From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Jul 12 08:57:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA21152 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:57:51 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id IAA22785 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:55:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:55:49 -0500 Message-Id: <200007121355.IAA22785@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1709 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, July 12 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1709 In this digest: IN> C.S. Lewis's Crew IN> Haagenti's Fate Re: IN> Haagenti's Fate Re: IN> Haagenti's Fate Re: IN> Haagenti's Fate Re: IN> C.S. Lewis's Crew IN> Haagenti's dark fate Re: IN> Haagenti's Fate Re: IN> Hearts, and Haagenti Re: IN> Haagenti's dark fate IN> Mariel, Meserach, and a Very Empty Tummy Re: IN> A look at Lilim Re: IN> Really Old Jobs (was Metatron) Re: IN> Haagenti's Fate IN> Re: Origins Re: IN> Re: Origins (very OT) Re: IN> A look at Lilim Re: IN> Re: Origins IN> Malphas Servitor Attunement. Re: IN> Mariel, Meserach, and a Very Empty Tummy Re: IN> Malphas Servitor Attunement. Re: IN> Mariel, Meserach, and a Very Empty Tummy Re: IN> Mariel, Meserach, and a Very Empty Tummy Re: IN> A clarification about this mailing list/INC/Pyramid. NOT a complaint. Re:IN> The Penitent Re: IN> Haagenti's Fate Re: IN> [short] In Nomine 1/2, part 1/? Re: IN> A look at Lilim Re: IN> Haagenti's Fate IN> Humorous, yet still useful, Song Re: IN> Haagenti's Fate Re: IN> Re: Origins (very OT) Re: IN> Archangel Eve Re: IN> Mariel, Meserach, and a Very Empty Tummy Re: IN> Mariel, Meserach, and a Very Empty Tummy Re: IN> Haagenti's Fate IN> A fine example of the Game in practice... Re: IN> Haagenti's Fate ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:31:42 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> C.S. Lewis's Crew Another Odd piece from Charles Phipp's collection.... Backstory: Some say the Lucid Dreamer C.S. Lewis was actually a soldier of Blandine recruited to do battle with the forces of Hell in his writings. Of course usually by the people who say Kennedy was shot by a reborn Legion working under Uriel....however if it was true...he might have been writing about the file on these two. Screwtape (a.k.a Uncle) Shedim Baron of the Book of Days Corporal 4 Str 6 Agility 10 Ethereal 5 Intelligence 11 Precision 9 Celestial 4 Will 9 Perception 7 Songs: Attraction (Corporal 3/Ethereal 4/Celestial 4) Charm (Ethereal 4), Dreams (Ethereal 3/Celestial 5), Entropy (Ethereal 5) Skills: Area Knowledge (England) 5, Artistry (verse) 3, Detect Lies 3, Fast Talk 2, Savoir Faire 5, Seduction 4 Attunements: Shedim of Fate, Fated Future, Impudite of Fate, Baron of the Book of Days Screwtape is very learned, polite, and well mannered....a disturbing prospect for a Shedim but he is also a rather humourous figure seemingly treating his fellow demons as friends relatives, and friends from the office. Indeed he is likely to seem the least off the rocker Shedim a player will ever meet....this is deceptive as Screwtape despite his ability to be caught off gaurd by the gross ingratitude of his fellow demons on occasion for "services rendered". He is an old hand at bringing people to their Fates....one of Hell's best in fact. His rank and the number of servitors under him is mute testament to the sucess of his philosophy (which is again very un-Shedimlike in it's statement that humans do not have to become violent or gross but merely amazingly self-absorbed and cynical to get the majority of people to reach their fates). Screwtape rarely leaves Hell anymore and prefers to instead coordinate his large number of "relatives" across his preffered district (Jolly Old England) by correspondence. Attempting to avoid some of the political troubles of Hell he prefers to be addressed as Uncle by those he early mentors from Imp to full fledged demon in attempt to inspire loyalty (this philosophy has not suceeded very often) but make no mistake-any demon who has earned the respect of the Inquisition of Asmodeus hides a truly vengeful and malevelent side that will pay back a thousand times over every concievable insult to his "honor". Screwtape has yet to recieve (or seek) a word but this seems merely because he is waiting for the number of souls he's accumulated to be large enough for something truly powerful. Wormwood R.I.P (rest in Pieces) Shedim of Fate Corporael 2 Str 4 Agility 4 Ethereal 2 Int 2 Precision 6 Celestial 3 Will 8 Perception 4 Songs: Attraction (Celestial 3) Skills: Detect Lie 3, Area Knowledge (England 2) Attunements: Shedim of Fate In contrast to his "Uncle" Screwtape....Wormwood is an idiot. Elevated by Kronos from Imp status for unfathomable reasons that likely had to do with a brief surplus of essence, Wormwood was a truly pathetic demon that his Superior sent to Baron Screwtape in hopes of making something out of him. However Wormwood was the type of Shedite who couldn't corrupt his way out of a paper bag if Lucifer gave play by play on it's weak spots. If the Fate servitor had relied heavily on his Uncle Screwtapes ministrations instead of plotting to try to replace his elder mentor and patron (despite having not led a single soul to his fate yet) Wormwood might have suceeded in leading his first target from achieving his Destiny and perhaps lived long enough to make something of himself (unlikely but Saminga became a Prince). Screwtape briefly considered trying to save his poor dumb demon relative by putting him in Haagenti's employ (the younger demonling understanding desire for food) but his sympathy was lost when Wormwood sent a letter detailing Screwtape's saying that God truly did love humanity (in order to teach Wormwood how to overcome faith) to the Infernal Inquisition. Screwtape avoided punishment through old ties to the inquisitors and when Wormwood's target reached his destiny; Kronos granted his Baron the right to break up the little bugger's forces up for his own use. Let this be a lesson to would be infernals. - -Charles Phipps Is the gross Prophet Margin affected by religeous dogma is what we have to consider? - -Marc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:46:45 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: IN> Haagenti's Fate My own take on this is that the big guy's nasty Fate is to get eaten _by his own Word_. That is, to become so deeply identified with Gluttony that he *becomes* Gluttony incarnate. Think of a spiritual black hole... a thing that's no longer sentient or even conscious, just a big ravening rip in the fabric of the Symphony. An entropic vortex that sucks in anything that gets too close, and that grows as it consumes. Sort of the Calabite equivalent of Legion, as it were. Thoughts? Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:05:04 +0100 From: "Laurent" Subject: Re: IN> Haagenti's Fate > Well, the possibilities that occur to me are: > > 1) Eaten by a rival. > 2) Eaten by Lucifer. > 3) Eaten by himself. > 4) Starved to death. A few more: 5) Forced on a diet 6) Cursed to slim down by a human sorcerer (anybody read Thinner?) 7) Explodes (the punchline of Kobal's joke), destroying the earth in the process 8) Food poisoned or suffering gaz ;) Laurent. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:07:04 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Haagenti's Fate Douglas Muir wrote: > My own take on this is that the big guy's nasty Fate is to get > eaten _by his own Word_. [...] > Thoughts? This was sort of the Fate I made up for Saminga, when I wrote up his successor, Azazel. I can send that to you, Doug, or re-post it, if people are interested. Belial might be open to a similar fate. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:18:14 +0100 From: "Laurent" Subject: Re: IN> Haagenti's Fate > 7) Explodes (the punchline of Kobal's joke), destroying the earth in the process > 8) Food poisoned or suffering gaz Actually, number 8 might have the same consequences than number 7... scary enough to make a plot seed! Haagenti somehow aquired a new discord: bad digestion. The players have only very little time to gather some cure and save the world... Sorry, I had a long day. I'll feel better tomorrow... Laurent. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:19:26 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> C.S. Lewis's Crew Charles Phipps wrote: > and when Wormwood's target reached his destiny; Kronos granted > his Baron the right to break up the little bugger's forces up > for his own use. "How mistakenly, now that all is lost, you come whimpering to ask me whether the terms of affection in which I address you meant nothing from the beginning. Far from it! Rest assured, my love for you and your love for me are as like as two peas. I have always desired you, as you (pitiful fool) desired me. The difference is that I am the stronger. I think they will give you to me now; or a bit of you. Love you? Why yes. As dainty a morsel as ever I grew fat on." - -- from the last Screwtape letter Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:25:54 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Haagenti's dark fate >In Superiors 2 (and again in S3), Yves' comment on Haagenti is something >along the lines of "his fate is darker than even he can imagine". >Thoughts on this? Ironically I doubt this is his fate as Haagenti no doubt fears starving to death in his darkest nightmares (look at his quote in the main book). In my opinion Haagenti is going to suffer ultimate betrayal of his ideals, what little friendship he has, and be left totally stricken. Like Haagenti is the second to last living demon in Hell and goes to Kobal in the middle of the bodies and asks why they didn't win...why Lucifer and they were imprisoned for all time.....why. and Kobal gives the pun. Of course Yves perhaps thinks Haagenti has a bright destiny..... "The Archangel of Chili" - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:37:34 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Haagenti's Fate From: "Douglas Muir" > > In Superiors 2 (and again in S3), Yves' comment on Haagenti is something > along the lines of "his fate is darker than even he can imagine". > > Thoughts on this? Nothing I can really put into words just yet, but I suspect that Sloth and Oblivion were simply appetizers... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:39:48 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Hearts, and Haagenti From: > > Can a celestial's Heart shatter without that celestial having a) died, b) > been turned to a Remnant, or c) Fallen? > > What are the consequences of this? What about for Word-bound celestials? As far as I can recall, the only ways that this is possible without meeting the three criteria you listed are for that celestial's Heart to be broken by a device (as it was in Fall of the Malakim,) or the celestial in question shattering it him/herself and going Outcast/Renegade. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:52:01 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Haagenti's dark fate At 1:25 PM -0400 7/11/00, Charles Phipps wrote: > > >"The Archangel of Chili" Hey, Hell is Hell, but Chili is Chili. Mmmm... Chili.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:13:30 -0500 (CDT) From: edg@pyramid.sjgames.com Subject: IN> Mariel, Meserach, and a Very Empty Tummy Thanks for the responses. This has given me fodder for a few ideas, none of them canon whatsoever. What if Haagenti's stomach is actually a Gate to Limbo? One-way; we wouldn't want the Prince of Gluttony actually /regurgitating/ anything. (Eww.) We'd have two Demon Princes in Limbo, along with various assorted human souls, demons and demonlings, and probably a few unlucky angels too. (A bunch of plates, tables, and chairs, too, probably.) Let's say that not only does getting eaten by Haagenti send you to Limbo, it also shatters your Heart. Otherwise, we wouldn't think you were dead, would we? And since when you come out of Limbo, you reappear where you entered it, in your brand new shiny vessel, you'd need to wait until Haagenti visited the corporeal plane. (After all, his stomach travels with him.) Otherwise, you'd just bounce every time you tried to leave Limbo. A rubber room, if you will. Of course, you could leave fairly quickly if you had created a rat vessel. But there are two Demon Princes in Limbo thanks to Haagenti. They won't settle for a mangy rodent. They'll want noble, humanoid vessels. So they'll be in there for a while. Have you noticed how, thanks to the existentialist and gothic movements, and today's movie-videogame-computer culture, Oblivion and Sloth seem to have made a comeback in the last few years? - -EDG hee hee hee... more to come! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:18:46 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> A look at Lilim At 23:23 -0400 7/10/00, David Rodemaker wrote: >> >You know, as a matter of clarification she's the Human Princess of >Freedom >> >in GURPS IN. >> >> It's only making blatent what's already in the main book -- "technically, >> she's not even a demon," IIRC the quote. (Baby sleepng on chest, can't >> get at book to doublecheck, consider it showing off my memory if I'm >> right.) > >I knew that, I was just amused that the point was made in GURPS IN. Since GURPS players tend to be interested in technicalities more than most, it seemed appropriate to be as technically-correct as we could in things.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:25:26 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Really Old Jobs (was Metatron) At 9:03 -0400 7/11/00, Bruce Dykes wrote: >Perhaps Essence gets stale? Essence at Creation+5years >is really potent stuff, capable of moving continents >and creating vessels without effort, but as we speed >away from Creation, it takes more and more work to do >stuff with that essence... Maybe it's just cooling off with the expansion of the universe, and hence less energetic.... Or maybe some of it "crystallized out" when the various corporeal forces (not Forces) started separating out from the high-energy GUTS state just after the Big Bang. Of course, that all happened *way* too long ago for the speculation above. But maybe there are other forces humans haven't yet discovered, and they Symphony undergoes these "phase changes" every once in a while, as some of the Essence gets switched into corporeal infrastructure. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:36:24 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Haagenti's Fate At 12:46 -0400 7/11/00, Douglas Muir wrote: >My own take on this is that the big guy's nasty Fate is to get eaten _by >his own Word_. > >That is, to become so deeply identified with Gluttony that he *becomes* >Gluttony incarnate. Think of a spiritual black hole... a thing that's no >longer sentient or even conscious, just a big ravening rip in the fabric of >the Symphony. An entropic vortex that sucks in anything that gets too >close, and that grows as it consumes. > >Sort of the Calabite equivalent of Legion, as it were. Sounds very plausible, to me. At least something very uncontrolled and destructive. Or maybe he's slated to eat Lucifer and take over Hell.... - --- For an entirely different view, maybe Haagenti *is* Lucifer -- sort of a "hand-puppet" Prince that Lucifer can use against other Princes, without taking political flack from them. And either Kobal is in on the gag, or someday he's going to become the victim of his own "joke". - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:10:19 -0400 From: "Yeager, Alex" Subject: IN> Re: Origins Sorry for the last minute notice of this... There are no In Nomine games that I know of at the moment. However, there are two seminars on In Nomine being run by yours truly; the more folks in the know, the better. You can find event details buried at the following URL (don't ask): http://www.wizards.com/origins/ORG2K/errata_sjg.asp If there is anyone else running IN and you'll be in the onsite book, or if you want some help rustling up an impromptu game onsite, contact me privately ASAP (before Wednesday afternoon). Alex Yeager YeagerAW@Maritz.com SJ Games North US MIB RD/Cheapass Games Demo Monkey INWO Deck of the Week: http://inwo.mymmc.com/dotw/index.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:22:06 -0700 From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Re: IN> Re: Origins (very OT) >If there is anyone else running IN and you'll be in the onsite book, >or if you want some help rustling up an impromptu game onsite, >contact me privately ASAP (before Wednesday afternoon). Cool--maybe I'll see you (and hopefully some of the other fellow IN'ers) at Origins! I'd love to play a few pickup games of IN while I'm at the con. Graveyard "Origins or Else!" Greg _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:30:17 -0700 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> A look at Lilim > Since GURPS players tend to be interested in technicalities more than most, > it seemed appropriate to be as technically-correct as we could in things.... I have never noticed that about GURPS players before. I'm sure that you must be mistaken. The Other David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:03:43 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Re: Origins There is a Christian roleplaying web-zine called "The Way, the Truth, and the Dice," at: http://www.mindspring.com/~ernestm/wt&d/ It has two issues up so far, and issue #1 contains an article on In Nomine, by one Rodney Barnes. Long-time readers of the list may recognize this article as adapted from Mr. Barnes' notes on how to adapt IN to make it more Christian-specific. Among other things, he considerably ups the brightness and contrast, as one would expect. When the original article first came to the list's attention, there was some indignation because Mr. Barnes appeared to be calling Derek Pearcy a balseraph; Barnes now makes it clear that this is not what he meant. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:48:50 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: IN> Malphas Servitor Attunement. Malphas has a servitor attunement -- it's not Imbroglio, it's the other one, the one that lets you make two people get into a fight. It says that the CD you get adds to the demon's Will, and that the victim can resist. Why does it add to the demon's will? Does the demon have to roll to activate this? How does it work? Does the one essence spent to activate the power add to the check digit, or do you have to spend more? Is there errata I should be looking for? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:03:14 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Mariel, Meserach, and a Very Empty Tummy At 14:13 -0400 7/11/00, edg@pyramid.sjgames.com wrote: >Let's say that not only does getting eaten by Haagenti send you to Limbo, >it also shatters your Heart. Otherwise, we wouldn't think you were dead, >would we? Seems reasonable. But if you were eaten celestially, it's not clear you *can* get out of Limbo -- at least in any normal way. (This is why Kyrios and Shedim don't go there -- if they did, they can't generate vessels to get out, because they can't use vessels. So the Powers That Be decided to mercy-kill them, instead....) >And since when you come out of Limbo, you reappear where you entered it, >in your brand new shiny vessel, you'd need to wait until Haagenti visited >the corporeal plane. (After all, his stomach travels with him.) >Otherwise, you'd just bounce every time you tried to leave Limbo. A >rubber room, if you will. That's the way I view it. >Of course, you could leave fairly quickly if you had created a rat vessel. >But there are two Demon Princes in Limbo thanks to Haagenti. They won't >settle for a mangy rodent. They'll want noble, humanoid vessels. So >they'll be in there for a while. The problem here is that the Princes would get out fairly quickly -- it doesn't take *that* long to collect enough Essence for even a top-of-the-line vessel. A few decades ought to be plenty. They've been gone a lot longer than that. So there must be something keeping them there.... Elizabeth already posted on our non-canon notion of sorcery maybe being able to provide an alternate path out of Limbo. (Though there's the question of why this isn't known.... In our case, I think we postulated that the sorceror had to provide a vessel, and how many sorcerors are Superiors? Just one (potentially), in canon. As a human, Lilith could theoretically be a sorceror, though canon doesn't mention it one way or the other, as far as I remember. Of course, if Lilith got them out, they'd *OWE* her.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:07:11 -0500 (CDT) From: edg@pyramid.sjgames.com Subject: Re: IN> Malphas Servitor Attunement. On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, ben wrote: > Malphas has a servitor attunement -- it's not Imbroglio, it's the other one, > the one that lets you make two people get into a fight. It says that the CD > you get adds to the demon's Will, and that the victim can resist. Polarize. And actually, it says that Essence spent adds to both CD and Will. (I want to know what happens to the demon with 12 Will who spends 3 Essence and rolls a 6 CD.) > Why does it add to the demon's will? Does the demon have to roll to > activate this? How does it work? Does the one essence spent to activate > the power add to the check digit, or do you have to spend more? Is there > errata I should be looking for? It's not stated, but the demon must roll Will in order to activate the attunement. If the victim does not try to resist, or fails the Contest of Wills, the attunement goes off, with the stated effects. If the victim wins the contest, the effect fizzles. As far as I can tell, a demon with this power does NOT need to spend Essence to activate it. Any Essence spent toward the Will roll increases /both/ the target number /and/ the check digit. - -EDG You know, Batman, I really don't think black is your color. Robin, you jerk! * Batman chases Robin around with a giant mallet. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:11:04 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Mariel, Meserach, and a Very Empty Tummy At 5:03 PM -0400 7/11/00, Walter Milliken wrote: > >The problem here is that the Princes would get out fairly quickly -- it >doesn't take *that* long to collect enough Essence for even a >top-of-the-line vessel. A few decades ought to be plenty. They've been >gone a lot longer than that. So there must be something keeping them >there.... Well, think about it. Mariel has been consigned to literal oblivion. She might be perfectly content in Limbo, and her fate may be strengthening her Word. She'd likely need a reason to *leave.* And Meserach? He'll get *around* to it, already. Don't *rush* him. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:40:52 -0500 From: "Erich S. Arendall" Subject: Re: IN> Mariel, Meserach, and a Very Empty Tummy > And Meserach? He'll get *around* to it, already. Don't *rush* him. That reminds me. I need to come up with the Demon of Slackers. Maybe later. - -Erich S. Arendall "Shadow Sprite" Demon of Critical Failures at the Worst Possible Time for Players and the Best Time for GMs, Impudite of The Game - ------------------------- Touched by an Impudite http://www.impudite.com ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 2000 15:54:42 -0700 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> A clarification about this mailing list/INC/Pyramid. NOT a complaint. On Tue, 11 July 2000, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > Wrong -- the introduction to the list specifically states that SJGames > has the right to _archive_ the things -- that's the digest, and the > archives thereof. The INC is not mentioned as having that right, > and since I'm not sure of the status... Then the next logical course of action is to go through the INC and email EVERY SINGLE AUTHOR, asking him or her if it's all right for that piece to be archived, and then removing that piece if it's not. And of course, that question must be asked for every single piece of work, regardless of the fact that you've asked the author umpteen billion times about his umpteen billion other articles, because his answer might be different for article umpteen billion plus one. That's a task I don't envy anyone. - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 2000 23:01:20 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re:IN> The Penitent great job, Doug. truly fantastic at the enigmatic level, but with the deeper information and the alternate truths things get magnificent. -=|horsefly|=- Happiness is a laser designator and a friend in the artillery battalion. --Clayton A. Oliver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:16:29 PDT From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: Re: IN> Haagenti's Fate > > In Superiors 2 (and again in S3), Yves' comment on Haagenti is > > something along the lines of "his fate is darker than even he > > can imagine". > > > > Thoughts on this? > >Well, the possibilities that occur to me are: > >1) Eaten by a rival. >2) Eaten by Lucifer. >3) Eaten by himself. >4) Starved to death. > >All of which must already have occurred even to Haagenti, so >maybe it's off in another direction entirely, not even involving >consumption. 5) He's sacraficed by Kobal like the pawn that he is. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:29:35 PDT From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: Re: IN> [short] In Nomine 1/2, part 1/? > > New Corporeal Discord: Jusenkyo > >Something I missed: The level of the Discord is the penalty not only to the >Will roll to change vessels, but to any attempt to convince anyone who has >not witnessed the change (in at least one direction) that the two (normal >and transformed) are one and the same. > >Note also that this Discord* can also be acquired by non-celestials! If it >is, the person may /only/ change back and forth by use of the hot/cold >water >phenomenon. > >* (I've forgotten what the word is for Discord-type afflictions in >mundanes. >I know it's not Discord, though.) > >-EDG > all that dishonor for nothing! Woo-hoo! Ranma and In Nomine. It's crossover fanfic time! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:32:47 -0500 From: "Kiara S. Legner" Subject: Re: IN> A look at Lilim >> > Since GURPS players tend to be interested in technicalities more than most, > it seemed appropriate to be as technically-correct as we could in things.... The Other David wrote: >> I have never noticed that about GURPS players before. I'm sure that you must be mistaken. << Uh-huh. And you and your buddies on That Other List (not even GURPS, mind you) aren't discussing the proper fuel composition of a fuel-air propelled something-or-another the other day, nor the detailed makeup of the flu, either... Excuse him, folks. His brain needs an adjustment. Ki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:04:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Haagenti's Fate On Tue, 11 Jul 2000, Douglas Muir wrote: > In Superiors 2 (and again in S3), Yves' comment on Haagenti is something > along the lines of "his fate is darker than even he can imagine". > Thoughts on this? Haagenti is hunger, consumption without satisfaction, gluttony... not just for food, but for Power as well. He ate his way up from gremlin to Demon Prince, devouring two Superiors along the way... the ONLY reason he stopped was to prevent Hell from rallying against him. But he's not satisfied. He's not content. He wants more. Always. IMC, Haagenti's Fate is to devour Lucifer, take control of Hell, and eventually devour all of Hell itself. Without Hell, destinies and fates and good and evil will all become irrelevant, leaving humanity no way to be judged. The Symphony becomes a joke. Also IMC, Kobal suspects this, and just wants to make sure he's the last one devoured before Hell goes under, so he can laugh in God's face just one more time. That's The Big Punchline. "Ha, ha, great creator... and I did it all with a DEMONLING." - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian Meow! "Human germ!" -- Shrapnel (Decepticon), _Transformers: The Movie_ ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 2000 19:30:27 -0700 From: Casca Subject: IN> Humorous, yet still useful, Song This was a possible contender for inclusion in Liber Canticorum back in the day, but for whatever reason it didn't make the cut. So I figured I'd share it. Note: This creative work may be posted on any In Nomine webpage. Except for the INC, because I'm feeling petty. (Hey, at least I'm honest.) Song of Computers This Song is rumored to have been developed by Orc, the Angel of Networks, and as such was first used on computers. However, its applications are much broader and can be used on any kind of electronic technology. CORPOREAL: Allows the user to alter hardware so that it is compatible with any other form of electronic technology. Thus, it can be used to attach a Pentium processor to a Mac motherboard or a telephone to a toaster. Performing this song is called "Doc Brown-ing" by Servitors of Lightning, in reference to Christopher Lloyd's character in the "Back to the Future" movies. Verbal perfomance of the song usually involves such phrases as "Work, damn you," "stupid machine!" and "I'll trade you in for a Radio Shack if you don't work"; gestures include mashing linkages together and massive amounts of duct-taping. The more incompatible the technology, the greater the check digit required; the aforementioned Mac-to-PC interface would require only a CD of 1, whereas melding an 8-Track to a nuclear missile would require a CD of at least 4. ETHEREAL: Allows the user to run software that is incompatible with the system or other software, or recover electronic data that has been destroyed beyond the retrieval/repair capabilities of modern Utilities. Similar in nature to its Corporeal counterpart, it is called "Neuromancing". Verbal components include cursing Bill Gates or Windows 95; gestures are hitting keys at random, rebooting, and toggling the power switch. Windows to Mac/Unix/DOS/etc would be CD 1; Windows to a Game Boy cartridge would be at least 3. CELESTIAL: Allows the user to see if there are any intelligences inhabiting the system, such as AIs, poltergeists, or Kyriotates of Jean. A successful roll indicates the number and natures of such intruders. The user has to option to kick the entity out, in which case the defending entity must roll its Computer skill vs the Song roll to stay inside or be ejected. This is called "Ghosting," a la 'Ghost in the Machine'. Essence requirement: 1 Degree of Disturbance: Check Digit - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 2000 19:34:52 -0700 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Haagenti's Fate On Tue, 11 July 2000, Earl Wajenberg wrote: > This was sort of the Fate I made up for Saminga, when I wrote > up his successor, Azazel. I can send that to you, Doug, or > re-post it, if people are interested. I'm interested. Please post. - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:40:08 -0400 From: Bull Subject: Re: IN> Re: Origins (very OT) At 02:22 PM 7/11/00 -0700, Graveyard Greg wrote: > >>If there is anyone else running IN and you'll be in the onsite book, >>or if you want some help rustling up an impromptu game onsite, >>contact me privately ASAP (before Wednesday afternoon). > >Cool--maybe I'll see you (and hopefully some of the other fellow IN'ers) at >Origins! I'd love to play a few pickup games of IN while I'm at the con. > I'll be at Origins and probably spending a LOT of my time hanging out at the FASA booth, dealing with Andon's incompitence, or running stuff for the Shadowrun Tournament at Origins, as well as working on the Origins version of CardHalla ( http://bull.dumpshock.com/cardhalla/ ). Howver, I'll definately be trying to check out the seminars if I can get the free time :] Maybe catch a couple of you there... (And if any In Nomine games sprout up, maybe me and one of my GM's can pop in and check it out). Also, as another note, Steve kenson, one of the contributers for the Angelic Players Guide, will be around and GMing the SR tourney if anyone feels like pestering him Bull ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:50:44 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> Archangel Eve At 4:36 PM -0400 07/10/00, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >At 4:21 PM -0400 7/10/00, Charles Phipps wrote: >>However I could never figure out where Eve went (unless she became Kronos) > >You know.... > >That could be a really cool interpretation... That's just wrong. Wrong. WRONG! Keep up the good work. . . Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = tafkaj@thrifty.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:56:45 +0100 From: "Laurent" Subject: Re: IN> Mariel, Meserach, and a Very Empty Tummy Question about the Limbo. Can the Celestial Song of Tongues be used to send a message from/to Limbo? I have H&H at home, but didn't have time to read it yet. Laurent. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:17:53 -0400 From: "Aaron Medwin" Subject: Re: IN> Mariel, Meserach, and a Very Empty Tummy From: Laurent > Question about the Limbo. Can the Celestial Song of Tongues be used to send a message from/to Limbo? Yep. 15 words per point of Essence, according to H&H. Without the Song, 5 words can be sent per point of essence. > I have H&H at home, but didn't have time to read it yet. > Laurent. - -Aaron Medwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:16:24 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Haagenti's Fate In a message dated 7/11/00 9:27:13 PM Central Daylight Time, pkitty@brainpuke.com writes: << IMC, Haagenti's Fate is to devour Lucifer, take control of Hell, and eventually devour all of Hell itself. Without Hell, destinies and fates and good and evil will all become irrelevant, leaving humanity no way to be judged. The Symphony becomes a joke. >> I don't know. The Symphony did alright without Hell for billions of years. It's really a very new place, cosmicly speaking. Reverend Brian A. Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:49:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: IN> A fine example of the Game in practice... http://salon.com/mwt/feature/2000/07/12/protective_services/index.html Personally, I've never heard anything good about CPS. If someone needs the Game to harrass humans for a while, they would probably be a good agency to use. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emily K. Dresner -- http://www.nodonut.com/zenith The Parisian Asphalt Initiative - Paving France for a Better Tomorrow http://www.pave-france.org Demiurge says "This is what happens when you chain up Malakim!" Demiurge says "Monkeys run riot!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:53:46 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Haagenti's Fate Casca wrote: > > On Tue, 11 July 2000, Earl Wajenberg wrote: > > > This was sort of the Fate I made up for Saminga, when I wrote > > up his successor, Azazel. I can send that to you, Doug, or > > re-post it, if people are interested. > > I'm interested. Please post. Okay. The following is an excerpt from the write-up I did for Azazel. She is being interviewed by a reporter for the Nybbas News network. - --- Hackenflast: "Your Highness, this is an enormous surprise to the infernal public, of course. Would you be willing to tell us anything about how you acceeded to the Word of Death?" Azazel (smiles): "I'd be happy to. I'll even tell you the trick, since it'll never work again. I inherited the Word from Saminga. He left it to me in his Last Will and Testament. With the last of his will, actually..." Hackenflast: "So Saminga is-- is indeed--?" Azazel: "Dead. By suicide." (Again the smile.) Hackenflast: "And can Your Highness give any motive for this suicide?" Azazel: "Saminga was particularly wary, you know, of any of his Servitors growing too powerful. I am a Free Lilite, but I often did work for him. He often sent me to reduce the power of his minions. In many cases of Wordbound death-demons, I did so by introducing them to a new vice: Force-burning. They can increase their Word Forces by deliberately destroying one of their other Forces, thus consumately serving their Word. In effect, they convert a non-Word Force into a Word Forces." Hackenflast: "But how can a mere demon do that? Doesn't that take the intervention of--" Azazel: "A Superior. Yes. Saminga himself. I persuaded his, um, overgrown Wordbound into coming to him voluntarily, to have their Forces burned. Rearranged, really. They lost something, yes, but they gained in Word-power, and in their Master's favor. Those that he didn't decide to destroy outright, of course." Hackenflast: "And Saminga fell victim to this himself?" Azazel (purrs): "Mm-hm. Did I mention that the experience is ecstatic? For a Death-worded. Might also work for Gluttony. Maybe even Fire. Think about it, kids.... But, yes, old Saminga got in the habit of occasionally sawing off one of his own Forces and giggling as he watched his Word grow. I think people have noticed that, for instance, in recent years, his Ethereal powers weren't all you might expect in a Prince.... As his judgement weakened, he began to rely on me more. Finally, he was almost all Word, just one *leeettle* speck of Celestial Force left. He *so* wanted to be *all* Word, nothing but his Word -- think about *that*, all my peers out there. But a Word's not a Word if there's no one to hold it. So I persuaded him, as his last act, as he became nothing but Word, to give himself to me. "And here I am." - --- Earl ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1709 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.