From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Apr 28 11:22:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA28280 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:22:38 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id LAA04633 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:17:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:17:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200004281617.LAA04633@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1598 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, April 28 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1598 In this digest: Butterfly Vessels (was Re: IN> Animal Language's) Re: IN> Genealogy Re: Butterfly Vessels (was Re: IN> Animal Language's) Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) IN> stupid Kyriotate tricks, revisited. RE: IN> Genealogy Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) IN> hi all, I'm back Re: IN> stupid Kyriotate tricks, revisited. Re: IN> Suggestions for adjucating Ethereals... Re: IN> Suggestions for adjucating Ethereals... Re: IN> Aztecs and the Purity Crusade Re: IN> Aztecs and the Purity Crusade Re: IN> Aztecs and the Purity Crusade Where Relievers Come From [was: Re: IN> Genealogy] Re: IN> Genealogy Re: IN> Genealogy Re: IN> stupid Kyriotate tricks, revisited. Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) IN> Creation Relievers (RE: Genealogy) RE: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) Re:IN> hi all, I'm back RE: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) Re: IN> Animal Language's Re: IN> Animal Language's IN> Player mistakes IN> Previously Published Words (Long) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:02:48 -0700 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Butterfly Vessels (was Re: IN> Animal Language's) Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >Although my GM has ruled in favour of leverage when it comes to my butterfly > >vessel. sigh. No throwing hammers for me...) > > What about picking them up and dropping them on people? Or dropping > lead marbles -- a handful of grit in someone's eyes at the right > moment can work wonders. Well it was sort of a last ditch running low on Essence kind of move, involving grasping the handle of the hammer and attempting to spin around at lob it at an angry demon. I'm still not sure, in retrospect, the exact physics of this, but it seemed like a good idea at the time. Didn't work (the hammer flew, but I was at horrific minuses to my attack roll, and missed with CD 6), and I ended up flying backwards through an (open, thank God) window. I have found that a butterfly with strength 3 can be remarkably useful, though (the lead marbles are an excellent idea, although I have no idea where I'll carry them). Relatively inconspicuous, can open latch doors (Haven't figured out knobs yet), flip lightswitches... All I need is the Song of Storms, and I'm set. Cheers, Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 16:48:40 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Genealogy Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > The rest are pretty much all stated to be creations of those eight. > Indeed, I blame Eli for wandering around dripping angels and > relievers out from behind his feathers, not to mention the stray > galaxy or at least nebula. Yeah, it would only make sense that the AA of Creation is responsible for a lot of the other Superiors. In my guess list, I tended to list him as the creator of lots of the nature angels and ex-angels (like Lust, nee Love, and Nightmare, nee Fear). Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:13:42 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: Butterfly Vessels (was Re: IN> Animal Language's) At 2:02 PM -0700 4/27/00, Ryan Elias wrote: >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >I have found that a butterfly with strength 3 can be remarkably useful, >though (the lead marbles are an excellent idea, although I have no idea >where I'll carry them). Get a summonable baggie to keep them in, and tote it around? >Relatively inconspicuous, can open latch doors >(Haven't figured out knobs yet), flip lightswitches... Knobs. Hm. You have 'sticky feet,' right? Can you fly in circles while clutching the knob? Maybe a summonable Jar Opener -- the kind that has a lever that clamps rather than those silly rubber circle things... >All I need is the Song of Storms, and I'm set. - --Beth, catching up as she can, typing with a baby (iolanthe) in her lap and no computer desk -- the keyboard shares the lap, and the trackball sits on a pile of GURPS books. I want the computer desk back! Moving is a hassle. (PS: may be typing with 1 hand, or even toe! Please forgive capitalization.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:45:35 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) At 3:13 PM -0500 4/27/00, David Edelstein wrote: >Emily Dresner wrote: > > Um, what? > > >What, you don't take being fantasized about by anime fanboys as a >pre-pubescent overly-cutesie anime chick* as a compliment? ;) > >-David > >* I know, "overly-cutesie anime chick" is repetitively redundant Hey, *I* just made a couple of tragically hip Neil Gaiman references. I want this *perfectly* clear to the room. - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 16:11:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "David M. Barr" Subject: IN> stupid Kyriotate tricks, revisited. Reading along the thread discussing celestial activity in Washington DC (which, by the way, would be mirrored in most other National capitals, I assume?) got me to thinking about one thing and another. So... IIRC, the Offanite of Jean attunement allows them to become electric and then travel along any path that it follows. I do not recall off hand if there has been a ruling in canon about whether or not this allows them to travle between radio transmitters and recievers (If it does, then a someday there is going to be a very very unhappy demon with a cell phone...). In any case, the Kyrio of Jean attunement allows them to possess inanimate objects. When doing so, they can effectively take over the object. If they took over a camera, they could take pictures of whatever the camera was looking at... they could even see what the camera was looking at, right? Heres the stupid trick. Give a kyrio the offanite attunement (assuming that is not restricted, of course). Then he posseses a satelite analyst at the National Security Agency. Using the offanite attunement, go through the network to get beamed up to a spy sattlite. Possess it. If you can pull a trick to sense essence, while in the satelite, then this would also be useful (though I have no idea how to do that...i am thinking there is a song that would let you do it?) Second Trick. Some time ago, I was asking if a kyrio possessing two vessels in two locations knows the position of each relative to the other. The final ruling of this trick was that a Kyriotate could not, as a rule, know his the relative position of each possession with any sort of accuracy. So. Give each one a really good GPS (Global Satellite Postioning). These handy little toys (originally developed for the military) will tell you exactly where you are, within a certain degree of accuracy. The better (more expensive) a reciever you get, the more preciely you can tell your position. Or positions... I am thinking: a Kyriotate with two vessels, two GPS receivers, and a sniper rifle. It might take a little bit (or a lot) of practice (or even a specialized perception based skill?), but aside from that, is there any other problems with using this method to go demon hunting? One possesion finds them (not, I grant you, a trivial task, but doable...) and then looks at his GPS reciever. The other, some distance away on the top of a building, reads /his/ GPS reciever, does a quick calculation, and takes a shot. Correct and repeat as needed. Come to think of it, it is not really neceary to use a kyriotate to do this. Two celestials with cell phones and GPS receivers could make a really effective team.... BANG! 'No! A little to the left!" BANG! '/MY/ LEFT!!' lacks sublety the subltely and elegance of the kytotate method, of course. But still a fun trick. - -Daiv Poor sucker never even sees it coming... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 16:10:26 -0700 From: "Robert Veneman-Hughes" Subject: RE: IN> Genealogy > [* Depending on Cathedral, of course.] > > IMC, I also have a Creation attunement that allows a limited form > of creating relievers, but we won't go into that because some > people hate it horribly and I quite like it. No tellng if it > would ever show up as canon or not. Heh. > --Beth > Well, *I'm* interested. Post it to the list, madam, even if it does have *NOT CANON* stickers all over it. - -Robert ------------------------------ Date: 27 Apr 2000 16:21:30 -0700 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) On Thu, 27 April 2000, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > Belldandy? I can't be Belldandy. I can't cook. Okay, so I'm not But it fits. It's the classic Maiden/Mother/Crone triumvirate. Since only one of those is fertile, and you've just given birth... > Can I be Mara? For your Djin Princess identity, sure. Duality is fun! > >I got enough sleep last night and I'm -still- wyrd. ;) What, no comment on my sophisticated pun? ;) > Sleep? Sleep? I have a 2 month old baby who's decided that > eating when she's hungry just isn't what she wants to do at Beth, I think information like this falls under "We Don't Need to Know." :) - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 27 Apr 2000 16:24:19 -0700 From: Eric Bertish Subject: Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) On Thu, 27 April 2000, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > (In IN terms, she's a reliever of Lightning who bids fair to > grow up to be a Malakite. Has the attunement, certainly.) Wheras Urd seems to be a redeemed Servitor of Lust with Andre's Lilim attunement and knowledge of several rare and potent songs. _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:00:29 -0500 (CDT) From: tomtimb@ionet.net Subject: IN> hi all, I'm back ...and I have a question: does anybody know what newsgroups are out there for survivors of colon cancer? And to make this relevant to IN, who would the Demon of Cancerous Growths serve, Fate or Death, or maybe some other DP? Who would the Angel of Catching Diseases Before They Can Become Incurable/Spread Too Far serve? Destiny, in keeping a person from a premature death [and sometimes letting others go, who are ready to move on]; Death, self-explanatory; Flowers, who covers healing/growth and not just chlorophyllia; or Protection? I apologize if this looks a bit funky; using my aunt's computer and my ISP's webmail capabilities to try on catch up with all email since I went into the hospital on 4/11 [over 400 entries, mostly all IN]and the preferences may be a bit off. take care all, tom timberlake, hoping they got it all like it appears they did. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:20:12 +1000 From: "Shane and family" Subject: Re: IN> stupid Kyriotate tricks, revisited. On 27 Apr 2000, at 16:11, David M. Barr wrote: ... > IIRC, the Offanite of Jean attunement allows them to > become electric and then travel along any path that > it follows. I do not recall off hand if there has been > a ruling in canon about whether or not this allows > them to travle between radio transmitters and recievers > (If it does, then a someday there is going to be a > very very unhappy demon with a cell phone...). In any Very unhappy, since the entry and exit points take "3d hits of damage (lightning blast)"! However, the song also says "With a suitable conductor - a phone line, an electrical line, the metal side of a building" which would seem to imply solid metal (or equivalently good electrical conductor, which air is not) is required. However however (:p), it seems to me (all I have is the main book) that a Kyrio of Jean can resonate via a phone conversation at -2 to the CD... okay, so you haven't blown up the demon's cellphone - but now you can go through all the numbers and names stored in it, listen to the message bank, etc, for your Ethereal Forces in minutes until you get booted out). > Heres the stupid trick. Give a kyrio the offanite attunement > (assuming that is not restricted, of course). Then > he posseses a satelite analyst at the National Security > Agency. Using the offanite attunement, go through the > network to get beamed up to a spy sattlite. Possess > it. I don't think that would actually need the ofanite attunement (and besides I doubt a satellite would handle an internal 3d lightning blast very well anyway). As above, the Kyrio of Jean could presumably ride a data transmission up to the satellite (at -2 or -3 to the CD) or if it knew where the satellite was and had a really good telescope it could resonate through the telescopic view? Just be careful about the time limit - it's minutes of possession for objects, not days as it is for the living. > If you can pull a trick to sense essence, while in > the satelite, then this would also be useful (though > I have no idea how to do that...i am thinking there > is a song that would let you do it?) Oooh, yes, if there's a Song or Attunement that duplicates the Relic Glasses that Vapulan Impudites get, just imagine *that* trick: "Laurence, here are the satellite Essence photographs of the Eastern Seaboard that you requested. -- Jean" And those milspec spysats have /good/ resolution. Heck, you could even possess a deep-radar satellite to search for underground Essence (say a hidden bunker - and then you could resonate yourself into the bunker!). David, you've hit a stupid kyrio trick motherlode. :) > I am thinking: a Kyriotate with two vessels, two GPS > receivers, and a sniper rifle. It might take a little > bit (or a lot) of practice (or even a specialized perception > based skill?), but aside from that, is there any other > problems with using this method to go demon hunting? > One possesion finds them (not, I grant you, a trivial > task, but doable...) and then looks at his GPS reciever. > The other, some distance away on the top of a building, > reads /his/ GPS reciever, does a quick calculation, > and takes a shot. Correct and repeat as needed. IIRC, civilian GPS is usually around 3m to 100m, depending on the amount of money you wish to spend. So it probably isn't feasible unless you've got military grade GPS. Even then, resolution is I think about 1m (imagine that you're firing blind at a grid with 1m gaps and your shots can only be aimed at the intersections). The word "potshot" comes to mind. Plus you've also got to know the vector from the first GPS to the target, and factor that in as well - if you just read purely off the GPS coords, you'll be shooting at yourself... If the demon is moving (and if they're not before the first shot, if still alive they should be afterwards) I suspect you'd have more chance of hitting with Divine Intervention than you would based on any amount of skill. You certainly wouldn't want to try it in a crowd (unless you don't care about possible Disturbance from mistakenly hitting nearby mortals). Giving your Kyriotate the 'Vassal of Lightning' distinction would help a lot with calculating a moving target position in realtime, but still - if your bullet could hit them, it'd be easier simply to look through the telescopic sight... if it's dark, use light-amp or thermal, if it's through a wall, use sonics or milliwave, etc. Now, 1cm resolution plus the Vassal of Lightning... then the demon should be really worrying. As I see it, the big benefit of having a GPS lock on a target is that if they get behind cover, you still know where they are ("Kyrio-GPS indicates the alley fire escape between Apple and Main streets, heading east... team blue, your sector). Shane. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:09:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Suggestions for adjucating Ethereals... Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:56:32 -0500From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Suggestions for adjucating Ethereals... Robert Veneman-Hughes wrote: > > Canonically, Ethereals are a lot less powerful today than they once > > were. What gives? Sure, a much smaller percentage of the population > > worships Ethereal gods, but is the Essence gods (and archangels, for > > that matter) recieve based on a proportion? Otherwise, Ethereal Gods > > should be more powerful now than they ever were. >It's not a simple mathematical equation. More >worshippers does help, but the power of a god (or a >celestial Word) won't necessarily increase at the >same geometric curve as a population increase.- >-David Fair enough, but then what _are_, precisely, the factors that make the difference between a thriving ethereal god and a ethereal struggling to stay afloat? I would hazard a guess that numbers of worshippers and quality of devotion are important, but I'm not coming up with anything else that would fit all the pantheons ... and as neopaganism is more widespread these days, and most neopagans I know are fairly fervent*, I'm wondering what I'm overlooking, here. :) Morgan (FAW) *Most first generation converts of _any_ faith are, if I remember my religion classes correctly. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:38:39 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Suggestions for adjucating Ethereals... Maurice Lane wrote: > Fair enough, but then what _are_, precisely, the > factors that make the difference between a thriving > ethereal god and a ethereal struggling to stay afloat? Precisely, CDaU. ;) Broadly, the quality and focus of the worship they receive. That's why the resurgence of neopaganism has helped ethereal spirits somewhat, but failed to turn them into exploding powerhouses -- 99% of neopagans are worshipping vague notions ("Mother Earth") or else their own made-up deities. Even those worshipping specific, named, extant deities, like Odin or Apollo, rarely know enough to actually send the god Essence with their worship, and thus aren't really doing anything to strengthen the god. Also, in many cases they're worshipping their own versions of the god (I mean, how many different versions of Odin and Apollo can YOU find in pop mythology alone?), which will make it even more unlikely that he'll "hear" their prayers and receive Essence from it. This is covered in some detail in the GMG. :) - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:30:49 PDT From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Aztecs and the Purity Crusade > > Perhaps someone has noticed this before; I don't know. >(2) The deities who were still around were a pretty nasty lot, hence the >nastiness of the Aztec empire. > >-David Funny, you'd think that Uriel would've killed them *first* . . . - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Fortress/6045/index.html "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 01:42:53 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Aztecs and the Purity Crusade At 10:30 PM -0700 4/27/00, Perry Lloyd wrote: >> > Perhaps someone has noticed this before; I don't know. > >>(2) The deities who were still around were a pretty nasty lot, hence the >>nastiness of the Aztec empire. >> >>-David > >Funny, you'd think that Uriel would've killed them *first* . . . Basic hunting. Take out the young, the slow and the weak first. - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 01:06:56 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Aztecs and the Purity Crusade Perry Lloyd wrote: > Funny, you'd think that Uriel would've killed them *first* . . . They're the ones who hid soonest. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:26:04 -0500 From: "Amo Nympham" Subject: Where Relievers Come From [was: Re: IN> Genealogy] personally, I can see any AA actually creating the Relievers in order to fill little menial tasks in their hierarchy. Of course, I've always seen the number of Relievers a whole lot less than that of demonlings. - -Dennis H. Groome V "Amo Nympham" ICQ: 11340261 http://evm-gamers.freeservers.com "I think I woke up screaming, 'cause I had a dream that you still loved me" -Stabbing Westward, ACF ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:35:07 -0500 From: "Amo Nympham" Subject: Re: IN> Genealogy - -Dennis H. Groome V "Amo Nympham" ICQ: 11340261 http://evm-gamers.freeservers.com "I think I woke up screaming, 'cause I had a dream that you still loved me" -Stabbing Westward, ACF > Christopher - David? as an ex-servitor of David, it's most likely > David - Eli? David was one of the First, created by God. Most of the "elemental" AAs are like that. > Dominic - Uriel? most likely. > Jean - Eli? I'd say Yves. > Khalid - Uriel? > Laurence - Uriel? Laurence for sure came from Uriel, and i'm sure Khalid did as well. > Litheroy - Raphael? Sounds about right. > Marc - Dominic?? never given it much thought. I personally don't use Marc that much...as he is now, he's pretty much the AA or Money (seems to be a style throwback from INS). > +Raphael - God Yves. > Zadkiel - David?? Once again sounds about right. > +Archangel of Song (Outcast Grigori) - Raphael? Eli all over this one. > Alaemon - Raphael? Litheroy, the whole former servitor thing. > Belial - Gabriel? Yup...(another former servitor) > Fleurity - Belial? the Haag-meister > Furfur - Belial? Indeed. > Haagenti - Belial? Demonling to begin with, first known in Meserarch's service, IIRC > Kobal - Eli? Gabriel? probably Eli > Kronos - Yves?? One of the biggest questions in Hell. more likely God, a la the whole Yves/Kronos aspect of God thing. > +Magog - David? yup. > Nybbas - Vapula? bingo > Vapula - Baal? now that i look at my old Playtest files, Kronos personally, I think that in the beginning, most of the angels were just created by God himself or came from the first relievers... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 02:32:15 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> Genealogy At 3:43 PM -0500 04/27/00, Prodigal wrote: [Snip Beth's Evil-Evil Creation Reliever Attunement] >I doubt I'll ever be allowed to use it in the "Falling Stars" game, but >could you send it to me privately at least? And there's a reason you don't have TransSub either. };;;> >/me ponders all those little origami Relievers with a grin (GM pondering all the sick little things I can do with my copy of the MPG [Munchins Player's Guide]. . .) Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = tafkaj@thrifty.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 06:04:48 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> stupid Kyriotate tricks, revisited. At 4:11 PM -0700 4/27/00, David M. Barr wrote: >to thinking about one thing and another. So... >IIRC, the Offanite of Jean attunement allows them to >become electric and then travel along any path that >it follows. I do not recall off hand if there has been >a ruling in canon about whether or not this allows >them to travle between radio transmitters and recievers Not. They travel via electrically conductive materials. >(If it does, then a someday there is going to be a >very very unhappy demon with a cell phone...). That's what Kyriotates of Jean with Generator do. Or Song of Acid, if you allow inanimate objects to use NC. >the Kyrio of Jean attunement allows them to possess >inanimate objects. they could even see what the camera was looking >at, right? They can "look around," too, IIRC the APG. (The Kyrio stuff in the APG, barring the CD tables and the errata'ed Kyrio of Blandine "clarification," is generally quite good. IIRC.) >Heres the stupid trick. Give a kyrio the offanite attunement The trick, alas, doesn't work in canon. However, the Kyrio doesn't _need_ the Ofanite attunement to do it. His own attunement will work, if he can find a way to get into the NSA area. (Assuming no Force Catchers, etc.) He simply needs to possess a machine that talks to the spysat, open conversation, listen for the spysat's acknowledgement (he can't possess something he can't either touch/see from a host, or hear), and jump to it. Watch out for Force Catchers. >BANG! >'No! A little to the left!" >BANG! >'/MY/ LEFT!!' *giggle* - --Beth, catching up as she can, typing with a baby (iolanthe) in her lap and no computer desk -- the keyboard shares the lap, and the trackball sits on a pile of GURPS books. I want the computer desk back! Moving is a hassle. (PS: may be typing with 1 hand, or even toe! Please forgive capitalization.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 06:04:46 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) At 4:21 PM -0700 4/27/00, Casca wrote: >On Thu, 27 April 2000, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> Belldandy? I can't be Belldandy. I can't cook. Okay, so I'm not > >But it fits. It's the classic Maiden/Mother/Crone triumvirate. Since only one of those is fertile, and you've just given birth... Hm. But as I recall, Verthandi/Skuld/Urd was an all-crone lot. (Or was that Lachsis, Atropos, and whatshernamepleasedon'tcurseme?) Besides, is Urd the _crone_? >> >I got enough sleep last night and I'm -still- wyrd. ;) > >What, no comment on my sophisticated pun? ;) >> Sleep? Sleep? I have a 2 month old baby who's decided that >> eating when she's hungry just isn't what she wants to do at > >Beth, I think information like this falls under "We Don't Need to Know." :) No, when I get into -diapers- it's WDNtK. The reason for the sleep deprivation is perfectly sensible, since it wasn't much bugging me _until_ she started this particular game. (That little game also explains why I'm on the computer at five flippn' thirty in the blessed morning. Argh.) - --Beth, catching up as she can, typing with a baby (iolanthe) in her lap and no computer desk -- the keyboard shares the lap, and the trackball sits on a pile of GURPS books. I want the computer desk back! Moving is a hassle. (PS: may be typing with 1 hand, or even toe! Please forgive capitalization.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 06:04:47 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Creation Relievers (RE: Genealogy) At 4:10 PM -0700 4/27/00, Robert Veneman-Hughes wrote: >> IMC, I also have a Creation attunement that allows a limited form >> of creating relievers, but we won't go into that because some >> people hate it horribly and I quite like it. No tellng if it >> would ever show up as canon or not. Heh. > >Well, *I'm* interested. Post it to the list, madam, even if it does have >*NOT CANON* stickers all over it. Okay. But I don't want to get into a big arguement about whether it _should_ be canon or not. Save that for the playtest, if this even gets that far, which it might well not. - --- I called it the "Midwife" Servitor Attunement, as close as Eli ever got to a Distinction. Basically, the Servitor could take a Force from a willing doner, up to his own Celestial Forces in number (i.e., 1-6), and form a reliever out of those Forces. Since relievers aren't stable till they get to 3 Forces (unlike demonlings), this requires at least two other doners. The Forces donated are chosen by the doners (well, and the Midwife -- but they'll agree or else it won't happen, and if they can't agree then it _shouldn't_ happen!) No, no one gets their Forces back. They do get the result of a reliever, who has whatever memetic components the GM feels appropriate. The reliever is not a Servant, or even necessarily a minion. It may be a Dependant in the GURPS sense -- i.e., it will probably hang around the doners and need to be protected and taught. It might be minorly useful, but won't be a familiar. Or it might wander off on its own in Heaven somewhere -- up to the GM. The reliever fledges naturally, and may have a bias toward the Choir(s) of its parents. For instance, if three Seraphim participate, the reliever will almost certainly fledge as a Seraph. If no two parents are the same Choir, there is some slight bias toward one of the ones represented. I'm not sure I'd keep the "CelForces" restriction, or just say that they can bond up to X Forces into the new reliever. Or say that they _have_ to bind one of their _own_ Forces... (Which ought to keep the attunement under pretty tight control, really.) As you can see, it's still a little amorphous. - --- - --Beth, catching up as she can, typing with a baby (iolanthe) in her lap and no computer desk -- the keyboard shares the lap, and the trackball sits on a pile of GURPS books. I want the computer desk back! Moving is a hassle. (PS: may be typing with 1 hand, or even toe! Please forgive capitalization.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 03:05:42 -0700 From: "Robert Veneman-Hughes" Subject: RE: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) > (Or was that Lachsis, Atropos, and whatshernamepleasedon'tcurseme?) Lachesis, Atropos, and Clotho. They were mostly all crones, as I recall, though that changes depending on myth. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Apr 2000 10:12:50 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) On 27 Apr 2000 16:24:19 -0700 Eric Bertish wrote: >On Thu, 27 April 2000, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> (In IN terms, she's a reliever of Lightning who bids fair to >> grow up to be a Malakite. Has the attunement, certainly.) >Wheras Urd seems to be a redeemed Servitor of Lust with Andre's Lilim attunement and knowledge of several rare and potent songs. *Redeemed* Servitor of Lust while *retaining Andre's Lilim Attunement*? GAH! i think Urd just became a whole lot more frightening than she ever was...! -=|horsefly|=- God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Apr 2000 10:19:29 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re:IN> hi all, I'm back On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 20:00:29 -0500 (CDT) tomtimb@ionet.net wrote: >...and I have a question: does anybody know what newsgroups are out there for >survivors of colon cancer? err, sorry, no clue. >And to make this relevant to IN, who would the Demon of Cancerous Growths >serve, Fate or Death, or maybe some other DP? Death, and just to make it a stronger word, i'd say it's the Demon of Cancer. the Band is obvious: it's a Shedite. >Who would the Angel of Catching Diseases Before They Can Become Incurable/ >Spread Too Far serve? Destiny, in keeping a person from a premature death [and >sometimes letting others go, who are ready to move on]; Death, self- >explanatory; Flowers, who covers healing/ growth and not just chlorophyllia; >or Protection? Cherub of Protection IST Destiny. >I apologize if this looks a bit funky; using my aunt's computer and my ISP's >webmail capabilities to try on catch up with all email since I went into the >hospital on 4/11 [over 400 entries, mostly all IN]and the preferences may be a >bit off. i'll keep praying for you. >take care all, >tom timberlake, hoping they got it all like it appears they did. you too, Tom, and God bless. -=|horsefly|=- ------------------------------ Date: 28 Apr 2000 10:35:52 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: RE: IN> Firstborn (was Angel of Pain) On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 03:05:42 -0700 Robert Veneman-Hughes wrote: >> (Or was that Lachsis, Atropos, and whatshernamepleasedon'tcurseme?) >Lachesis, Atropos, and Clotho. They were mostly all crones, as I recall, >though that changes depending on myth. i thought the Sisters of Fate were all a set age (Clotho youthful virgin, Aechesis matron, Atropos crone). -=|horsefly|=- God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:08:22 -0500 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> Animal Language's > Sorry 'bout that. Hey, it's about as useful as Gabriel's Detect Cruelty > stuff, or maybe Elohim of the Wind... Nobody said the attunements > were _balanced_. (You want to see "balance," look at GURPS IN -- > that lists the costs.) I have never been particularly worried about balance between characters, I always figured that was part of the fun. It only gets bad when you get to the Rifts-level of disparity. > >Well, I may just have to take up Earls gauntlet for a rewrite of Jordi now > There's "rewrite" and there's "expansion." The existing mainbook > text actually accomodates a more moderate expansion as well. And > eventually, eventually... Hmmm.... Expansion and partial re-write then. > >He also seems a little off for IN and perhaps a little > >closer to whatever he was in the French version. > Closer than _Dominic_???? Now _there's_ an AA who's showing his roots... Dominic is a case all on his own. > >If anything he and his servitors seem a little mamby-pamby for one of > >the argueably more powerful Words. > Say that to the Cherub in the Siberian Tiger vessel who's sitting on > the hood of your car sometime...Or the flea with Corporeal Form. (Urk. > Special Attack Superflea Bullet!) Yes but the problem becomes that you cannot wnder through most of the world in a Siberian Tiger vessel with out attracting some notice... Why bother anyways? A cute little mutt cat will work just as well... David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:18:18 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Animal Language's - --On Fri, Apr 28, 2000 10:08 AM -0500 David Rodemaker wrote: >> Sorry 'bout that. Hey, it's about as useful as Gabriel's Detect >> Cruelty stuff, or maybe Elohim of the Wind... Nobody said the >> attunements were _balanced_. (You want to see "balance," look at >> GURPS IN -- that lists the costs.) > > I have never been particularly worried about balance > between characters, I always figured that was part of the fun. It > only gets bad when you get to the Rifts-level of disparity. > Plus, there's the fun of watching this truth dawn on a playing group: Being more powerful doesn't make you *better*, it just enables you to make a higher class of mistake. Marc. Just Marc. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:43:47 -0500 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: IN> Player mistakes > Plus, there's the fun of watching this truth dawn on a playing > group: Being more powerful doesn't make you *better*, it just enables > you to make a higher class of mistake. Oh yes, I don't run the IN campaign I just help with it alot and run "guest NPC's" along with my character. But in my own campaigns (Cyberpunk and a Home-Brew Fantasy) I love the look you get when the players figure out that they just caused the a mojor political change or that they just killed the *wrong* person or whatever. The other issue is that a lot of players cannot handle a powerful character, playing that Word=Bound with a Major Word and a buch of other stuff is a whole different ball-game from a 12 Force Mercurian with a Vassal level distinction. Most GM's don't want to try to run a really high-powered game because doing it right takes a lot of work... It seems to me BTW that In seems to have a ceiling at about 12 or so forces and middle-level distinction to really work well as a game. Keeping in mind differences in GM and player styles what does everyone else think? Beyond that the characters really get powerful very, very quickly and the game really seems to take on a very different flavor and the amount of house rules seems to explode... David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:12:07 -0500 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: IN> Previously Published Words (Long) After quietly asking if there were any plans to come up with a Canon answer to the Words that have already been published our beloved Archangel suggested that if someone put the list below together to help speed the process along and that she might get to it in her copious amounts of free time. After some chatting back and forth it has been suggested that the issue get thrown onto the list for discussion. What I've done is give the Book and then the name of the character followed by personal forces, page reference #, the word itself, and *my* idea for where the word should fall in the GMG catagories. (I hearby place my suggestion that this is how all Words get handled in future supplements BTW. It gives the GM final say, plays with the players minds, but gives the GM an idea of how powerful the writer thought the word should be... has anyone else argued about the words in Night Music?) My suggestion would be to email me direct your thoughts if you do all the Words to avoid clogging the list. After the discussion dies down I'll repost whatever the consensus seems to be and then mayby Beth can make a pronouncement from on High (I wonder if she gets a funny hat to wear when she does that?) BTW: If there is Canon on a Word I have included it anyways as a reference so that everything is one place. I have also ignored Tether-words and included only those Words that have other Game Stats included (Sorry, Orion is out! But I did include the Demon of Sorcery) David In Nomine MRB: Orc, 16, p195, Networks, Significant? Lynoure, 13, p196, Shadow Shapes, Minor? GM Pack and Screen: Hamet, 15, p28, Private Shame, Important? Night Music: Tania, 15, p24, Suicide, Important Word Canon Druiel, 13, p80, Teenage Death, Significant? Tomas, 12, p82, Catchy Tunes, Significant? Lauren,12, p87, Strippers, Minor Word? Wrenchiel, 14, p90, Amps, Minor? Firfur, 15, p125, Hardcore (Pre-Prince), Minor Word? The Marches: Hatiphas, ??, p69, Sorcery, Major? Heaven and Hell: Caveatal, 15, p26, Loopholes, Important? Randolph, 12, p35, Dictionaries, Important? Staciel, 14, p95, Intrigue, Major? Karne, 15, p101, Fast Food, Minor? Molvina, 12, p107, Plagarism, Significant? Beartador, 16, p110, Steam, Significant? Fall of the Malakim: Salem, 15, p16, Cities, Major Word Canon Absinthia James, 11, p45, Writer's Block, Minor Word Canon Frank (Hezakel), 5 (?), p101, Directors, Minor? Jurgen, 12, p102, Self-Indulgence, Important? The Final Trumpet: Vevaliah, 15, p20, Supply Lines, Significant? Mot, 14, p30, Misfires, Minor? Maigonigal, 10, p41, Bad Art, Minor? Publius, 14, p50, Newspaper Letter Columns, Minor? Fugit, 15, p69, Messages, Important? Lagopus, 11, p70, Bad Tidings, Important? Koriel, 13, p71, Equal Truth, Important? Uzal, 17, p78, Insubordination, Major? Rikbiel, 16, p116, Ascension, Major? Superiors 1: Salem, 15, p33, Cities (See also FotM), Major Word Canon Mihr, 15, p57, Mercy, Major? Curtis, 14, p96, Etiquette, Important? Nisroc, 15, p126, Spies, Significant? Superiors 2: Athan, 12, p27, Teenage Crushes, 4WF Canon Jaala, 12, p58, Shopping Binges, 3WF Canon Anteron, 12, p81, Embarrassing Revelations, 7WF Canon Rex, 15, p108, Cool, 14WF Canon Harrishee, 12, Sensationalism, 6WF Canon You are Here: No Game Stats or Word Bound other than probable Seneschals Liber Reliquarum: Rikbiel, 16, p107, Ascension, (See TFT), Major? Foras, 16, p123, Mad Science, Minor? Manaxiel, 14, p124, Tinkering, Significant? Ilirael, 13, p124, Protective Boons, Minor? Liber Canticorum: Israfel, 17, p8, Music, Major Word Canon Liber Castellorum: No Game Stats or Word Bound other than probable Seneschals Liber Servitorum: No Word Bound ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1598 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.