From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Apr 15 10:34:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA22176 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:34:28 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id KAA16679 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:31:41 -0500 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:31:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200004151531.KAA16679@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1583 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, April 15 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1583 In this digest: Re: IN> Plot Seed: Ripped from the headlines. . . IN> Re: Orson Scott Card Re: IN> Re: Orson Scott Card Re: IN> IN: Atomic bombs and Forces Re: IN> Font Re: IN> A vignette... Re: IN> Resupplying in Heaven. Re: IN> Fwd: Malakim, dissonance and oaths IN> Christian writers applicable to IN Re: IN> Christian writers applicable to IN Re: IN> Font Re: IN> Christian writers applicable to IN Re: IN> Christian writers applicable to IN Re: IN> Christian writers applicable to IN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:00:06 -0400 From: Jaggypoo Subject: Re: IN> Plot Seed: Ripped from the headlines. . . Really, I first thought of Kobal when I saw that. The pubic is so worked up over school violence their suspending FIRST GRADERS for mean stick figure drawings. I just found the whole thing immensely funny. Besides, I'd say the teachers and staff have more demonic influence then the kids! Jaggy, ethereal of insanity "Tafka J." wrote: > (Summerized) from the Associated Press: > "Three first-grade students are arrested in Lake Station, Indiana (USA), > after plotting to murder a classmate of theirs. Going so far as to draw a > crude map to where the deed was to take place, and thoughts of shooting, > dismemberment or hanging the victim in their minds. . ." > > If this story wasn't ripped from an actual headline, you'd swear it was > the efforts of a Shedite of Malphas (or Baal). This particular Shedite has > gotten three seven year old _girls_ so worked up, that they'd go so far as > form a Hate-Club and plot another girl's death. > > (Either that, or maybe the Humans really _are_ this sick. . . And the > Demons will profit from it somehow.) > > Be seeing you, > > - Tafka J. > = tafkaj@thrifty.net > # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:29:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Diane J Donaldson Subject: IN> Re: Orson Scott Card On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Eric Burns wrote: > Yes and no, really. Card is a very active Mormon, but has gone on > record that he's not interested in writing Christian Fantasy, Mormon > Fantasy, or Christan/Mormon Science Fiction. He does admit his > beliefs have an influence on his writing, though. So it's kind of a > tossup -- not the allegorical works that Narnian or Lewis's Space > Trilogy are, or the direct stuff Stasheff does. > > - -- > Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a > in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of > http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. > http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo > Except that he DOES have a series based on the Book of Mormon -- The Memory of Earth series. Seems like Mormon sci-fi to me... djd ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:00:08 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Re: Orson Scott Card At 11:29 AM -0400 4/14/00, Diane J Donaldson wrote: >On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Eric Burns wrote: > >Except that he DOES have a series based on the Book of Mormon -- The >Memory of Earth series. Seems like Mormon sci-fi to me... > > djd I was going by his essays, which claimed he wasn't interested. Said essay may have predated "Memory of Earth," which I haven't read so I don't know one way or the other. Though it sounds interesting enough to give it a shot... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:03:01 -0700 From: Sean McCarthy Subject: Re: IN> IN: Atomic bombs and Forces Our spies report that on 10:40 AM 4/14/00 -0400, Whistling in the Dark said: >I'm not sure I follow. I can more accept that the Mythopoetic (or, even deeper, Deconstructionist uses of >Sign/Significator/Significated) go from Literary Criticism to the foundational philosophys of Heaven, Earth >and Symphony in In Nomine than the Word-structure makes the lines of literal and allegorical blurred. Okay, that's it, time to leave the party... Sean (lame joke, but joke nonetheless) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 18:59:57 +0100 From: "Liam Astley" Subject: Re: IN> Font From: Erich S. Arendall > Okay, it's time to spruce up the graphics around the site once more (as I've > already converted it to non-frames - just for Beth!). Anybody know where I > can pick up a TrueType Font (near-)identical to the official In Nomine font? > Morpheus looks good, but it's just not close enough for me. i've got one called "Magna Veritas" which is, erm, very similar to the IN font. i downloaded it off the Uncle Bear site, but he's dumped his fonts pages at the moment. let me know if you'd like me to send it to you liam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:32:41 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> A vignette... At 11:21 PM -0400 4/13/00, Walter Milliken wrote: >I think that we've settled on it in our campaign that the "Lilim Force" >that must come from Lilith personally is an Ethereal Force. I don't think >this will ever be canon, though [...] Alas (or not), that slipped in via the Lilith writeup in FotM. (Which I wrote before I was LE, so there.) It got used in the FotM/FT adventure as a plot point, though. - --Beth, catching up as she can, while A: taking care of her little preemie, the Impudite Princess of Cute, aka Iolanthe, B: running back & forth between the condo and the new house, but fortunately not (apparently) C: coming down with a flu probably. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:32:46 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Resupplying in Heaven. At 5:18 PM -0600 4/13/00, ben wrote: >They got there and realized they would need [...] > stuff once they hit Antarctica through the Tether. >They also needed essence. > >In Heaven, how can they accomplish these goals? Goal A: corporeal equipment -- In my model of things, which may or may not become canon (and I'm not really fanatically attached to it, either, though it seems logical right now), Superiors (and sometimes lesser Servitors with the right Songs/attunements/Distinctions/whatever) can bind a corporeal item (not necessarily an artifact) to some sort of celestial artifact For instance, for my INIOU game, I had the PCs given "snow globes" in Heaven that contained their Earthly equipment. The globes were "one use only" -- after they descended, no more globe. Such things are probably only available via The Proper Channels of one's Superior -- whatever those may be. (I.e., in the Halls of Progress, a quick email to the Resupply Station. In the Halls of Creation, wander around asking if anybody's got any Stuff to lend.) Goal B: Essence -- They'd probably either have to go through Proper Channels (see above) or ask any celestial friends they happen across. Here is probably where you want to invoke the "celestial-only items (like coffee, painting supplies, paper, etc.) require Essence to create" notion; this way, you can always have their friends say, "Aw, man, I'd love to help you but I just gave all my Essence to Kathriel for her Giant Sculpture Of Laurence (Including The Good View) Project." In a more mechanistic way, I'd probably roll a reaction roll (possibly at a penalty, depending on if I as GM thought the PCs had been wasting their Essence) and on a success, someone can lend them CD or CD/2 Essence. Note that _lend_ though -- be sure to have the debt called in sometime in the future... O;> At 7:41 PM -0400 4/13/00, Douglas Muir wrote: >However, you can pop down to some other >earthly Tether and pick up the goods at the Corporeal end; it'll reappear >with your vessel. But remember the weight limit! IIRC, the errata has it as 10 pounds per Corporeal Force... - --Beth, catching up as she can, while A: taking care of her little preemie, the Impudite Princess of Cute, aka Iolanthe, B: running back & forth between the condo and the new house, but fortunately not (apparently) C: coming down with a flu probably. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:29:09 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Malakim, dissonance and oaths At 10:49 AM +1000 4/14/00, Azrael wrote: >> One oath per note removed... >One note per two oaths, actually. This is what I get working from memory alone when I have a hard time looking something up in the books... O:> (Hey, I don't have a _chair_ at the new house here, and it's kind of hard to hold something open on my lap on the floor when said lap is already taken up with a (usually wiggling) baby...) - --Beth, catching up as she can, while A: taking care of her little preemie, the Impudite Princess of Cute, aka Iolanthe, B: running back & forth between the condo and the new house, but fortunately not (apparently) C: coming down with a flu probably. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 2000 23:04:48 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: IN> Christian writers applicable to IN On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:17:50 -0400 Andrew Dawson wrote: [Walter Milliken mentions C.S. Lewis & James Blish] >I'd like to add J.R.R. Tolkien to this list and some of my friends claim >that Orson Scott Card also uses a lot of Christian elements. or for the really blatant, try Frank Peretti's _This Coming Darkness_ and _Piercing the Darkness_ (the former is more readable than the latter) or Terry Brooks' _Running With the Demon_, _Knight of the Word_, and _Angel Fire East_ (note that i haven't read this last trilogy, but it does look good). If I ever wanted to say 'gwrthwynebiad', I'd probably kill myself by choking on my own tongue. =) - --John Karakash ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 00:12:26 +0100 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: Re: IN> Christian writers applicable to IN From: -=|horsefly|=- >On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:17:50 -0400 Andrew Dawson wrote: > [Walter Milliken mentions C.S. Lewis & James Blish] >>I'd like to add J.R.R. Tolkien to this list and some of my friends claim >>that Orson Scott Card also uses a lot of Christian elements. > or for the really blatant, try Frank Peretti's _This Coming Darkness_ and _Piercing the Darkness_ (the former is more readable than the latter) or Terry Brooks' _Running With the Demon_, _Knight of the Word_, and _Angel Fire East_ (note that i haven't read this last trilogy, but it does look good). Hm. There's also Chesterton's _The Ball And The Cross_, which has a very Luciferian figure (oh hell, I love Chesterton anyhow), and multiple stuff by Charles Williams in a Christian-mystic vein (he was one of CS Lewis' writing friends, known collectively as the Inklings), Lewis' own _The Screwtape Letters_, an absolute must, and _Pilgrim's Regress_ (thanks to whoever it was on this list who mentioned it before and spurred me to read it)... In a more fantastical vein, the books of Katherine Kurtz (the Deryni and Adept series), whatever their other merits or flaws, have a perfect sorcery system for Laurencian or Christian-ethos-based or angelic-taught sorcerers. Plenty of invocations of Archangelic names, readings from the bible... Genevieve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:32:44 +1000 From: "Azrael" Subject: Re: IN> Font > i've got one called "Magna Veritas" which is, erm, very similar to the IN > font. i downloaded it off the Uncle Bear site, but he's dumped his fonts > pages at the moment. let me know if you'd like me to send it to you > > > liam > I would, cos the font is rockin but errm, it sounds a bit err.....*cough* *cough* dodgy, ya'know what I mean. So for now I'll say, no. Azrael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 21:03:21 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Christian writers applicable to IN - -=|horsefly|=- wrote: > or for the really blatant, try Frank Peretti's _This Coming Darkness_ and _Piercing the Darkness_ (the former is more readable than the latter) or Terry Brooks' _Running With the Demon_, _Knight of the Word_, and _Angel Fire East_ (note that i haven't read this last trilogy, but it does look good). Actually, the most blatant is probably the "Left Behind" series, by Tim Lahaye and Jerry Jenkins, which is currently a bestseller. Haven't read it myself, and have no intention of doing so, but it probably would make an interesting setting for a hardcore fundamentalist Christian In Nomine campaign. The premise is basically that the Rapture has happened, and everyone left behind has to cope with the Antichrist, who's gearing the world up for the Tribulation. From reviews I've read, its theology is *extremely* heavy-handed (if you're not a right-wing born-again Christian, you're screwed -- the Devil's gonna getcha), and not particularly well-written, but hey.... - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 02:40:31 PDT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Christian writers applicable to IN I'd add the Damiano trilogy by R MacAvoy, if you can get hold of them -- they're about a renaissance sorceror who talks to Raphael on a regular basis. And Spanky, by Christopher Fowler, is a pretty nifty modern day retelling of the Faust story (also has a great picture on the front cover). jo (and The Man who was Thursday is the greatest Chesterton novel! :) ) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 15 Apr 2000 11:30:18 -0400 From: jmcbray@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu (Jason F. McBrayer) Subject: Re: IN> Christian writers applicable to IN Here's another couple: _Angel Fire_ and _Angel Light_ by Andrew M. Greeley. He has yet another take on angels as alien energy beings, in a modern setting. Good stuff for light reading, and pretty usable for IN -- his angels appear as 'analogues', similar to IN Vessels. - -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu | | The scalloped tatters of the King in Yellow must hide Yhtill | | forever. R.W. Chambers _The King in Yellow_ | ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1583 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.