From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Apr 25 22:44:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA09105 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:44:54 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id WAA30098 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:42:29 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:42:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200004260342.WAA30098@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1594 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, April 25 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1594 In this digest: Re: IN> Angel of Pain? Re: IN> Animal Language's Re: IN> Animal Language's IN> Jordi's Perspective (was Animal Language's) Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) IN> Iron Chef (was: Re: Corporeal Song of Shields) Re: IN> Angel of Pain? Re: IN> Angel of Pain? (Longish response) Re: IN> Jordi's Perspective (was Animal Language's) Re: IN> Jordi's Perspective (was Animal Language's) Re: IN> Angel of Pain? Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) IN> Angels of Destruction (Long) Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) Re: IN> Unholy Sefirot Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) Re: IN> Unholy Sefirot IN> DC Tethers... Re: Ethereal Song of Tongues artifact (was Re: IN> Animal Language's) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:44:24 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Pain? From: "O. S. Kerr" > > Make him become a Demon Prince (of Torture) > > I'd say Suffering, but otherwise it's a sound idea... I still think "Doing This For Your Own Good." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:59:41 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Animal Language's David Rodemaker wrote: > While it clearly states that other Angels who don't work for him consider > him insane I think that the only Superior who fits that mold would be Jean. > (Yes I know what the Relations paragraph says but lets look at the above). > It also staes that he is completely loyal to the Divine but completely > hates the politics that consume the other angels. Which is why he's not inclined to teach his secret Songs to other Archangels. HE regards animals as _his_ domain, to be protected and, for the most part, to be kept out of the War. Certainly not to be used in the War on behalf of humans. > I think that my point was that it didn't make sense for that Song to be > secret. It's secret because Jordi discovered it, and he hasn't shared it. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:00:34 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Animal Language's David Rodemaker wrote: > What I would like to see to make that an uncommon > Song and give Jordi a secret Song that makes more sense (at least to me...) That would take away what makes angels of Animals unique and special, since then any other angel could do the whole "talk to the animals" schtick. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 14:08:53 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> Jordi's Perspective (was Animal Language's) My impressions of Jordi are as follows: His is one of the most unplayable Words in the game, thanks to the isolationist attitude he's taken. In a way, he's far closer to Outcast than Gabriel or even Khalid. To be frank, for the sake of the game, I think he's a lousy Archangel and needs re-writing. I think he's a leftover from a much more factionalized, dark, and angst-ful conception of the game. Jordi and Novalis are about equally old, and equally entwined with the history of life on Earth, but they have taken very different attitudes toward events since the Fall. Novalis has broadened her Word to take in moral features (peace and mercy), while Jordi has not. Novalis is, clearly, quite concerned about humans, while Jordi doesn't like anyone over the tech level of bushmen. Jordi, I think, still retains (or tries to retain) the time- perspecitve the angels had before the Fall -- a geological perspective. Just on the material plane, humans are a very bad thing for his Word, but they are not yet as bad as, say, the asteroid (or whatever) that wiped out the dinosaurs and ended the Cretaceous, and nothing like as bad as the Great Dying at the end of the Permian. Left to his own devices, he'd "fix" the situation by destroying civilization and wiping out 95% or 99% of humanity, with the remainder at the aforementioned bushman level. God said not to wipe them ALL out, but He didn't say not to topple civilization, right?... But the Seraphim Council won't let him topple civilization, nor probably would the Princes of Hell. And there wouldn't even BE a Council or Princes, if it weren't for this miserable Homo sapiens species, which was the occasion of the Fall and the War. Even the Permian Dying didn't produce anything like the Fall or the War, and leave Jordi alienated from almost all his former friends. This is the worst interglacial he's ever had. On the bright side, it will almost certainly be brief, from Jordi's perspective. Jordi expects Armageddon "soon" (by his standards, which could mean millenia away), and after that he devoutly hopes to be allowed to go back to business as usual. Humanity will be snatched away to the Celestial Plane (he believes), and he can go back to working on those neat plans he's had for social insects and cetaceans (if the hominids don't wipe them all out) and bats. He's got these great plans for bats. And rodents. He can go on and on about rodents. And someday, he will, and Novalis and David and Gabriel and Janus will be back working at his side, and maybe they can raise up a successor to poor slain Oannes. The Archangels of Nature can get back to work, and life can get back to normal. He hopes. - ---- That is how I see canonical Jordi, whose general antipathy to all things human will, I think, keep him solidly in the background. He could have been different. An alternate Jordi could have extended the Word of Animals, just as Novalis extended Flowers, and become, say, the patron of vitality. Angels of healing and laughter could have come to him after being orphaned of Raphael and betrayed by Kobal. He could have been Saminga's arch-rival. He could give domestic animals equal time or the main part of his attention, without giving up his environmentalism. But no, he's just going to sulk. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:23:34 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) At 12:01 PM -0400 4/25/00, Douglas Muir wrote: > >We've had a lot of fun with the concept of the Firstborn in the Host > >Hey, great minds think alike. I've used this too (though I call them the >Elder Angels... hmm, think I like your term better). The term "Firstborn" is a title Angels use when describing Michael, IMC. It's an honorific and a way to refer to him in the third person. I haven't got a good term for pre-fall Angels. I wonder what the Latin for "Falling" is.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:36:08 PDT From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Iron Chef (was: Re: Corporeal Song of Shields) GURPS Iron Chef Hrm . . . In Nomine: Iron Chef in which the Iron Chefs, Japan's Premier Chefs do battle in the Kitchen Arena with Servitors of Creation and Gluttony from around the world. Rarely, if ever, do one of these challengers manage to defeat the human Iron Chefs whose innate corporeal familiarity gives them a distinct advantage over their celestial opponants. Each contestant has one hour in which to demonstrate their skill in cuisine. After that, it's up to the panel of judges to decide the winner. Iron Chef distinction gives the possesser not only a +3 all cooking rolls, but also a +3 to Knowldge(Food) and +3 to Knowledge (Cuisine) of the Chef's respective country (Iron Chef Italian, Iron Chef French, Iron Chef Japanese, etc . . .) - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/6045/index.html "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:39:25 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Pain? At 20:45 -0400 4/24/00, A.Hamilton wrote: >Which choir? I'm thinking definitely an Elohite. This just seems so >obvious. They have the perfect mindset for handling the sort of chore that >being the Angel of Pain would entail. But I'd like to here other >suggestions certainly. I agree Elohite is the obvious choice. I could see a Seraph or a Malakite. But I'd argue that a Cherub is the most interesting choice. The justification is that pain is actually a protective mechanism -- the body's (and mind's) way of saying "don't do that again -- it's harming you". I can see a Cherub being able to encompass that mindset, though it's tricky. (It would also be equally tricky for an Elohite, I think, since it touches too closely on the Habbalite mindset.) >Which Superior? This..well, I'm thinking David because of his whole >'adversity makes people stronger' shtick. David is a good choice, and probably one that would fit a Cherub best. I'll also argue for one I haven't seen anyone else propose: Judgment. After all, pain is often the price of bad judgment. So I could see Pain under Judgment, with the slant that it's a form of punishment for doing the wrong thing that encourages people to do the right thing, next time. I can also see Yves, under the "Pain is a tool for learning" justification. Also, overcoming pain and still doing good seems rather Destiny-related, to me. The real trick is to make sure to give the Word a "bright" slant of some sort. An angel wouldn't be promoting pain for its own sake, but because it had some good effect in the Symphony. (See the Angel of Teenage Death in Night Music, though he's really gone overboard with his Word and lost its true purpose. >Forces? How many forces would an Angel with this word have? I'm still >waiting on my copy of the GMG, so I'm not sure about how to assign forces >for words and such as that. I'd start with 15 basic Forces and go up from there; for Word Forces, you're talking about a major Word, so potentially anything up to near-Superior status. I'd probably go with 15 Word Forces or so. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: 25 Apr 2000 21:43:56 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Pain? (Longish response) On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:26:18 -0500 David Rodemaker wrote: [snip] > Buy the GMG i have it already (was a Christmas gift). i simply haven't read it thoroughly yet . >> the Angel of Pain is not someone else's Servitor, though it may have >>been long ago. instead, it's a Minor Superior of its own, with attendant >>Rites, Distinctions, and Servitor Attunements >I could go with this but that seems like it may be a bit beyond what the >original concept was. I actually like this idea a great deal but it might be fine and good. i figured the question was open; i opined my view. >a bit much to create a new Superior for your first game. I know how much >trouble I went to put together the version of Azreal that we use in Kiara's >campaign (she helped alot also of course) it certainly isn't necessary to go my route; however, it's a viable option (but then, i'm biased). ["Firstborn"] >"first amoung equals" of the five remaining Angels of Destruction should >scare the bejeebers out a PC, heck even running across this guy should worry >them. [snip] >Does anyone want to see what we came up with for the Angels of Destruction? >It was an interesting exercise that has worked pretty well in our campaign. >It's short so I can either post to the list or email direct. Votes? i'd be interested in your five remaining Angels of Destruction (i'm sure one or more of them are attributed with laying waste to Sodom and Gamorah) as well as the others who have fallen in battle or Fallen to Hell over the course of the War. do you have names and personalities for the destroyed/Fallen as well? -=|horsefly|=- God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:06:12 -0600 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's Perspective (was Animal Language's) Just a single nit pick, Kobal was the angel of laughter. Appointing a new one would probably not be a sane thing to do. Anywho with that out of the way, I agree with you about Jordi's playability. However you can have Angels of Animals that are balanced and that can act as a liason between his organisation and those of more 'reasonable' Archangels. However there is mention in H&H of human souls being in the the Savanah and convercing with animal spirits, and Jordi not minding those people. I think in the whole canon view Jordi thinks that humans have betrated the trust God placed in them. That God wanted them to be the top of the food chain, and to govern over the animal kingdom wisely and to treat the earth well and not to act like selfish tyrants. Basicaly his beaf is with what humanity has done with its authority, not with the authority. This isn't explicitly in his write up, but it seems to be implied by the times he comes up in canon. Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation My international broadcastingagency: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:29:05 -0400 From: "A.Hamilton" Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's Perspective (was Animal Language's) >However there is mention in H&H of human souls being in the the Savanah and >convercing with animal spirits, and Jordi not minding those people. I >think in the whole canon view Jordi thinks that humans have betrated the >trust God placed in them. That God wanted them to be the top of the food >chain, and to govern over the animal kingdom wisely and to treat the earth >well and not to act like selfish tyrants. Basicaly his beaf is with what >humanity has done with its authority, not with the authority. > >This isn't explicitly in his write up, but it seems to be implied by the >times he comes up in canon. I only have the main book, so that's all I really know about Jordi. But I've got to say this seems dead on to me. And I think it fits nicely with the way I've read Genesis. While the phrase used there when discussing men's place in the scheme of things was 'dominion over the earth and all the beasts in it.' or along those lines; I attened a Bible study during college, where we took a closer look at the hebrew context of the words. And that interpretation seems to be in line with the above. That is, God gave man a trust to watch over the earth and animals, dominion the way a shepherd has dominion over his flocks, not the way a dictator holds dominion over his helpless subjects. I get the feeling Jordi would be a little more human-friendly, regardless of tech level, provide they (we) respect the spirit of the authority given. Just my thoughts on it. >Timothy, Angel of Rambling >Ofanite of Creation A.Hamilton trying to reply to all the AoP threads in once concise message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:06:16 -0400 From: "A.Hamilton" Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Pain? List, First, thanks so much for all the enthusiastic responses I've received. All the input has been great and given me some defintie ideas of where to go with the Angel of Pain. Orginaly I was going to try to reply to everyone individualy, but that seemed spammy, so I'm going to steal a page from AA Beth's playbook and cut and paste in one big reply. On the subject of Choir Prodigal wrote: <> David Muir wrote: <> Justin Buhler wrote: <> Maurice Lane wrote: <> Earl Wajenberg wrote <> Elizabeth McCoy wrote: <>> Walter Milliken wrote: <> Thanks for all the comments. I'd pretty much ruled out Mercs and Kyrio's for the very reasons listed. And while I like the redeemed Habbalite idea..but, other ideas kind of leave that out. I can see some of his more powerful servitors being Seraphs and Malakites, but again..going to pass on those two as well, not quite what I was looking for. As for the Cherub idea..well, one of the players is going to be playing a Djinn and wants to redeem the fellow over the course of the campaign. So..i'm going to stick with Elohite so as not to step on player toes or interfere with some other ideas I've gotten from the responses. On his Superior: Okay..the consensus seemed to be with David, with a few exceptions. And of course Gabriel and Yves popped up a few times. Some of the more interesting suggestions however were: David Rodemaker wrote: <> This could very well work, except Khalid isn't in the main book. I like the idea though, and it dovetails nicely with the the souce of inspiration, as you mentioned. -=|horsefly|=- wrote: <> I like this idea. A lot. but see below.. Maurice Lane wrote: <> The more I think about this one, the more I like it. I think it'd be nice for him to have had prior service with David though. And I have an idea of how to explain the change of Superiors. Walter Milliken wrote: <> While it's true that pain can serve as punishment, its not really the slant I'm looking for. The inspiration for this had to do with undeserved pain, basicaly CS Lewis asking why do bad things happen to good people. His conclusion was that just as fire is used to remove impurities from gold (An argument for Gabriel there), so pain is used to make us closer to God, to turn to him and seek his comfort. Also, a big thank you to O.S. Kerr, and Douglas Muir for asking questions that really got me to thinking and helped me round out my ideas about this celestial. And big thanks to Laurent and horsefly. Their suggestions have given me a good idea. I think the Campaign is going to revolve around the character finding themselves in service of this Word-bound and the first bit focus around them getting to know the 'new' boss and dealing with the moral difficulties in serving the Word of Pain, the next bit about our redeeming Djinn and getting our little AofPain up to AA status. I also plan on introducing the fallen holder of the said word, a Habbalite in that section. And perhaps even lead into an attempt to redeem the Demon of Torture (Or Suffering or Doing this for your own good; I haven't decided). A.Hamilton: ahamilton@tntie.com Personal Page: http://www.tntie.com/ahamilton/index.html "It's an ugly sight isn't it? Lunatics and Whore's" Cupid. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:14:04 -0400 From: "A.Hamilton" Subject: Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) - -----Original Message----- From: Whistling in the Dark To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Cc: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 3:37 PM Subject: Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) >At 12:01 PM -0400 4/25/00, Douglas Muir wrote: >> >We've had a lot of fun with the concept of the Firstborn in the Host >> >>Hey, great minds think alike. I've used this too (though I call them the >>Elder Angels... hmm, think I like your term better). > >The term "Firstborn" is a title Angels use when describing Michael, >IMC. It's an honorific and a way to refer to him in the third person. >I haven't got a good term for pre-fall Angels. I wonder what the >Latin for "Falling" is.... check out the following page: http://cawley.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/lookdown.pl It's a nifty little page that allows you to type in an english word and find out any Latin word with that meaning. Here are a few results I got from it. cado cadere cecidi [to fall , sink, drop]; 'vela cadunt', [are furled]; 'iuxta solem cadentem', [in the west]; of living beings, often [to fall in death, die]; hence [to be destroyed, to subside, sink, flag, fail]; 'cadere animis', [to lose heart]; with in or sub, [to come under, be subject to]; with in, [to agree with, be consistent with]; of events, [to fall out, happen]; of payments, [to fall due]. cedo (1) cedere cessi cessum [to go , proceed]: of things, [to turn out, happen; to fall to the lot of] a person; [to change] into something else; [to go away, withdraw, retire]; with dat., [to give ground to, submit to], hence [to be inferior to]; transit., [to grant, yield]. >Eric Alfred Burns - > >Habbalite of Belaboring the Point A.Hamilton: ahamilton@tntie.com Personal Page: http://www.tntie.com/ahamilton/index.html "It's an ugly sight isn't it? Lunatics and Whore's" Cupid. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:16:13 -0500 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) > The term "Firstborn" is a title Angels use when describing Michael, > IMC. It's an honorific and a way to refer to him in the third person. > I haven't got a good term for pre-fall Angels. I wonder what the > Latin for "Falling" is.... We postulate 4 (5) "generations" of Angels. 1st Generation: Pre-Fall, Pre-Man. 2nd Generation: Pre-Fall, Post-Man 3rd Generation: Post-Fall, Pre-Common Era (That's before Christ) 4th Generation: Post-Fall, Common Era 5th Generation: CDaU and probably starting about right now. It also is a semi-major point of Kiara's campaign so if Charlie, Ken, Cassie, Tracy, or John have been lurking you just got a major hint. Keep in mind that *I* don't have half an idea what all is going on either, just slightly more than you all... We also sort of figure that Celestial as a language doesn't translate real well. The whole Firstborn refers to Micheal in the specific but also that first gen. of angels (and now demons). There is also a similar term that refers to "the One-Hundred" actually we have never nailed down the number but is basically the first "x" Celestials and may or may not be more exclusive that the First Generation. Since the only people who really understand the distinction are the ones who fall in the group in is sort of a moot point and it is really a ceremonial title. David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:22:44 -0500 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) > Yeah, IMC they're all very very tough and intimidating, near-Superiors. > Only two exceptions so far: Eos and whatsername who used to be Lucifer's > housekeeper, the sad angel who still comes into the Cathedral of Light to > dust. Hmmm, We forgot about him (Lucifer's seneschal). We both liked him too... There was just a meeting of the Angels of Destruction at the Lightbringers Cathedral also... Darn, that would have been a nice piece of flavor text. > >That's sort of why I like Eos so much, he's a real contradiction in Kiara's > >campaign and it drives people nuts. > Well, bless your heart. I'm very glad to hear that someone picked him up. > How's he doing? Kiara's prior service and knows just how to run him also. So, about like you'd expect, moseying about telling stories. Avoiding anyone who might try to press him into doing something. There is a reason that asked for him and I was real glad that you posted the story along with him again. David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:41:15 -0500 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: IN> Angels of Destruction (Long) Ok, you asked for... The only one that is really detailed out is Rogziel. Tell us what you think! Malache Habbalah, or Angels of Destruction History The Angels of Destruction were the servitors of the Metatron. However they were selected by the The Almighty from the servitors of other Archangel's, and continued to serve these other Superiors when their special service to the Metatron was not needed. There were only 7 to start out with and none have ever been replaced, in fact the position is combination of a Distinction and an Attunement. Before, during, and after the Fall these Angels received direct instruction from the Almighty or his Voice, the Metatron. On at least one occasion an Angel of Destruction has taken the words of Gabriel, the Celestial Prophet, as an instruction from the Almighty and not been rebuked. As divisions within the Seraphim Council grew and the Almighty took a less active role in the Corporeal Realm their services were required less and less. No Angel of Destruction has taken to the field in over 1,000 years and save for Rogziel and the Outcast all have remained in Heaven working with their Superior's. Lawrence continues to attempt to have the Angels of Destruction placed under his control but the Seraphim Council has thus far refused to grant this request. Michael, Yves, and Novalis are the curious alliance that are the forces behind blocking this request. Dominic supports Laurence in this desire and sees feels that such a group should be under control of the Commander of the Armies of God. The issue itself is a curious one as it is uncertain if the Angels would follow his orders anyway. Sui'el, the Angel of Earthquakes, once said that in the absence of the direct Word of God it would take a unanimous vote of the Seraphim Council with no abstentions for him to even consider acting in concert with his brethren. The rest of the Angels of Destruction are known to hold similar sentiments. As some of the oldest and most powerful Celestials short of a Archangel or Demon Prince they are very highly regarded by the Seraphim Council and their Archangels and have much more sway than either Lawrence or Dominic realizes. The Angels of Destruction are very aware of the power that they hold and consider the Distinction as a direct sign from The Almighty that they should be very careful of the actions that they take. All are aware that they may Fall and this has probably contributed the most to them retreating from active work in the War, none of them wish for this to happen again. Every Angel of Destruction is an 18 Force Celestial with at least an Important Word. Most of the newer Angels and Demons have never met an Angel of Destruction and believe that they do not exist anymore. Rogziel has remained on earth for the past 1,000 years where he has moved from place to place, currently he has a Role as a martial arts instructor and Celestials and Soldiers both come to him for instruction. The whereabouts of the Outcast are unknown but it is thought that his presence is the reason for Rogziel remaining on the Corporeal Plane for so long. Rogziel, "Wrath of God", Malakite of War, Champion of the Peak and Hero of the Malkuth, Seraph Master of Divine Knowledge, Angel of Knives (20 Word-Forces). First among Equals of the Malache Habbalah, he is the only one to have a seat on the Council. Kushiel, "Rigid One of God", Fallen Kyriotate of Water, now dead, Angel of Maelstrom's. After the Fall he was known as Vephar. Lahatiel, "The Flaming One", Ofanite of Fire, Master of the Light, Angel of Wildfire's (16 Word-Forces) Sui'el, "??", Malakite of Stone, Silent Angel, Master of Brotherhood, Master of Inevitability, Master of the Granite Hand, Master of Geomancy, Master of Celestial Integrity, Angel of Earthquakes (20 Word-Forces). Former Ofanite. Za'aphiel, "Wrath of God", Ofanite of the Whirlwind, Master of Motion, Angel of Tornado's (16 Word-Forces) Ra'miel, "Trembling Before God", Kyriotate of Lightning, now dead, Angel of Thunder Cassiel, "Speed of God", Malakite of Purity, Outcast, Angel of Tear's (20+ Word-Forces) Former Elohite Distinction The Distinction of Angel of Destruction is a simple but powerful one. An Angel of Destruction will never injure one who does not deserve it by accidental action. The Symphony will protect those who do not deserve death or injury at the hands of the Lord in the manner of a Divine Intervention. Attunement The Attunement of Angel of Destruction allows the Angel to add their Celestial Forces to any roll that would involve Destruction or a related action (I.e. Killing). However this also causes a matching increase in any Disturbance caused. Since this all the remaining Angels of Destruction have 6 Celestial Forces this means that they may all add +6 to all rolls involving Destruction but each and every action cause a +6 to the amount of Disturbance caused. Concert Effects The Angels of Destruction are very powerful on their own but when working in concert with their brethren they become geometrically more powerful. The effects of any songs they perform are taken to the power of the number Angels of Destruction involved. Thus if God commanded that the Angels of Destruction act and all the remaining five Angels were present and working towards that goal then the effects would be multiplied by 3,125. In ancient times the Almighty often ordered only 3 or 4 of the Angels of Destruction to act. In fact the only time more than four acted in concert was during the destruction of Atlantis where all seven of the Angels brought about the end of that continent and civilization. The Celestial Song of Unity is the closest that other Celestials have come to achieving such unity of purpose, post "Creation" period. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:57:57 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) >> Yeah, IMC they're all very very tough and intimidating, near-Superiors. >> Only two exceptions so far: Eos and whatsername who used to be Lucifer's >> housekeeper, the sad angel who still comes into the Cathedral of Light to >> dust. > >Hmmm, We forgot about him (Lucifer's seneschal). We both liked him too... >There was just a meeting of the Angels of Destruction at the Lightbringers >Cathedral also... Darn, that would have been a nice piece of flavor text. No, that's a different one. Rummage, rummage... "...it seems perfectly intact, but an alert observer can trace a hair-thin black crack, running all the way from the foundations to the apex of the dome." "Within, all is bare... Only two beings ever visit the Cathedral of Light regularly. One is Sabach, an extremely old Elohite, who once served the Prince of the Morning Star long ago, in the days before the Fall. Now in service to Jean, Sabach still comes regularly to the Cathedral and makes sure the place is kept up. She avoids company, flitting through the corridors silently, still mourning the fall of the Angel of Light." "The second occasional visitor is Yves, who sometimes comes here to sit in the center of the dome and contemplate..." IMC Sabach is a very sad character, but also a more powerful one than she first appears. The Seneschal of the (last?) Tether of Light is a different character. Though of course he could show up in the Cathedral too; the heavenly end of his tether must be nearby. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:00:50 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) >> >That's sort of why I like Eos so much, he's a real contradiction in >Kiara's >> >campaign and it drives people nuts. >> Well, bless your heart. I'm very glad to hear that someone picked him up. >> How's he doing? > >Kiara's prior service and knows just how to run him also. So, about like >you'd expect, moseying about telling stories. Avoiding anyone who might try >to press him into doing something. Excellent. IMC he tells lots of stories. Some of them are interesting but useless, some aren't even interesting, some are _very_ important. It's fun tweaking the signal-to-noise ratio; I've had PCs walk away from him *just* as he was giving them a Really Big Clue, which is always a treat. >There is a reason that asked for him and >I was real glad that you posted the story along with him again. My pleasure. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:25:23 +0800 From: Quistis Subject: Re: IN> Unholy Sefirot At 06:04 PM 4/24/00 -0500, you wrote: >1- Thaumiel "The two contending Forces" >2- Chaigidiel or Ghogiel "The Hinders" >3- Sathariel or Sheireil or Satariel "The Concealers" >4- Gamchicoth or Gog Sheklah or Agshekeloh "The Breaker in Pieces" >5- Golab or Golohab "The Burners" >6- Togarini or Tagiririon "The Disputers" >7- Harab Serap or Gharab Tzerek "The Ravens of Death" >8- Sammael "The Liar or Poison of God" >9- Gamaliel "The Obscene One's" >10- Lilith "Queen of the Night and of Demons" Hm, some list the fallen angels as being grouped under these shevirah...do they have rulers (like demonic princes?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:44:17 -0500 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) > IMC Sabach is a very sad character, but also a more powerful one than she > first appears. That is the one I was thinking of. Sorry, that we sort of figured that each Cathedral had to have a Seneschal also, sort of the XO for each Superior who handles alot of the mundane details of the Word. Not actually needing to be Firstborn BTW, but arguably the among the same amount of power. > The Seneschal of the (last?) Tether of Light is a different character. > Though of course he could show up in the Cathedral too; the heavenly end of > his tether must be nearby. He is a cool character also, I have a sneaking suspicion that Kiara will have him appear sooner or later because we both liked the image of David in his naked glory lying back in the grass with Shenir... David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:59:54 -0500 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> Unholy Sefirot > At 06:04 PM 4/24/00 -0500, you wrote: > >1- Thaumiel "The two contending Forces" Cortex: Cathariel > >2- Chaigidiel or Ghogiel "The Hinders" Cortex: Oghiel or Ghogiel > >3- Sathariel or Sheireil or Satariel "The Concealers" Cortex: None listed > >4- Gamchicoth or Gog Sheklah or Agshekeloh "The Breaker in Pieces" Cortex: Azariel > >5- Golab or Golohab "The Burners" Cortex: Usiel > >6- Togarini or Tagiririon "The Disputers" Cortices: Zomiel and Belphegor > >7- Harab Serap or Gharab Tzerek "The Ravens of Death" Cortices: Theumiel and Baal Chanan > >8- Sammael "The Liar or Poison of God" Cortices: Theuniel and Adramelek > >9- Gamaliel "The Obscene One's" Cortex: Ogiel > >10- Lilith "Queen of the Night and of Demons" Cortex: None listed RF. Waite, The Holy Kabbalah ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:00:50 -0700 From: "Robert Veneman-Hughes" Subject: IN> DC Tethers... Canonically, there are a lot of tethers in and around Washington, D.C. Twelve, at my count. While I guess we all expect a lot of tethers around a capitol, it seems like this is a lot... Any suggestions on what kind of celestial atmosphere this would create in DC? Would there be overt war? Some kind of truce? Especially as it is likely there are a lot of demons of factions inside the beltway, even if they don't have a canonical tether. Do you all think this list is too large? Too small? Just right? I think the nation's capitol is an interesting place to run a game, but the sheer number of tethers is daunting and I'd like some advice on how they would affect it. Thanks, -Robert (Here's the list as I've compiled it - the strengths are my guesses when not specifically indicated in the Castellorum) - -------------------- DC Tethers Blandine - Lincoln Memorial - Major David - Washington Monument - Average Dominic - Supreme Court Building - Major Laurence - Chapel of St. Joseph of Arimithea - Weak Marc - Securities & Exchange Commission - Average Yves - Library of Congress - Major Lilith - Captiol Building Roof - Average Nybbas - White House Press Room - Weak Close Tethers Eli - US Patent Office, Arlington VA - Major Asmodeus - CIA HQ, Langley VA - Major Vapula - NSA HQ, Fort Meade VA - Average Nearby Tethers Baal - The Bloody Angle, VA Wilderness - Average - --------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 23:37:53 -0400 From: "Aaron Medwin" Subject: Re: Ethereal Song of Tongues artifact (was Re: IN> Animal Language's) From: John Karakash > Laurent wrote: > > > Anyway, this player wants to learn the Ethereal Song of Tongues in order to > > communicate correctly. But he doesn't like the idea of spending 1 essence every > > time he wants to say something to someone. So I was wondering: is there any > > canon artifact (I don't have the Liber Reliquarum at the office) that could > > help? Say, the owner could attune the artifact to one person (for 1 essence), > > creating a constant one-way telepathic link or something like that (the panther > > does understand what humans say, of course). If no, how many points should it > > cost? > > I don't have LR with me, darnit, or I could give a more > definitive answer to this. But a few point to keep in mind for > the cost: The Game Master's Guide on page 18 says, under the heading of Non-Human Vessels: "Vessels can all talk, but otherwise suffer the appropriate limitations of their form(such as having no hands, or being colorblind)." > + John Karakash - geek, writer, cook - -Aaron Medwin ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1594 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.