From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Jul 26 22:32:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA28244 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:32:02 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id WAA19666 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:29:29 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:29:29 -0500 Message-Id: <200007270329.WAA19666@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1735 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, July 26 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1735 In this digest: IN> Fwd: Laurence and Blandine courtly love IN> How to do a Net Book by Charles Phipps Re: IN> Fwd: Laurence and Blandine courtly love IN> Morgan the Kyrio (Re: Re: Netbook) Re: IN> IN Romance -- Opposites Attract IN> Laurence, Blandine, and Beleth (the lurker's take) IN> Do Superiors enter Trauma? Re: IN> In Nomine Adventures (Was Dead Superiors) Re: IN> In Nomine Adventures (Was Dead Superiors) Re: IN> In Nomine Adventures (Was Dead Superiors) Re: IN> In Nomine Adventures (Was Dead Superiors) Re: IN> Do Superiors enter Trauma? IN> Re: The Joker IN> Re: Wrong Band Re: IN> IN Romance -- Opposites Attract Re: IN> Fwd: Laurence and Blandine courtly love Re: RPGA (Was Re: IN> Dead Superiors ) Re: IN> Re: The Joker Re: IN> Fwd: Laurence and Blandine courtly love Re: IN> Re: Demon of Pollution IN> To Whom the Birds Have Sung Re: IN> Re: The Joker Re: IN> To Whom the Birds Have Sung IN> S3 & the new Character Sheets? IN> Question... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:15:47 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Fwd: Laurence and Blandine courtly love >From: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:22:12 -0500 >To: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [Twila Oxley Price ] >Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:22:09 -0400 (EDT) >From: Twila Oxley Price >Subject: Laurence and Blandine courtly love > > >Count this lurker in as being interested in doing something on this >theme. (I've already been researching courtly love, the typical >Catholic wedding vow (which makes for an interesting scenario in and >of itself if Maurice's wedding scene plays out, I mean, Laurence has >vowed > >"I, Laurence, take you, Blandine, to be my wife. I promise to be true >to you in good times and in bad, in sickness and in health. I will >love and honor you all the days of my life. This is my solemn vow." >and what does he do NOW?), Laurence's early life, and my take on when >he first saw her. (He's been in love with her since shortly after he >fledged. Yep. That whole chaste love from afar thing...) Now, what I >really need to figure out is... how in the heck does he get from >adoring from afar to active courtship? I mean, something has got to >trigger him into action. > >But, hey, it's fascinating. > >Twila (Can I get the Mercurian of Lurkers word? I've been lurking here >since Digest #2 or so.) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:03:14 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> How to do a Net Book by Charles Phipps Well as a contributor to Net Books in my time (you can read my entries in the Book of S____) series on www.kargatane.com I have one thing to tell you that frankly comes from years of experience. "Themed Books" almost inevitably fail. The reasons for this simply is that a netbook is such an amazingly good idea people come up with all their ideas they've been sitting on for about a year and immediately work themselves up into a tizzy about it. The Kargatane netbooks suceed however because they are broad enough to interest whoever has an interest in the netbook himself. Our only netbook of note "Dark Victory" is an exception to this rule and frankly one that due to the strength of it's theme (and the fact it's relatively small) was able to chug out. Thus here is my recommendation.... Do all the ideas. The Netbook would start open perhaps with an opening theme.... Part I "The Book of Destiny" opening vigenette: (I'd be happy to write this) Old Yves walks into his private study and pulls out a big book talking to "someone" who say he has a big need for the Book of Destiny. Yves smirks and says that is a tall order. You'll find everything you need in this book, some of it's true, some of it...eehhh less true but it's all interesting reading. This section of the Book would deal with everything that is Heavenly in In Nomine whether it is a bright bubbly Mercurian NPC, The wrath of God Malakim Corps bent on hunting down humans and human only order, or new rules for Divine interventions. With a smattering of Bible/Quaran/etc quotes we'd have room to insert a a campaign called "Laurence and Blandine's Courtship" which would be the largest article in the Book of Destiny. Part II "The Book of Fate" Kronos in his study (which resembles a huge room with about five billion clocks inside it-they will all chime at once when Armageddon hits he believes) is currently writing out the Fates of the leaders of the free world when you walk in. He says something cute like "You were fated to come here." and removes the Book of Fate (which he has a copy of) and hands it over saying that many dark secrets of Hell are inside here...use it wisely and your fate will be sealed. Here we'd do Hellish artifacts, new Superiors for the Diabolical, and perhaps jokes like 101 ways to tick off Lucifer by Iblis the Demon of Insubordination. Part III "The Book of Freedom" How we open this is up in the air though it occurs to me that "Interview with a Vampire" seems the best way to go along with this...and instead have a Grigori being the one interviewed. "What so your an angel? Gimme a break I gave that up in Sunday school....." (she sprouts wings....and her eyes glow red while the cigarette falls out of the reporter's mouth) Here we'd deal with Corporeals, Ethereals, the Tsadyim, the Grigori, the Nephilim, and everyone else who has an effect on the War of Light and Darkness but frankly isn't loyal to either side. It might contain rules for playing things, a description of how the various Pantheons are allied to and from heaven/hell now after etc, or it might give such interesting NPCs as the Hook, King Arthur and the rest of the Knights of the Round Table still creeping around the marches looking for the Holy Grail, and maybe some interesting artifacts like Uriel's Box and Cthulhu's gate. The book of course would require a few things to actually publish however... 1:) Authors: Duh we need contributions that first of all are interesting enough to be included, second of all are well written, and third of all are enough to fill such a massive tome. 2:) Editor(s) My web knowledge experience is practically nil...simply put I can't figure out how to make a webpage let alone create enough links for something like this. 3:) Judges Despite all some of the stuff submitted is not going to be interesting/orginal/or too messy in punctuation or spelling to be included. Someone or a group of Someones (prefferably) is going to have to judge whether or not this stuff is good/what might help. Recommendations right now would be to create "Liber Temporeus" (The Book of Ages is a good title for this I think-especially since it's likely to include folks like Legion and the rest-though David's covered most so I doubt we need to include Raph or Uriel) 1:) Do it over the list while someone coordinates 2:) Create a Egroups place and get volenteers and that's my .02 Make no mistake...creating a good netbook is a big commitement. - -Charles Phipps If God wanted humanity to have free will, he would have created credit cards ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:13:35 -0500 (CDT) From: edg@pyramid.sjgames.com Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Laurence and Blandine courtly love From: Twila Oxley Price > >love and honor you all the days of my life. This is my solemn vow." Hadn't thought of that. If Laurence makes this vow, does he get more Chains? - -EDG "Okay, Laurence, you get three more character points to spend." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:44:22 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Morgan the Kyrio (Re: Re: Netbook) At 9:00 PM -0700 7/25/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:34:13 EDTFrom: >Daedalus3D@aol.com [...] >>3) Maurice's David and Michael go "help" Blandine >>Idea (if she'll let us steal it). [...] >Ahem. _He'll_* be more than happy to: Awww, it's an understandable mistake to make with a Kyriotate. Not everyone sees the differences in wrists on all those hands, and the feather-banding patterns, well, those are _really_ diufficult to distinguish. I'd go into it more, but Iolanthe is about to work herself into a squigglecrankfit. O;> - --Beth, catching up as she can, typing with a baby (iolanthe) in her lap. Vapitalizatoin and spelling still difficult, typing w/ 1 hand (and often a wigglebaby in the other). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:35:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Campbell Subject: Re: IN> IN Romance -- Opposites Attract Oh, shucks. This is some of the saddest stuff I ever read. . . MopeyJenni - --- Charles Glasgow wrote: >His need for > perfect loyalty is so great that if he ever > permitted a Lilim to read it, > she might drown within his eyes." ===== "The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them." - -William Clayton ICQ UIN: 14514495 AIM: Pepper2540 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:45:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Twila Oxley Price Subject: IN> Laurence, Blandine, and Beleth (the lurker's take) If a lurker's opinion is anything to go on, the whole idea of Laurence's courtly love for Blandine is definitely fascinating. I've already been moved to research (again) the rules for courtly love, Roman Catholic wedding vows, and my brand-spanking-new copy of S3. And the possibilities for a net.book are ... maybe not endless, but certainly susceptible to various approaches. The very solemn and totally serious Arthurian take (my favourite, since I've always been a sucker for doomed love and chivalry). The comedy of a clueless Malakite trying to court an oblivious Cherub. The tragedy of what happens if Beleth did redeem -- or worse, what if she didn't? I've begun writing an outline for my take on it (Laurence falling in love after seeing Blandine taking on Uriel in the Council about the Purity Campaign..., his *a-ha!* of recognition when Courtly Love began taking root in men's minds, and his little presents over the centuries of dead demons and the like... when he had a few moments to actually go out a-hunting his very own self) and I have even begun work on Beleth's new Word (Selfless Love, actually ... which makes some kind of sense, given that this might be the Only Thing that would be strong enough to support her through the Redemption process, imho). So count this as one vote for the Laurence/Blandine Courtly Romance net.book. Twila (cherub petitioning for the Word of Mailing Group Lurkers) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:57:37 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Do Superiors enter Trauma? Just a curious thought here. Let's say that Laurence on the Earth is summoned by his servants to do battle with the dark villian Belial who is currently been summoned to watch an entire congregation being burned in a church by the Ku Klux Klan. The servitors are duking it out trying to keep the group from being rescued/trying to rescue the group while Laurence raises his sword and says.... "Thou shalt not kill these Gabrielite." "That b*tch has no meaning to me boy." "You cannot change one's nature....and thus shall perish for your ignorance." and they duel *WHOMP* *WHAP* *WOMP* *STAB* After Belial's flame thrower is repelled by Laurence's shield, the Knight of the heavenly host has plunged his sword into Fire-boy's skull and destroyed his vessel. Laurence raises his hand, fire goes out, everyone priases the lord while he gives a swift pat on the back to his servitors. Now here's the question? Is Belial now in trauma or or is he back in Hell recovering from nothing more than wounded pride at losing his vessel (just like a Malakim) Cause if he's in trauma this probably represents some momments of Gabrielley sanity and some serious turmoil for the Superior in question....even if only for alittle bit. So...do they? - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:05:59 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Enanidah=20Kallai?= Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Adventures (Was Dead Superiors) Going to have to heavily snip this one I think :) - --- Bull wrote: > Hehe... I'm > devoured all but the GMG (because my GM and the guy > who owns it keeps > forgetting to briong it over) and the SUperiors > books (Because he/we havn't > bought them yet)... But here's my take :] Really try to get your hands on the Superiors books - they are well worth it. > > (And my apologies in advance if I go over something > that's already been > said. I've missed a healthy portion of this thread) > Ditto. > Generally, they don't, though it seems that the > nature of the game has a > huge impact on this. > > D&D players, at least once upon a time, would buy > anything. This was a > good thing, as it created an interesting "Shared > World" aspect to the early > days of the game (I think Shared World is the phrase > I'm looking for). Yes it is AFAIK. I don't like Shared World. Personal pref I know - but I like it to be our campiagn - and there are problems when your campaign takes the other path - makes it impossible to keep within the Shared World. Not played them - but I can see your point - I'm not an AD&D basher nor do I make comments along the lines of 'I played it and then grew up'. And because they've gone to a different > style of telling > adventures... Most of these are more of a > "campaign" style book, where > they tell an story and give you ways to write > adventures for your players > around the story, very much the way some of the > Revelations books were > (namely the 3 I enjoyed the most: Night Music, Fall > of the Malakim, and > Final Trumpet). > *BOGGLE* You like FotM and FT?? You are in a minority of 1 there on this list then. Not wishing to rehash /that/ debate but suffice to say comments were made in strong language about plotholes you could drive a truck through. Although I also see your point here about having mixed sourcebooks - I just prefer all my stuff in one book. I'm a big Liber fan. > From what I've been able to figure out is that > basically, straight modules > don't seel for one simple reason: They're > unnecessary. Because people like to feel they can do better. Regardless of the truth of that. Which is hardly surprising on the whole. > > A "Campaign" book, ala the Rev Cycle books, are > necessary, IMO. They > expand on the Superiors, they give new rules, they > tell some kick ass > stories that furthered the canon plotline, AND they > give you some toys to > play with if you want to run any of the story as an > adventure for your > players. The ultimate in useful books (Though hell > if you're trying to > find a specific rule that got buried in there > somewhere :)). > I utterly disagree, but I think I've given my reasons for this already. I would happily buy some small plot books but I don't want to end up buying them just to get the rules that I feel I need to run a Canon game. My main complaint about the Revelations Cycle was that ultimately they weren't very useful. Everything except the plots is slowly being superceded by much better versions, and it's all together in topics now. much better. > With a book like this, usually at least one player > in a group will buy the > books. Granted, it's usually the GM, but others may > buy the books as well, > for all of the above reasons. Book hoarder here and so are most of the folk I play with - yup :) It has just as good a > chance of being bought > by at least one player, and possibly more, as a book > like Liber Cant. Not according to my experiences *shrug* Liber Cant got highest priority right after Main book and in a couple of cases before. > > However, canned adventures just don't have this > appeal. Players who aren't > planning to ever run In Nomine will definately NOT > pick up this book, I've bought adventures for games I never intend to play, and so have quite a few other people I know. Maybe just the second hand shops round here are very good ;) But few plots are ever utterly one game/system. > whereas they may pick up a Rev Cycle book or Liber > Cant. And more than a although here I backstab my point because I'd never buy a book like Liber Cant without intending to play - hmmm - actually I have bought that kind of sourcebook before for a game I didn't play - hmm - > few GMs will shrug and not pick it up. Canned > Adventures (ala D&D Modules) > rarely make for good stories, and a lot of GMs just > don't like Modules > (This I think is partly a "I can do this myself" > attitude, and a backlash a > lot of "modern" gamers have against D&D. I know > most of my group hates > Modules, and if I ever run one, I have to do it off > notes, and not have the > book around. Course, they rarely know the > difference, but... :)) > Agree totally here. > Very true. I honestly was very surprised that CoC > won any awards this year > at origins. Hell, I barely had registered that they > were on the ballots. > If it wasn't for the fact thata new > edition comes out every 2 > years or so, I'd have thought the game was out of > print :] I'm a big Nephilim fan and only bought the CoC stuff for that - still think CoC is a dreadful game and I'm a big Lovecraft fan. But I know waayy too many CoC fans to believe it's dying, although maybe things diff round where you are. > An interesting point to note (though it slightly > contradicts some of my > comments above. Life is like that, of course). Yup - I do it a few times as well - so hopefully you won't hold it against me either ;) > > Modules are normally the worst selling product in > any game line. FASA (I *snip* FASA module selling rate is just plain weird though. I play SR too - and I think a lot of their older stuff is shifting better now than it did new - deeply weird. > selling adventures FASA's ever done, forcing them to > rethink the whole > "killing our adventures" thing. The debugging section thing is great according to our SR Gm - then again I think he needs it so much because the plot leaves out all the really /obvious/ (ie ideas I thought of ;) ) plot options. > > Basically, it boils down to a couple of things: 1) > you need to make sure > they're interesting and have good hooks, and 2) it > helps if you have a > Dynamic Game world, and the adventures revolve > around events that change > that game world. I think this is the critical point - because I'm not terribly keen on Dynamic Game World - I dislike the feeling of obligation to buy books that comes with dynamic worlds. I buy books a lot yes - but mostly second hand. There's something thrilling about > saying "I helped Stop > Deus", and knowing that, in the FASA SR Timeline, > Deus was stopped. And something deeply annoying about linear plots that make events happen regardless of your actions and way too many Campaign books have that - largely because future books take into account one version - logically they have to I know. FASA try hard though - the player input thing was a nice idea - but I prefer the SJG version on the whole - - this list basically for IN. > The Rev Cycle Books, if you ran through them, could > have that same effect. > later down the road, when they refer to Furfur the > Demon Prince of > Hardcore, you can smile and say "I helped him get > there", or you can curse > to yourself and say "I was THAT close to stopping > him". Obvious comment - I did stop him :P but seriously I've said all the points on this I need to make I think. > > >> And that means no more libers. (The Canticorum > was handy; the others > strictly optional.) > > > Well... I've looked through them, and Liber Cant > and Liber Req were both > cool. Liber Cant is almosta necessity, and Liber > Req was cool for some of > the Guidelines on making Artifacts, and for sheer > ideas. > I would in no way define the Libers as optional - I would call the core sourcebooks. When you look back at the Main Book and how vague it was on artifacts you see why a sep book was needed - flaming swords et al are way too in genre to miss out. And yeah - lots of great plot seeds too. > The Books of Tethers and Servants, on the other > hand... If there'd been > more info on using them, creating them, etc, and > fewer "NPC's", I think > they'd have a lot more value. > Have to agree there. Not what I was looking for in those books. OTH those books are great for showing new players this is what a sample PC of your type looks like - much better than having to try work it out from the Attunments. > Of course, I know that the Percentages change from > area to area. I KNOW > best way to get info on this would be to ask the staff I think - the shop I buy from is big city and sells lots of everything no matter how obscure. Warsinger Still cute and fluffy, but now in new Gluttonous v 2.0 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:29:35 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Adventures (Was Dead Superiors) Enanidah Kallai wrote: > *BOGGLE* You like FotM and FT?? You are in a minority > of 1 there on this list then. No, he's not. There are a lot of problems with FotM and FT, but many people have pointed out that there's some good stuff in them as well. Don't presume to speak for the entire list. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:30:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Campbell Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Adventures (Was Dead Superiors) What are FotM and FT short for? ConfuzzleJenni ===== "The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them." - -William Clayton ICQ UIN: 14514495 AIM: Pepper2540 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:36:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Gant Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Adventures (Was Dead Superiors) On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Jennifer Campbell wrote: > What are FotM and FT short for? Fall of the Malakim and Final Trumpet, respectivly. And there is some decent material in them. Unfortunatly (in my opinion anyway, so as not to be castigated for speaking for the list*), that material is the Superior writeups and not the adventure. *There should be a smiley here. However, there isn't a good way to put one with text enclosed by parenthesis. So here it is. :) Richard Gant - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Gant's Gaming Ghetto: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dunes/4656/ The Returners Final Fantasy Role-Playing Game Site: http://returners.simplenet.com/ or http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Matrix/5758/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 17:37:44 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Do Superiors enter Trauma? At 3:57 PM -0400 7/26/00, Charles Phipps wrote: >Now here's the question? Is Belial now in trauma or or is he back in Hell >recovering from nothing more than wounded pride at losing his vessel (just >like a Malakim) A MalakiTE, please... It depends, I would say, on if it were his only instantiation that got offed or if he had another manifestation (pick which word you like best, I like them both) on one (or all, or any) of the three realms. If for some reason he hadn't left a little piece of himself to twiddle its thumbs in Sheol, and were _entirely_ represented within the corporeal vessel Laurence whapped, he might well suffer Trauma, at least for a while. (Measure in seconds to days, depending on GM's whim. I'm not going to pin it down, or even do more than _suggest_ he's _probably_ in Trauma.) If he had an instantiation elsewhere, then he's like a Kyriotate. No Trauma, just a lot of cursing. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:20:46 EDT From: Daedalus3D@aol.com Subject: IN> Re: The Joker << Morgan (FAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Double the Pleasure, Double the Fun... *Phbbbth. :) >> Sorry, Maurice. I only know girls named Morgan.* Why don't you change your signature to be "Maurice Gangster of Love Petitioner for the Word of Space Cowboy" * Pbbbbbtttttttt!!!!!! :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:25:28 EDT From: Daedalus3D@aol.com Subject: IN> Re: Wrong Band << There are plenty of superiors already who really belong to the 'wrong' choir/band for their Word. >> On that note, what's up with these Superiors who seem to be only "the Ultimate" version of a specific choir or band? Example: Belial and Furfur are essentially the Demon Princes of Calabim. Ditto for Zadkiel (Cherubim), Janus (Ophanim), and Litheroy (Seraphim). If I worked for one of these Superiors, I'd feel that left out if I didn't belong to their specific band. But then again, it makes for really interesting characters if you break molds. Nevermind. I'll shut up now. Daedalus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:04:28 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> IN Romance -- Opposites Attract At 11:19 AM -0700 7/26/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: > >"Dominic's darkest secret, to him, is that he knows himself >fallible. Despite himself, he has grieved and wished to spare >angels he sentenced. Despite himself, he has favored some of his >Servitors in the past, and it is rare of them to live up to his >standards forever. Even the most perfect have been soul-killed, >abandoning him in that way. He has shielded himself so constantly, >lest any Servitor discover his biases and weaknesses, that his cloak >has become a relic. (Liber Reliquarum, p. 93) His need for >perfect loyalty is so great that if he ever permitted a Lilim to >read it, she might drown within his eyes." Clearly I remembered that without remembering it. Cool. It works in Canon then. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:05:21 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Laurence and Blandine courtly love At 2:13 PM -0500 7/26/00, edg@pyramid.sjgames.com wrote: >From: Twila Oxley Price > >> >love and honor you all the days of my life. This is my solemn vow." > >Hadn't thought of that. If Laurence makes this vow, does he get more >Chains? Yup! - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:24:03 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: RPGA (Was Re: IN> Dead Superiors ) - --On Monday, July 24, 2000 07:02 -0700 Jennifer Campbell wrote: > Yes. That was you. I was slobbing around in a t-shirt > and playing with a really loud group - we laughed our > way through the whole game. > > Hey, instead of a MUSH, have you considered a Chat? > > Just wondering. . . > I hear LPMuds aren't much trouble to put up... Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:24:23 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Re: The Joker At 8:20 PM -0400 7/26/00, Daedalus3D@aol.com wrote: ><< Morgan (FAW) > Kyriotate of Destiny > Petitioner for the Word of Double the Pleasure, Double > the Fun... > > *Phbbbth. :) >> > > >Sorry, Maurice. I only know girls named Morgan.* >Why don't you change your signature to be > >"Maurice >Gangster of Love >Petitioner for the Word of Space Cowboy" > >* Pbbbbbtttttttt!!!!!! :) I know more male Morgans than female ones, so neener. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:35:50 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Laurence and Blandine courtly love - --On Wednesday, July 26, 2000 21:05 -0400 Whistling in the Dark wrote: > At 2:13 PM -0500 7/26/00, edg@pyramid.sjgames.com wrote: >> From: Twila Oxley Price >> >>> > love and honor you all the days of my life. This is my solemn >>> > vow." >> >> Hadn't thought of that. If Laurence makes this vow, does he get more >> Chains? > > Yup! > Is that counting the bride, or...? Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("And for my next impression, Jessie Owens!" *ZING!*) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:15:02 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> Re: Demon of Pollution >Geez, of _course_ I go right for the obvious and >decide Shedite. Why _not_ Djinn? Or Habbalite, for >that matter? Here I am saying just the other day to >myself, "Moe, IN players need more fan-created >Habbalah Princes", but do I put two and two together? Easy there, big fella. That's why we're here... to help. As for other Bands, mm, Impudite is right out and Lilim is very iffy, but IMO any of the other five would work just fine. Balseraph? "Pollution is _good_. It's all about progress. And, you know, most of it comes from trees anyway." Calabite? Hey, where there's fire there's smoke. What could be more entropic than pollution? I think this would be one of those _merry_ Destroyers. Habbalite? Oh, lots of different ways to go with this. Anything from "I am the scourge in the hand of god, using filth to cleanse," to "A species that can't figure out cheap solar is too stupid to be allowed to survive." The backstory on this one could be fun, too. Who was he working under, before he got his Principality? I could see Technology, Death, Fire, Gluttony or Greed. Anyway. Awaiting with interest. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:56:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> To Whom the Birds Have Sung I could use a suggestion or two on this one: he didn't flow all that well. I may need to cut down on the Songs, too (his original incarnation was as a Songmaster, and WAY overpowered). Lastly, I suspect that I stuck too many good bits in, alas. I'm probably going to need him later, so don't be afraid to whack him hard and see if he breaks. :) Morgan (FAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of _I_ Wanted Troubadours, Darn It. Carlos Angel of Troubadours Cherub of Creation IST the Sword Suggested Word Forces: 10 Corporeal Forces: 4 Strength: 7 Agility: 9 Ethereal Forces: 5 Intelligence: 8 Precision: 12 Celestial Forces: 5 Will: 8 Perception: 12 Vessel: human male/2, human female/2, both with Charisma +2 Skills: Artistry/6 (poetry), Emote/4, Fighting/2, Knowledge (musical lore/6, Bardic Lore/3), Languages (French/3, Spanish/3, Large Weapon/3 (sword), Musical Instrument (guitar/6, harp/6, violin/6), Ranged Weapon/1 (shotgun), Savoir-Faire/2, Seduction/4, Singing/6 Songs: Affinity (Ethereal/1, Celestial/2), Blades (Celestial/1), Ecstasy (Etheral/1), Empathy (Ethereal/1, Celestial/1), Forbidding (Ethereal/1), Harmony (Ethereal/2, Celestial/1), Healing (Corporeal/2, Ethereal/1), Lending (Celestial/2), Opening (All/2), Sensations (Ethereal/1, Celestial/1), Shields (Corporeal/2), Solace (Ethereal/3), Tongues (Corporeal/2, Ethereal/1) Attunements: Cherub of Creation, Malakite of Creation, Cherub of the Sword, Purity of Purpose, Scabbard, Angel of Troubadours Angel of Troubadours: By spending 2 Essence, Carlos can inspire anyone in love with another to reveal that in song (if the GM must roll, treat the target as suddenly having a Singing skill of 4). Carlos gains 2 Essence whenever someone sings a genuinely felt love song without his interference. Don't let the current translation of his Word fool you. Carlos is quite busy in the modern era. His Word covers every single person who ever sang of the love of another, whether it was accompanied by a lute or a steel guitar. Carlos got his Word from watching over the court of Queen Eleanor of Aquitaine, fostering the musicians - and the ideals of courtly love - there. Since then, he's watched over some of the greatest singers in history. It's almost as if there are two Carlos living in the same body. One is legendary in Heaven for his love affairs: like his earthly counterparts, Carlos adores chastely from afar (often for decades), pouring out his soul and talent to praise and exalt his inspiration. Those so chosen for this honor - and a deeply sought-for honor it was - were often those whose worth and merit were overlooked, until Carlos' music instructed the less discerning to see what was there all along. He has chosen not to reveal the name of his latest love (he only calls her the Discerning Lady, which sounds better in Angelic and at least confirms the gender), which has led to lively speculation. It is said that, when in the throes of his perfect passion, he can make Elohim weep and Ofanim stand still without dissonance. This makes the other Carlos so confusing. When on earth, sooner or later Carlos becomes somewhat more exuberant. This means that he drinks like a fish, starts parties, revels and brawls for fun, fornicates in numbers noted for both quality and quantity, and generally acts in a manner guaranteed to make the Inquisition foam at the mouth. His corporeal music is rowdy, rude, boisterous ... and literally Divine. All in all, he was the sort of angel that the Archangel of Creation felt great glee in protecting. How he ended up in service to the Sword is thus a bit of a mystery. Eli had barely left the Cathedral before Laurence immediately swooped down and snapped him up for his organization. In marked contrast to most Creationers, Carlos has been since rewarded well for his talents: he's become the unofficial bard for Laurence's organization, commemorating their victories and most outstanding Servitors. His less than pure antics are amazingly well tolerated - even condoned. Paladins do appreciate the bards that sing of them ... and realize that they are not subject to quite the same strictures. Still, the fact that the Inquisition has ignored all but his most outrageous stunts (which, admittedly, have toned down, slightly, over the last few years) is amazing. It is suggested that Laurence's patronage shields him, which answers one question but raises another. Laurence not only tolerates his antics, but also has recently included him in the highest of his councils. This obvious sign of trust confuses many: what could persuade Heaven's Most Perfect Knight to listen with such friendly attentiveness to such a rakish, worldly angel? Possibly Carlos' hidden love has pleaded for his protection. If so, she must be judged powerful indeed, to be able to sway an Archangel. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:54:00 -0700 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> Re: The Joker > << Morgan (FAW) > Kyriotate of Destiny > Petitioner for the Word of Double the Pleasure, Double > the Fun... > > *Phbbbth. :) >> > > > Sorry, Maurice. I only know girls named Morgan.* > Why don't you change your signature to be > > "Maurice > Gangster of Love > Petitioner for the Word of Space Cowboy" > > * Pbbbbbtttttttt!!!!!! :) Or at least spell it with a "e"... That's what we did for my son at least. The Other David Father of the Morgen Anakin Skywalker (Not really but he keeps calling himself that...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:08:25 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> To Whom the Birds Have Sung - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 9:56 PM Subject: IN> To Whom the Birds Have Sung > I could use a suggestion or two on this one: he didn't > flow all that well. I may need to cut down on the > Songs, too (his original incarnation was as a > Songmaster, and WAY overpowered). Lastly, I suspect > that I stuck too many good bits in, alas. One suggestion. How in Creation did he avoid having the *Michaelites* swoop him up and carry him away? If anybody in Heaven would want a bard to help them sing their glories, if anyone would be willing to condone rowdy and boisterous behavior and do their best to run interference vs. the Dominicans, it'd be War -- not the Sword. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:17:59 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: IN> S3 & the new Character Sheets? Anyone who is interested, take note: S3 is out, but where are the new Character Sheets you ask? Well, they're done. In fact, they've been done for weeks now. . . As to why the 'official' page hasn't been updated, all I can say is that Life happens. };;;> (Why are you looking at me like that Beth & EDG? I certainly don't want to handle the official webpage. "Call me weak, _Angel_, but I'm much too busy with other projects. . ."*) *ahem* Anyway, for those of you who just _can't_ wait, you can temporarly (as soon as the official page is updated, these will go away, never to be found on my site again) find them here: http://www.thrifty.net/~tafkaj/in-nomine/csheets/ (And, while you're at it. . . I've made some major changes to the layout/design of my In Nomine website. Check it out, and give me a _private_ email on your opinions. You can find it here: http://www.thrifty.net/~tafkaj/in-nomine/) (* "Why no, I haven't noticed a severe lapse in the update of the official webpage. Why do you ask?" };;;>) Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = tafkaj@thrifty.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:28:52 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: IN> Question... Hypothetical situation: Fast Eddie the Ofanite, Servitor of Destiny gains the Distinction of Master of Divine Knowledge. He chooses the Kyriotate resonance, since he likes the idea of kickin' it around the countryside Ofanim style in several bodies at once. Now also assume that Fast Eddie has more than one vessel, for different situations. Could Fast Eddie now use two vessels at once. Assume that Fast Eddie is an older angel with at least 10 Forces. Also, can Fast Eddie now buy the Kyriotate of Yves Attunement. Can he now receive Kyriotate Attunements from other Superiors? Jus' wonderin'. Reverend Brian A. Rogers of the First Church of Christ, Hypothetical ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1735 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.