understood was "Blighted Ovum")(the details on request) we are not able to being this on to term. the ultrasound at 11 weeks showede no fetus. My wife is okay, I am okay. We will try again, when we are ready (yeah, right) and when the time comes, we will be trying. An angel of Unexpeced Pregnancies....how about a demon of Miscarriages? ****. ===== reply to my home address -> daiv@cruzio.com time to change sig files i do not have a new one make something up then - -Daiv __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:57:49 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Kyrio of Eli: Is it Restricted? At 11:40 PM -0500 3/4/00, Steven E. Ehrbar wrote: >From: Robert Veneman-Hughes >> Is the Kyrio of Eli attunment (using CelForm for free) restricted? > >Not accoring to the playtest G:IN text that's still hanging around... Then probably not, unless someone points out Serious Problems... Of course, the GM should always remember that he or she is capable of saying, "No, you can't have that." O:> >> If its not, can it be used on vessels? > >Good question; it specifically says "hosts", so I'd tend to say no (but I >don't make Canon). I would certainly allow someone who had the attunement >use it on host taken with the Song of Posession, however. Definitely hosts. I'd probably toy with allowing it to be used by vessels unless I (or someone else) found a way to abuse it horribly. IIRC, CelForm _does_ cause disturbance equal to the check digit when it wears off, so it will always have _that_ balancing factor. I'm not sure if we ever decided that they had a limited amount of "virtual Essence" to make changes with or not... (I do remember one wandering around as the Giant Rat of Sumatra once, but I think that was in the middle of when things were getting hot and I wasn't sweating the rules.) - --Beth, catching up as she can, while running back and forth to the hospital to visit her little preemie, the Impudite Princess of Cute, aka Iolanthe Lynn Cayce McCoy, aka Io-chan, aka the little reliever. (Don't believe it -- she's already Charming the nursing staff!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:10:56 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Cute At 12:43 PM -0600 3/5/00, James Bearse wrote: >BTW, from my own experiences with a Calabite servitor of Cute (my Bichon >Frese), I can provide you with a rite for Cute: > > - Get out of trouble by looking adorable (+1 Essence) Actually, that's the Balseraph Attunement, basically. They can use their Resonance to say, "I am Cute!" and get a reaction bonus equal to the check digit of their successful roll... Impudites of Cute can suck Essence from people without charming them, if they have already gotten a good reaction -- say, from being utterly adorable. Lilim of Cute satisfy the Need for Cuteness. Adorable all, they need only make a Will roll to impose a micro-Geas upon their target: a trivial task of no more than a few minutes. (The victim gets the usual Will roll to resist, at no penalty, but the Lilim gets no backlash.) Non-cute Lilim can't use it. I haven't firmed up the rest, except that Shedim of Cute are, well, _cute_. Even celestially. They're all big anime eyes and cute little tentacles and no slime (except they do spit up a lot; cutely). And they corrupt people by addicting them to cuteness... Cute, so far, has but one Rite: Have someone comment how cute (or adorable or other similiar superlative) one is. This is normally granted at least twice (for 2 uses per day), but favored minions get more. O:> - --Beth, catching up as she can, while running back and forth to the hospital to visit her little preemie, the Impudite Princess of Cute, aka Iolanthe Lynn Cayce McCoy, aka Io-chan, aka the little reliever. (Don't believe it -- she's already Charming the nursing staff!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:05:24 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Looking for a reference to the Trinity... At 3:07 AM -0800 3/5/00, Robert Veneman-Hughes wrote: >I remember reading (somewhere) that the Trinity reference in regards to >111s/Divine Interventions was deliberate, along with an enigmatic statement >about the Trinity's significance. p. 40, first non-italic paragraph of the first column. Anything else ... I don't recall anything else. Maybe a Pyramid article? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:54:31 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> [ADMIN] Don't attach files! (Re: Looking for names?) At 4:23 PM -0800 3/4/00, Michael Martin wrote: >On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> And Earl, you silly person, those look like names scavanged from the >> INC biblenames file! You don't need to post them to the list -- you just >> need to direct people to.... >> http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/biblenames.txt ! > >I don't think it was scavenged. But there's only so many names, right? >Should have similar translations. Good point. Okay, they looked like they'd been exerpted at first glance. O;> And they weren't long, so I won't think about it much when I could be thinking of Io-chan... - --Beth, catching up as she can, while running back and forth to the hospital to visit her little preemie, the Impudite Princess of Cute, aka Iolanthe Lynn Cayce McCoy, aka Io-chan, aka the little reliever. (Don't believe it -- she's already Charming the nursing staff!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:10:52 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Cherubim of the Wind/Djinn of Theft At 2:24 PM +1100 3/6/00, Leath Sheales wrote: >Dear List, > >Time for another opinion, something that doesn't seem to be covered in the >FAQ. > >Is the Cherub of the Wind/Djinn of Theft attunement effctive against >celestials? I thought that was in the APG/IPG... No, it's only humans. > Can you force an enemy to become enthralled with you and act >like a high-level servant simply by attuning yourself to them? A human one, yes. Mind, they may then work to convert you to their side, much as Ethereal Attraction doesn't stop the Malakite from trying to escort his new Vapulan Impudite Buddy to a Tether and give him the Redemption Motivational Lecture. (There was a reason, in one game, why the NPC Impudite was tending to giggle in a rather high-pitched tone after he'd snared the Windy Virtue... Surrounded by hostile angels, and one's "buddy" Malakite... Urk.) - --Beth, catching up as she can, while running back and forth to the hospital to visit her little preemie, the Impudite Princess of Cute, aka Iolanthe Lynn Cayce McCoy, aka Io-chan, aka the little reliever. (Don't believe it -- she's already Charming the nursing staff!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:18:14 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Song technicalities... At 8:57 PM -0600 3/6/00, Kiara S. Legner wrote: >> >> Yes -- but that won't affect the countdown! (The Liber Canticorum is a >> bit more clear on this.) It will just be a newer, shinier bomb... Maybe >> more likely to function properly, even! Hee hee hee. > >Thanks to everyone who gave me a hand with these. For the record, I *have* >Liber Canticorum. And even looked this stuff up during the game. And was >*still* confused. O:< Hm. Maybe there would be room, in a second edition/printing, to sneak in "'Youthening' a bomb won't affect the countdown..." Must file that in my little memory... >Fortunately, I didn't have to make this particular ruling - my players >decided to do something else. Whew. O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:35:01 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Shedim of Cute (WAS: Re: IN> Cute) From: "Elizabeth McCoy" > > I haven't firmed up the rest, except that Shedim of Cute are, well, > _cute_. Even celestially. They're all big anime eyes and cute little > tentacles and no slime (except they do spit up a lot; cutely). And they > corrupt people by addicting them to cuteness... I would suggest that Shedim of Cute corrupt people by causing them to spend so much money on cute things that they wind up too poor to cover things like rent and food. The next time you see somebody dropping hundreds of dollars on Poke'mon merchandise, *try* not to think that it's one of Io-chan's shedim at work. ;;;) ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1546 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.