From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Apr 2 07:26:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA14651 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 07:26:07 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id HAA30443 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 07:23:52 -0500 Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 07:23:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200004021223.HAA30443@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1570 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, April 2 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1570 In this digest: Re: IN> Newbie! IN> Format Re: IN> Fwd: Hierarchy of Hell IN> Who should he serve IN> IN/UA> The King's Demon IN> I love Salon IN> Yet another question! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:48:44 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Newbie! Also check out www.sjgames.com/in-nomine -- there are links to a FAQ there, among other fun stuff... At 9:48 PM +0100 3/31/00, Becky wrote: >I'd just assume they were all created at the beginning of time by God, >but they talk about older angels and newer ones...is God still creating >some? Or are they born like any other creature? p. 108, right under the box. O:> Also APG. (See below...) >what if one parent is divine and one diabolical? Depends on the Superior doing the joining, IIRC. Check APG or IPG. (Angelic/Infernal Player's Guides) At 10:37 PM +0100 3/31/00, Becky wrote: >So it *is* possible to be half angel half mortal? Uh...how exactly does >that work? Just like a soldier? You might have a celestial parent, but IIRC, you're either one or the other. Isn't the default a mortal who's likely to get 6 Forces and Symphonic Awareness? I'd look it up, but I have a baby in my lap, and book-flipping the required amount would be hard to manage, sorry. (I'm sure that _at one point_ there was a potential for a celestial offspring, but I don't recall if that actually made it into canon. Probably not, if no one else is mentioning it. O:> Still, it could be an interesting result of an Invervention on the Song of Fruition...!) - --Beth, catching up as she can, while taking care of her little preemie, the Impudite Princess of Cute, aka Iolanthe, aka Io-chan, aka the little reliever. (Kind of hard to type with her on my lap!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:35:07 -0600 From: Jonathan B Lotzer Subject: IN> Format I know that there is both a regular and a digest version of this list, and was wondering about the differences. There are several threads that have passed through lately that haven't interested me in the least. On the other hand, there are other threads that I watch like a hawk. Does the digest cover that better? Also, something that I've been seeing alot of lately that might work well on here and in the other SJ discussion groups. I've seen several website that you can hit buttons and it'll add their newsgroup server to your (in my case) Netscape list. Like I said, I have no clue how to program this. However, I'm sure that there are several competent web designers that might be able to do that on this list. Heck, is there even an interest in that or am I the only one? Jonathan B Lotzer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 06:26:20 EST From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Hierarchy of Hell In a message dated 03/28/2000 9:40:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, emccoy@nh.ultranet.com forwarded: > >From: Mark Shirley > >Subject: Hierarchy of Hell > > > >(I hope this is the right address -- this is my first post despite 3 years > >of lurking. Anyone know of an In Nomine game running in the Newcastle (UK) > >area? I really would like to play...) > > > >Hi all, > > > >Just a quick question regarding the Hierarchy/Lowerarchy of Hell. I've been > >trying to find some names to complete a list I started. I've read in a > >number of (non-IN) sources about the following groups of demons, and > >wondered if anyone on this list could fill in the others (I haven't got > >access to the original sources). > > > >According to Abra-Melin the Mage (real world souce, as in "the Secret Magic > >of..."), there are 4 sub-princes of Hell (Satan, Lucifer, Leviathan and > >Beliar, IIRC) and 8 arch demons. Who are the latter? I've got the name of > >three (of which Magot and I think Beelzebub are included, but I'm not sure). > > > > >There is also reference to Adramelech, king of fire, who sits on the 8th > >throne of Hell (and the source always mentions that there are 10 such > >thrones). Anyone know who the other 9 are? > > > >I'm looking for some names to confuse PCs with when they come across human > >perceptions of demonic affairs. > > > >Mark > > It took me a while, but there's this great old resource called _Fantasy_Wargaming_ by Bruce Galloway, et. al., published by Stein and Day in 1982 (UK publishers Patrick Stepens, Ltd 1981) they raided a historical demonology for this stuff, as best I can tell. There are even stats in the original but the rough infernal heirarchy is: Lucifer, Lord of Hell Beelzebub, Lord of the Flies, Ruler of the Undead Astaroth, Mistress of Emotions, Princess of Hell Belial, Commander of the Armies of Hell, Prince of Hell Lucifuge Rofocale, Revealer of Treasures, Prince of Hell Satanachia, Archdemoness Agliarept, Archdemon Fleurty Sargatas Nebiros Leviathan Asmodeus Abbaddon Clauneck Musisin Bechard Frimost And that ends the list of archdemons. The list continues with major demons and so on down to imps. (Familiar names: Baal is at Demon, as are Valefor and Beleth. Furfur is a minor demon, controlling land warfare(!).) There are lists of which demon has what area of control and interest. Just these names are probably enough to confuse your players.... Mark (yes, a different one!) > > > > > >In off the moors, down through the mist-lands, > > God-cursed Grendel came greedily loping; > >The bane of the race of men roamed forth, > > hunting for a prey in the high hall of Hrothgar > > Beowulf > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 13:27:38 +0100 From: Dave Taylor Subject: IN> Who should he serve I'm beginning to lean towards kobal, since i'm giving him a role as a travelling spokesman on automotive safety. And yes, I didn't list Vappy because I specifically want a Calabite. (I'm giving him the special ability that any deaths he causes that appear to be caused by mechanical failure cause no disturbance) Oh, and if he's a Calabite of Dark Humor, theres that Calabite rite which he may find handy. - -- Long is the way, and hard, that out of Hell leads up to light - John Milton - Paradise Lost ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:31:23 +0100 From: "Liam Astley" Subject: IN> IN/UA> The King's Demon i was hoping that the fine folks on both these lists might be able to help me out, even though it's for something not entirely related to either game... i'm sure i remember reading somewhere in a "world of the occult"-type book a story about one of the kings of england (henry the 8th, maybe) having a bound demon called "teragon" (or something like that) that did his bidding, thanks to it being caught in a king solomon-style ring. the thing is, i recently tried looking this up again in the mound of paranormal books i've got and couldn't find it anywhere. so does anyone else know anything about this teragon, or did my subconscious just make it up? enquiring minds must know (well, my mind specifically) in case you're wondering, it's actually for an LRP game i'm planning to run soon, i wanted to have a cabal of demon-worshipping types running the Western World and thought the teragon sounded cool (especially as it sound like it might be in the basement below the pentagon) liam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 10:30:19 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: IN> I love Salon Sometimes, it just makes my day. Brilliant Careers: Satan In a world filled with evil great and small, his body of work stands as a testament to what an archfiend can do when he really puts his mind to it. http://www.salon.com/special/aprilone/2000/bc_satan/index.html Emily K. Dresner -- Writer, Guitarist, Hacker, Freak Pyramid Columnist, "Women in Gaming" -- http://www.sjgames.com/pyramid/ Freelancer, In Nomine -- http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/ Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; -"The Second Coming" Yeats ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:23:49 +0100 From: Becky Subject: IN> Yet another question! Ah, doncha just love it when you've just started a game...you just have so many questions :p Well...this one's about the Kyriotate of Wind attunement. THe question being, can anyone else buy it or does it work with their resonance? Basically, my character is an Ofanim of Wind and I want to buy it for her. But I'm not sure if it comes under the working with the kyriotates resonance thing. The Cherubim of Wind seems to pretty obviously work with their resonance, even though it doesn't specifically say anything about it in the description. But I'm not sure if it's like that for the kyriotate attunement. I mean...the ability to exist without a vessel seems to go with their resonance, but the Ofanim of Flowers and Wind seem to be letting the Ofanim discard their vessels and travel without them in other forms as well.... AAARGH! Please help me again! Thanks, Becca. Walter Milliken wrote: > > At 15:48 -0500 3/31/00, Becky wrote: > >I have some ideas for a chronicle, but I'd like to know [i'm sorry, I > >know this is probably a question you get a lot] where new angels come > >from. > > Three places, basically: > > 1) Created by God (these are all *really* old angels, possibly only the > first few) > 2) Created by a Superior (as a 9+ -Force being, from scratch) > 3) "Fledged" from a reliever; relievers are also normally created by > Superiors, though canon isn't clear on whether they come from other > places as well. (There's a suggestion that demonlings are spontanteously > generated in Hell, though -- not much detail, probably because no one > wants to look into the matter very much....) > > I think there's also a Song in the Liber Canticorum that can do it for > lesser angels, but it's no longer in use (unless it's what Superiors use). > > >If so...how does that work? I mean...if your mom was a big ball of > >flame and your dad was a giant cuddly lion? > > A Superior then takes a few Forces from each, plus maybe some of his own, > plus maybe some "loose" Forces, glues then together, and Presto! a new > angel (or reliever, if less than 9 Forces). > > >what if one parent is divine and one diabolical? > > Not very common, though it can happen. The result is normally an angel, > as I recall. > > >I'd also like any info you guys have on the Grigori and their children? > > If you've got playtest access via a Pyramid, I think the GURPS In Nomine > stuff is still there, and you can look at it. There's not much beyond > what's in the main book except basic resonance and dissonance stuff, though. > I recently summarized it in a message to this list, which should be in the > list archives. Search for "GURPS IN" and/or "Grigori" > > One note: Children of the Grigori are fully human, though the main book > implies otherwise in one or two places. > > ---Walter ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1570 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.