From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Jul 27 13:35:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA22774 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:35:04 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id NAA23194 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:32:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:32:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200007271832.NAA23194@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1736 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, July 27 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1736 In this digest: RE: IN> Question... Re: IN> How to do a Net Book by Charles Phipps Re: IN> How to do a Net Book by Charles Phipps Re: IN> How to do a Net Book by Charles Phipps Re: IN> Question... Re: IN> To Whom the Birds Have Sung IN> A Godfather reference here would be a bad pun, right? Re: IN> To Whom the Birds Have Sung Re: IN> To Whom the Birds Have Sung Re: IN> To Whom the Birds Have Sung Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Re: IN> To Whom the Birds Have Sung Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band IN> Those of you looking for an ... interesting ... IN campaign world Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band IN> In Nomine: Before the Fall. Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Re: RPGA (Was Re: IN> Dead Superiors ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:01:16 +1000 From: "Leath Sheales" Subject: RE: IN> Question... My opinions on: > Fast Eddie the Ofanite, Servitor of Destiny gains the > Distinction of Master > of Divine Knowledge. He chooses the Kyriotate resonance, since he > likes the > idea of kickin' it around the countryside Ofanim style in several > bodies at > once. Okay. Now also assume that Fast Eddie has more than one vessel, > for different > situations. Could Fast Eddie now use two vessels at once. Nope. I'd strip all vessels from Eddie when he gains the Kyriotate resonance. Part of the deal, IMO. He has to use hosts like all the other Kyrios now. Assume > that Fast > Eddie is an older angel with at least 10 Forces. Then I'd let him inhabit two humans. Also, can Fast > Eddie now buy > the Kyriotate of Yves Attunement. I'd say yes. Can he now receive Kyriotate > Attunements > from other Superiors? I'd say yes to this. There's a reason why it's a Master Distinction to Destiny: it's bloody powerful. Just my opinon, of course. I could be overruled. Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:29:47 -0500 From: Andrew Hackard Subject: Re: IN> How to do a Net Book by Charles Phipps At 03:03 PM 26/07/00 -0400, Charles Phipps wrote: >Well as a contributor to Net Books in my time (you can read my entries in >the Book of S____) series on www.kargatane.com I have one thing to >tell you >that frankly comes from years of experience. As a contributor, Charles. Not as an editor. >"Themed Books" almost inevitably fail. The Kargatane's themed netbooks were not as large as the general Ravenloft books. They weren't meant to be. Where we consider them to have failed is in the lack of feedback we've received on them, not in the content or the scope. >The reasons for this simply is that a netbook is such an amazingly >good idea >people come up with all their ideas they've been sitting on for about >a year >and immediately work themselves up into a tizzy about it. They also submit a ton of crap, which is something to consider. If you plan to accept most or all of what's submitted, then sure, a theme book will work well. If you prefer to be selective, and only choose the articles of superior quality, then your focus will need to be broader to get the same size book. Personally, I prefer a netbook with broad scope and high-quality articles, but that's a choice -- if the editors (and I do recommend more than one!) are willing to do more work beating articles into shape, then the focus can be as narrow as you like. >Our only netbook of note "Dark Victory" is an exception to this rule and >frankly one that due to the strength of it's theme (and the fact it's >relatively small) was able to chug out. Charles, who is "our" in that sentence? It's not the Kargatane -- we don't have a netbook with that title. >3:) Judges >Despite all some of the stuff submitted is not going to be >interesting/orginal/or too messy in punctuation or spelling to be >included. >Someone or a group of Someones (prefferably) is going to have to judge >whether or not this stuff is good/what might help. The Kargatane vote on each submission, and return many of them to the authors for revisions. We do very few revisions ourselves, and in all cases we give the author final approval on what we've done. I would recommend that whoever is named for this project do the same. (I'll repeat my offer -- I'm happy to discuss the Kargatane's procedures with the netbook editorial team, when it gets organized. Just let me know.) - -- Andrew Hackard, of the Kargatane | andrew@kargatane.com Submissions for the Book of Shadows are now open! Read the submission guidelines at ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:09:00 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> How to do a Net Book by Charles Phipps At 10:29 PM -0500 7/26/00, Andrew Hackard wrote: >At 03:03 PM 26/07/00 -0400, Charles Phipps wrote: > >>Our only netbook of note "Dark Victory" is an exception to this rule and >>frankly one that due to the strength of it's theme (and the fact it's >>relatively small) was able to chug out. > >Charles, who is "our" in that sentence? It's not the Kargatane -- we >don't have a netbook with that title. Dark Victory is an In Nomine net.book, Andrew. Y'remember? Us over here with the Lilim? - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:14:47 -0500 From: Andrew Hackard Subject: Re: IN> How to do a Net Book by Charles Phipps At 12:09 AM 27/07/00 -0400, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >At 10:29 PM -0500 7/26/00, Andrew Hackard wrote: >>Charles, who is "our" in that sentence? It's not the Kargatane -- we >>don't have a netbook with that title. > >Dark Victory is an In Nomine net.book, Andrew. Y'remember? Us over >here with the Lilim? Ah. I'll just be over here, beating my head against the wall a few hundred times. It's been that kind of a week. - -- "People are stupider than anybody." | hackard@io.com -- Tom Lehrer | AIM: Talthybias | ICQ: 19083015 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 01:36:06 -0400 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Question... I'd run it like a Balseraph of Fate with the Kyriotate resonance, which allows you to use a single vessle OR multiple hosts. And as for attunements I see no reason why not. The attunements are restricted because they depend on the resonance. Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 01:45:24 CDT From: "Wade Hursman" Subject: Re: IN> To Whom the Birds Have Sung > >Laurence not only tolerates his antics, but >also has recently included him in the highest of his >councils. This obvious sign of trust confuses many: >what could persuade Heaven's Most Perfect Knight to >listen with such friendly attentiveness to such a >rakish, worldly angel? > Is it possible, that _just maybe_ Laurence has finally found a way to connect with the individaulity of his servitors and, dare we hope, humans?? If so, Carlos probably has the outstanding support of the rest of the Host. Even Dominic might bend the rules a bit if doing so provided that last little boost that Laurence needs to truly become the Commander that Yves says he is. Wade Habbalite of Technology, Demon of Telemarketing ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 06:04:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> A Godfather reference here would be a bad pun, right? Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:20:46 EDT From: Daedalus3D@aol.com Subject: IN> Re: The Joker <<< Morgan (FAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Double the Pleasure, Double the Fun... *Phbbbth. :) >>> >Sorry, Maurice. I only know girls named Morgan.* >Why don't you change your signature to be >"Maurice >Gangster of Love >Petitioner for the Word of Space Cowboy" >* Pbbbbbtttttttt!!!!!! :) Ummm ... no. :)~ OTOH, that does give me an idea. I wonder if a Demon Prince of Crime could avoid being ripped apart by Valefor long enough to hit the top ranks... Moe Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Everybody Happy Now? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 06:11:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> To Whom the Birds Have Sung Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:08:25 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> To Whom the Birds Have Sung - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 9:56 PM Subject: IN> To Whom the Birds Have Sung >>I could use a suggestion or two on this one: he >>didn't flow all that well. I may need to cut down >>on the Songs, too (his original incarnation was as a >>Songmaster, and WAY overpowered). Lastly, I suspect >>that I stuck too many good bits in, alas. >One suggestion. >How in Creation did he avoid having the *Michaelites* >swoop him up and carry him away? If anybody in >Heaven would want a bard to help them sing their >glories, if anyone would be willing to condone rowdy >and boisterous behavior and do their best to run >interference vs. the Dominicans, it'd be War >-- not the Sword. Yes, but the Archangel of War doesn't particularly need somebody with extensive knowledge of courtly love who can advise him on delicate matters. :) This is (for me, at least) one of the perils of writing characters with an specific end in mind more profound than "Gee! This would be neato!": I have difficulty fitting them to the story, rather than the other way around. Such is life. :) Morgan Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Counterpoint (Pardon The Pun) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 06:49:25 PDT From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> To Whom the Birds Have Sung >From: Maurice Lane >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> To Whom the Birds Have Sung >Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 06:11:45 -0700 (PDT) > >Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:08:25 -0500 >From: "Charles Glasgow" >Subject: Re: IN> To Whom the Birds Have Sung >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Maurice Lane" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 9:56 PM >Subject: IN> To Whom the Birds Have Sung > > >>I could use a suggestion or two on this one: he > >>didn't flow all that well. I may need to cut down > >>on the Songs, too (his original incarnation was as a > >>Songmaster, and WAY overpowered). Lastly, I suspect > >>that I stuck too many good bits in, alas. > > >One suggestion. > > >How in Creation did he avoid having the *Michaelites* > >swoop him up and carry him away? If anybody in > >Heaven would want a bard to help them sing their > >glories, if anyone would be willing to condone rowdy > >and boisterous behavior and do their best to run > >interference vs. the Dominicans, it'd be War > >-- not the Sword. > >Yes, but the Archangel of War doesn't particularly >need somebody with extensive knowledge of courtly love >who can advise him on delicate matters. :) He does if he's going to be dating Novalis... although, admittedly, neither of them would be inclined to be "courtly" about it. :-) - -- Chuckg ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:01:36 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> To Whom the Birds Have Sung At 6:49 AM -0700 7/27/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: > >He does if he's going to be dating Novalis... although, admittedly, >neither of them would be inclined to be "courtly" about it. :-) I was going to *say.* "I will take you as my prize. I will conquer your fears and your passions. I will--" "You sound like a romance novel. Be a dear and pass the Miracle-Gro?" - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:00:32 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band I've always suspected these Superiors have large numbers of servitors of their own bands/choirs. Yes, the others must either feel a bit left out or be significantly "bi-cultural." E.g., Mercurians and Seraphim don't generally get along well, but Mercurians of Litheroy (successful ones, anyway) have no such problem and strike other celestials as sort of Mercurian- Seraphic hybrids. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:07:11 GMT From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> To Whom the Birds Have Sung >From: Whistling in the Dark >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >CC: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> To Whom the Birds Have Sung >Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:01:36 -0400 > >At 6:49 AM -0700 7/27/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: >> >>He does if he's going to be dating Novalis... although, admittedly, >>neither of them would be inclined to be "courtly" about it. :-) >I was going to *say.* > >"I will take you as my prize. I will conquer your fears and your >passions. I will--" > >"You sound like a romance novel. But I thought Novalis *liked* romance novels... :-) (Actually, any mental visions I have of those two trying to hook up involve a whole lot of two people both being tongue-tied trying to communicate... he's totally out of his element, and she's almost totally at a loss for why she's attracted to him.) - -- Chuckg ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:17:31 GMT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band I kind of like Belial (you figure Destruction is such a demonic concept anyway ...) but I never saw the point in Furfur, Zadkiel or Litheroy -- you can drop them and never notice the loss. At least Furfur is amusing, I guess :) jo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:43:51 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band At 2:17 PM +0000 7/27/00, Jo Hart wrote: >I kind of like Belial (you figure Destruction is such a demonic >concept anyway ...) but I never saw the point in Furfur, Zadkiel or >Litheroy -- you can drop them and never notice the loss. At least >Furfur is amusing, I guess :) > Furfur could be *very* interesting if the right situation develops, but right now is kind of 'eh.' Litheroy I actively *like.* See, I don't see him as a Super-Seraph. Seraphim are always truthful, but also discreet. Not in a lying by omission way, but in a 'cold-eyed-stare at the question' way. They're remote and alien. And then there's Litheroy. Who loves the Truth, like all Seraphim. But that's not his bag. Not really. It's just a given. No, Litheroy is the Archangel of Revelation. He wants hidden things brought out. He wants the secrets made public. Most of all, he wants to *understand* it all. Only by developing a complete knowledge of the true, perfect Symphony could Litheroy *possibly* understand the whole of the Symphony. And with that perfect understanding would come perfect Revelation, past, present and future, and that in turn could be given to all of the Host, Humanity, Ethereals and Demons alike. And once that total, perfect Revelation had been given to all -- why, these needless conflicts will disappear, won't they? Everyone will understand, and no one will be unhappy. It's not Litheroy's truth that makes him interesting, in other words. It's his almost staggering naivete. It's why he's so devoted to Archeology. Litheroy doesn't *get* humans. He especially doesn't get their capacity to lie to one another. It just makes no *sense* to him. And that extends to lie-like 'nonlies,' like bantering. When a man and a women teasingly banter with each other, and it makes them both the happier... Litheroy just can't wrap his celestial brain *around* that. By digging up artifacts of humanity in the past, Litheroy both reveals them and hopes for insight into their twisty little minds. Zadkiel, on the other hand, has to be the most boring writeup of a Superior I've ever read. In my opinion, of course. It would take a *lot* to make her interesting to me. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 07:56:04 -0700 (PDT) From: sw@haven.eyrie.org Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band > Litheroy I actively *like.* See, I > don't see him as a Super-Seraph. Seraphim are always truthful, but I must say that, at this early morning hour, the phrase "Super-Seraph" caused my leetle brain to explode. "Truth level one million?! IMPOSSIBLE!" We now return you to your regularly scheduled program, free of strange and oblique references. - --JT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:01:02 GMT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band >Furfur could be *very* interesting if the right situation develops, >but right now is kind of 'eh.' If he is, it'll be because he's a very new Prince. Otherwise, I'm sure Belial has plenty of servitors with similar viewpoints/ approaches. (I like Belial quite a lot, really -- it's the one writeup I'd really like to see.) >It's not Litheroy's truth that makes him interesting, in other words. >It's his almost staggering naivete. > Maybe I just don't see how he is so different to any other of Dominic's more naive servitors? I don't really see what he brings to the party. jo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:09:53 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band At 7:56 AM -0700 7/27/00, sw@haven.eyrie.org wrote: > > Litheroy I actively *like.* See, I >> don't see him as a Super-Seraph. Seraphim are always truthful, but > >I must say that, at this early morning hour, the phrase "Super-Seraph" >caused my leetle brain to explode. > >"Truth level one million?! IMPOSSIBLE!" > >We now return you to your regularly scheduled program, free of strange >and oblique references. > >--JT I'm going to be doing In Nomine/Dragonball Z mappings all *day* now. Thank you *so* much, Jt. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:32:21 -0700 (PDT) From: sw@haven.eyrie.org Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band > At 7:56 AM -0700 7/27/00, sw@haven.eyrie.org wrote: > > > Litheroy I actively *like.* See, I > >> don't see him as a Super-Seraph. Seraphim are always truthful, but > > > >I must say that, at this early morning hour, the phrase "Super-Seraph" > >caused my leetle brain to explode. > > > >"Truth level one million?! IMPOSSIBLE!" > > > >We now return you to your regularly scheduled program, free of strange > >and oblique references. > > I'm going to be doing In Nomine/Dragonball Z mappings all *day* now. > Thank you *so* much, Jt. Heh, heh, heh. Just doing my part to spread a little more wackiness into the world. - --JT "So, how many Forces do you need to build Prince Vegita, anyway..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:39:24 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Earl Wajenberg wrote: > I've always suspected these Superiors have large numbers of > servitors of their own bands/choirs. Yes, the others must > either feel a bit left out or be significantly "bi-cultural." > E.g., Mercurians and Seraphim don't generally get along well, > but Mercurians of Litheroy (successful ones, anyway) have no > such problem and strike other celestials as sort of Mercurian- > Seraphic hybrids. I always figured that some Superiors emphasize their own Choir/Band among their Servitors more than others. Laurence, for example, probably has a much greater preponderance of Malakim in his service than David does. Dominic probably prefers Seraphim as Servitors (though he wouldn't discriminate unfairly against angels of other Choirs), whereas Michael appeals universally to any angel who wants to kick ass for the Lord, regardless of Choir. Likewise, Belial is a Calabite's Calabite, but Haagenti has a slightly greater appeal to demons who are interested in more than just destroying things, and Valefor attracts even non-violent types. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:39:11 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band At 3:01 PM +0000 7/27/00, Jo Hart wrote: >>It's not Litheroy's truth that makes him interesting, in other words. >>It's his almost staggering naivete. >> > >Maybe I just don't see how he is so different to any other of >Dominic's more naive servitors? I don't really see what he brings to >the party. Hm... Think of it in these terms. (And understand, I'm not trying to convince you on this, per se. There's nothing that says anyone else has to be interested in Litheroy . This is just trying to textualize why *I* am.) Novalis *believes* in the peaceful solution. Sometimes she has to accept that the other side won't allow it, but she can't ever let herself open with a violent response. It is alien to her being. Dominic *believes* in Judgement. There is always a fair response to any infraction. There is always an appeal that is appropriate. Marc *believes* that through compromise comes community -- that all differences can be reconciled if both parties are able to give and take. Each of the Archangels can have a position (or more than one) expressed this way. Each has a belief that's so powerful, Khalid's Word grows stronger just from the contact high. Litheroy doesn't *believe* in truth. Truth is. He has a Resonance that proves it. That's really the most minor part of it. Litheroy believes in The Reason Why. This is absolute. For all things, there is The Reason Why they are that way. Revelation is devoted to expressing those Reasons Why. If a man beats his wife, it's not enough to say he's doing a horrible thing and must be stopped. Just stopping him doesn't solve anything. There is The Reason Why he beats his wife, and a Servitor of Revelation is expected to find out what it is and use it to stop the wife beating in a permanent way. 'Because' is never The Reason Why. God is *not* Capricious. He has reasons for *everything,* and it follows that his Servants must learn them. This is why Litheroy can't stand Jean's methods. Jean is deliberately restricting The Reason Why things work from humanity, and humanity is therefore drowning in Superstition and misery. Every time diseases go nigh unchecked because the natives believe that evil spirits or a humor-imbalance (or the year 2000 equivilents) are responsible, Litheroy is dumbfounded. Jean has the *answers* right there, and he refuses to give them out. No one is lying (or not often, anyhow) to the human scientists -- but they're also not telling them what they know. Litheroy is kind of the Patron of the Social Sciences, in a way. Anthropology, Archeology, Historical Interpretation and the like are all devoted to working out The Reason Why in their own ways. "Why did primative man make these idols or use these materials in their pottery? Why did the Romans revere boundaries? Why did..." And so on and so forth. Litheroy can't accept that there's ever an irrational reason (or no reason at all) for something. All that conclusion can reveal is that the concluder doesn't have enough information yet. So he digs for more, and more, and more information. If his knowledge of the Symphony were *perfect,* he'd understand all Reasons Why, and he'd be able to express it. Yes, including the Ineffable. "The Ineffable" to Litheroy means that the Reason Why is too big to understand. Yet. But give him time.... Does that help, or am I babbling? - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:26:35 -0500 From: "Kiara S. Legner" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band >>I must say that, at this early morning hour, the phrase "Super-Seraph" caused my leetle brain to explode. "Truth level one million?! IMPOSSIBLE!"<< I do not think that that word means what you think it means. And I shall now sit and try to figure out what Choir and Superior fit Wesley the best. Ki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:12:29 PDT From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band >From: "Kiara S. Legner" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: >Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band >Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:26:35 -0500 > > >>I must say that, at this early morning hour, the phrase "Super-Seraph" >caused my leetle brain to explode. > >"Truth level one million?! IMPOSSIBLE!"<< > >I do not think that that word means what you think it means. > >And I shall now sit and try to figure out what Choir and Superior fit >Wesley the best. If you're referring to "Weasley" Crusher from Star Trek, he's most likely to be one of Jean's, and Jean's stereotype at that. (He's a tech geek who's useless outside the lab without detailed directions from a superior officer.) Which Choir? Beats me. Something ineffectual. - -- Chuckg ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:16:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Those of you looking for an ... interesting ... IN campaign world ... should check out the books of Louis de Bernieres. The trilogy set in South America* are chock full of syncretic religions, angels, spirits of every type and a culture not often seen in roleplaying games. Plus, he's sort of outside the normal (whatever that means) roleplayer's field of vision, so there's a good chance that your players haven't read them. If it wasn't for the fact that SJG has a -3 to licensing requests... :) Morgan Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Hoity-Toity *The War of Don Emmanuel's nether Parts, Senor Vivo and the Coca Lord, and The Troublesome Offspring of Cardinal Guzman. Captain Corelli's Mandolin (his other book available in the US) has no IN content, but is as good a read. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:05:57 -0700 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band > > >>I must say that, at this early morning hour, the phrase "Super-Seraph" > >caused my leetle brain to explode. > > > >"Truth level one million?! IMPOSSIBLE!"<< > > > >I do not think that that word means what you think it means. > > > >And I shall now sit and try to figure out what Choir and Superior fit > >Wesley the best. > > If you're referring to "Weasley" Crusher from Star Trek, he's most likely to > be one of Jean's, and Jean's stereotype at that. (He's a tech geek who's > useless outside the lab without detailed directions from a superior > officer.) BEEEEEEP!! You lose. Anybody else get the reference? My vote is for Malakite, if only for the Trauma issue... The Other David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:34:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Gant Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, David Rodemaker wrote: > BEEEEEEP!! > > You lose. Anybody else get the reference? Yep. Wesly, from the Princess Bride. > My vote is for Malakite, if only for the Trauma issue... That doesn't sound right to me. Well, maybe it does. But it would seem he serves Creation. Inigio Montoya, on the other hand, is an Ophanite of War. Richard Gant - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Gant's Gaming Ghetto: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dunes/4656/ The Returners Final Fantasy Role-Playing Game Site: http://returners.simplenet.com/ or http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Matrix/5758/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:37:15 -0500 (CDT) From: edg@pyramid.sjgames.com Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Charles Glasgow wrote: > If you're referring to "Weasley" Crusher from Star Trek, he's most likely to > be one of Jean's, and Jean's stereotype at that. (He's a tech geek who's > useless outside the lab without detailed directions from a superior > officer.) Methinks someone doesn't like Jean... But, no. Ki is referring to the Man in Black, who - with the Remnants of Laurence and David, the reluctant help of a bizarrely out-of-time Nybbas, and the enmity of Amodeus's shade, Baal, and Vapula - bravely rescues a Soldier of Blandine from her fate. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:21:57 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band At 11:26 AM -0500 7/27/00, Kiara S. Legner wrote: > >And I shall now sit and try to figure out what Choir and Superior fit Wesley >the best. > Ofanite of the Wind, or Djinn of Theft. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:44:57 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 12:37 PM Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band > On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Charles Glasgow wrote: > > > If you're referring to "Weasley" Crusher from Star Trek, he's most likely to > > be one of Jean's, and Jean's stereotype at that. (He's a tech geek who's > > useless outside the lab without detailed directions from a superior > > officer.) > > Methinks someone doesn't like Jean... > > But, no. Ki is referring to the Man in Black, who - with the Remnants of > Laurence and David, the reluctant help of a bizarrely out-of-time Nybbas, > and the enmity of Amodeus's shade, Baal, and Vapula - bravely rescues a > Soldier of Blandine from her fate. Oh, *that* Wesley. Clearly he's a Malakite of Creation. Deadly beyond belief, brave, clever, unorthodox, and able to figure a way to put a hurt on his enemy with anything. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:47:48 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 12:37 PM Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band > On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Charles Glasgow wrote: > > > If you're referring to "Weasley" Crusher from Star Trek, he's most likely to > > be one of Jean's, and Jean's stereotype at that. (He's a tech geek who's > > useless outside the lab without detailed directions from a superior > > officer.) > > Methinks someone doesn't like Jean... Well, I do hate micromanagers. (Anybody who remembers my comments about Laurence's dissonance conditions in the Superiors 1 playtest knows what I mean here... thank Heaven they implemented the suggestions about the "mission-oriented" vs. "detail-oriented" style of order-giving...) But no, Jean isn't quite that bad. Some of his *Servitors*, OTOH... - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:54:26 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: IN> In Nomine: Before the Fall. I am planning to run a long In Nomine game that begins before the Fall -- probably at least 500,000 BCE. The Game Master's Guide suggests that serving an Archangel was not as organized a process as it is today, and that most Archangel's organizations didn't really get established until the Fall and the subsequent Seraphim Council. On the other hand, Archangels clearly had Servitors. Powerful Word-Bound (Dominic) also clearly had Servitors (Asmodeus.) Here are my questions. Q. Who were the Archangels? Malphas, Gabriel, David, Beleth, Blandine, Jean, Raphael, Andrealphus, Janus, Jordi, Oannes and Baal are the only definite names I can find. Q. What was Malphas's Word? I have no idea, but he helped David with plate tectonics. This suggests a few earthly Words to do with breaking up the Earth's crust, but "the Archangel of Continental Drift" doesn't fly for me. Q. Were Eli, Yves, Uriel and Lucifer Archangels? Eli's Word and the stature of Yves, Uriel and Lucifer suggest they were all Archangels. Q. Was Michael merely an Archangel without a Word, or was he just an incredibly powerful angel? Q. Did Archangels grant Choir attunements? If so, were these attunements different than what they grant today? Did Archangels grant Distinctions? Servitor attunements? Rites? Q. Could angels become dissonant, or did this not really happen until Lucifer's Rebellion? Did Archangels have dissonance limitations placed upon their Servitors? Did anyone have discord before the Fall? Q. Could angels literally talk to God (via Metatron), like Kobal (a mere Word-Bound), Yves, Lucifer and Michael (not even a Word-Bound) did? I almost imagine God talking like Metamorphis in Asimov's Light Years cartoon movie. Q. The haphazard granting of the position seems to imply that the title of Archangel wasn't much of a power investiture. Was it the quantum leap in power that it is now? Were the first seven angels already on that power level, regardless of any official titles? Q. Did Belial or Asmodeus have Words, and if so, what were they? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:56:43 -0400 From: "A.Hamilton" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Glasgow" To: Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 1:12 PM Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band > >From: "Kiara S. Legner" > >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band > >Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:26:35 -0500 > > > > >>I must say that, at this early morning hour, the phrase "Super-Seraph" > >caused my leetle brain to explode. > > > >"Truth level one million?! IMPOSSIBLE!"<< > > > >I do not think that that word means what you think it means. > > > >And I shall now sit and try to figure out what Choir and Superior fit > >Wesley the best. > > If you're referring to "Weasley" Crusher from Star Trek, he's most likely to > be one of Jean's, and Jean's stereotype at that. (He's a tech geek who's > useless outside the lab without detailed directions from a superior > officer.) > > Which Choir? Beats me. Something ineffectual. That would be Wesley, as in the protagonist of 'The Princess Bride'. Which is further amusing considering the original ref. wasn't to 'The Princess Bride' > -- > Chuckg A.Hamilton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:08:25 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band > Which is further amusing considering the original ref. wasn't to 'The > Princess Bride' Someone misread a post and inadvertantly launched a thread on what sort of angel Wesley would be? Inconceivable! > A.Hamilton Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:01:18 -0700 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band > > BEEEEEEP!! > > You lose. Anybody else get the reference? > Yep. Wesly, from the Princess Bride. > > My vote is for Malakite, if only for the Trauma issue... > > That doesn't sound right to me. Well, maybe it does. But it would seem > he serves Creation. > > Inigio Montoya, on the other hand, is an Ophanite of War. Kiara and I were talking after we I posted and decided on Mal of Creation IST Flowers, probably with the Divine Destiny attunement from Destiny (another semi-redundant statement from the Dept. of Redundancy). The Other David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:22:00 +0100 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: Re: RPGA (Was Re: IN> Dead Superiors ) - -----Original Message----- From: Marc Bowden To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: 27 July 2000 02:51 Subject: Re: RPGA (Was Re: IN> Dead Superiors ) >--On Monday, July 24, 2000 07:02 -0700 Jennifer Campbell > wrote: >> Hey, instead of a MUSH, have you considered a Chat? >> Just wondering. . . >> > I hear LPMuds aren't much trouble to put up... >Marc. Just Marc. >Elohite Angel of Salvation Okay, speaking of MUSHes... I've posted about this on the Pyramid board, though I know not everyone reads that. There's a new MUSH up that Jo and I found, called _In Excelsis_, set in Heaven, among the angels, with widespread rebellion about to break out. God's disappeared, you see, and there's some discussion about the proper course of action. To quote a bit from a news file: - --- In Excelsis is, at it's core, a fantasy game set in Heaven 1200 years after the Crusades, which puts it at relatively modern day, however Earth, Man and all their trappings will never come into play. We're interested in Angels and the glorious Silver City where they reside, and technology, advancements and the like never touched it. The Silver City is as grand a fantasy Kingdom as any in legend or fiction, and just as wrought with intrigue, treachery and peril. We are a game about hope as well as fear, love as well as hatred, and faith as well as doubt. We are striving for a game where statistics and power are secondary and telling a great story comes before all else. Some of your characters will succeed, some will fail, but in the end, all will have 'won' by telling great stories. We want a game where there is politics, intrigue, conflict, romance, danger, adventure, and, depending on where things go... maybe even war. The Silver City is filled with suspicion and conflict, skirmishes between Angels and struggles between Choirs. God has stopped responding, and it's been 1200 years. The natives are growing restless. The throne is vacant. Are you loyal to its missing occupant, or do you think you have what it takes to be the next King of Heaven? - --- No, it's not In Nomine, but it's angels, it's fun, and it needs more players. For those looking for an online game, you could do worse. Genevieve (aka Ashamiel, Virtue of Healing -- oh dear, our Aeon just said that we're going to be officially neutral, Michael's declaring that immediate strikes may be necessary, Uriel wants to send his Powers to patrol the entire Silver City for its own safety . . .) ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1736 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.