From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Jul 27 20:27:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA15747 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:27:05 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id UAA08903 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:25:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:25:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200007280125.UAA08903@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1737 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, July 27 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1737 In this digest: Re: IN> In Nomine: Before the Fall. Re: IN> Question... IN> How to do a Net Book by Charles Phipps Re: RPGA (Was Re: IN> Dead Superiors ) Re: RPGA (Was Re: IN> Dead Superiors ) Re: IN> How to do a Net Book by Charles Phipps IN> =?iso-8859-1?Q?In_Nomine:=A0_Before_the_Fall.?= Re: IN> How to do a Net Book by Charles Phipps Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Re: IN> How to do a Net Book by Charles Phipps Re: IN> Belian (was Re: Wrong Band) IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1736 Re: IN> How to do a Net Book by Charles Phipps Fwd: Re: IN> IN Romance -- Opposites Attract Re: IN> How to do a Net Book by Charles Phipps Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band RE: IN> A Godfather reference here would be a bad pun, right? Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band RE: IN> Question... Re: IN> S3 & the new Character Sheets? Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band IN> "Angel" of Schlock Horror Re: IN> Princess Bride/IN [Was: Wrong Band] Re: IN> Princess Bride/IN [Was: Wrong Band] Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:25:34 -0700 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine: Before the Fall. Non-Canon: > Q. Who were the Archangels? Malphas, Gabriel, David, Beleth, Blandine, > Jean, Raphael, Andrealphus, Janus, Jordi, Oannes and Baal are the only > definite names I can find. Metatron, Yves, Uriel, Lucifer. As I recall, there is some debate if there were formal "AA's" back then. There were after the earth was formed though. (GMG p.92) I would also stick an AA of Death in here... Per the GMG: (In Order) Yves, Michael, Lucifer, Baal, David, Eli, Uriel, Gabriel "Lesser beings" created next: Asmodeous, Beleth, Blandine, Dominic, Jean, Kobal, Malphas, Raphael Much later: Andrealphus, Janus, Jordi, Oannes > Q. What was Malphas's Word? I have no idea, but he helped David with plate > tectonics. This suggests a few earthly Words to do with breaking up the > Earth's crust, but "the Archangel of Continental Drift" doesn't fly for me. Possibly didn't have Word. How about "Unity" or something along those lines... > Q. Were Eli, Yves, Uriel and Lucifer Archangels? Eli's Word and the > stature of Yves, Uriel and Lucifer suggest they were all Archangels. See answer the first. Undoubtably they were as powerful as an AA if they weren't. Check out Licifer as the AA of Light in Dark Victory. > Q. Was Michael merely an Archangel without a Word, or was he just an > incredibly powerful angel? Somewhere I seem to recall him as the AA of Contests or Competition or somesuch... Probably too much coffee though. > Q. Did Archangels grant Choir attunements? If so, were these attunements > different than what they grant today? Did Archangels grant Distinctions? > Servitor attunements? Rites? Rites would be different but I don't see why not. > Q. Could angels become dissonant, or did this not really happen until > Lucifer's Rebellion? Did Archangels have dissonance limitations placed upon > their Servitors? Did anyone have discord before the Fall? I would say most definately. However both would be very rare. > Q. Could angels literally talk to God (via Metatron), like Kobal (a mere > Word-Bound), Yves, Lucifer and Michael (not even a Word-Bound) did? I > almost imagine God talking like Metamorphis in Asimov's Light Years cartoon > movie. That certainly seems to be the implication. IMHO I see the M. as not having a physical/celestial presence though. More in the nature of a moveable Presence Lamp... This is also the case in the GMG. > Q. The haphazard granting of the position seems to imply that the title of > Archangel wasn't much of a power investiture. Was it the quantum leap in > power that it is now? Were the first seven angels already on that power > level, regardless of any official titles? ??? I would think so, but keep in mind that it is *only* God at this point that makes AA's, so I don't think that it's that haphazard or easy. > Q. Did Belial or Asmodeus have Words, and if so, what were they? I cannot imagine an AA without a Word. B: Vulcanism ? A: Something that falls under Judgement. Perhaps Questions? The Other David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:54:18 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Question... At 23:28 -0400 7/26/00, BillionSix@aol.com wrote: >Hypothetical situation: > > Fast Eddie the Ofanite, Servitor of Destiny gains the Distinction of Master >of Divine Knowledge. He chooses the Kyriotate resonance, since he likes the >idea of kickin' it around the countryside Ofanim style in several bodies at >once. Now also assume that Fast Eddie has more than one vessel, for different >situations. Could Fast Eddie now use two vessels at once. Assume that Fast >Eddie is an older angel with at least 10 Forces. There's some canon (maybe FAQ) on this somewhere, probably the Bal of Fate attunement. I believe you can *either* use a vessel, *or* use the Kyrio multiplicity (and use hosts), but not both at the same time. > Also, can Fast Eddie now buy >the Kyriotate of Yves Attunement. I don't really see why not, once he's got the resonance. > Can he now receive Kyriotate Attunements >from other Superiors? Again, probably, though I don't think there's canon on this one anywhere. However, I wouldn't think it likely, unless Fast Eddie was Word-Bound with a Word that overlapped that of the other Superiors in question, in which case he might be supporting their aspects of his Word, and thus gain a sort of alliance with them. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:47:48 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> How to do a Net Book by Charles Phipps >As a contributor, Charles. Not as an editor. Don't worry Andrew I'm not impersonating a Kargatane. Also I've worked on other netbooks before including "The Complete book of Thallian" for Changeling and "The Lost Children of the Tuatha De Daanan" for the same. Both books despite years of work are currently in some sort of odd limbo. My credentials admittadly arn't the best but I've got some experience here. >The Kargatane's themed netbooks were not as large as the general >Ravenloft books. They weren't meant to be. Where we consider them to >have failed is in the lack of feedback we've received on them, not in >the content or the scope. True but they still failed Andrew no offense. While the Gothic Landscape idea was absolutely brillant and the work done on Jerusalem to Glastonbury was very amusing-it was too narrow I believe for authors to sufficently contribute....specifically in that they had to be nonfictional places. >They also submit a ton of crap, which is something to consider. If you >plan to accept most or all of what's submitted, then sure, a theme book >will work well. If you prefer to be selective, and only choose the >articles of superior quality, then your focus will need to be broader >to get the same size book. Personally, I prefer a netbook with broad >scope and high-quality articles, but that's a choice -- if the editors >(and I do recommend more than one!) are willing to do more work beating >articles into shape, then the focus can be as narrow as you like. >Charles, who is "our" in that sentence? It's not the Kargatane -- we >don't have a netbook with that title. Nor am I a Kargatane as I have pointed out Andrew. I'm afraid despite the fact that I love Ravenloft and love everything that's been put out by it....that title goes to people who have a more jaundiced eye and a better writing quill...plus a stronger devotion. No I meant "Dark Victory" which is a wonderful netbook created by In Nomine fans (I'm not one of them) and truly a wonderful work. >The Kargatane vote on each submission, and return many of them to the >authors for revisions. We do very few revisions ourselves, and in all >cases we give the author final approval on what we've done. I would >recommend that whoever is named for this project do the same. Thank you for the advice dude, a very democratic position and one I'd recommend myself. Any volenteers? (cough cough David....) >(I'll repeat my offer -- I'm happy to discuss the Kargatane's >procedures with the netbook editorial team, when it gets organized. >Just let me know.) Your advice is always appreciated Andrew....I know on my submissons. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:58:25 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: RPGA (Was Re: IN> Dead Superiors ) Could you outline the angelology you use, since it is apparently not that of In Nomine? E.g., what are Aeons? If Earth is not involved in the game, how about Hell? The Silver City I recognize from "Sandman," so is there an equivalent of the Dreaming/Ethereal Realm? of the Endless? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:02:13 +0100 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: Re: RPGA (Was Re: IN> Dead Superiors ) >Could you outline the angelology you use, since it is apparently >not that of In Nomine? E.g., what are Aeons? First, I should probably make something clear -- I am _not_ involved in the creation or running of this game, I'm just a player, and nothing more. I'm just spreading the news about it in case it should entertain people here. There are nine Choirs in the game (and also unchoired angels) -- Seraphim, Cherubim, Dominations, Virtues, Powers, Grigori, Thrones, Principalities, and Archangels. There are a number of different ranks -- Aeons are directly below Archangels. >If Earth is not involved in the game, how about Hell? >The Silver City I recognize from "Sandman," so is there >an equivalent of the Dreaming/Ethereal Realm? of the Endless? Neither Earth nor Hell is involved, though there have been dubious references to "the Fallen". There are no links so far to the Dreaming, the Ethereal, or anything similar -- it all seems to be contained in Heaven. There isn't a webpage for it either, darn it, or I'd refer you there. Oh yes. Damn. I forgot to give the site. dale.limitless.org 8888 Pardon me while I kick myself. Genevieve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:12:26 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> How to do a Net Book by Charles Phipps At 2:47 PM -0400 7/27/00, Charles Phipps wrote: > >No I meant "Dark Victory" which is a wonderful netbook created by In Nomine >fans (I'm not one of them) and truly a wonderful work. So... you're not an In Nomine fan, you're saying? And credit should mostly go to Redneck Gaijan/Kris Overstreet, whose game Dark Victory was and who did most of the writing on the project. It was reading Dark Victory that really sucked me into IN -- I'd picked up the main book due to a MiB's enthusiasm and was kind of impressed, but Philip Moyer turned me on to the INC and the Dark Victory Netbook, and I was bound into servitude forever more. >Any volenteers? > >(cough cough David....) If you manage to get M. Edelstein (or, similarly, Beth or EDG or any of the other actual paid, professional editors) to do this, grab hold of him and don't let go. But I wouldn't expect it -- editing is bloody hard work, and someone who's paid to do so isn't likely to want to do it gratis. (That being said, who knows? I don't mean to speak for any of the above.) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:17:28 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> =?iso-8859-1?Q?In_Nomine:=A0_Before_the_Fall.?= >I am planning to run a long In Nomine game that begins before the Fall -- >probably at least 500,000 BCE. Nice time then. Lots of cave men running around, large bunches of ice, plenty of whacky looking animals (Jordi loved this period and so did Oanes since Ice falls under Oceans). Lucifer right now is saddened by humanity's state and currently working with his servitor Jean (IMC) to bring the beutiful gift of fire and progress to the monkeys. Arn't I special? >The Game Master's Guide suggests that serving an Archangel was not as >organized a process as it is today, and that most Archangel's organizations >didn't really get established until the Fall and the subsequent Seraphim >Council. On the other hand, Archangels clearly had Servitors. Powerful >Word-Bound (Dominic) also clearly had Servitors (Asmodeus.) My opinion was back then Heaven was mainly a place of individuals with the majority of angels still being created by God and servitors were the "grand children" of God. Basically it went that like 9-12 angels would be serving an angel with a word as she conjured up folk to help her with her job while God created folk and the Metatron said "Behold Tina your new sister!" Eli probably had the most servitors followed by the other elementalists (Lucifer might be close behind Eli or even past him in retrospect) >Here are my questions. Okay day. >Q. Who were the Archangels? Malphas, Gabriel, David, Beleth, Blandine, >Jean, Raphael, Andrealphus, Janus, Jordi, Oannes and Baal are the only >definite names I can find. Also Eli and Lucifer of course. Specifically the later was the Archangel of Light and Morning (closest translation)....Kobal I think occupied his place as a very high word under Creation unless he was the Archangel of Humor as well (Heavens a funny place and God's a comedian)....Uriel the Archangel (Serpahim) of Purity also was an intriguing sort of fellow back then. Very much the perfectionist. I believe that covers it. Dominic and Asmodeus are quiet servitors of Yves right now I do believe with the Cherub fluttering around and helping Dominic stack and work the books of God's law (Dominic was either a scribe or the first librarian in my opinion). Remember Davids a Cherub right now. >Q. What was Malphas's Word? I have no idea, but he helped David with plate >tectonics. This suggests a few earthly Words to do with breaking up the >Earth's crust, but "the Archangel of Continental Drift" doesn't fly for me. In my opinion Malphus was either unword bound Kyriorite of the Archangel of Division. Which would mean if he ever redeemed from being the Prince of Factions that he would suddenly discover himself the Word of Mathmatical negatives, amicable divorce, continental drift, and one celled organism reproduction among other things. >Q. Were Eli, Yves, Uriel and Lucifer Archangels? Eli's Word and the >stature of Yves, Uriel and Lucifer suggest they were all Archangels. Yes save for Yves, Yves is right now just puttering about smiling a lot. I kinduv see him as a bit more active maybe being Heaven's architect or serving as God's scribe and a general do-gooder in Heaven, Raphael handles most of the Knowledge though truly. Nice gal. >Q. Was Michael merely an Archangel without a Word, or was he just an >incredibly powerful angel? He was War before the Fall it turns out because in Superiors 1 it said that Lucifer tempted him with it. My general opinion was that Michael considered himself the leader of the Heavengly host and War meant more along the lines of raw reaction and conflict (his word might not be directly translateable to anything but War still however...just heavily different contations) >Q. Did Archangels grant Choir attunements? If so, were these attunements >different than what they grant today? Did Archangels grant Distinctions? >Servitor attunements? Rites? Distinctions I'd have to say no as virtually everyone in Heaven was either an Archangel, Word-Bound, or a Newborn. And even the Newborn weren't any less than the word bound because they did things they couldn't. It was all a relatively equal commune. The way I see it the Archangel Attunements are mainly buidling with little to no confliction ability. >Q. Could angels become dissonant, or did this not really happen until >Lucifer's Rebellion? Did Archangels have dissonance limitations placed upon >their Servitors? Did anyone have discord before the Fall? I think it was a very rare incident but from what I've seen in my opinion the Metatron/Yves/Lucifer had a long talk with you and it was removed if you were repetenat. The chance that an angel fel before the rebbellion might actually be a bizzare possibility (or at least become outcast) because of Iblis and humanity and Ophis in the garden of eden. >Q. Could angels literally talk to God (via Metatron), like Kobal (a mere >Word-Bound), Yves, Lucifer and Michael (not even a Word-Bound) did? I >almost imagine God talking like Metamorphis in Asimov's Light Years cartoon >movie. Go for it. However in my opinion the Metatron finds you more than you find the Metatron. The Metatron might even have a cathedral but unless your need is pressing you won't get anything more than a feel of good feelings (though the idea of God communicating to anyone who asks seems more accurate truly-this is more game balancing). Yves and Gabrielle seemed personally to be able to communicate without Metatron....and it's possible Lucifer and Michael communicated with the Big Guy before Metaron. Though Unlikely. >Q. The haphazard granting of the position seems to imply that the title of >Archangel wasn't much of a power investiture. Was it the quantum leap in >power that it is now? Were the first seven angels already on that power >level, regardless of any official titles? Archangels in my mind represented that you were now the perfect representation or your word and an angel. It was pretty dang impressive back then as it is today...perhaps moreso because God made you an archangel and not the Seraphim council....same with words. The first seven I think were given words almost immediately too so it's rather pointless to debate wheter they were impressive before they were given their words or not. >Q. Did Belial or Asmodeus have Words, and if so, what were they? Belial might have been Volcanoes or some word under fire (and wanting to encompass it) but Asmodeus in my mind was just a draconic little Cherub (oddly I see him as a tiny gold dragon) fluttering about Dominic and playing more or less Yes Ma'am/Sir to the Seraphim. Heaven was probably most concerned with rescuing humans, debate, and the occasional ethereal incarnation that went nasty (incarnating the evils of the oceans, winter, and the like). - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:26:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Twila Oxley Price Subject: Re: IN> How to do a Net Book by Charles Phipps NOT that I'd be willing to do The Whole Enchilada (Real Life, including doing the mother gig to two teenagers (Beth, just wait... you think a *wigglebaby* is hard... I've had to invoke my Mother resonance so often lately, it's scary!) takes precedence), but ... I have worked as a copy editor for twenty years, and I am willing to help in editing, html'izing, etc. Twila ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:44:10 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Charles Glasgow wrote: >>>thank Heaven they implemented the suggestions about the > "mission-oriented" vs. "detail-oriented" style of order-giving...) Hmm? There wasn't really any change in Laurence's style of giving orders, just some clarification that he DOES delegate rather than trying to personally direct every one of his Servitors. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:50:49 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> How to do a Net Book by Charles Phipps Whistling in the Dark wrote: > >Any volenteers? > > > >(cough cough David....) > > If you manage to get M. Edelstein (or, similarly, Beth or EDG or any > of the other actual paid, professional editors) to do this, grab hold > of him and don't let go. But I wouldn't expect it -- editing is > bloody hard work, and someone who's paid to do so isn't likely to > want to do it gratis. I might be willing to participate in something based on religion, conspiracies, more setting, that sort of thing. (Time allowing, and right now my time is in short supply.) But the "Laurence/Blandine Courtly Love" thing completely fails to interest me. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:57:56 -0400 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> Belian (was Re: Wrong Band) Jo Hart wrote: > > > Furfur could be *very* interesting if the right situation develops, > > but right now is kind of 'eh.' > > If he is, it'll be because he's a very new Prince. Otherwise, I'm > sure Belial has plenty of servitors with similar viewpoints/ > approaches. (I like Belial quite a lot, really -- it's the one > writeup I'd really like to see.) Belial definitely has one of the best dissonance conditions of any of the IN Princes: It's dissonant for Belial's servitors to devise plans that backfire. If you assume that they can fix dissonance by complexifying their plan to cope with failure, then they are going to pile scheme upon scheme in a mad rush to keep the whole house of cards from tumbling down. This is thematically appropriate, as it's kind of a meta-Calabim dissonance, and it makes the game more fun for everyone since it encourages demons of Fire to *do* stuff to cope with what's happening in-game. I'm a bit disappointed that he's defined as having no interest in any of the conceptual aspects of Fire, since that closes off some of the possible schemes you can find his demons engaged in. What if he were a true opposite to Gabriel, dynamic, brilliant and destructive? You could use him to do all those sleazy fun evil mastermind things you always wanted to do, that Valefor is too classy to engage in but Saminga is too stupid to manage: "Ah, an angel of Judgment. How charming. Tell me, are you familiar with the scene where the evil mastermind shows you his art collection while his henchmen beat the crap out of the hero?" "No? Well, this is a Mondrian." "This is a Seurat." "This is my Kupka. How he divides space contrasts nicely with the unity of the Mondrian, don't you think?" Or you could just make this a Impudite Baron of Fire, I guess. - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:11:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1736 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:43:51 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band >Zadkiel, on the other hand, has to be the most boring >writeup of a Superior I've ever read. In my opinion, >of course. It would take a *lot* to make her >interesting to me. >- -- Heh. Any Superior who can be accurately portrayed as a maternal figure who's bloody up to the armpits has GOT to have hidden depths. I must ponder this further. :) Moe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:37:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Gant Subject: Re: IN> How to do a Net Book by Charles Phipps On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, David Edelstein wrote: > I might be willing to participate in something based on religion, > conspiracies, more setting, that sort of thing. (Time allowing, and > right now my time is in short supply.) Hmmm... "Religion and Other Conspiracies: A Setting Net.Book for In Nomine". Sounds like a winner to me. :) Richard Gant - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Gant's Gaming Ghetto: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dunes/4656/ The Returners Final Fantasy Role-Playing Game Site: http://returners.simplenet.com/ or http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Matrix/5758/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:22:29 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> IN Romance -- Opposites Attract >From: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:40:03 -0500 >To: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [Neel Krishnaswami ] >From: Neel Krishnaswami >Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:42:30 -0500 (EST) >Subject: Re: IN> IN Romance -- Opposites Attract >Reply-To: neelk@alum.mit.edu > > >Whistling in the Dark wrote: >> At 10:53 AM -0400 7/26/00, MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: >> > >> >Now all we need is to hook Lilith up with Dominic, and we're set. >> >> That's too simple. >> >> Imagine... just *imagine...* the burning Need Dominic has to >> completely trust someone. A Lilim -- and Lilith -- would fairly >> drown in it, I imagine. And as a Seraph, Dominic could tell the >> Truth of Lilith's passion and trustworthiness to him. >> >> Of course, she'd remain a Princess and he an Archangel, and Freedom >> would forever mean she couldn't bind herself to the rules and ties >> he would demand, and Judgement would mean he could never cast >> caution to the wind and embrace his one love... > >Maybe I'm just a little too simple-minded, but wouldn't Lilith having >spent the last 30,000 years as a quisling betrayer of humanity put a >damper on any feelings ol' Scales might feel for her? > >I mean, the reason that the Princes (and Princesses) are so ripe for >comedy is that they have basically no redeeming features; PCs can do >awful things to them (and have awful things done unto them) without >any need to feel remorse or shame. > >That way, you don't have to feel guilty about shooting Lilith in the >face with a Vapulan ray gun and kicking her burning corpse off the >side of a skyscraper just because one of your buddies got into debt >with Lilith because he borrowed money from Mammon to score some >experimental drugs from Vapula and told her that you'd cover the loan >when he couldn't make the final payment, not that you'd kill her out >of revenge, it's just that when she called the Game on you when you >couldn't cover the deal you had to go to Vapula and he gave you his >gun Reason ("*everybody* listens to Reason") in exchange for the >promise that you'd trick Valefor into paying a fair price for it by >dosing him with those drugs your buddy bought, because that would be a >neat scientific experiment, except you have no intention of ever >seeing Valefor because your buddy fried his brain by taking *all* >those drugs, and besides the first half of the payment that your buddy >did make was a suitcase full of bearer bonds that you happen to know >Lilith is keeping in her office and you have a first-class ticket to >the Cayman islands in your jacket pocket. (Of course, things went all >pear-shaped and was not at all this simple.) > > >-- >Neel Krishnaswami >neelk@alum.mit.edu > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:13:56 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> How to do a Net Book by Charles Phipps At 2:47 PM -0400 7/27/00, Charles Phipps wrote: >No I meant "Dark Victory" which is a wonderful netbook created by In Nomine >fans (I'm not one of them) and truly a wonderful work. It's really Redneck's baby -- I don't recall any significant contributions by anyone else. Cou;d be wrong, mind. Having a hard time even typing, let alone giung to check... (Sleeping-inconveniently baby...) Anyway, it's on the INC and is well worth checking out. - --Beth, catching up as she can, typing with a baby (iolanthe) in her lap. Vapitalizatoin and spelling still difficult, typing w/ 1 hand (and often a wigglebaby in the other). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 17:22:22 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Edelstein" To: Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 2:44 PM Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band > Charles Glasgow wrote: > >>>thank Heaven they implemented the suggestions about the > > "mission-oriented" vs. "detail-oriented" style of order-giving...) > Hmm? There wasn't really any change in Laurence's style of giving > orders, just some clarification that he DOES delegate rather than trying > to personally direct every one of his Servitors. Superiors 1, p. 89, "Obedience and Dissonance" -- first place I remember seeing it explicitly spelled out that Laurence takes care to tell his Servitors *what* he wants done without telling them -- except in broad -- *how* to do it, so as to allow them room to improvise to meet changing circumstances. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:12:12 +1000 From: "Leath Sheales" Subject: RE: IN> A Godfather reference here would be a bad pun, right? Maurice wrote: > OTOH, that does give me an idea. I wonder if a Demon > Prince of Crime could avoid being ripped apart by > Valefor long enough to hit the top ranks... Personally I don't think so. I think Valefor could also claim that Theft is the only crime, therefore they all come under his word. Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:23:10 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band - --On Thursday, July 27, 2000 08:32 -0700 sw@haven.eyrie.org wrote: > "So, how many Forces do you need to build Prince Vegita, anyway..." "All of them, I think." Marc. Just Marc. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:33:25 +1000 From: "Leath Sheales" Subject: RE: IN> Question... Walter wrote: > There's some canon (maybe FAQ) on this somewhere, probably the Bal of Fate > attunement. I believe you can *either* use a vessel, *or* use the Kyrio > multiplicity (and use hosts), but not both at the same time. and > Again, probably, though I don't think there's canon on this one anywhere. > However, I wouldn't think it likely, unless Fast Eddie was Word-Bound > with a Word that overlapped that of the other Superiors in question, in > which case he might be supporting their aspects of his Word, and thus gain > a sort of alliance with them. I have to disagree. I see the Yves' Master distinction as fundamentally different from Kronos' Basleraph attunement. The Bal attunement lets the user *lie to the symphony*, convincing it that it is something other that what it is. Therefore it can be turned on or off, depending on when the Balseraph wants to lie about its nature. The Master of Divine Knowledge distinction represents Yves' almost complete understanding of the Symphony, and he passes a fraction of that understanding on to his trusted servant. Therefore the Distinguished Angel doesn't 'trick' the Symphony into believing that it has two resonances, it becomes so much a part of the Symphony that it actually is both Choirs at once. Therefore the 'new' Resonance and Dissonance can not be 'turned off', it is now an intrinsic part of the angel's nature, unless Yves strips the Distinction away from the angel. Therefore, IMO, an angel who gains this Distinction and chooses the Kyriotate Resonance becomes as a Kyriotate in all things, losing the ability to hold a vessel, but also gaining the ability to have Kyrio attunements from other superiors. Who knows, if the Master Angel can buddy-up to Michael, he may earn War's Kyrio attunement, and then he would be able to have vessels of his own. Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:37:11 -0400 From: "EDG" Subject: Re: IN> S3 & the new Character Sheets? > *ahem* Anyway, for those of you who just _can't_ wait, you can > temporarly (as soon as the official page is updated, these will go away, > never to be found on my site again) find them here: They can go away now. ^_^ Tafka's new character sheets are living at www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/charsheets/angel.html (and the rest of them are at www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/charsheets/index.html). Thanks, Tafka, for tipping me off to the fact that although I'd uploaded the bloody sheets, I hadn't uploaded the changed HTML! - -EDG Is my face red... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:32:13 -0400 From: Bull Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band At 10:43 AM 7/27/00 -0400, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >Zadkiel, on the other hand, has to be the most boring writeup of a >Superior I've ever read. In my opinion, of course. It would take a >*lot* to make her interesting to me. > Agreed... Zadkiel seemed to be a bit... Blah... Though I can see definate potential. I created my first character (and the only one I've really played so far) as an Malakim of War. He has a solid Role as a Police Detective in Miami, and his other two oaths are: Protect Humanity from Demons, and Protect Humanity from Itself. I'm very happy with the way he's turning out so far, and I wouldn't want to change him over to a servitor of Zadkiel (I didn'tr ead her write up until after we'd started playing anyways), but I can also see him being very willing to help her out. However, he's happy serving Michael, as he LIKES killing demons. :] Bull _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:15:32 +0100 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: IN> "Angel" of Schlock Horror Karypti Demon ("Angel, I tell you!") of Schlock Horror Habbalite Baron of Saminga Rite : Kill a person in such a way that it is appropriate to the person's sins (2 Essence) Attunement : Know what corpse you could raise would cause the most distress to your victim (1 Essence) Karypti has been around . . . for a while. Quite a while. Some of the other Servitors of Death say that he wasn't always quite as bad as he is now. They point at episodes when he stalked the narrow streets of cities or the dank corners of cemetaries, when he didn't cackle quite so much, and before someone lent him his first copy of _Tales from the Crypt_. As it stands now, Karypti has the unusual honour of being a demon of Saminga who is popular and famous among Servitors of Nybbas and Kobal. Nybbytes, because he tends to produce such wonderful material -- and Kobalites because he's just so darn funny. (Assuming, of course, that you have the right and proper refinement of taste for such an elegant postmodern savage joke -- it would be so gauche not to Get It.) Karypti pursued his own manner of serving Death for centuries before he came to the attention of his Lord, patiently stalking sinners and giving them "appropriate" ends. Often ones that involved zombis. Lots of zombis. And blood. And hacking them to bits. And trapping them in burning houses. And horrible things just outside the window. And . . . well, you get the idea. Saminga was enchanted. What's more, this servitor of his even appreciated Saminga's taste and wit, and was willing to incorporate his Dread Lord's suggestions in his work! (Yes, it's true. Karypti has no taste.) Saminga was quick to request the Word of Just Retribution To Sinners (the Habbalite's request) from Lucifer, and was mildly surprised when Karypti ended up with Schlock Horror. Through the usual process of demonic self-deception, Karypti decided that the Inner Meaning of Schlock Horror was clearly Just Retribution To Sinners, and set about his task with renewed enthusiasm. His Habbalite beliefs mean that he almost always targets sinners of some stripe -- in fact, if he runs across someone who is genuinely and totally innocent, he lets them go free. Most of the time. Sometimes he waits long enough for the Sinner who he is stalking to Prove His Guilt by Killing Innocents -- and then Inflicts Just Punishment. (He is extremely fond of capital letters.) His generally high death toll has kept him free from accusations of treason -- so far. However, he is something of a loose cannon towards other demons. While he will not attack them personally, local Soldiers of Hell frequently seem to end up on his schedule of Sinners to be Punished, unless local demons take care to notify him that they are their property. He also tends to leave angels alone, as they don't fit into his personal delusions of Mission, unless they actually get in his way. Once or twice, he is even reputed to have dropped off a few Innocents Saved From A Vile Murderer at a local Angelic Tether. This sort of action would attract fervent attention from the Game, were it not for the high death rate among anybody close to him, and the fact that he's still a particular favourite of Saminga. Rumours that he is occasionally given the names of Sinners by certain angelic contacts are doubtless utterly false, and have yet to be credibly proven. Karypti's vessel is that of an elderly man, in tattered and moulding business suit, white hair straggling round his face, decay and dirt on his flesh. If it weren't for the fact that he has A Cool Top Hat (a variant on Cool Shades (Liber Reliquarum), which provide a weakened version of the Ethereal Song of Form) he would be extremely noticeable. He is prone to dry, hacking coughs and chuckles, offstage narration (while wearing his Cool Top Hat) to suit his sense of theatre, and really gross murders. He does not disdain mortal inspiration when it comes to Inflicting Suitable Punishment, and any local hideout of his rapidly acquires a video recorder, a television, stacks of horror videos, and the latest tacky horror fiction and comics. (And please don't ask what that nasty smell coming from behind you in the cinema is, or those dry coughs, while you're watching Army of Darkness XXX -- you wouldn't like the answer.) He travels constantly, always looking for his next victi . . . er, target. While he rarely uses minions (apart from his faithful zombis) he is well-stocked with Songs and Attunements, including several from Beleth, who appreciates his work. Several Servitors of Nybbas would love to get a reliable lead on his whereabouts -- he makes wonderful footage. (Sorry. I had this guy in my head, and had to get him out.) Genevieve - --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:39:44 -0500 From: "Kiara S. Legner" Subject: Re: IN> Princess Bride/IN [Was: Wrong Band] > BEEEEEEP!! > > You lose. Anybody else get the reference? >Yep. Wesly, from the Princess Bride. > My vote is for Malakite, if only for the Trauma issue... >That doesn't sound right to me. Well, maybe it does. But it would seem >he serves Creation. My latest attempt to classify Wesley is a Malakite of Creation in service to Novalis. I think. At the moment. Possibly with an attunement from Destiny. >Inigio Montoya, on the other hand, is an Ophanite of War. Hm... War, you think? Not Janus? Ki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:41:49 -0500 From: "Kiara S. Legner" Subject: Re: IN> Princess Bride/IN [Was: Wrong Band] >But, no. Ki is referring to the Man in Black, who - with the Remnants of >Laurence and David, the reluctant help of a bizarrely out-of-time Nybbas, >and the enmity of Amodeus's shade, Baal, and Vapula - bravely rescues a >Soldier of Blandine from her fate. Ooohhhh... Now *that* has possibilities... Session II of the next campaign. IN/Princess Bride. I wonder if I can fit it into my univers. ROUS' must be imps... Ki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:43:55 -0500 From: "Kiara S. Legner" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band > > >>I must say that, at this early morning hour, the phrase "Super-Seraph" > >caused my leetle brain to explode. > > > >"Truth level one million?! IMPOSSIBLE!"<< > > > >I do not think that that word means what you think it means. > > > >And I shall now sit and try to figure out what Choir and Superior fit > >Wesley the best. > > If you're referring to "Weasley" Crusher from Star Trek, he's most likely to > be one of Jean's, and Jean's stereotype at that. (He's a tech geek who's > useless outside the lab without detailed directions from a superior > officer.) > > Which Choir? Beats me. Something ineffectual. > That would be Wesley, as in the protagonist of 'The Princess Bride'. >Which is further amusing considering the original ref. wasn't to 'The >Princess Bride' I know. But I just watched it again, and I'm *almost* as bad about Princess Bride quotes as I am about Rocky Horror references... Ki ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1737 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.