From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed May 17 17:02:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA11570 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:02:23 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id RAA23147 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:00:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:00:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200005172200.RAA23147@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1631 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, May 17 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1631 In this digest: Re: IN> UGG! Re: IN> Question - Vessels & death IN> Some In Nomine Fan Art Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1630 Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1630 Re: IN> Question - Vessels & death Re: IN> S3's Cover Art (Funky Mushrooms? You decide!) Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will Re: IN> Some In Nomine Fan Art Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1630 Fwd: Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will IN> An Eli/Cyberpunk Question For You All... Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1630 Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will Re: IN>Another In Nomine crossover Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will Re: Fwd: Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will Re: IN> An Eli/Cyberpunk Question For You All... Re: IN> UGG! Re: IN> Check amongst yourselves... Re: IN> UGG! Not really Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will anymore Also not really Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will anymore... Really not Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will ... oh, you get the point. :) Re: Really not Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will ... oh, you get the point. :) Re: IN> Question - Vessels & death Re: IN> How do I know you're what you say you are? Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will IN> [FLUFF] IN HHGttG Re: Really not Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will ... oh, you get the point. :) Re: IN> [FLUFF] IN HHGttG Re: Really not Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will ... oh, you get the point. :) Re: Really not Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will ... oh, you get the point. :) Re: IN> Some In Nomine Fan Art Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will Re: IN> An Eli/Cyberpunk Question For You All... Re: Really not Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will ... oh, you get the point. :) Re: Really not Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will ... oh, you get the point. :) Re: Really not Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will ... oh, you get the point. :) Re: IN> I just had to share... Re: IN> An Eli/Cyberpunk Question For You All... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:01:58 -0500 From: Jonathan B Lotzer Subject: Re: IN> UGG! Very cool. Reminds me of Michael Critchton's 13th Warrior. The basis is that a tribe of alternate hominids (Cro-Magnon? neanderthals?) were still living in the days of the Vikings. They bring in an Arab, who in turn destroys the entire tribe. The end of the book offers a great piece of 'psuedo-nonfiction' concerning how Crichton supposes a situation like this could come to be. surturz@zip.com.au wrote: > Here's an interesting plot seed: > > I'm not very cluey on this, but millenia ago there were an > offshoot of the human race (neanderthal?). They definitely > were not our ancestors (ie we didn't evolve from them), but > "cousins". > > If a community of neanderthals were found to be still living, > hidden away from human society somewhere, what > implications would this have for the war? What superiors > would get involved? (Jordi would be an intriguing possibility) > > Perhaps neanderthals are the children of the Grigori (this > would probably be a divergence from Canon, however). > > SurturZ > Habbalite of Factions, Angel of Constructive Criticism ------------------------------ Date: 17 May 2000 02:04:34 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> Question - Vessels & death On Mon, 15 May 2000 19:32:09 -0400 EDG wrote: >> What is peoples stance on celestial vessel death? Do you leave the vessel >> behind and go into trauma (leaving a corpse), vessel vanishes immediately, >> vessel decomposes supernaturally fast/supernaturally slowly? [big snip] >Scenario 4: corpse degenerates unnaturally slowly. >GM Pros: See #1. It also has the same types of pros as #3 (why is it doing >this?) It makes sense, though; the vessel is, after all, a remnant of >celestial powers, and wouldn't succumb to the pressures of bacteria and the >elements quite so quickly as something that succumbed to them in the course >of nature. >Player Pros: It gives a nice long time to identify enemy bodies, and - as in >#1 - Cherubim and Djinn may be able to attune to the body and thus to its >old owner. this is my own favorite; it's what i use in my games, with the caveat that Celestials coming out of Trauma can recover their lost vessal with the aid of their Superior, but they only have 10% of their normal vitality until they A) recover or B) somone sing Corporeal Healing for them. this is a little cheaper for players in regard to vessals, but the Role may or may not be FUBAR, which tends to screw with the NPCs and make them ask the PCs uncomfortable questions. -=|horsefly|=- Happiness is a laser designator and a friend in the artillery battalion. --Clayton A. Oliver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:23:49 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: IN> Some In Nomine Fan Art For those of you who didn't want me to personnally fill your mail-boxes with this (I _promise_ none of them were named I Love you either!), but still wanted to take a peak, can fret no longer! My humorous Splatbook covers are now available on my website! http://www.thrifty.net/~tafkaj/in-nomine/humor/pictures/liber_ofanim.jpg (By far the best looking of the bunch.) http://www.thrifty.net/~tafkaj/in-nomine/humor/pictures/liber_calabim.jpg (Based on, I believe, Casca's version of Fallen Ofanim.) http://www.thrifty.net/~tafkaj/in-nomine/humor/pictures/liber_kyriotates.jpg (Kinda -eh-, but what the heck. They're HARD for me to draw!) Comments, as always, are appreciated. (Even the negative ones have a use!) Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = tafkaj@thrifty.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 18:41:09 -0700 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will Whistling in the Dark wrote: > >*ponder* If Impudites self-resonate, do they get into a feedback loop? > > There is the charm side of the resonance. I have to wonder if > Impudites self-charm just for the fun of it.... But then they'd be Balseraphs. ("Wow. What a nice guy I am.") Cheers, Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:34:44 -0400 From: "J. Michael Smith" Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1630 > >Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:42:36 +0100 >From: "Liam Astley" >Subject: Re: IN> Re: Campaign Suggestions? > >From: J. Michael Smith > > The next question is the Demon Princes. Survivors include: > > Belial-Probably itching for a rematch with Gabriel. Hey, these guys might > > work together JUST so that they could fight each other in peace. > >i can't see armageddon taking place and these two both surviving, to be >honest. i would have thought as soon as the chips are down and all hell >breaks loose the first thing they'll do is fight it out for the word of >fire. if gabby's still alive, belial should be smoked (pun intended), or >vice versa. all IMHO of course Normally I would agree with you. Let's just say that certain extenuating circumstances prevented this from happening. (Circumstances that cannot really be revealed since a PC subscribes to this list.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:42:15 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will At 6:41 PM -0700 5/16/00, Ryan Elias wrote: >Whistling in the Dark wrote: > > >*ponder* If Impudites self-resonate, do they get into a feedback loop? > > > > There is the charm side of the resonance. I have to wonder if > > Impudites self-charm just for the fun of it.... > >But then they'd be Balseraphs. > >("Wow. What a nice guy I am.") Yes, but *so* better dressed. - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:46:19 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1630 At 10:34 PM -0400 5/16/00, J. Michael Smith wrote: > >Normally I would agree with you. Let's just say that certain >extenuating circumstances prevented this from happening. >(Circumstances that cannot really be revealed since a PC subscribes >to this list.) "Would you let the demon corrupter of your Holy Word live?" "What? Never -- the cruel must be punished, and punished hard!" "Got it right here...." "Rrrrrmmmmmrrr..." "Gwah..." - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:38:23 +1000 From: "David Streeter" Subject: Re: IN> Question - Vessels & death > * When you die, the corpse stays around - *unless* you're a Malakite. >This makes it easier to bluff the police, although you then have to >explain the body disappearing from the morgue. Malakim have to pay >attention with dying in public, but are otherwise even scarier. So Obi-Wan was a Malakite? :-) SurturZ Habbalite of Factions, Angel of Constructive Criticism ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:33:55 -0500 From: "Amo Nympham" Subject: Re: IN> S3's Cover Art (Funky Mushrooms? You decide!) this could quite possibly be the best cover art I've seen for IN - -Dennis H. Groome V "Amo Nympham" ICQ: 11340261 "Our Fathers were the model for God. If Our Fathers failed, what does that tell you about God?" - -Tyler Durden, Fight Club ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:16:38 -0500 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will > David Edelstein wrote: > > > > ben wrote: > > > Raise your hand if you think Laurence doesn't resonate on himself > > > frequently, just to make sure he's doing the right thing. > > > > I don't think angels can resonate on themselves. > > I think you're right, David. What about a Seraphim who rolls a high enough CD on a statement to know the Truth (5 or a 6) and not just the truth of what was just said? Admittedly this is a rare occurence and I really don't know if I like the other assorted Choirs being able to do so but the Seraphim seem to be a possible exception, at least at that level of CD. The Other David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 01:07:48 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will David Rodemaker wrote: > What about a Seraphim who rolls a high enough CD on a statement to know the > Truth (5 or a 6) and not just the truth of what was just said? Admittedly > this is a rare occurence and I really don't know if I like the other > assorted Choirs being able to do so but the Seraphim seem to be a possible > exception, at least at that level of CD. I'd say no, otherwise it's just a variation of the old munchkiny trick: "Let's grab random mortals and ask them whether or not Jesus was the son of God, until we get a CD of 6." Canonically, you can't get the Truth from someone who has no connection to that particular truth. A Seraph knows whether or not he's telling the truth by whether or not he incurs dissonance. Trying to get a higher Truth by making statements one isn't sure about and listening to see if the Symphony coughs up any hints is playing roulette with a divine resonance.... - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:47:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "O. S. Kerr" Subject: Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will - --- Whistling in the Dark wrote: > At 6:41 PM -0700 5/16/00, Ryan Elias wrote: > >Whistling in the Dark wrote: > > > >*ponder* If Impudites self-resonate, do they get into a > feedback loop? > > > > > > There is the charm side of the resonance. I have to wonder > if > > > Impudites self-charm just for the fun of it.... > > > >But then they'd be Balseraphs. > > > >("Wow. What a nice guy I am.") > > Yes, but *so* better dressed. "I'm so cool, you could store a side of beef in me." "I'm so hip, I'm having problems seeing over my pelvis." ===== ** Lead Playtester for Storyteller: The Colon ** ** I minored in behavioral psychology. Tragic irony and human suffering are just hobbies. ** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:52:13 +0100 From: "Laurent" Subject: Re: IN> Some In Nomine Fan Art It looks very good. Bravo!! Would you have larger versions of these? Laurent. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:16:05 +0100 From: "Liam Astley" Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1630 From: J. Michael Smith > Normally I would agree with you. Let's just say that certain extenuating > circumstances prevented this from happening. (Circumstances that cannot > really be revealed since a PC subscribes to this list.) aahhh, Evil GM Secrets, eh? well that's all right then :) liam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:01:07 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [Tim Groth ] >Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:35:57 -0400 >From: Tim Groth >Subject: Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will >X-Apparently-From: SdshowTim@aol.com > >> I don't think angels can resonate on themselves. > >I know that demons can (in fact it says in the IPG that Balsperahs can >self-resonate to relieve dissonance), why can't angels? > >I mean in some cases it really isn't an issue. Kyriotates obviously can't >self resonate, Mercurians wouldn't really need to, Elohim should know >themselves well enough to make it a useless exercise, Cherubim don't need >to attune to themselves (and it would be a messy situation if they did) and >Ofanim don't have a person focused resonance so they can't self resonate. > >The Seraphim resonance, IIRC, activates on the next statement. So >technically a Seraph could make that statement and self-resonate that way. >That came up on the list a long while ago. > >I think that Malakim fall into the it doesn't matter category. They know >when they have violated their honor, they get whapped with dissonance. I >think that Malakim may check eachother, making sure that all blackwings are >following their codes of honor and are avoiding serious dishonorable deeds. >I'm sure warning bells go off for anyone whose most dishonorable deed is >more dishonorable than 'Forgot to say bless you after someone sneezed'. > > > >Timothy, Angel of Rambling >Ofanite of Creation >ArchRival of Mathus > >My international broadcasting agency: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 03:52:00 -0700 From: "Robert Veneman-Hughes" Subject: IN> An Eli/Cyberpunk Question For You All... I'm still playing with IN2020, and I'm having a hard time deciding what to do with Eli, so I figured I'd toss my idea out to the list and see what you all think of it. If you remember, Eli created the 'Net, setting it up as a huge, communal dreamscape in the midst of the Vale. That was theoretically eighteen years before the events of IN2020, and I'm having a hard time deciding what to do with him in the meantime. Having him just go back to being an active Archangel with everything hunky-dorey doesn't feel right, and yet just having him continuing to be AWOL doesn't to make sense if he went AWOL in the first place to set the foundations in place for the creation of cyberspace. The Superiors are all archetypes, not just in their words, but in their actions and attitudes. Eli, in canon, has a very distinct place, as unique as Gabriel or Yves. (Indeed, those three always seem special, but there has already been plenty of speculation on the list about the relationship between them and the Trinity...) I think two things: First, that Eli should remain archetypal in attitude, and second, that the archetype he embodies should change as a result of his Creation. My thought, then, is this: Directly after the creation of the Matrix, Eli is recalled. Not by the Council to the Eternal City, but by God to the Higher Heavens. His servitors are told 'Bide. I shall return.' Now, in 2020, he either hasn't yet returned, or more preferrably, has returned, refreshed and with some mission from on High. He is in many ways as unpredictable as before, but there is now an ineffable quality to his actions - Eli is still a loose cannon, but the confident knowledge that he is *God's* loose cannon makes all the difference, making other Archangels - and Demon Princes, for that matter - more than a little uneasy. Eli has once again immersed himself in humanity, but he moves with direction, now. His servitors are still mainly given their own free reign, but Eli will often give specific - and sometimes very strange - instructions. How does this sound? Thoughts, comments? Cheers, jeers? Help me, please! - -Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:05:26 -0400 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1630 > > >"Would you let the demon corrupter of your Holy Word live?" > >"What? Never -- the cruel must be punished, and punished hard!" > >"Got it right here...." > >"Rrrrrmmmmmrrr..." > >"Gwah..." Coffee? Monitor. Monitor? Coffee. Line two is Bwahahaha! Jason * * * * * Jason Schneiderman jadasc@ma.ultranet.com ------------------------------ Date: 17 May 2000 11:16:27 -0000 From: "Chris Rose" Subject: Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will On Tue, 16 May 2000 23:47:16 -0700 (PDT) "O. S. Kerr" wrote: >"I'm so cool, you could store a side of beef in me." >"I'm so hip, I'm having problems seeing over my pelvis." "Space Cookies ! Hand me the rap-rod, Plate Captain !" ObIN : Choir for Zaphod : Mercurian ? Ofanite ? Was Ford (with his Bluntness) A Seraph ? - -------- Chris Rose ofanite@gospeedgo.com Angel of Phone Technical Support Ofanite of Lightning ________________________________________________________________ Get Email, News, Links and The Best Selection at http://AnimeNation.com ------------------------------ Date: 17 May 2000 11:34:46 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN>Another In Nomine crossover On Mon, 15 May 2000 17:27:25 -0400 Whistling in the Dark wrote: [big snip] >The subtext, IN speaking, is clear. Hell is the good guys. >Self-interest leads to the best for all. Central Authority is bad. >Princesses belong in loincloths. LOL and Beleth and Lilith both would string Nybbas up by his optic nerves and flay him alive if they found out about that last little subliminal... then again, maybe Lilith would go for it for a while, but she'd charge him his eyes for it! 0;;;-> -=|horsefly|=- If I ever wanted to say 'gwrthwynebiad', I'd probably kill myself by choking on my own tongue. =) - --John Karakash ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:35:57 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will - --On Tue, May 16, 2000 6:41 PM -0700 Ryan Elias wrote: > Whistling in the Dark wrote: >> > *ponder* If Impudites self-resonate, do they get into a feedback >> > loop? >> >> There is the charm side of the resonance. I have to wonder if >> Impudites self-charm just for the fun of it.... > > But then they'd be Balseraphs. > > ("Wow. What a nice guy I am.") > I don't deserve this shoddy treatment. *BZZZZT!* Marc. Just Marc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 05:58:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "O. S. Kerr" Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will > >I'm sure warning bells go off for anyone whose most > dishonorable deed is more dishonorable than 'Forgot to > say bless you after someone sneezed'. Is this a Dogma reference? :) O. ===== ** Lead Playtester for Storyteller: The Colon ** ** I minored in behavioral psychology. Tragic irony and human suffering are just hobbies. ** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:49:46 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> An Eli/Cyberpunk Question For You All... I think your idea of having Eli recalled and then re-dispatched is a very good one, not only for your campaign but for anyone who wants to make a new move on the Eli front. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:57:31 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> UGG! surturz@zip.com.au wrote: > If a community of neanderthals were found to be still living, > hidden away from human society somewhere, what > implications would this have for the war? What superiors > would get involved? (Jordi would be an intriguing possibility) Jordi is a very reasonable possibility. Bearing in mind that Neanderthals were roughly twice as strong as modern humans (as indicated by the area of muscle attachment on their skeletons), they could also be useful in a tactical way to the more physical and militant Superiors. Then there's the question of Neanderthal "alignment." If they're, say, innocent nature-children, they're predisposed to Heaven. If they're Hobbesean savages, red-in-tooth-and-claw, nasty and brutish, then they're predisposed to Heaven. If they're just folks, they have no predisposition. Also, the GM has a clean slate regarding Neanderthal afterlife. They aren't part of the same "system" as all Eden-descended humans. Maybe they always reincarnate, no matter what. Or maybe they always go to the Ethereal Plane and become permanent drameshades. Etc. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:09:03 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Check amongst yourselves... Sean McCarthy wrote: > Recently seen, this summarizes the usenet and mailing list > cultures I have been immersed in for...a very long time now > actually. > > http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html Well, if the Superiors got into this act, Jean would clearly be the List Nanny, for a start, and Furfur would undoubtedly be L'Enfant Provocateur. You forgot to mention the amusing artwork acompanying each of the list-member types. Thank you for pointing this out. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:17:50 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> UGG! Oops. I wrote: > If they're Hobbesean savages, red-in-tooth-and-claw, nasty and > brutish, then they're predisposed to Heaven. I *meant* "predisposed to Hell," of course. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:47:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Not really Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will anymore Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:38:47 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will At 1:25 PM -0400 5/16/00, Marc Bowden wrote: >>--On Tue, May 16, 2000 1:06 PM -0400 Whistling in >>the Dark >> wrote:> >> > Can Malakim (or any celestials, for that matter) self-resonate?> >> Wouldn't that be a mortal sin? >Think of the Seraphim. Why, that much self-truth can >make you go blind.- -- I'd think that Kyriotates would be safe from this problem. Take that any way you want. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:52:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Also not really Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will anymore... Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:38:05 PDTFrom: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will >From: Whistling in the Dark >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >>Balseraphs can. Calabim can. Habballah can. >*ponder* >If Impudites self-resonate, do they get into a >feedback loop? >jo Ask a Balseraph. Convincing an Impudite that he's about to draw Essence from somebody else instead of himself is probably a favorite party trick. :) Morgan (FAW) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:59:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Really not Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will ... oh, you get the point. :) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:28:46 -0600From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will >Actually, I just had a thought about angels >resonating on themselves. A Cherub could attune to >his clothing and suddenly get a danger sense. Ooooh. Right up to the point until he gets shot in the head. Not to mention the fact that the Cherub now has to treat his armor or clothing as more important than his Vessel, which pretty much obviates the use of said clothing or armor for protection... :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:05:36 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: Re: Really not Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will ... oh, you get the point. :) > >Actually, I just had a thought about angels > >resonating on themselves. A Cherub could attune to > >his clothing and suddenly get a danger sense. Ooooh. > > Right up to the point until he gets shot in the head. Most things in most roleplaying games whup bootie right up to the point when you get shot in the head. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:27:03 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Question - Vessels & death At 19:32 -0400 5/15/00, EDG wrote: >Scenario 1: character goes to trauma, leaves a corpse. >GM Pros: It's a plot hook, and - if the vessel had a Role attached to it - >it teaches the character to not be so careless. Plus, I believe that >Cherubim and Djinn can still use it to attune to the character, though I'm >not sure on that point. I would say not, to the last. The character's connection to the body is almost completely severed at that point, so there's really nothing to latch on to. (I say "almost completely severed", since I believe that a celestial returning to the corporeal realm in a new vessel will appear at the location of death, by default -- at least I seem to recall it working that way with Limbo, and probably with other new vessels as well.) - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:35:12 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> How do I know you're what you say you are? At 9:26 -0400 5/16/00, Kiara S. Legner wrote: >>>New ways keep popping up, too -- I can see Jeanites (and Trade Servitors) >being sent out with PalmPilots loaded with short-term crypto certificates, >for example.<< > > I dropped a Palm Pilot on one of my PC's recently - he'd been >driving his Trade contact buggy for info - an extremely old Seraph turned >Malakite who hadn't been active on earth in quite awhile. The security >wasn't just the fun part - it was watching a techy-savvy player have this >old angel figuring out how to use a Palm Pilot... "Hey, it's totally intuitive, right? It just replaces your Rolodex and your day-planner." "What do you mean, 'What's a Rolodex'...?" - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:39:34 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will At 13:06 -0400 5/16/00, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >Can Malakim (or any celestials, for that matter) self-resonate? Lilim can geas themselves. And Balseraphs sort of do that as the first step in their resonance -- they have to fool themselevs first. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:42:42 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will At 14:05 -0400 5/16/00, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >> > Can Malakim (or any celestials, for that matter) self-resonate? >> >>Balseraphs can. Calabim can. Habballah can. It's implied that >>Seraphim can (when talking about Michael.) I didn't think there'd >>be any reason why other celestials could not... > >Demons are focused inward on their own, selfish, private Symphony. >Angels aren't. Agreed on Balseraphs, Calabim and Habbalah. I'm not >sure where the Seraphim implication you're referencing is from, but >you may be right. I suppose you could look at their dissonance condition that way, but I wouldn't. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:47:14 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will At 17:38 -0400 5/16/00, Jo Hart wrote: >>From: Whistling in the Dark >>Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >>>Balseraphs can. Calabim can. Habballah can. > >*ponder* If Impudites self-resonate, do they get into a feedback loop? Why does this sound like something Vapula would experiment with...? (I seem to recall some long time back having Vapula trying to invent the "Bal-bomb" -- where a Bal tries to convince itself it's a Seraph, and gets into such a contradiction loop that it explodes. Pity it didn't work....) - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:59:17 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: IN> [FLUFF] IN HHGttG At 7:16 -0400 5/17/00, Chris Rose wrote: >ObIN : Choir for Zaphod : Mercurian ? Ofanite ? Either Impudite or Balseraph -- how else do you explain him being elected as President of the galaxy? >Was Ford (with his Bluntness) A Seraph ? Seems more like a Mercurian, to me. Or Impudite. Arthur is clearly human. I'm not sure about Trillian, though she's probably a Jeanite, or maybe a Servitor of Yves or Raphael (serving Jean). She might be an Ofanite, maybe. Or a Mercurian. The Sirius Cybernetics Corp HQ must be a Vapulan Tether, and MegaDodo Publications is equally obviously a Media Tether. (Since Ford works for MegaDodo Publications, more or less, that probably makes him a Media Servitor.) - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:12:11 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: Really not Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will ... oh, you get the point. :) - --On Wed, May 17, 2000 7:59 AM -0700 Maurice Lane wrote: > Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:28:46 -0600From: "ben" > > Subject: Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will > >> Actually, I just had a thought about angels >> resonating on themselves. A Cherub could attune to >> his clothing and suddenly get a danger sense. Ooooh. > > Right up to the point until he gets shot in the head. > Not to mention the fact that the Cherub now has to > treat his armor or clothing as more important than his > Vessel, which pretty much obviates the use of said > clothing or armor for protection... :) > I always was under the impression that Danger Sense was keyed to *intent* more than a limited precognitive smack upside the head. I'd let the Cherub do it, of course, then ping his danger sense any time someone in the vicinity hated his outfit. Of course, wanting to harm YOU isn't the same as wanting to harm your dinner jacket. No sense in setting off the sense without a good reason. =) Marc. Just Marc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:12:40 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> [FLUFF] IN HHGttG I'd say that Zaphod was a good role model for a Balseraph, between his egotism and his talent for self-delusion. Not necessarily an *effective* balseraph... Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:15:05 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: Really not Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will ... oh, you get the point. :) - --On Wed, May 17, 2000 10:05 AM -0600 ben wrote: >> > Actually, I just had a thought about angels >> > resonating on themselves. A Cherub could attune to >> > his clothing and suddenly get a danger sense. Ooooh. >> >> Right up to the point until he gets shot in the head. > > Most things in most roleplaying games whup bootie right up to the > point when you get shot in the head. > Unless some of your colleauges weren't using it for anything. Marc. Just Marc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:16:48 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: Re: Really not Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will ... oh, you get the point. :) > I always was under the impression that Danger Sense was keyed to > *intent* more than a limited precognitive smack upside the head. I'd > let the Cherub do it, of course, then ping his danger sense any time > someone in the vicinity hated his outfit. > > Of course, wanting to harm YOU isn't the same as wanting to harm > your dinner jacket. No sense in setting off the sense without a good > reason. =) This would work. Except falling bricks can't have intent. And cars spinning out of control can't have intent. And a fourteen car pileup can't have intent. Yet I am sure a Cherub would know if his attuned was about to be killed by any of the above. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:17:42 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Some In Nomine Fan Art I liked the depictions of Ofanim and Calabim. (I've never liked Calabim being humanoid; it's too big a leap from Ofanim.) The Kyrio is all right. For the next rev, you might look at cover pictures of "A Wind in the Door" by Madeline L'Engle, where one of the characters is called "a cherubim" but looks a great deal like an IN Kyrio. (Yes, I know "cherubim" is plural. So does L'Engle. One of the other characters mentions this, to which the angel replies, "Well, I'm plural, aren't I?" Which is a rather kyrio thing to say, really.) Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 11:07:30 PDT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will >From: Walter Milliken > > > >*ponder* If Impudites self-resonate, do they get into a feedback loop? > >Why does this sound like something Vapula would experiment with...? > Because I said it? :) jo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:08:03 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> An Eli/Cyberpunk Question For You All... From: "Robert Veneman-Hughes" > > Eli has once again immersed himself > in humanity, but he moves with direction, now. His servitors are still > mainly given their own free reign, but Eli will often give specific - and > sometimes very strange - instructions. > > How does this sound? Thoughts, comments? Cheers, jeers? Help me, please! I love this so much that, if I ever get an In Nomine game of my own started, I will probably steal it. Good work! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:35:30 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: Really not Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will ... oh, you get the point. :) - --On Wed, May 17, 2000 11:16 AM -0600 ben wrote: >> I always was under the impression that Danger Sense was keyed to >> *intent* more than a limited precognitive smack upside the head. >> I'd let the Cherub do it, of course, then ping his danger sense >> any time someone in the vicinity hated his outfit. >> >> Of course, wanting to harm YOU isn't the same as wanting to harm >> your dinner jacket. No sense in setting off the sense without a >> good reason. =) > > This would work. > > Except falling bricks can't have intent. > > And cars spinning out of control can't have intent. > > And a fourteen car pileup can't have intent. > > Yet I am sure a Cherub would know if his attuned was about to be > killed by any of the above. > > Ben > That sounds more like an attunement than a resonance, with respect to objects (quite possibly a Jean thing, at a stretch). Marc. Just Marc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:04:16 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: Really not Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will ... oh, you get the point. :) At 7:59 AM -0700 5/17/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:28:46 -0600From: "ben" > >Subject: Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will > > >Actually, I just had a thought about angels > >resonating on themselves. A Cherub could attune to > >his clothing and suddenly get a danger sense. Ooooh. > >Right up to the point until he gets shot in the head. >Not to mention the fact that the Cherub now has to >treat his armor or clothing as more important than his >Vessel, which pretty much obviates the use of said >clothing or armor for protection... :) Right. If a Cherub tried this IMC, I'd give him dissonance every time he let the clothing rip for any reason. Bullets are very good at going through windbreakers, you know. A Cherub who did this would find himself a Djinn pretty fast, I'd think. Or else walk around naked with his clothing locked in a vault. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:33:08 -0400 From: Mason Kramer Subject: Re: Really not Re: IN> Laurence & Free Will ... oh, you get the point. :) > From: Whistling in the Dark > A Cherub who did this would find himself a Djinn pretty fast, I'd > think. Or else walk around naked with his clothing locked in a vault. That would explain David.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:38:12 -0500 From: "Amo Nympham" Subject: Re: IN> I just had to share... 31 is 23 + 8 and 8 is 2^3, a clever disguise for 23 yet again. so 31 is 23 twice. - -Dennis H. Groome V "Amo Nympham" ICQ: 11340261 "Our Fathers were the model for God. If Our Fathers failed, what does that tell you about God?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 14:26:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> An Eli/Cyberpunk Question For You All... - --- Robert Veneman-Hughes wrote: > I'm still playing with IN2020, and I'm having a hard time deciding > what to > do with Eli, so I figured I'd toss my idea out to the list and see > what you > all think of it. IN2020?!? Man, I am new... > The Superiors are all archetypes, not just in their words, but in > their > actions and attitudes. Eli, in canon, has a very distinct place, as > unique > as Gabriel or Yves. (Indeed, those three always seem special, but > there has > already been plenty of speculation on the list about the relationship > between them and the Trinity...) I think two things: First, that Eli > should > remain archetypal in attitude, and second, that the archetype he > embodies > should change as a result of his Creation. OK, but consider this; Eli embodies not just Creation but creativity. This makes him a natural patron of the arts (which, except for music, often get short-shrifted in cyberpunk) *and* of the sciences. Ergo, part of Eli's activity on Earth would involve the discovery of new creative talents -- both artistic and scientific -- and the awakening of same. Indeed, the rapid increase in overall technological level that makes a cyberpunk world possible may well be the direct result of such intervention. Eli's out there finding brilliant scientific minds and channelling their energy into technological innovation (much to Jean's chagrin). Eli especially likes finding people who can *integrate* the arts and the sciences. This would lead to a mini-Renaissance such as was experienced during the '60's. Rock-and-roll became possible largely as a result of the invention of the electric guitar -- who knows what sort of new instruments could be invented by a cyberpunk-level technology? Not that music is the only possible benefactor here. 3D TV immediately comes to mind. Virtual Reality may be commonplace and cheap. Sculptures may be not only kinetic but capable of limited interaction. You get the idea. In an atmosphere like this, Eli's self-appointed mission may be to find that Golden Child who is Van Gogh, Einstein and the Wright Brothers rolled into one. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Time is the best teacher. Unfortunately, it kills all of its students." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! 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