From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed May 10 14:39:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA17094 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 14:39:06 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id OAA12499 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 10 May 2000 14:37:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:37:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200005101937.OAA12499@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1620 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, May 10 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1620 In this digest: Re: IN> Chess Re: IN> Chess Re: IN> Grigori Re: IN> Jack Chick Re: IN> Jack Chick Re: IN> Jack Chick Re: IN> Crete, Thera, Atlantis (no longer "Cool Lilith Quote") Re: IN> Chess Re: IN> Crete, Thera, Atlantis (no longer "Cool Lilith Quote") Re: IN> Chess Re: IN> Chess Re: IN> Crete, Thera, Atlantis (no longer "Cool Lilith Quote") Re: IN> Chess Re: IN> Chess Re: IN> Crete, Thera, Atlantis (no longer "Cool Lilith Quote") Re: IN> Jack Chick Re: IN> Crete, Thera, Atlantis (no longer "Cool Lilith Quote") Re: IN> A friendly Hello, and various things of note... IN> Jack Chick In Nomine Re: IN> A friendly Hello, and various things of note... Re: IN> A friendly Hello, and various things of note... Re: IN> Jack Chick In Nomine Re: IN> Jack Chick In Nomine Re: IN> Jack Chick In Nomine Re: IN> Cool Lilith Quote Re: IN> Grigori Re: IN> Cool Lilith Quote (sociology rant - long) Re: IN> Cool Lilith Quote (sociology rant - long) Re: IN> Re:art work Re: IN> Cool Lilith Quote Re: IN> Cool Lilith Quote (sociology rant - long) Re: Dissent! (Re: IN> New Heretic Superior (Yup, another one) Re: IN> Chess Re: IN> Crete, Thera, Atlantis (no longer "Cool Lilith Quote") Re: IN> Jack Chick In Nomine ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:21:51 -0400 From: "A.Hamilton" Subject: Re: IN> Chess - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mink" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 11:02 AM Subject: IN> Chess > hmm.. once more i got to thinking about a good game of chess.... but i wasnt > happy with the peices. so i got out the play doh and made some special > peices. > the question is, who would you folks use for each peice. > here is who/what i'd use Hmm. I'd suggest the following: King: Yves Queen: Gabriel or Novalis. Bishop: Dom and Laurence (The whole supporing the catholic church thing) Rook: Mike and Jordi Castle: David and Blandine Pawns: Possibly Releivers. (or if your going for a dark game; Humans) King: Kronos Queen: Lilith Bishop: Nybbis and Vapula (the new religion) Rook: Ba'al and Belial Castle: Asmodeus and Beleth. Pawns: Zombies? That's just off the top of my head. A.Hamilton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:23:21 -0400 From: "Galen G. Silversmith" Subject: Re: IN> Chess > Return-Path: mink@tinyonline.co.uk > queen: the earth Gabriel - the earth isn't an AA. Its almost a plane onto itself. > king: yves Michael. Strictly, he fits better as a knight than the king, but he is the most proud and finest of the angels. Yves has a better place, in my heart, as a rook or bishop. > bishop: dominic + khalid Khalid and Yves. > rook (the horse bloke): michael + laurance You mean knight. Laurance and Janus. Dominic, would be interestingas he's always seemed slightly chaotic to me, and the bouncing around has an interesting symbolism. > castle: david + novalis Rooks: David and Dominic.. Bladine, Novalis, Janus, Christopher, some of the dead. other secondary AA's all fit well. These two seem to fit best with the other options. > pawns: malakites I'd go with a junior member of each choir (which is 7). THe last could be a grigori or a reliver, or one of the celestial only choirs. Demons: King: Lucifer would be unfair, but this is hell. Queen: Lilith Bishops: Kobal and Andrealphus? Kronos and Nybbas would also fit well. Knights: Beleth and Valefor Rooks: Kronos and Baal Pawns: Haagenti fits here oh so well... Some variants, maybe... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:25:36 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Grigori - --On Wed, May 10, 2000 11:22 -0400 Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 10:53 AM -0400 5/10/00, Thorne wrote: >> Hey all, >> Anyone have any idea when more info on the Grigori or their children >> will be out? > > Hopefully in June, when GURPS IN shows up. (No, don't buy it just for > that alone, that would be cruddy; buy it for that and the GURPS-to- > In Nomine conversion that will let you use the GURPS historical books > for your IN games...) > > (Or, for true alphabet soup... > For a crossover, you can have IN and the WoD via GURPS IN and GURPS > V:TM! Now all you need is GURPS IOU and you're set... laughter>) *ahem* > Ow! You hurt my brain. Beth, this is revenge for suggesting the Paranoia / In Nomine crossover, isn't it? Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation (Ow. Quit it. Ow. Quit it. Ow. Quit it.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:35:50 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Jack Chick At 9:40 AM -0500 5/10/00, David Edelstein wrote: >Whistling in the Dark wrote: >> And, for... another take, please feel free to read >> . Remember, if >> it's a Jack T. Chick tract, you know what you're getting into! >> >> (It doesn't even need the MSTing. You can stare at it aghast without >> any help at all!) > >Oh, God. I suddenly had a vision of "Jack Chick In Nomine," a campaign >variation based on Chick's theology. I think I just had an aneurism. Come on, David -- you wrote the GMG. Now you _clearly_ need to write up "Chickism" and the Chick-flavored "In Nomine By The Books" D-head... O:> - --Beth, catching up as she can, typing with a baby (iolanthe) in her lap and no computer desk -- the keyboard shares the lap, and the trackball sits on a pile of GURPS books. I want the computer desk back! Moving is a hassle. (PS: may be typing with 1 hand, or even toe! Please forgive capitalization.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:25:44 -0600 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Jack Chick >Oh, God. I suddenly had a vision of "Jack Chick In Nomine," a campaign >variation based on Chick's theology. I think I just had an aneurism. That's scary man. Real scary. Hmm, I bet Jack Chick is really a demon. Probably with the word of "World Wide Satanic Conspiracies" or "Psychotic Rantings about Totally Innocent Things", definetly a servitor of Kobal. A Habbalite of Kobal. This has possibilities (cue the evil laughter). Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus My international broadcasting agency: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:25:48 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Jack Chick David Edelstein wrote: > Oh, God. I suddenly had a vision of "Jack Chick In Nomine," a > campaign variation based on Chick's theology. I think I just had > an aneurism. An RPG in which RPGs are a front for Satanism. (As are the Catholic Church, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Masons...) Where's my migraine medicine? I am reminded of the sermon delivered to the Church of the Quivvering Brethren, in "Cold Comfort Farm," which starts out: "You're all damned!" Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:29:32 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Crete, Thera, Atlantis (no longer "Cool Lilith Quote") - --On Wed, May 10, 2000 11:18 -0500 Earl Wajenberg wrote: > > Then there's the suggestion that Thera/Crete is the origin of > the Atlantis story. Scenario: Heaven tries to create a utopia, > as it would later try to do in Camelot, only this one was on Thera. > A huge fraction of the population are Soldiers of God. They have > some interesting pre-Abrahamic theology the GM can make up. > Things are going so beautifully that Hell can't stand it and, > not having polished their subtle arts of corruption much at this > point in history, send in Belial to nuke the place. Oannes > defends, losing his life, but buying time for other celestials to > evacuate the Therans/Atlanteans, who can then seed surrounding > cultures with surviving fragments of enlightenment in the grand > tradition of Atlanteans everywhere. > An intriuging notion, but back up a step. The Isle of Apples was a creation of Heaven? Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation (Needs a new travel agent!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:31:30 -0400 From: "A.Hamilton" Subject: Re: IN> Chess > Rook: Mike and Jordi > > Rook: Ba'al and Belial > > A.Hamilton Bah. As someone poitned out, those two Rooks should be Knights. *mumblemumble* A.Hamilton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:35:00 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Crete, Thera, Atlantis (no longer "Cool Lilith Quote") Marc Bowden wrote: > An intriuging notion, but back up a step. The Isle of Apples > was a creation of Heaven? Or at least an ally. Blandine is on good terms with the Seelie and other bright-toned Ethereals, as I recall, and would SURELY want to help keep the dream of Camleot alive -- and isn't Camelot pre-Purity-Crusade? Or couldn't it be made to be? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:42:41 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> Chess > King: Lucifer would be unfair, but this is hell. Nor would he put himself in such an obvious position. Make Lucifer a bishop, and give Baal the king dude. That keeps Baal in charge of Hell's armies, and puts Lucifer in a sneaky, subtle, sideline position. > Queen: Lilith Let's be realistic here. Lilith would be a pawn. A decorative, pretty pawn, no doubt, but a pawn nonetheless. She'd be one of those pawns that does that cool french-named move where you pass somebody who is next to you and still kill them, but she'd still be a pawn. If you want a real queen of Hell, pick Beleth. Or Andrealphus. ( :) ) Or Kobal. (That's FUNNY! Ok, that's a stretch. Ok, Beleth it is.) > Bishops: Kobal and Andrealphus? Kronos and Nybbas would also fit well. Lucifer and Asmodeus, no doubt. > Knights: Beleth and Valefor ? ?? Hell's knights. Warriors you move into position before you strike. Sneaky folks. Almost wanna put Vapula and Nybbas there, the last and arguably most effective of Hell's warriors in subverting mankind... and the ones who have been Hell's most effective left hook. > Rooks: Kronos and Baal Rooks are the piledrivers of the chessboard, and need something that can cut a swath through any unsuspecting pieces. Mmmmm. Swath. Haagenti. And maybe put Belial on the other end, as Hell's other Mr. Destructo. > Pawns: Haagenti fits here oh so well... Nah. There'd be no undead as the pawns, no demons as the pawns. Nope. Just humans. Lots of humans. And Lilith. Where, you ask, is Kronos in all of this, if he's been fired from his bishop position? Simple, friend -- someone has to be PLAYING the game, after all.... Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:00:31 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Chess Oddly enough, I've been planning to write an Angel and Demon of Chess when I get the time. (Comes from recently retaking up the study of the game, and go, though both have been subsumed by my recent passion for the V:TES CCG.) > Let's be realistic here. Lilith would be a pawn. A decorative, pretty> pawn, no doubt, but a pawn nonetheless. She'd be one of those pawns that> does that cool french-named move where you pass somebody who is next to you> and still kill them, but she'd still be a pawn. "En passant." _Any_ pawn can do that. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:54:57 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Crete, Thera, Atlantis (no longer "Cool Lilith Quote") - --On Wed, May 10, 2000 11:35 -0500 Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Marc Bowden wrote: > >> An intriuging notion, but back up a step. The Isle of Apples >> was a creation of Heaven? > > Or at least an ally. Blandine is on good terms with the Seelie > and other bright-toned Ethereals, as I recall, and would SURELY > want to help keep the dream of Camleot alive -- and isn't Camelot > pre-Purity-Crusade? Or couldn't it be made to be? > Likely so, for the sake of the peace. I take it then that the prohibition against men setting foot on the Isle doesn't apply anymore? Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:03:39 PDT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Chess >From: David Edelstein >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.co > > > Let's be realistic here. Lilith would be a pawn. A decorative, pretty> >pawn, no doubt, but a pawn nonetheless. She'd be one of those pawns that> >does that cool french-named move where you pass somebody who is next to >you> and still kill them, but she'd still be a pawn. > >"En passant." _Any_ pawn can do that. > And any pawn can become a queen too ... jo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:06:46 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Chess - --On Wed, May 10, 2000 11:00 -0500 David Edelstein wrote: > Oddly enough, I've been planning to write an Angel and Demon of Chess > when I get the time. (Comes from recently retaking up the study of the > game, and go, though both have been subsumed by my recent passion for > the V:TES CCG.) > >> Let's be realistic here. Lilith would be a pawn. A decorative, >> pretty> pawn, no doubt, but a pawn nonetheless. She'd be one of >> those pawns that> does that cool french-named move where you pass >> somebody who is next to you> and still kill them, but she'd still be >> a pawn. > > "En passant." _Any_ pawn can do that. > > -David Yes, but usually the other pawns don't get rushed as fast. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation (One night in Zion and the world's your oyster.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:16:41 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Crete, Thera, Atlantis (no longer "Cool Lilith Quote") Marc Bowden wrote: > An intriuging notion, but back up a step. The Isle of Apples > was a creation of Heaven? Then I wrote: > Or at least an ally. Blandine is on good terms with the Seelie > and other bright-toned Ethereals, as I recall, and would SURELY > want to help keep the dream of Camleot alive -- and isn't Camelot > pre-Purity-Crusade? Or couldn't it be made to be? Then Marc wrote: > Likely so, for the sake of the peace. I take it then that the > prohibition against men setting foot on the Isle doesn't apply > anymore? Um. I'm getting lost. We're talking about Avalon, right? I didn't know there was a prohibition about men setting foot on it, but if there was, I assume Arthur (this *is* the man we're talking about?) was granted a waivier, since the most famous thing about Avalon is that it's where Arthur went. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:14:39 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Jack Chick At 9:40 AM -0500 5/10/00, David Edelstein wrote: >Whistling in the Dark wrote: > > And, for... another take, please feel free to read > > . Remember, if > > it's a Jack T. Chick tract, you know what you're getting into! > > > > (It doesn't even need the MSTing. You can stare at it aghast without > > any help at all!) > > >Oh, God. I suddenly had a vision of "Jack Chick In Nomine," a campaign >variation based on Chick's theology. I think I just had an aneurism. Well, first, the only Angelic Words would be Words from the KJV version of the bible. Second, all the Archangels are male and look like Tom Skerritt.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:33:41 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Crete, Thera, Atlantis (no longer "Cool Lilith Quote") At 12:16 PM -0500 5/10/00, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >Marc Bowden wrote: > > > Likely so, for the sake of the peace. I take it then that the > > prohibition against men setting foot on the Isle doesn't apply > > anymore? > >Um. I'm getting lost. We're talking about Avalon, right? >I didn't know there was a prohibition about men setting foot on >it, but if there was, I assume Arthur (this *is* the man we're >talking about?) was granted a waivier, since the most famous thing >about Avalon is that it's where Arthur went. I'm thinking Marc may be using Marion Zimmer Bradley as his source for the Paradise Island treatment for Avalon. There's no primary source in the Arthurian Folklore that I've seen that has such a stricture. (My working IN theory is that Laurence used "Bedivere" as a Vessel and Role for his primary job -- demonslaying -- at the time, and that the whole endgame with Arthur and Exalibur was largely responsible for his receiving the Word he did. However, I think that violates canon. Not that I'll change my working theory, but those caveats are important.) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:48:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Philip J. Moyer" Subject: Re: IN> A friendly Hello, and various things of note... In reply to "Erich S. Arendall" at Tue, 09 May 2000 20:22:34 GMT: >>http://www.jurai.net/~pmoyer/IN2070/Prose/mariel.res.html > This was simply brilliant, Philip. Shame on you for keeping it hidden > for so long! *looks embarassed* Thank you! *^_^* And, well, it -did- take me a while to write. Life's been funny that way of late... ^_-; *mutters something about still needing to complete Mariel's writeup one of these days...* > Love the site design, and the general idea of the campaign. Damn. Why > can I never find these games when they're just getting started? While > I'm not tired of running games, I'd like to *play* one again! It's a conspiricy, obviously. Probably a collab between a servitor of Alameon and the Demon of RPG's... And I'd like to think that the idea for the campaign is hopefully pretty interesting. *wg* > Still, thanks for taking the time to come out of lurk mode and join > us. I think I speak for the rest of us when I say "more! more!" *^_^* In time, in time... ^_^ There's this little thing called "work" that tends to sap creativity like a black hole, and this other thing called "sleep" that tends to eat up the time not being taken by "Work"... ^_-; But rest assured, I've got... plans. They'll just take time to come to fruition, that's all. Thanks again! - --- Philip Philip Moyer----------------Qapla'-------------pmoyer@jurai.net "To boldly go where no one has gone before!"-Capt. J. L. Picard "Roads? Where we're going we don't NEED roads!"-Dr. E. L. Brown "If it can be dreamed, It can be done."- ReRob Mandeville "Someday we'll find it, the Rainbow Connection, The Lovers, - ---------- The Dreamers, and Me."- Kermit The Frog ------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:54:08 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Jack Chick In Nomine Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > Come on, David -- you wrote the GMG. Now you _clearly_> need to write up "Chickism" and the Chick-flavored "In Nomine By The > Books" D-head... O:> @D-HEAD:Chickism @BODY:A particularly vitriolic form of fundamentalist Christianity based on the writings of Jack Chick. Chickism is best known for the hundreds of small comic tracts distributed by Chick Publishing, which are typically left in bus stations, laundromats, libraries, and other places as a form of proselytization. "Chickism" is not truly a denomination, but merely a collection of beliefs held by the most extreme conservative branches of fundamentalist Protestantism. The most important themes are literal Biblical inerrancy and exclusive salvation through Jesus Christ. What distinguishes Chickism from "mainstream" fundamentalism is its virulent, paranoid worldview, in which virtually all expressions of popular culture and all beliefs at odds with Chickism are created and directed by Satan. Chickists believe that Satan and his demonic minions are very active in the world and manifest corporeally on a regular basis. While most fundamentalists would agree with Chick's basic tenets, that Jews, Muslims, Hindus, pagans, atheists, etc., are all going to Hell, Chickists go further and consider anyone who disagrees with them on a single point (even other fundamentalists) to be serving the Devil, wittingly or not. Chickism is particularly rabid with regards to Roman Catholicism, which Chick believes to be a powerful Satanic organization that has, Illuminati-like, infiltrated most governments and other world religions. Other "tools of the Devil" include rock and roll, fantasy and science fiction (and indeed, any work of fiction that is not explicitly Chickist), and (of course) role playing games. @D-HEAD:Jack Chick In Nomine @BODY:Use all the rules for New Testament In Nomine (Game Master's Guide, pp.79-80), but remove any doubt as to the status of Jesus Christ; he is the Messiah, and one with God, and he now actively sits on the Throne of Heaven and personally directs the affairs of angels. There are no political conflicts in Heaven; each Archangel may have a slightly different perspective on how to serve God, but they do not argue, and all angels act with perfect knowledge of the Divine. All angels are Protestant Christians, and there are no non-Protestant souls in Heaven. All Soldiers of God must also be conservative Christian Protestants. @BODY:Demons are very active in a Jack Chick-based campaign, and can be represented much as they are in the main rulebook. The difference is that the primary goal of Satan/Lucifer (and thus, all of his minions) is leading humans away from Jesus Christ. Demon Princes may squabble amongst themselves, but they all agree that Christianity is the greatest threat to their power, and thus wield their Words in such a way as to lead humanity into other belief system, by whatever means necessary. All religious institutions except fundamentalist Protestant Christian churches (and many of them too!) are infiltrated by demons. Obviously, Laurence is not affiliated with the Roman Catholic Church in this setting! @BODY:Playing diabolicals in a Jack Chick campaign will probably not be appealing, since it is taken for granted that in any confrontation between the infernal and the divine, the infernals will lose. Physical confrontations between angels and demons should be avoided, since angels, invested with the holy Word of Jesus Christ, are guaranteed to prevail. A Chick campaign will work best as a series of morality plays; celestials don't fight each other directly, but compete to influence individual mortals toward or away from God. @BODY:Rules changes might include granting special powers to anyone who truly accepts Jesus as his Lord and Savior. Any believing Christian may be capable of exorcising or driving away a demon just by invoking the name of Jesus in prayer, for example. Some Chickists believe that demons, even Satan himself, are simply unable to harm a Saved person, who has the protection of Jesus Christ. This would make Christians, like angels, effectively immune to any diabolical powers. If this is true, then demons would approach Christians the same way they do angels -- not by trying to harm them directly, but by trying to deceive and tempt them, since the only way to affect them is to make them lose their faith. (Alternatively, perhaps demons can physically harm a believer -- though being Saved would still make someone immune to a diabolical resonance -- but since killing a believer just sends them straight to Heaven, it's not considered productive.) @BODY:It is recommended that all angels have the Rite "Save a soul" (i.e., cause a human to accept Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior). Likewise, all demons would have the Rite "Lead a soul to damnation" -- but the Essence is only collectible upon the human's death, since only then is his fate assured. This Rite would be worth +2 Essence if the damned human was formerly Saved. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:02:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Philip J. Moyer" Subject: Re: IN> A friendly Hello, and various things of note... In reply to "Tafka J." at Tue, 9 May 2000 18:39:52 -0500 : > Pretty-pretty. . . Now, who'se souls can I sell to get that good at >art? *heh-heh-heh* It's called "Practice"... *pause* Unless, of course, you want to enter a 'negotiation' with the Demon of Artistic Success, a Lilim of Kronos, who'll be -more- than willing to help sponsor your art lessons for a reasonable price... *Ayrie and her fellow servitors of Creation gang up on the Demon of Artistic Success, and pound the living snot outta her.* ... or not. ;) Really, though, a couple of art courses, observation of the world around you, and repeated practice, practice, practice, practice works wonders. ^_^ (though there's zillions out there infinitely better than me at this. *wl* ) > If you want, I can show you my Ofanite (done in P-Shop, a Tool of the >Devil if you ask me! *Thanks go out to those of you who HAVE reponded >positively*) and the Game version of Betharan(tm). . . I believe I saw that a while back... not bad, especially with the matching Tebah... and I'd be more inclined to say that Photoshop is just a tool, it's the mind behind it using it that matters. ;) (just like Words, when you think about it... hmmm.. Angel/Demon of Photoshop? Or is that just silly?) In reply to Whistling in the Dark at Tue, 9 May 2000 19:52:56 -0400: > I've long been a fan of Philip's art, but one of the best pieces in > his total lexicon *has* to be the Fiat Justina movie poster. Wow. *blush in embarrasment* Thanks! I still kick myself over having forgotten the "Let Justice Be Done" tagline in that, though. ^_-; And for a pure-photoshop work it's good, but not as good as some of Amy Borden's Photoshop works.... -whoooo-. Yummynummy Seraphim and Cherubim. In reply to "Tafka J." at Tue, 9 May 2000 22:55:45 -0500: > Yeah. It's veddy nice. I like the pic of Betharan myself. . . But > hey. *grin* Thank you! ^_^ That one took a while, though, due to trying to get Betharan herself looking right. But it came out all right in the end. - --- Philip Philip Moyer----------------Qapla'-------------pmoyer@jurai.net "To boldly go where no one has gone before!"-Capt. J. L. Picard "Roads? Where we're going we don't NEED roads!"-Dr. E. L. Brown "If it can be dreamed, It can be done."- ReRob Mandeville "Someday we'll find it, the Rainbow Connection, The Lovers, - ---------- The Dreamers, and Me."- Kermit The Frog ------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:06:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Philip J. Moyer" Subject: Re: IN> A friendly Hello, and various things of note... In reply to "Rev. Pee Kitty" at Wed, 10 May 2000 02:30:02 -0400 (EDT) : >> http://www.jurai.net/~pmoyer/IN2070/Prose/mariel.res.html >Very, very nice! I've filed that one away in the back of my mind as a >possible campaign seed...theft is the sincerest form of flattery. :) Thank you! ^_^ Though, personally, I feel what Vapula attempted to do - -next- after that would make a better campaign seed... but that, as they say, is another story... ;) (and one to be told another day... ahh, such is life) But the steps leading up to the text above, yes, would make a nice Angelic/Demonic campaign seed IMO, if properly tweaked. ^_- Tour the Principalities, and don't get caught! - --- Philip Philip Moyer----------------Qapla'-------------pmoyer@jurai.net "To boldly go where no one has gone before!"-Capt. J. L. Picard "Roads? Where we're going we don't NEED roads!"-Dr. E. L. Brown "If it can be dreamed, It can be done."- ReRob Mandeville "Someday we'll find it, the Rainbow Connection, The Lovers, - ---------- The Dreamers, and Me."- Kermit The Frog ------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:18:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Jack Chick In Nomine ............................................................ woah. It's gonna take me a while to pick the pieces of my brain up off the floor. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emily K. Dresner -- http://www.nodonut.com/zenith Read No Donut -- Gaming, Politics, Conspiracy, Computers, and other fun stuff at http://www.nodonut.com/. Pat says "I'm not real until I'm in the palmpilot!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:39:38 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Jack Chick In Nomine At 11:54 AM -0500 5/10/00, David Edelstein wrote: >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> Come on, David -- you wrote the GMG. Now you _clearly_ >> need to write up "Chickism" and the Chick-flavored "In Nomine By The >> Books" D-head... O:> [and he _does_ it!] I _like_ it! I guess I really _am_ a "demon princess" in yhat universe... O:> - --Beth, catching up as she can, typing with a baby (iolanthe) in her lap and no computer desk -- the keyboard shares the lap, and the trackball sits on a pile of GURPS books. I want the computer desk back! Moving is a hassle. (PS: may be typing with 1 hand, or even toe! Please forgive capitalization.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:58:26 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Jack Chick In Nomine At 1:39 PM -0400 5/10/00, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 11:54 AM -0500 5/10/00, David Edelstein wrote: > >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> Come on, David -- you wrote the GMG. Now you _clearly_ > >> need to write up "Chickism" and the Chick-flavored "In Nomine By The > >> Books" D-head... O:> > >[and he _does_ it!] > > I _like_ it! > >I guess I really _am_ a "demon princess" in yhat universe... Well, yeah. You're a *girl.* And look *nothing* like Tom Skerritt. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:31:31 +0100 From: "Liam Astley" Subject: Re: IN> Cool Lilith Quote From: Emily Dresner > > The Catholic Encyclopedia lives at http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/. It > might behoove you to look these things up for yourself. > cute site, especially the main announcement. i never realised you could get into heaven for web design :) liam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:15:59 -0500 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> Grigori > (Now, if GURPS IN draws a lot of people into buying the other IN books, > that will probably encourage people to put several things on the > schedule. Grigori material may be among them. We'll probably start > knowing in June or July whether the "wouldn't-touch-another-system- > with-a-ten-foot-polearm" GURPSers are getting hooked.) Ahem... I actually own all the GURPS Traveller books and and handful of the other GURPS books. I just don't play the system. The Other David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:32:05 +0100 From: "Liam Astley" Subject: Re: IN> Cool Lilith Quote (sociology rant - long) From: Marc Bowden > Just my opinion, now, but wouldn't this be a lesser Word under the > Word of Envy? i dunno, sexism sounds like a big-ass word in and of itself to me liam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:40:22 PDT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Cool Lilith Quote (sociology rant - long) >From: "Liam Astley" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > >From: Marc Bowden > > Just my opinion, now, but wouldn't this be a lesser Word under the > > Word of Envy? > >i dunno, sexism sounds like a big-ass word in and of itself to me > > I suspect Sexism might be quite a new word. For most of human existence, the concept of it being bad to treat different genders differently just didn't really exist. It just happened and was accepted. jo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:51:37 +0100 From: "Liam Astley" Subject: Re: IN> Re:art work From: mink > > if any one could tell me where to get the alternate celestial forms from i'd > be grateful. > thanks for the art addresses. i like what i see at last. > you can probably look them up in the list archive. the subject like was "make-overs" or something. oops, i just realised i spelt "ofanim" as "ophanim". i'm a bear of very little brain, i guess i was getting confused with an lrp game i've been writing the background for recently, it features some mysterious creatures called "orphanim" liam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:51:26 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Cool Lilith Quote At 7:31 PM +0100 5/10/00, Liam Astley wrote: >From: Emily Dresner > > > > The Catholic Encyclopedia lives at http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/. It > > might behoove you to look these things up for yourself. > > > >cute site, especially the main announcement. i never realised you could get >into heaven for web design :) Destiny works in arcane ways... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:02:41 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Cool Lilith Quote (sociology rant - long) Jo Hart wrote: > I suspect Sexism might be quite a new word. For most of human existence, the> concept of it being bad to treat different genders differently just didn't> really exist. It just happened and was accepted. That's my take on it as well. "Sexism," "racism," and most other "isms" are modern inventions. They've been *practiced* for a long time, but they'd fall under various demons of Prejudice, Oppression, and the like, all serving Malphas. As human concepts, they're fairly recent. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 20:04:22 +0100 From: "Liam Astley" Subject: Re: Dissent! (Re: IN> New Heretic Superior (Yup, another one) From: David Edelstein > You know, I'm gonna be ornery (just 'cause I do it so well) and tell you > why I *didn't* like the Malakite version of Novalis. (The list has also > been boring lately, so....) > That said, duck and cover. heh. sometimes this list reminds me of a nature documentary... "..and as the posters flock and preen over their fresh write-up, they fail to notice a lone edelstein lurking in the nearby grass. the edelstein, a solitary predator, waits until the posters quieten and slow, stretching and tensing the vital finger muscles he uses in an attack, then... he POUNCES!" liam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:29:20 -0500 From: Matt Trent Subject: Re: IN> Chess "Galen G. Silversmith" wrote: > > > Return-Path: mink@tinyonline.co.uk > > queen: the earth > > Gabriel - the earth isn't an AA. Its almost a plane onto itself. Novalis is an option that shouldn't be overlooked; however, the normal actions of the queen running across the board causing mayhem do fit Gabby more. Earth? Is this supposed to be a New Age IN Chess Set? > > king: yves > > Michael. Strictly, he fits better as a knight than the king, but he is the > most proud and finest of the angels. Yves has a better place, in my heart, > as a rook or bishop. Strictly speaking it should be Laurance's post as the commander of the Heavenly Hosts, but since he fits sooo much better as a bishop I think Michael should get the throne. > > bishop: dominic + khalid > > Khalid and Yves. No! Laurance and Khalid each represent a different religion (though I wonder how Khalid would react to being told he was cast as a Bishop...) > > rook (the horse bloke): michael + laurance > > You mean knight. > Laurance and Janus. Dominic, would be interestingas he's > always seemed slightly chaotic to me, and the bouncing around has an > interesting symbolism. Defiantly Dominic and Janus though for very different reason. Janus because knights 'break' the rules that all the other pieces have to follow, and Dominic because I like the image of him bending rules to bring Janus to justice. > > castle: david + novalis > > Rooks: David and Dominic.. Bladine, Novalis, Janus, Christopher, some of the > dead. other secondary AA's all fit well. These two seem to fit best with > the other options. David and Balendine. David because of his affinity for stonework and Balendine for residing in her tower. > > pawns: malakites > > I'd go with a junior member of each choir (which is 7). THe last could be > a grigori or a reliver, or one of the celestial only choirs. Good idea. I'd go for the inclusion of a Grigori to make it an even 8 pawns. > Demons: > King: Lucifer would be unfair, but this is hell. I'd think really hard about putting Baal here since he should always go opposite of Michael. > Queen: Lilith Right > Bishops: Kobal and Andrealphus? Kronos and Nybbas would also fit well. Nah. Andre and Nybbas. Remember their planed Church of the Media? > Knights: Beleth and Valefor How about Valefor and Asmodeos to complement the white Knights? > Rooks: Kronos and Baal Beleth and Malphus. > Pawns: Haagenti fits here oh so well... Silly! The 7 bands again plus a demonling (or a Fallen Grig - their name escapes me right now). > Some variants, maybe... The most important pair that I've left out is Kronos and Yves so if you'd like to include them probably the best place would be to switch their pieces with David and Malphus'. Remember that Chess is all about symmetry. Trent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:34:56 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Crete, Thera, Atlantis (no longer "Cool Lilith Quote") - --On Wed, May 10, 2000 12:33 -0400 Whistling in the Dark wrote: > At 12:16 PM -0500 5/10/00, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >> Marc Bowden wrote: >> >> > Likely so, for the sake of the peace. I take it then that the >> > prohibition against men setting foot on the Isle doesn't apply >> > anymore? >> >> Um. I'm getting lost. We're talking about Avalon, right? >> I didn't know there was a prohibition about men setting foot on >> it, but if there was, I assume Arthur (this *is* the man we're >> talking about?) was granted a waivier, since the most famous thing >> about Avalon is that it's where Arthur went. > > I'm thinking Marc may be using Marion Zimmer Bradley as his source > for the Paradise Island treatment for Avalon. There's no primary > source in the Arthurian Folklore that I've seen that has such a > stricture. > I must've been munging two different mythologies in my head - the Isle of Apples being a completely seperate thing from Avalon - I was working from Geoffrey of Monmouth's interpretation (c. 1139). I've never read anything by Marion Zimmer Bradley, Anne McCaffrey, or Robert Jordan. Uh...this means I'm Outcast, doesn't it? Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation Hic iacet sepultus inculytus Rex Arturius in Insula Avalonia. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:37:19 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Jack Chick In Nomine Wow. That was almost pure evil. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1620 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.