From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Apr 9 17:50:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA09662 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:50:56 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id RAA10683 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:49:08 -0500 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:49:08 -0500 Message-Id: <200004092249.RAA10683@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1578 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, April 9 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1578 In this digest: IN> Question about Lillim? Re: IN> Question about Lillim? RE: IN> IN: Atomic bombs and Forces Re: IN> Question about Lillim? Re: IN> Angel of the Dawn (part 2) RE: IN> Angel of the Dawn (part 2) Re: IN> Question about Lillim? Re: IN> Question about Lillim? Re: IN> Question about Lillim? Re: IN> [Plot Seed] Dr. Scapegoat, or how I learned to love the tetherbomb Re: IN> Question about Lillim? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:18:12 -0400 From: "A.Hamilton" Subject: IN> Question about Lillim? List, Okay, maybe this is in a book I don't have like the IPG (Currently I only have the core rule book), so if it is, pardon the question. I also checked the FAQ and the Errata and didn't see it there. If I missed it, please point it out. Here's the Q: Canonialy speaking, can a Lilim be male? Yes, I realize that like most celestials, they can choose any sort of vessel they like. But can a Lilim think of itself as a him? A 'Son of Lilith' so to speak. Or is this simply something that doesn't happen. They are all women, though a few use male vessels on occasion. If they can, its obviously rare, and a bit outside the norm. So what sort of issues would a Son of Lilith raise? As for my reason for asking, I was glancing through the core rule book, getting started on some campaign ideas when I re-read the description for the Lilim. I realized that if I ever get a chance to just play a character in a campaign or adventure, instead of having to run it, I'd really enjoy playing a Lilim. The problem is, other than when I'm running female NPC's as a GM, I'm horrible at portraying women. It's not that my characters are some kind of adolescent wet-dream or whatever. I just find my portrayals of female characters to be somewhat flat. Not quite true to life. So my actualy PC's tend to be all male. So, what do you folks think? Any comments would be appreciated. Whether it be on the actualy question or my personal little 'problem' of not being able to run a Female PC. A.Hamilton: ahamilton@tntie.com Personal Page: http://www.tntie.com/ahamilton/index.html "The soothing light at the end of your tunnel..." Metallica. 'No Leaf Cover' S&M ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 16:59:16 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Question about Lillim? "A.Hamilton" wrote: > Canonialy speaking, can a Lilim be male? Yes. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:05:02 +1000 From: "Shane and family" Subject: RE: IN> IN: Atomic bombs and Forces On 7 Apr 2000, at 21:16, Robert Veneman-Hughes wrote: > Yeah, this raises some bigger questions. So you stop a nuke with > CorpShields... What happens to the radiation and the material? I mean, > anyone coming near that building is going to get a hefty dose of radiation > poisoning... In addition, that radioactive material may seep into the > water supply, bringing with it its own fun results... In addition, what > sort of emanations does CorpShields stop? Would the USGS register > (seismologically) a nuclear blast going off there because of vibrations? I > understand this starts to get into the taboo area of miracle physics, but > if the blast doesn't register, there's a good way to cause a lot of > long-lasting damage to a major population source. Hrm. Bomb goes off. Bomb, Soldier, Demon, and a small quantity of air and earth, are all nigh-instantaneously converted to a radioactive plasma of many millions of degrees temperature. This is constrained by a spherical Shield of maybe twelve feet in diameter that acts as a miraculously efficient energy absorber and physical obstacle. (thus eliminating the initial radiation spike, electromagnetic pulse, thermal flash and blast wave, plus keeping the brightness bearable to look at!). However, calculating the temperature, behaviour and destructive potential of the radioactive plasma ball exposed when the Shield ends, as well as describing at least one effective countermeasure, is obviously now a question on the Celestial Tactical Nuclear Combat exam. ;) Shane. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 03:08:20 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Question about Lillim? In a message dated 4/8/00 4:17:25 PM Central Daylight Time, ahamilton@tntie.com writes: << So, what do you folks think? Any comments would be appreciated. Whether it be on the actualy question or my personal little 'problem' of not being able to run a Female PC. >> Lilim are not really male or female, as I am sure you know. I have a friend who plays a Lilim (Bright) and it uses a male vessel. If he ever meets Lilith, I will have Lilith call him Daughter in conversation, just to push his buttons a little. If you want to get a little weird, but your Lilim two vessels, one male and one female. Reverend Brian A. Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:58:02 +1000 From: "Azrael" Subject: Re: IN> Angel of the Dawn (part 2) >First, he _doesn't hurry_. He's always moving, yes, but *slowly*. He >strolls, he saunters, he puts his hands in his pockets and he smells the >roses. >Nobody's quite sure what to make of this. An ordinary Ofanite would be >exploding with Dissonance if he lived like that, but Eos seems to be just >fine. Ofanites dont have to hurry do they? They just like to keep moving, and as fast as they can... or am I mistaken? I thought that the terminally rushing Ofanite was like the Malakite Without A Sense of Humour, The Searph With a Stick Inserted Into Its Sphinter or The Never Serious Always Party Merc. All are the stereotypical version of their choirs, but not the only manner in which they can behave. Azrael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 04:23:23 -0700 From: "Robert Veneman-Hughes" Subject: RE: IN> Angel of the Dawn (part 2) > Ofanites dont have to hurry do they? > They just like to keep moving, and as fast as they can... or > am I mistaken? Well, always moving as fast as one can certainly *seems* like hurrying, 'least to those of us whose pulse doesn't sound like a machine-gun... - -Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:01:29 +0100 From: Omentide Subject: Re: IN> Question about Lillim? >Canonialy speaking, can a Lilim be male? I've seen some excellent male Lilim. The Marquis de Carabas (from Neil Gaiman's Neverwhere) is, to me at any rate, the perfect male Lilim. The Marquis is perfectly Lilim and perfectly male. Ok, canonically it's 'just a vessel', but playing a celestial in 'just a vessel' is a great deal harder than playing cross-gender. If nothing else, the gender of the vessel influences the way in which others react to the character. I guess it depends a lot on what an individual finds difficult about playing cross-gender. Lilim trade favours. Some people see that as essentially feminine. Despite Lilith's own Word, it makes them dependent on others. Some would see that as essentially feminine. They can't be macho. Not even the male ones. As to the more general question of playing cross-gender, I'm replying off list. Hilary hilary.omentide@virgin.net http://freespace.virgin.net/omentide.omentide/index ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:26:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Bartley Subject: Re: IN> Question about Lillim? On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, Omentide wrote: > Ok, canonically it's 'just a vessel', but playing a celestial in 'just a > vessel' is a great deal harder than playing cross-gender. If nothing else, > the gender of the vessel influences the way in which others react to the > character. A Lilim's Celestial Form looks like the Lilim's preferred Vessel but with green skin and horns. Therefore, for Lilim the Vessel's gender controls his or her Celestial Form's gender. This brings up the interesting question of 'what gender are newly created Lilim'? Does Lilith create them with a Vessel, with or without stripping away the Vessel when she's done? Is there a default Celestial Form by which Lilim without Vessels can be recognized? Elizabeth Bartley e-bartley@pobox.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:37:45 -0400 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: IN> Question about Lillim? >On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, Omentide wrote: >This brings up the interesting question of 'what gender are newly created >Lilim'? Hermaphroditic? :) Jason, and what if they returned to that state upon going Bright? ooh. * * * * * Jason Schneiderman jadasc@ma.ultranet.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 15:58:00 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> [Plot Seed] Dr. Scapegoat, or how I learned to love the tetherbomb Just wanted to say that I thought this was a fun little scenario. I don't like the idea of tetherbombs, at all -- potentially VERY unbalancing -- but otherwise, this was clever. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:51:32 -0400 From: "A.Hamilton" Subject: Re: IN> Question about Lillim? >>Canonialy speaking, can a Lilim be male? > >I've seen some excellent male Lilim. The Marquis de Carabas (from Neil >Gaiman's Neverwhere) is, to me at any rate, the perfect male Lilim. The >Marquis is perfectly Lilim and perfectly male. Probably one of the few Gaiman works I haven't read. Yet another reason to pick it up. >Ok, canonically it's 'just a vessel', but playing a celestial in 'just a >vessel' is a great deal harder than playing cross-gender. If nothing else, >the gender of the vessel influences the way in which others react to the >character. Well, except for Lilim. Their celestial form is their vessel with green skin and horns. At least according to the book. I think. >I guess it depends a lot on what an individual finds difficult about >playing cross-gender. Lilim trade favours. Some people see that as >essentially feminine. Despite Lilith's own Word, it makes them dependent >on others. Some would see that as essentially feminine. They can't be >macho. Not even the male ones. This is exactly what I found interesting. The struggle to free oneself of obligations. Despite the almost impossible odds of doing so. I personaly don't think that's a gender specific issue. Honestly, isn't that something we all have to deal with as we grow? Trying to be independant, realizing it's not really possible, and finaly picking which dependancies we will have, instead of letting them be thrust upon us? >Hilary A.Hamilton ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1578 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.