From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Jun 8 08:30:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA21525 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:30:08 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id IAA29639 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:22:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:22:26 -0500 Message-Id: <200006081322.IAA29639@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1666 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, June 8 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1666 In this digest: Re: IN> Changing Names IN> Rules question: Habbalite backlash Re: IN> A Word rom Our Sponsors... Re: IN> Rules question: Habbalite backlash Re: IN> Changing Names Re: IN> Changing Names RE: IN> Changing Names RE: IN> Changing Names Re: IN> City Regions Re: IN> City Regions Re: IN> Jack the Ripper IN> Superiors pre-fall. Re: IN> Changing Names Re: IN> Changing Names Re: IN> City Regions Re: IN> Next Playtest? Re: IN> Jack the Ripper IN> Light Summer Reading RE: IN> Changing Names RE: IN> Changing Names IN> Endgame: The Beginning of the End Re: IN> Changing Names Re: IN> City Regions Re: IN> Next Playtest? IN> Some generic thoughts by me IN> Ripper Jack IN> The Morningstar IN> The Angelic Bible IN> New Web Site Announcement Re: IN> City Regions Re: IN> A Word rom Our Sponsors... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:09:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Matthew Philip Walsh Subject: Re: IN> Changing Names On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Ryan Elias wrote: > Asmodeus, Belial, Beleth, Kobal, Andrealphus, possibly Valefor (for the > record, I believe his name before becoming a DP was Oannes, but that's > just me), Malphas, Magog (which is, I suspect, his original name) and > Mammon are our currently living fallen angel DPs (I suspose if you wanna > get technical Vephar, Beelzebub and possibly a whole bunch of others > could fall in here too). Magog *was* his original name... that's mentioned in David's writeup in S1. Interesting theory concerning Valefor... the obvious questions are then, (a) how did he survive Belial, (b) what took him so long to resurface? (The first answers that come to mind are (a) Limbo and (b) Limbo.) > On a related topic, is there any canon on the original Words of the DPs? > (other than Andrealphus and Kobal, anyways...) Off the top of my head: Andrealphus (Love, S2) Kobal (Laughter, S2) Beleth (Fear, main book) Mariel (Memory, IPG) Magog (Fortitude, S1) Vephar (Sailors, IPG) Baal (Valour... forget where I picked that up) * and of course... Lucifer (Light) One suspects that Malphas was significant enough in the Old Days to have a Word as well, but I've never seen it mentioned. Then again, I don't own a copy of TFT, which would be the logical place to check. Matt *: Yes, according to the Writers' Guidelines it's "Valor". I stand by my Canadianisms nonetheless. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:22:55 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: IN> Rules question: Habbalite backlash One of my players recently came up with an interesting method of dealing with Habbalite backlash. The Habalite takes the Song of Possession at a reasonably high level. If backlash occurs, the Habbalite uses the Song to take over someone nearby, and acts out the backlash in that person's body. The possessed victim ends up getting blamed for any bizarre behavior... We argued this one back and forth for a while, as to whether it should be allowed. Con It potentially unbalances the game by removing the greatest Habbalite weakness, and even converting into a source of strength It might make the Habbalah annoyingly cavalier about using their resonance on high-Will targets, like other celestials. Pro The Habbalite must spend character points to buy the Song... ...must spend at least 2 Essence to use the Song... ...and must make a successful Song roll (we both agreed that the Habbie only gets one chance; if the Song roll fails the first time, the demon can't try again with another victim, but must either act out the emotion or eat the dissonance)... ...and the victim still gets a Will roll to resist Possession. So it's not always going to work, especially with beginning-level characters. It encourages imagination and planning ("Okay, the Senator and the intern are in the room together. I'm going to use my resonance to hit the Senator with Lust... and if I get backlashed, I'll try possessing the intern and acting out the Lust with _her_"). It can lead to some interesting situations. "My Rage attack backlashed? Crud! Okay, I'll blow 2 Essence and try posessing the nearest human, who is... um, the flower lady? Well..." It leaves the Habbalite's original vessel slumped comatose and helpless, which seems reasonably balancing. So im sum, I'm inclined to allow this particular tactic. But I'd be interested to hear what the rest of you think. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:55:42 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> A Word rom Our Sponsors... At 4:13 AM -0700 06/07/00, Casca wrote: >This never made any sense to me. Why isn't it Balseraphim, to make it >consistent with Seraph/Seraphim? Yeah! Well, the answer I can figure is because it's in the Main Book as Balseraphs. Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = tafkaj@thrifty.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 15:45:39 -0500 From: Kris Overstreet Subject: Re: IN> Rules question: Habbalite backlash At 04:22 PM 6/7/00 -0400, you wrote: > >One of my players recently came up with an interesting method of dealing >with Habbalite backlash. > >The Habalite takes the Song of Possession at a reasonably high level. If >backlash occurs, the Habbalite uses the Song to take over someone nearby, >and acts out the backlash in that person's body. The possessed victim ends >up getting blamed for any bizarre behavior... No. IMC, even with a check of 6, it takes an instant for the Habbie to make the decision to do this, during which the Habbie -is- suppressing the backlash; therefore, Dissonance. Redneck ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 14:00:23 PDT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Changing Names >On a related topic, is there any canon on the original Words of the DPs? >(other than Andrealphus and Kobal, anyways...) > Beleth was the Archangel of Fear. Off the top of my head, I don't think any of the others were superiors before the fall... jo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 14:00:23 PDT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Changing Names >On a related topic, is there any canon on the original Words of the DPs? >(other than Andrealphus and Kobal, anyways...) > Beleth was the Archangel of Fear. Off the top of my head, I don't think any of the others were superiors before the fall... jo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:03:16 -0700 From: Steven Feldon Subject: RE: IN> Changing Names Andrealphus was the Angel (_not_ Archangel) of Love, and Baal was . . . Screw it. Copied from http://www.incyclopedia.org/fallen.html: Andrealphus: Before Falling, Love; After Falling, Lust. Baal: Before Falling, Valor; After Falling, the War. Beleth: Before Falling, Fear; After Falling, Nightmares. Kobal: Before Falling, Laughter; After Falling, Dark Humor. Magog: Before Falling, Fortitude; After Falling, Cruelty. Mariel: Before Falling, Memory; After Falling, Oblivion. Vephar: Before Falling, Sailors; After Falling, the Oceans. :) steve - -----Original Message----- From: Jo Hart [mailto:j_hart@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 2:00 PM To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: Re: IN> Changing Names >On a related topic, is there any canon on the original Words of the DPs? >(other than Andrealphus and Kobal, anyways...) > Beleth was the Archangel of Fear. Off the top of my head, I don't think any of the others were superiors before the fall... jo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:08:08 -0700 From: Steven Feldon Subject: RE: IN> Changing Names I'm sorry--Jo was right, although my details weren't wrong. Andrealphus was an Angel before the Fall. Baal and Beleth were, I believe, AAs. Kobal was an Angel. Magog Fell long after _The_ Fall. Mariel was an AA, and I don't believe they have canon on Vephar. You can check the pages references on http://www.incyclopedia.org/fallen.html to see more; I don't have books at this desk. steve - -----Original Message----- From: Steven Feldon [mailto:sfeldon@MICROSOFT.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 2:03 PM To: 'in_nomine-l@lists.io.com' Subject: RE: IN> Changing Names Andrealphus was the Angel (_not_ Archangel) of Love, and Baal was . . . Screw it. Copied from http://www.incyclopedia.org/fallen.html: Andrealphus: Before Falling, Love; After Falling, Lust. Baal: Before Falling, Valor; After Falling, the War. Beleth: Before Falling, Fear; After Falling, Nightmares. Kobal: Before Falling, Laughter; After Falling, Dark Humor. Magog: Before Falling, Fortitude; After Falling, Cruelty. Mariel: Before Falling, Memory; After Falling, Oblivion. Vephar: Before Falling, Sailors; After Falling, the Oceans. :) steve - -----Original Message----- From: Jo Hart [mailto:j_hart@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 2:00 PM To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: Re: IN> Changing Names >On a related topic, is there any canon on the original Words of the DPs? >(other than Andrealphus and Kobal, anyways...) > Beleth was the Archangel of Fear. Off the top of my head, I don't think any of the others were superiors before the fall... jo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:12:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Knop Subject: Re: IN> City Regions On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Erich S. Arendall wrote: > I'm having a tough time here. I'm working on a write-up of IN:Houston, but > have run into some real problems when it comes to separating the city into > regions. So far the only two instances of regioned cities that I've seen > have been Austin (in Revelations I) and Las Angeles (in Revelations IV). > Anybody here ever division a city out, and any good tips/rules of thumb to > keep in mind? Do it by what makes sense, really. If a region tends to be similar in character or nature, then it's a good region. If people driving around the region would notice when they've moved to another, it's also a good region. Another way to do it is how natives refer to the regions. I've started work on writing up "In Nomine Berkeley" (which is not consistent with the work David E. is doing across the bay -- two different campaigns, guess which one is more likely to become canon :). There's very little exposition, but there is a map with regions indicated: http://www.sonic.net/~rknop/Omar/inb/inb_map.html (There's almost no exposition, just the map. This was put up primarily for the benefit of players in my PBEM game.) The regions I've divided up -- North Berkeley, West Berkeley, North Oakland, Piedmont -- are names that people who live around here would use. (I get less specific with cities as they move further from Berkeley.) I foolishly didn't put a scale on that map when I did it; it's on my list of things to fix. - -Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:25:55 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> City Regions At 5:25 PM +0000 06/07/00, Erich S. Arendall wrote: > Anybody here ever division a city out Not yet. Soon though. . . (Couple of cities in fact) > any good tips/rules of thumb to keep in mind? Uhmn. . . Austin says 7 minutes + 1 die for travel time between regions (which I seem to keep rolling D666 on top of the 7 whenever I travel around Austin). LA has 20 minutes + 1 die for travel time. I'd go with 23 minutes of travel time between regions. Why 23? You're not cleared for that. FNORD. (Basically, fake it. Figure out the rough time between regions in your experience of them, and demark the map that way. You also are the one who has to do the writeups for each particular region, so. . .) > I have some ideas on what I want to do, but I've got this niggling feeling > that I'm making too many divisions in the city. "No my dear friend, make as many Divisions as you like! The more, the Merrier!" Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = tafkaj@thrifty.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 07:31:05 -0700 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> Jack the Ripper Genevieve Cogman wrote: > In an INS/MV campaign, Jack the Ripper shows up. He _is_ an Ethereal (well, > their equivalent, a being of Dream) whose March (a March, the Marches) only > loosely and infrequently connects with Earth. He's currently managing to > reach Earth because a particular author is working on a new book about Jack > the Ripper, and this author's dreams are providing a convenient channel to > the vicinity in which the author lives and works. And speaking of books about Jack... I can't recommend FROM HELL enough to anyone wanting to use Jack in a game. This is a fat, massive trade paperback collecting the comics mini-seires by Alan Moore (WATCHMEN, SWAMP THING) and Eddie Campbell (ALEC, EYEBALL KID). Relentless intelligent, well researched (with bibliography and notes) and moodily illustrated. Fabulous stuff, and only about $30 US (I think). It's especially useful from an IN point of view becuase it takes on board wierdness - freemasons, psychics, sacred geometry, kabbalah and more. You know you want it. - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia My job isn't to make everything beautiful. My job isn't to make living life a good time. My job is to keep the majority of people in this country alive. That's it. If fifty-one percent eat a meal tomorrow, and forty-nine percent don't, I've done my job. That is the absolute fucking limit of what can be done. - The President of the USA (The Beast), TRANSMETROPOLITAN #21 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:28:31 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: IN> Superiors pre-fall. Baal was the Archangel of Valor before the Fall. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:43:04 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Changing Names At 2:00 PM -0700 6/7/00, Jo Hart wrote: >>On a related topic, is there any canon on the original Words of the DPs? >>(other than Andrealphus and Kobal, anyways...) >> > >Beleth was the Archangel of Fear. Off the top of my head, I don't >think any of the others were superiors before the fall... I thought Beleth was *Angel* of Fear, as Kobal was Angel of Laughter. I thought Andrealphus and Lucifer were about it for Word-Bound Superiors Falling. Which is interesting, given how "weak" Andrealphus is considered now. - -- - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 15:19:28 -0700 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> Changing Names Whistling in the Dark wrote: > I thought Andrealphus and Lucifer were about it for Word-Bound > Superiors Falling. > > Which is interesting, given how "weak" Andrealphus is considered now. Love is probably a much stronger word than Lust... - -Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 17:09:55 -0500 From: Matt Lyon Subject: Re: IN> City Regions "Erich S. Arendall" wrote: > Aloha folks, > > I'm having a tough time here. I'm working on a write-up of IN:Houston, but > have run into some real problems when it comes to separating the city into > regions. So far the only two instances of regioned cities that I've seen > have been Austin (in Revelations I) and Las Angeles (in Revelations IV). > Anybody here ever division a city out, and any good tips/rules of thumb to > keep in mind? > > I have some ideas on what I want to do, but I've got this niggling feeling > that I'm making too many divisions in the city. > > Thanks in advance. > > -Erich S. Arendall > "Shadow Sprite" > Demon of Critical Failures at the Worst Possible Time for Players and the > Best Time for GMs, Impudite of Kronos (transferring to Asmodeus) > ------------------------- > Touched by an Impudite > http://www.impudite.com > Go Directly to the Blog > http://www.impudite.com/abt-blog.asp > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com I've done IN:Chicago, but for me that's easy as the city is already divided in regions and neighborhoods (North, Near North, the Loop, etc). You might want to see if you can find a map that shows different wards or precincts in Houston. I don't know Houston, but if there are natural divisions like in Chicago that would be a good guide. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 06:56:29 -0500 From: "Kiara S. Legner" Subject: Re: IN> Next Playtest? >If it'll make you feel better, I'll never mention the subject of fan reviews on this list again. Why? There are a lot of fans on this list who don't seem to mind... Kiara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:53:05 -0500 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> Jack the Ripper What about the thought that the Ripper is human, as normal or as not-so-normal as you want who has been "on ice" for the past 100+ years? The Other David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:38:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Light Summer Reading Just finished J. Gregory Keyes :Empire of Unreason:, the third book in :The Age of Unreason: series. Three things about it: 1). It's neat-o. 2). This third book makes the entire series _much_ more IN-compatible. You could run an interesting alternate-earth historical IN campaign with this stuff. 3). If SJG ever decides to explore the possibility of licensing works of fiction for In Nomine, they could do _far_ worse than this series. You would have to play with the rules a bit, but you wouldn't need to warp the system to make the game world work... and this game world is very, very playable. I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Just my $.02 worth as a gamer, and a IN fan. :) Morgan (FAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Increasing Market Share __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:49:22 +1000 From: "Leath Sheales" Subject: RE: IN> Changing Names Steve wrote: > Andrealphus was the Angel (_not_ Archangel) of Love, and Baal was . . Before you get too snooty, Andrealphus has been referred to as _both_ (go check the APG). I'm pretty sure that has been clarified in later books, but some people may not have access to all the books. Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:48:28 -0700 From: Steven Feldon Subject: RE: IN> Changing Names Not being snooty at all--I specified explicitly _because_ I know he's been referred to as both. I guess my tone would have been clearer if I'd mentioned that I was pointing out his lack of Arch status because it was stated both ways, and had been errata'ed. . . . Sorry if anyone took that wrong. steve - -----Original Message----- From: Leath Sheales [mailto:lsheal01@postoffice.csu.edu.au] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 4:49 PM To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: RE: IN> Changing Names Steve wrote: > Andrealphus was the Angel (_not_ Archangel) of Love, and Baal was . . Before you get too snooty, Andrealphus has been referred to as _both_ (go check the APG). I'm pretty sure that has been clarified in later books, but some people may not have access to all the books. Leath. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jun 2000 18:55:30 -0700 From: Casca Subject: IN> Endgame: The Beginning of the End ...And we presented the Holy Grail to the Archangel Eli, and he drank from it, and was restored. His countenance shone with Shekinah glory, and the light of Heaven radiated from his vessel. And he spoke, saying “That which had been taken is now restored unto me, and I am once again in communion with my Father. You are all witnesses: the Messiah has come, as was prophesied by John.” -- The Book of Kariel ..There was a blinding flash in the sky above Perdition, and the Cacophony of Hell fell silent for half an hour. Then a radiant beam of light fell from the sky and struck Nybbas’ tower, engulfing it in a column of holiness. The Symphony sang as it washed across the Principality, stopping only when the realm was engulfed from the border of Tartarus to the edges of Shal-Mari. And neither Nybbas, nor his servitors, nor any of the damned souls in Perdition were ever seen again, for the light of Heaven shone into Hell, and they were consumed. To this day, no unrepentant soul may enter it and live, for it is a Tether to Heaven within the Bowels of Hell. -- The Book of the Redeemed ...And Christ Eli walked among the wretches of Shal-Mari, and none dared oppose Him, for the Princes knew how He had vanquished Nybbas and were scared shitless. -- Gorach’s Tale Early in His ministry, three Habbalah, one from each of the Shal-Mari Princes, came to him. “Teacher,” they asked him, “we have been doing God’s work in the Pit for as long as we can remember, yet we cannot abide within your realm. Why is this, since we four are all angels?” And Eli reached out His hand to grasp the Habbalite’s nipple-ring, and twisted it violently, ripping it from his body. “You say you are angels,” the Messiah replied, “but never was any angel in such bondage to lust and pain and carnality as you. If you would truly become subservient to God’s will, first you must deny the dark impulses which fetter you.” And the three Habbalah went away, and they were filled with emptiness. One day a damned soul, fleeing its demonic master, ran to Eli, shouting “Master! Master! Save me from this Hell!” And he flung himself at Eli’s feet. Eli lifted him up and said, “I have not come to save you. If you were to truly repent, then all your sins would be forgiven and you would be granted paradise. But instead all you seek is a selfish end to your suffering, with no thought towards the suffering you brought to others.” With that, He left the human soul to its demon master, turning away as tears streamed down His face. An Impudite of Dark Humor, seeing His tears, turned to Him and said, “If you have not come to save the humans, why then do you walk among them?” And Eli said to him, “It is not within my power to save him; that honor and glory belongs to one greater than myself. No, my task is different.” Then He placed His hand upon the Impudite’s shoulder and said, “God forgives you your rebellion, and loves you still. If you would but admit your error and humbly seek forgiveness, all will be made well.” With those words, the demon Redeemed. -- The Book of Salvation Christ Eli then appeared before the Seraphim Council along with his disciples, and said “You have called me heretic, and blasphemer, and rebel. Yet were not these same charges levied against the Son of Man by the Sanhedrin? Truly, truly I say to you: I am the third Messiah, the Savior of the angels. Look upon me and see the Truth.” With that, Christ Eli cast aside his Heavenly form in the same manner than an angel casts aside his vessel, and all present were awed by the presence of the LORD. Laurence and Khalid threw themselves upon their faces and worshipped Him, and Dominic fell to his knees, weeping. And Khalid said to Christ Eli, “Master, what would you have me do?” And Christ Eli replied, “Be true to your Word, be true to yourself, be true to Me.” And thenceforth Khalid was known as Abdiel, which means ‘Slave of God.’ And Abdiel and all his servitors took up Christ Eli’s banner, left Heaven and descended the Tether to Hell. There they built a place of worship and fortified it, and it was known as New Jerusalem -- The Book of Abdiel [Astute readers will see the conncetion between this and the post I made several months ago regarding the Eli-Nybbas conflict. If you did not get this post, or deleted it, please contact me and I'll email it to you. If enough folks ask, I'll re-post it.] - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 21:08:50 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Changing Names Jo Hart wrote: > Beleth was the Archangel of Fear. Off the top of my head, I don't think any> of the others were superiors before the fall... Baal was Archangel of Valor. (A pox on whoever added that to his expanded writeup.) - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 20:20:30 PDT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> City Regions >From: "Tafka J." >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> City Regions >Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:25:55 -0500 > >At 5:25 PM +0000 06/07/00, Erich S. Arendall wrote: > > Anybody here ever division a city out > > Not yet. Soon though. . . (Couple of cities in fact) > > > any good tips/rules of thumb to keep in mind? > I'd agree with Robert -- try to use the divisions that people have historically/ currently used. I divvied London up when I was using it as a Vampire setting into North (Camden, Islington, Brent & Hackney), West (Kensington, Acton, Fulham, Richmond, Ealing), Southwark (Southwark, Greenwich, Dulwich, various boroughs of South London), Bow (the East End, Docklands, other boroughs of East London that are north of the river), Westminster (including the west end), the City of London, and the Undercity (including the Thames itself). When I was using it as an In Nomine setting, the geographical divisions were less important, and I just went with where the major tethers were -- it just turned out again that Westminster and the City were natural divisions (the demons ran Westminster, the angels had a ton of tethers in the City). jo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:08:47 +1000 From: "Azrael" Subject: Re: IN> Next Playtest? > >If it'll make you feel better, I'll never mention the subject of fan > reviews on this list again. > > Why? There are a lot of fans on this list who don't seem to mind... I agree. Azrael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:12:24 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Some generic thoughts by me Basically to save people trouble of sorting through seperate e-mails of small ammounts.... Earl wrote: >(The Flood, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the Ten Plagues of Egypt >were also God's ideas, but were not met with the same enthusiasm >in all quarters. The return of Uriel is an event of similar scale, and possibly similar nature.) Actually in my game Yves pretty much bloodythirstilly took of all of that. He's a wonderful old man who loves children but in my opinion a fairly ruthless ancient being when he wants to be. Eli took care of the whole Tower of Babel thing on Yves orders. Earl also wrote: >Huh? What astronomical phenomenon are you talking about? Basically the whole idea that Jean is in his spare time (not like he has any) is trying to figure out exactly what's causing the "Tetherball effect" of the universe. You know the theory that the Earth while it is caught in it's gravity is gradually going to get pulled square into the sun. Jean preffering Perpetual Motion physics (To Vapula whose work is kinduv self-cleaning) is most annoyed by this development as it will someday destroy the cosmos...or at least the part the Symphony is most concerned with. He blames Kobal.... Em wrote: >And God Help he who would suggest putting out a 2nd Edition to correct >this crap, because it was written that way in the beginning and there will >only be one covenant of spellings and misspellings between God and the >fans. There can be no other StyleSheet except the true StyleSheet, and no >corrections or changes will come before it. Basically I think people are getting the wrong idea about In Nomine and why it's not selling right away. First of all I think it's because it hasn't gotton enough advertising true enough but also unfortunately because the campaign world hasn't been especially developed at the time it was released. Some may argue it didn't have a consistant theme "Theological/Occult Dramedy" having not been quite made popular yet. However I think the big problem is simply that you haven't gotton out quite yet enough for everyone to have their attention grabbed by. Superiors 3 did that for me because it talked about the most important "FAITHFUL" angels that exist. One of the many issues that I think will attract gammers. You need a genre to suceed as an RPG-Vampire took horror, AD&D will always have fantasy, Sci-Fi so far has repeatably failed but Star Wars and Rifts I think came closest. Give it time and keep pouring out issue works that develop the universe and what's it's ideals are and I think In Nomine by word of mouth will prosper as people get interested such as me. I'm already buying supplements to fill my collection. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:23:43 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Ripper Jack >Y'know I've been working up something for my own campaign about our good >friend Jack, but I decided not to make him a demon. Like was said in the >GMG, I think it says more about humanity and realism if you make some of the >most horrible crimes commited by humans. True but as in the real world mankind has Demons to tempt it (though I'm sure if we removed the force people would still be able to make the choices Lucifer did) there is the slight approximation that what are Shedim good for if not to explain the really gross abominable and ultimately senseless acts that people occasionally do for apparently no reason. To quote Rupert Giles: A demon is evil, it's his nature but a human driven to kill is quite a different matter entirely. While more horrofying exploring that region of the psyche I also like to keep the note that demons are essentially beings who pull the strings for humanity's decay. In such ways while "realism" is stronger with a human I prefer to emobody the forces that drove the person to kill....seemingly senselessness snapping in a Shedim (the world loses it's sanity to a person), Slow corruption by seemingly logical trains of thoughts you don't examine (Balseraphs), Glamourous/glitsy/attention getting (Impudites), Lashing out with one's own inner torment in an attempt to excorcise it...but only harming others and not healing (Habbalites), and simply ignoring or encouraging others to destroy because you are too cowardly or heartless (Djinn). Lilim are the people who simply do not believe people's rules apply to them for whatever reason-rather viewing everyone else as suckers for not realizing it (and not believing anyone would choose it). >For my undead Jack, I said he had 7 forces when he died (being an exceptional >human) and now had 8 as a mummy. I gave him Claws (Numinous Corpus), most of >the Death attunements I thought made sense, and even had Saminga make him a >Captain of the Infernal Legion for inspiring so many other serial killers. Thank you very much there. This will help alot. Though sharing the Death Attunements might help. Also anyones opinion on what powers the word of Serial Killers would have (I'm keeping the old boy a Shedim) - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:25:05 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Morningstar I know that Venus is technically the Morningstar but also something to consider that taking it to a more modern context (and in Celestial lanquage) I think it's rather cool that the Sun was created by Lucifer and the fact it's rising gives angels essence has some tie to his doings (What that tie is is up to speculation). So technically I think Lucifer should have made the sun. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:45:50 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Angelic Bible Thanks to Earl Wajenberg for his ideas on the Angelic Bible. I'm incorporating them definatley with all the missing letters from the Apostles, highletting what was inspired and what was note, and basically making my Seraphim's life a whole lot easier preaching (though I can just imagine what kinduv...well pardon the pun...hell would be raised if one of these variorums fell into the hands of a mortal theologian by mistake). The Book I think will in addition to the stuff stated above also contain the following passages: The Book of Yves (More commonly called the Book of Lucifer): The Book before Genesis (or more precisley during) which describes the emergence of Michael and Lucifer and the creation of Heaven in a bit more detail. The Book describes Lucifer's Dissonance in a bit more detail (basically I believe he fell because he wanted to explore the full length of his word...which was not possible with his destiny). Written by: Yves of course The Book of Uriel (more commonly called the Book of Michael or the Book of the Fall): The Book describing the War in Heaven and the turning point when God raised his hand and said "Let there be butt kicking fellows who do not fall" (paraphrased) which brought forth Uriel and the rest of the First Malakim who with Michael, David, Gabriel, and Raphael brought down the House on the bad guys. (I'm thinking of adding an account most angels skip over the part where Lucifer and his demons find terrifying for the most part hell and are portrayed in a relatively sympathetic light-especially where many consider repentence in the terrfying place-probably written by Kobal which fell into the author's hands...or some anonymous demon) Written by: Eli strangely enough. His own account. Revelations (Teacher's Edition): There are 66 Chapters to Revelations and not 22 in this version of the Bible. Basically aside from the usual rhetoric it describes an Archangels Fall (Why Dominic is so bloody Antsy about Heaven) before God sets his house in order. The Old man then summoning forth all angels who have been destroyed and judging them anew as he opens them to the Higher Heavens. Written by: Saint John duh. OCC: Some "Renegade versions" of this describe events very differently in exactly how God sets his house in Order and some totally reverse the context of Saint John's Gospell with things like Repentance by Hell and others with God rewarding the Demons. Ergo why Yves has had most versions sorted out from human hands til the issue is unclouded (specifically til judgement day) The Sephier-Razil I'll definately have to use but I think that's probably a very special book and one I'll have to keep with a very big look into. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 07:18:30 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: IN> New Web Site Announcement After having a rather poor In Nomine site, which itself has endured a long history of not being updated and some too-ambitious projects that never went anywhere, I am *infinitely* happy to announce something that doesn't suck has taken its place. The new site is at: The new site includes a number of Angels (some balanced for play, some having decent development, and the occasional obscenely powerful NPC), some Word-Bound, a Demon or two (with more on the way), a couple of new Superiors, notes from a couple of Campaigns, recommendations for other sites, fiction and other bric a brac. Along with the expected bits are two current features at the Annotations: In Nomine Collection: "Antonio: The Calabite's Song." A long (12,000 words) piece of fiction about a Calabite of Secrets trying to endure. It treads on some violent themes and horror, as you might expect. "Tour Boston: The Celestial Athens of America." The first page of an extended writeup on In Nomine Boston -- totally uncanon, of course, and not to be confused with other peoples' In Nomine Boston. Please let me know if you have any comments or suggestions. Enjoy! - -- - -- Eric Alfred Burns | in-sabre@annotations.com | Writer - Manager - IT Type - Poet Boy - In Nomine Freelancer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:30:30 GMT From: "Erich S. Arendall" Subject: Re: IN> City Regions Thanks for all the helpful tips and ideas, people! You're the reasons that this mailing list is so great. You've also helped vanquish my fears of too much separation. I was always worried that living in Houston would give me too many city regions, but I think I'll make like Malphas and go with my idea of 14 regions. Rest assured, I'll put a note up in the group when it's all done. Again,thank you all very much! - -Erich S. Arendall "Shadow Sprite" Demon of Critical Failures at the Worst Possible Time for Players and the Best Time for GMs, Impudite of Kronos (transferring to Asmodeus - It's a long and arduous process, Asmo runs at least 13 background checks...) - ------------------------- Touched by an Impudite http://www.impudite.com Go Directly to the Blog http://www.impudite.com/abt-blog.asp ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:35:51 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> A Word rom Our Sponsors... At 10:33 AM -0400 6/7/00, Emily Dresner wrote: >> Same reason it's Seraphim Council when grammatically, it should be >> Seraph Council. Thus It Is Written, Thus Shall It Be. > >Because, as we all know, the StyleSheet was one of those things given to >Moses as he spoke to the flaming bush on Mt. Sinai in Exodus. [...] > There can be no other StyleSheet except the true StyleSheet, and no >corrections or changes will come before it. Amen. O:> ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1666 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.