From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Jul 28 00:19:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA13951 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:19:57 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id AAA20245 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:18:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:18:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200007280518.AAA20245@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1738 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, July 28 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1738 In this digest: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Re: IN> Question... IN> Re: Dionysian Set-up IN> Playing Minor Superiors IN> Barney in In Nomine RE: IN> Question... Re: IN> Playing Minor Superiors Re: IN> "Angel" of Schlock Horror Re: IN> Princess Bride/IN [Was: Wrong Band] Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band IN> Stylesheet Clarification Re: IN> Playing Minor Superiors Re: IN> Playing Minor Superiors Re: IN> Playing Minor Superiors Re: IN> Playing Minor Superiors Re: IN> S3 & the new Character Sheets? Re: IN> Stylesheet Clarification Re: IN> Stylesheet Clarification Re: IN> "Angel" of Schlock Horror IN> Updating the INC: July 27, 2000 Re: IN> Playing Minor Superiors Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Re: IN> Playing Minor Superiors Re: IN> Playing Minor Superiors Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:44:27 -0500 From: "Kiara S. Legner" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band > Which is further amusing considering the original ref. wasn't to 'The > Princess Bride' >Someone misread a post and inadvertantly launched a thread on what sort of >angel Wesley would be? Inconceivable! Not misread. Just redirected. Ki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:53:11 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Question... In a message dated 7/27/00 6:27:17 PM Central Daylight Time, lsheal01@postoffice.csu.edu.au writes: << Therefore, IMO, an angel who gains this Distinction and chooses the Kyriotate Resonance becomes as a Kyriotate in all things, losing the ability to hold a vessel, >> Ah, but is the angel in question not STILL an Ofanite, and therefore ABLE to have a vessel? The argument you seem to be putting forth is: The angel is better at having two resonances than the Balseraph of Fate, so is therefore worse off. Reverend Brian A. Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:54:50 EDT From: Daedalus3D@aol.com Subject: IN> Re: Dionysian Set-up << There are nine Choirs in the game (and also unchoired angels) -- Seraphim, Cherubim, Dominations, Virtues, Powers, Grigori, Thrones, Principalities, and Archangels. There are a number of different ranks -- Aeons are directly below Archangels. >> So their using the order of everybody's favorite monk, Dionysus. They just dropped "angels" as a choir and stuck the grigori in there because they liked 'em. Interesting . . . . Or, wait, so maybe they're just calling "angels" "Aeons" to avoid confusion. Hmmm, so there's TEN choirs? Daedalus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:53:06 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Playing Minor Superiors Just as an interesting note since people have brought up exactly what do Litheroy and Zadkiel and Furfur have going for them other than the fact their the perfect representation of their choir....basically.... How do you play the Minor Superiors? (some have already given it) Fufur: Is amusing in my mind beside from being the Calabim's Calabim he's of course a punk, 80s, 70s, etc Rocker with a tendancy towards burn out (pun intended). It's no coincidence that Hardcore once served Belial and I think their amicable relationship is quite intriguing. The only problem is that like Saminga Furfur is unfocused....right now he's promoting his word but he hasn't got an overall vision for the world like Saminga (Dead) or Asmodeus (1984/Stalin) or even Vapula (Dystopia) Zadkiel: This unfortunately I have absolutely no idea how to do because I don't own any of the supplements she appears in though ironically I use her alot because of the comments I read on David's page. Basically I put her as a very mothering person who represents sanctuary and caring love (Florence Nightingcherub). Basically the more femminine aspects of protection that Michael was ignoring in his relentless pre-emptive strikes against hell and counter strikes for counter strikes. Litheroy: Same problem with Zaddy unfortunately but when my serpahim gets the word of Forgetfulness, I think he'll become a direct problem with him and pretty heck bent on undermining my Seraph (who unfortunately will get saddled with servitros who want to play MiB). Basically I see him for some reason as an old man puttering about Yves's library making off with stacks of books and conducting most of his meetings from the reading room there when he's not at his cathedral (a Socratian philosophy school). (Feel free to correct me here guys) Also another point I think Litheroy would be fun to be the Angel who appeared to the Shepards or announced that jesus's tomb was empty-unfortunately to Dominic's disgust he just announced the ineffable obvious when he went to check on the tomb. (I know it's not cannon but it would make him very interesting to me) Christopher: I like the small one already. I can imagine how much fun he has when Gabrielle babysits him. "I'd say don't touch that because it's hot, but I foresee you will anyway." - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:04:14 -0700 From: Rolland Therrien Subject: IN> Barney in In Nomine Hi. I guess I'm a newbie here. Here is a little theory of mine about the world's most loved (or loathed, depending on where you stand) purple dinosaur. Back in the early 1990s, a servent of Christopher, after a decade of working on children's shows like Mr Rogers and Sesame Street, came up with a new idea for a kid's show starring a large purple dinosaur, who would teach kids of all races and gender how to play nice and love one another. He ran it by Christopher, who liked the concept. The major part of it was the character's reinforcement of "Love" as a good thing to feel for everyone, which was repeated by the character's song: "I love you, You love me, We’re a happy family With a great big kiss and hug from me to you, Won’t you say you love me too?" Christopher was so pleased with the concept, he immediatly named the character after the Mercurian who came up with it, who was, of course, named Barney. The Mercurian was also put in charge with first incarnating the character on PBS, with his own show, paied for by Marc, who knew a good marketing idea when he saw one, and thought he had the next "Sesame Street". And so Barney went on the air... And The Media immediatly took an interest in the guy. Nybbas, always eager to find a way to corrupt children's idols and Pi$$ off Christopher that way (Like what he did to Santa Claus), loved the sweet little dino, and sent a few of his minions to do their "number" on him. And so Media agents infiltrated the show's studio, and started manipulating things, just tweeking them slightly. Barney's scripts slowly went from nice and sweet stories to incredibly sugar-filled drivel, and the show went from educational to brain-numbingly simplistic. They stopped making efforts to actually try to educate the audiance, and mearly dumbed-down the material so "everyone" could understand it. Meanwhile, Haagenti, always eager to find new sources of Consumerism, saw the merchandising and, with a conqueror's ferocity that impressed Baal, had his minions do a complete take-over of Barney's merchandising industry, and pushed it ahead full steam, after getting Media to help publicize it full spin. Where once the sale of products was meant to fund the show, now the show was just one huge commercial to push the merchandise. And What of Barney? The loving and lovable Mercurian, cut off from his angelic contacts, just kept going at his act, dispite the loss of actual content in the show he once created. The character of Barney, at least, hadn't changed. But something happened to Barney; He loved the kids, true, but he started to really love it when they said they loved him too. It felt good. It felt better then he believed it had ever felt to love them. He wanted them to love him even more. More then they loved anyone else. And that's why Barney fell; not out of greed or anger, but out of a want of love. And the moment he fell, Media caught him as he landed. He was brought forward to Nybbas and given a triumphant welcome as a new servant of the Media, which, of course, pleased the new Impudite like nothing else would. Barney was sent back to Earth to continue his work of influencing kids, with Baby Bop, then BC as servitors, Djinn assigned to "keep an eye" on the Dino. And so Barney has continued his work of brain- washing kids all over the world into loving him and wanting his merchandise. But there's more to Barney then meets the eye... When Nybbas offered him the word of "Children's Shows", Barney simply declined, saying he was content, and that he could best serve the Media where he was. Nybbas, not wanting to argue (It meant that he could still have fun organizing "auditions" for the part), simply agreed. But some whisper that Barney refused for a very simple reason: He already has a word... His name. The Barney phenomenon is growing beyond a simple kid's show character or a merchandizing gimmick. He has fans of all ages, from 2-3 year olds to grown-ups who enjoy the message of love he gives out. And he has detractors who, dispite their Barney-bashing, still promote his word by mocking him. Barney is growing in power, some say... And the day he becomes powerful enough, he will become Demon Prince Barney, and all shall be made to love him, or suffer the consequences... Tell me what you think of this idea, guys. - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:23:09 +1000 From: "Leath Sheales" Subject: RE: IN> Question... Reverend Brian A. Rogers wrote: > Ah, but is the angel in question not STILL an Ofanite, and > therefore ABLE to > have a vessel? The argument you seem to be putting forth is: The angel is > better at having two resonances than the Balseraph of Fate, so is > therefore > worse off. All IMO, of course. You take the good with the bad. Nothing specifically mentions the other Choirs as intrinsically possessing vessels. They have vessels because their Archangels make and attach them. The Kyriotate *is* mentioned as being unable to have a vessel. Now obviously this is not an absolute, as three Archangels are demostrated to be able to attach Kyrios to vessels (David, Laurence and Michael), but something in the Kyriotate blueprint makes it extra-difficult to attach vessels to them. Therefore when you become so much a part of the Symphony that you are a Kyriotate, you too gain the vessel-attaching difficulty, and lose the vessels of your former existence. Now if you served the previous three Archangels, they would merely grunt and exert that extra bit of effort in oredr to make your vessels stick. Unfortunately, you serve Yves, who hasn't worked out how to make vessels stick to Kyrios (as far as he's letting on, anyway). The Balseraph of Fate is lying to the Symphony so effectively that it convinces the Symphony it is a Kyriotate. And while it is a Kyriotate, the Symphony says "Sod you, then, you can't have a vessel". Fortunately for the Balseraph, it can change it's mind and decide it isn't a Kyrio, and it's vessel reappears, probably because Kronos knows how the Symphony works and attaches the vessel in such a way that it possesses a karmic elastic cord to the Balseraph. I realise it's a subtle difference, but in my mind the conceptual framework makes sense. Perhaps I'm just not explaining myself clearly? Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:15:43 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Playing Minor Superiors - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Phipps" To: Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 8:53 PM Subject: IN> Playing Minor Superiors > How do you play the Minor Superiors? > > (some have already given it) > > Fufur: Is amusing in my mind beside from being the Calabim's Calabim he's of > course a punk, 80s, 70s, etc Rocker with a tendancy towards burn out (pun > intended). It's no coincidence that Hardcore once served Belial and I think > their amicable relationship is quite intriguing. The only problem is that > like Saminga Furfur is unfocused....right now he's promoting his word but he > hasn't got an overall vision for the world like Saminga (Dead) or Asmodeus > (1984/Stalin) or even Vapula (Dystopia) Actually, the Word of Hardcore is one of the most fun and subtle creations I've seen in canon. You *think* it just applies to rock-and-roll and headbanging and violent parties, but then you realize that "perverting something to destructive excess" has a *lot* of play and overlap with other concepts... Assuming Armageddon doesn't come for 2000 years, it's entirely possible that Furfure will end up as the Demon Prince of Destruction. (Either that, or a pile of ash on the bottom of a lava lake in Sheol. Infernal evolution in action, as usual.) > Zadkiel: This unfortunately I have absolutely no idea how to do because I > don't own any of the supplements she appears in though ironically I use her > alot because of the comments I read on David's page. Basically I put her as > a very mothering person who represents sanctuary and caring love (Florence > Nightingcherub). Errrrrr... the main problem with Zadkiel is being able to tell her from Novalis in dim light. In the canon writeup, that's usually achieved by noting that Novalis is as non-violent as it can get without being actively suicidal, whereas Zadkiel will grimly wade through blood up to her hips if the blood was from something that tried to mess with someone she was protecting (think mother bear and cubs, you've got the general idea.) > Basically the more femminine aspects of protection that > Michael was ignoring in his relentless pre-emptive strikes against hell and > counter strikes for counter strikes. In my mind, the vision I have of Michael is of somebody who *hasn't* forgotten that -- most often, he leaves it to those who are better suited for it (being a bit pressed for time with all of his own work, it's simply a more efficient time usage to let Novalis take care of the hospices while he runs the combat squads), but he doesn't forget it and neither does he ignore it when it needs to be done *right now*. Remember, the Superiors 1 writeup of Michael had two telling bits -- his opinion of Novalis "... at least she understands the concept of protection." and in the optional 'Michelle' writeup, when they discuss 'Michelle's' habit of fighting like a mother bear with cubs (".. but he might not be as offended as they think. From Michael's point of view, 'protection of the helpless' is one of the few things Novalis and him have in common.") Then again, IMO any campaign that has a degree of cooperation between Michael and Novalis anywhere above "not speaking to each other" leaves little room for Zadkiel -- when War encounters something hurt that needs cherishing and healing, they call Flowers ("Here, *you* pick it up and hug it, it's not my style and I wouldn't know how to do it right even if I wanted to."). When Big Nasty Demons show up and start trying to pick the Flowers, War steps in ("You want the civilians, you're going through the soldiers first!".) - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:18:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> "Angel" of Schlock Horror Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:15:32 +0100From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: IN> "Angel" of Schlock Horror >Karypti >Demon ("Angel, I tell you!") of Schlock Horror >Habbalite Baron of Saminga That's freaking _gorgeous_. Mind if I visualize him as Vincent Price?* >(Sorry. I had this guy in my head, and had to get him >out.) >Genevieve- --- Tell me about it. :) Morgan (FAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Wish I Had Come Up With _That_ One *In his roll as the Abominable Dr. Phibes, of course. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:25:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Gant Subject: Re: IN> Princess Bride/IN [Was: Wrong Band] On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Kiara S. Legner wrote: > >Inigio Montoya, on the other hand, is an Ophanite of War. > > Hm... War, you think? Not Janus? Nope. He stayed too long in one area. I figured War because he never backed down from a fight, even when it was clear that he was outmatched. The Ophanite part should be obvious, however. Richard Gant - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Gant's Gaming Ghetto: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dunes/4656/ The Returners Final Fantasy Role-Playing Game Site: http://returners.simplenet.com/ or http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Matrix/5758/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:45:15 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band Charles Glasgow wrote: > Superiors 1, p. 89, "Obedience and Dissonance" -- first place I remember> seeing it explicitly spelled out that Laurence takes care to tell his> Servitors *what* he wants done without telling them -- except in broad --> *how* to do it, so as to allow them room to improvise to meet changing> circumstances. OK, yeah, that was another clarification. It wasn't a change in his attitude, just something a few people seemed to feel needed spelling out. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:54:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Stylesheet Clarification OK, I'm working on a Cherub Word-bound Creationer who's IST War: I want her to have Vassal of War, which might be a little unlikely, but she _is_ a Word-bound. How the heck do you indicate that and still stay cool with the stylesheet? I looked, but unless I'm missing something, the final version would come out as "Cherub Vassal of War IST War" ... which could have a lot of people going, "Well, duh." :) What am I missing? Morgan (FAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Hmmm. Maybe Giving the Distinction Will Just Make Her A Full Servitor of War ... No, the Main Book Says You Can Have Cross-Word Distinctions. [Bleep]. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:42:26 -0500 From: Kris Overstreet Subject: Re: IN> Playing Minor Superiors At 09:53 PM 7/27/00 -0400, you wrote: >Just as an interesting note since people have brought up exactly what do >Litheroy and Zadkiel and Furfur have going for them other than the fact >their the perfect representation of their choir....basically.... > >How do you play the Minor Superiors? >Zadkiel: This unfortunately I have absolutely no idea how to do because I >don't own any of the supplements she appears in though ironically I use her >alot because of the comments I read on David's page. Basically I put her as >a very mothering person who represents sanctuary and caring love (Florence >Nightingcherub). Basically the more femminine aspects of protection that >Michael was ignoring in his relentless pre-emptive strikes against hell and >counter strikes for counter strikes. Zadkiel is a very emotional being who is wholly dedicated to her charges- all humanity and her Servitors. Her only concern with demons is their effect on the lives, security and peace of humanity. She is almost eternally faithful and loving to her servants and to humanity, and almost eternally vengeful against those demons who persecute, enslave, rob, destroy, etc. humanity. Redneck Kris Overstreet, aka Redneck Gaijin publisher, White Lightning Prod. - www.wlpcomics.com I ***LOATHE*** Microsoft Outlook. Please get Eudora. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:58:40 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Playing Minor Superiors At 9:53 PM -0400 7/27/00, Charles Phipps wrote: >Fufur: Is amusing in my mind beside from being the Calabim's Calabim he's of >course a punk, 80s, 70s, etc Rocker with a tendancy towards burn out (pun >intended). These are mostly responses born out of Canon/FotM, so understand that you can change stuff to your heart's content. Of course, some of it's also my opinion, and that's graven in STONE, man! Furfur's defined as a Hardcore rocker, which is itself an extremist form of Punk, as opposed to a 80's Hair band metal rocker (for example). A child of Sid Vicious rather than Ratt, or so it seems to me. The sort of person who destroys the bar that the band is playing. Not trashes it. Destroys it, leaving the faint smell of alcohol and charred formica in its wake. > It's no coincidence that Hardcore once served Belial and I think >their amicable relationship is quite intriguing. In Canon, Belial is actively trying to destroy the Upstart Prince, and Furfur makes no bones about wanting to tear Belial down and displacing him in Hell. In Canon, so take that for what it's worth. > The only problem is that >like Saminga Furfur is unfocused....right now he's promoting his word but he >hasn't got an overall vision for the world like Saminga (Dead) or Asmodeus >(1984/Stalin) or even Vapula (Dystopia) Very true, IMC. Which is (I think) a function that he's been a Prince for about eight minutes, as Celestials tell time. If/when he gets an advanced writeup, I hope we'll see some evolution of all his (somewhat worthless, IMO) attunements to reflect having a couple of years under his belt. >Zadkiel: [...] Basically I put her as a very mothering person who >represents sanctuary and caring love (Florence Nightingcherub). >Basically the more femminine aspects of protection that Michael was >ignoring in his relentless pre-emptive strikes against hell and >counter strikes for counter strikes. Not too far off. And, pardon if the writer of the original's reading this, an *actively* boring writeup. You try to read it, and your eyes slip off the words and you start considering getting a life. >Litheroy: Same problem with Zaddy unfortunately but when my serpahim Seraph. Seriously, man. "-im" is a plural. Ignore Lilith's spawn for a second. >gets the word of Forgetfulness, I think he'll become a direct >problem with him and pretty heck bent on undermining my Seraph (who >unfortunately will get saddled with servitros who want to play MiB). He'll be disgruntled, but Litheroy's really not the "undermining" type. He's a lot more likely to talk about how he thinks a Seraph with the Word of Forgetfulness is a bad idea. To *everyone.* All the freakin' time. (Well, in a comedic game, anyhow.) >Basically I see him for some reason as an old man puttering about >Yves's library making off with stacks of books and conducting most >of his meetings from the reading room there when he's not at his >cathedral (a Socratian philosophy school). In the writeup, he's extremely active on Earth, where he spends most of his time in Archeology and the like. His cathedral is an Abbey, according to Heaven and Hell. >(Feel free to correct me here guys) How's that? >Also another point I think Litheroy would be fun to be the Angel who >appeared to the Shepards or announced that jesus's tomb was >empty-unfortunately to Dominic's disgust he just announced the ineffable >obvious when he went to check on the tomb. Mm. Probably not, simply because he would go on to explain just who Jesus was to his knowledge, and how he did or didn't fit Heaven. And he and Dominic get along very well. (Hey, *someone* has to like Dominic.) >(I know it's not cannon but it would make him very interesting to me) Then that's all there is to it. (Canon. One N. Canon. It's a religious and academic term. A Cannon is a military weapon.) >Christopher: I like the small one already. I can imagine how much fun he has >when Gabrielle babysits him. > >"I'd say don't touch that because it's hot, but I foresee you will anyway." Well, Christopher isn't a child. He's the Archangel *of* Children, and may appear as one sometimes, but he isn't a child. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:06:31 -0700 From: Rolland Therrien Subject: Re: IN> Playing Minor Superiors - -----Original Message----- From: Kris Overstreet To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Thursday, July 27, 2000 7:49 PM Subject: Re: IN> Playing Minor Superiors >At 09:53 PM 7/27/00 -0400, you wrote: >>Just as an interesting note since people have brought up exactly what do >>Litheroy and Zadkiel and Furfur have going for them other than the fact >>their the perfect representation of their choir....basically.... >> >>How do you play the Minor Superiors? > >>Zadkiel: This unfortunately I have absolutely no idea how to do because I >>don't own any of the supplements she appears in though ironically I use her >>alot because of the comments I read on David's page. Basically I put her as >>a very mothering person who represents sanctuary and caring love (Florence >>Nightingcherub). Basically the more femminine aspects of protection that >>Michael was ignoring in his relentless pre-emptive strikes against hell and >>counter strikes for counter strikes. > >Zadkiel is a very emotional being who is wholly dedicated to her charges- >all humanity and her Servitors. Her only concern with demons is their >effect on the lives, security and peace of humanity. She is almost >eternally faithful and loving to her servants and to humanity, and almost >eternally vengeful against those demons who persecute, enslave, rob, >destroy, etc. humanity. > >Redneck Problem with that write-up is that there's nothing that Zadkiel does that other Archangels don't do better in their fields. Heck, the whole concept of "Protect and Nuture Mankind" is a task that's been divided up amongst 90% of the Heavenly host already. Blandine protects dreams, Christopher watches children David protects communities, Gabriel protects the innocent Marc insures prosperity amongst mankind, Michael protects them in war, Novalis handles healing and nuturing, and Yves watches out for mankind's destiny. Makes the idea of an Archangel of Protection kinda redundant, really. - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:06:10 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Playing Minor Superiors At 9:15 PM -0500 7/27/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: >Errrrrr... the main problem with Zadkiel is being able to tell her from >Novalis in dim light. In the canon writeup, that's usually achieved by >noting that Novalis is as non-violent as it can get without being actively >suicidal, whereas Zadkiel will grimly wade through blood up to her hips if >the blood was from something that tried to mess with someone she was >protecting (think mother bear and cubs, you've got the general idea.) True enough. Novalis embodies the nurturing aspects of a Cherub's divine love, and Zadkiel the obsessive Guardian Angel aspect. But they have convergance, too. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:41:38 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> S3 & the new Character Sheets? At 7:37 PM -0400 07/27/00, EDG wrote: >> [... I wrote...] these will go away, never to be found on my site again >They can go away now. ^_^ Done. Thanks! > Thanks, [Tafka J.], for tipping me off to the fact that although I'd > uploaded the bloody sheets, I hadn't uploaded the changed HTML! No problem! (It's Tafka J. btw. };;;> And before people confuse the issue like poor-poor Morgan, I'm not female either. . . *whistle*) > Is my face red... Heh-heh-heh. Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = tafkaj@thrifty.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:41:26 -0400 From: "EDG" Subject: Re: IN> Stylesheet Clarification > How the heck do you indicate that and still stay cool > with the stylesheet? I looked, but unless I'm missing > something, the final version would come out as "Cherub > Vassal of War IST War" ... which could have a lot of > people going, "Well, duh." :) My gut instinct is: Cherub Vassal of War, Servitor of Creation in service to War. It would be nice to have a stylesheet addendum for those celestials who are so gosh-darn cool that they've got two or more titles. ^_^ - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:57:35 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> Stylesheet Clarification At 7:54 PM -0700 07/27/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >[...] Cherub Word-bound Creationer who's IST War [...] I ran into a similar quandry. I do believe it had to do with a Malakite of Creation in Service to Novalis. *goes to look* Ah yes, I was right. Anyway, I had asked the question. . . And this is the final output (Using QUARK codes that playtesters and future authors should be familiar with). @C-HEAD:Allon-Bachuth ***[[Weeping Oak]] @D-HEAD:Malakite of Creation in service to Novalis, @D-HEAD:Vassal of Flowers However, this is quasi-official at best. (I asked for an official answer, and this was the result. I leave the this to the Keeper of the Sacred Stylesheet to confirm or deny.) I would work it out as thus (again, this is just _my_ opinion, and should not resemble anything 'official'): @C-HEAD: @D-HEAD:Cherub of Creation in service to Michael, @D-Head:Angel of , @D-Head:Vassal of War The alternative would be to just list him under his word, and ignore the distinction in the title. (Yes, I'm well aware of the fact that I use: "Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur," which shows the proper 'Fate' rendering of the Band, Distinction, and Word.) > Petitioner for the Word of Hmmm. Maybe Giving the > Distinction Will Just Make Her A Full Servitor of War > ... No, the Main Book Says You Can Have Cross-Word > Distinctions. [Bleep]. Remember, I'm doing my part to insure the Word of Nitpicking remains strong. . . (Besides, the Impudite of Cute just sucks the Essence away as soon as the Princess gets it.) Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = tafkaj@thrifty.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:22:59 -0400 From: Bull Subject: Re: IN> "Angel" of Schlock Horror At 12:15 AM 7/28/00 +0100, Genevieve Cogman wrote: >Karypti >Demon ("Angel, I tell you!") of Schlock Horror > [SNIP] Very nice :] I can SEE the possibilities :] Bull _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:04:19 -0400 From: "EDG" Subject: IN> Updating the INC: July 27, 2000 I've finally managed to compile and sort the messages flooding into my inbox enough to get together an update for the In Nomine Collection. If all goes well, I'll be posting ten new pieces each week for the foreseeable future. Hopefully, this is going to be a regular thing; I'm starting to get enough time on my hands to blast away at my obligations. (It doesn't help that I'm either at or en route to work for at /least/ 10 hours out of every day.) Before I place /anything/ on the In Nomine Collection, though, I'm going to send a list - like the one that follows this message - to the INlist. If you've written something I have on my list, and you have an issue with my posting it to the INC, please let me know and I'll be more than happy to work things out. Likewise, if you think I might have missed something that belongs on the INC, please feel free to let me know. (Keep in mind that I do have a slushpile, though it's certainly not as substantial as, say, Steven Marsh's. On the other hand, I do miss the occasional pithy comment.) - - EDG 07-27-00 And now, without further ado, The List for the week of July 24, 2000: - - Charles E. Smith puts forth an opinion of the demonic Bands, from the viewpoint of a Servitor of Novalis. - - Ryan Elias presents thoughts on Grigori: what happened when they were outcast, what God intended for them, and where they are now. - - Maurice Lane has a fun little thought, with hairy implications, about Malakim and Jumping. (Commentary by Matt Walsh.) - - Tim Groth offers a piece of short fiction that expounds on the subject of being undead. - - Thomas Howell gives optional rules for cinematic gun battles in In Nomine, using multiple weapons. - - Mr. Howell seems to have guns on his mind; he's given us rules for penalties for using Holy or Unholy weapons, if you're the wrong flavor of celestial. - - The perennially prolific (and ever-excellent) Maurice Lane treats us to Thirty Seconds Over The Vale, a tale of conspiracy, deceit, and nightmares. . . - - A characterization of a pre-Archangel Laurence, including his first and only note of dissonance, by Charles Phipps. - - We present the first of Jennifer Campbell's film trailers - this one for The Agony And The Ecstasy. - - Beth McCoy's imagination goes to town with an adventure seed involving a very dangerous split personality. . . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:17:40 -0700 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> Playing Minor Superiors Whistling in the Dark wrote: > >Also another point I think Litheroy would be fun to be the Angel who > >appeared to the Shepards or announced that jesus's tomb was > >empty-unfortunately to Dominic's disgust he just announced the ineffable > >obvious when he went to check on the tomb. > > Mm. Probably not, simply because he would go on to explain just who > Jesus was to his knowledge, and how he did or didn't fit Heaven. And > he and Dominic get along very well. (Hey, *someone* has to like > Dominic.) I've always figured that it was because Dominic *knows* that Litheroy has nothing to hide, and *knows* that if any of Litheroy's Servitors become dissonant, not only will Lith find out fairly quickly (in all probability. I imagine it's very hard for a servant of revelation, even a dissonant one, to keep secrets from anyone, let alone their master detective holmesian Superior) but will also be more than happy to tell Dominic about it. So Dom is grateful to have someone he doesn't have to watch all the time. And Litheroy probably gets along pretty well with Dominic as well, simply because Judgement shares the same ultimate goals as Revelation (more or less). I imagine that he's rather dissaproving of some of Judgements methods, however (like Dominic's cloak, for one). Cheers, -Ryan, the other Litheroy fan ^_^ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:15:24 -0300 From: pbarkow@is2.dal.ca Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band On 27 Jul 00, at 19:43, Kiara S. Legner wrote: > I know. But I just watched it again, and I'm *almost* as bad about Princess > Bride quotes as I am about Rocky Horror references... Ooh! Rocky Horror IN would be fun too. Now, Dr. Frank N. Furter would be an Impudite of Andre with an attunement or two from Vapula... > > > > Ki > > > "Remove the shotgun, add more pigs jumping through windows, you know, that sorta stuff." Philip Barkow pbarkow@is2.dal.ca http://is2.dal.ca/~pbarkow/ Harbinger of Keener-sama Vice President DPG Official Fashion Consultant and Hentai of the DGML Shameless Faith/Buffy shipper. Head of the Keiko-chanian faction ___________________________________________________ Want free email at the price of your privacy, your soul, and your first born child? Oh wait, that wouldn't be very free... http://cold.mail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:47:50 -0500 From: Kris Overstreet Subject: Re: IN> Playing Minor Superiors > >>Zadkiel is a very emotional being who is wholly dedicated to her charges- >>all humanity and her Servitors. Her only concern with demons is their >>effect on the lives, security and peace of humanity. She is almost >>eternally faithful and loving to her servants and to humanity, and almost >>eternally vengeful against those demons who persecute, enslave, rob, >>destroy, etc. humanity. >> >Problem with that write-up is that there's nothing that Zadkiel does that >other Archangels don't do better in their fields. Heck, the whole concept >of "Protect and Nuture Mankind" is a task that's been divided up amongst 90% >of the Heavenly host already. Not -exactly.- >Blandine protects dreams, But not -necessarily- the dreamers. > Christopher watches children > David protects >communities, Only those which meet his requirements. David has no use or pity for the weak. >Gabriel protects the innocent Not in the least. Gabriel punishes the wicked- NOT the same thing. > Marc insures prosperity amongst >mankind, Nope. He promotes fair trade, but doesn't guarantee good fortune in business. > Michael protects them in war, Nope. Michael's and Laurence's goals are for humanity in general, not any humans specifically. >Novalis handles healing and >nuturing, One right. >and Yves watches out for mankind's destiny. No, Yves watches out for -individual- destinies, and Servitors of Destiny are, for the most part, not charged with protection or intervention. >Makes the idea of an Archangel of Protection kinda redundant, really. Not at all, but it does insure that Zadkiel will remain a -minor- Archangel: her focus is to narrow, indeed to monomaniacal, for her Word to prosper quite as much as it could. Zadkiel is not the first or oldest Cherub, but she is the ultimate guardian angel, and her Servitors in general are charged with protecting not only humanity but those Angels who cannot help themselves. Whereas most of the Host is -offense- driven, Zadkiel's forces are primarily defensive, and play the role of shield to Laurence's Sword. Redneck Kris Overstreet, aka Redneck Gaijin publisher, White Lightning Prod. - www.wlpcomics.com I ***LOATHE*** Microsoft Outlook. Please get Eudora. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:53:24 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Playing Minor Superiors In a message dated 7/27/00 11:50:45 PM Central Daylight Time, redneck@detnet.com writes: << > David protects >communities, Only those which meet his requirements. David has no use or pity for the weak. >> I think that's a little inaccurate. He doesn't respect those who try to hide behind weakness, and use it as an excuse. But he would help a weak person become strong. Or encourage a group of weak people to find strength by banding together. Reverend Brian A. Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:19:14 -0400 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: IN> Re: Wrong Band >Rocky Horror IN would be fun too. And so my time on the list has come full circle. :) >Now, Dr. Frank N. Furter would be an Impudite of Andre with an >attunement or two from Vapula... Vapula? Heck. Saminga. Taking the dead, splitting their brains, making sexy mummies (and one rock'n'roll zombie). yours, Jason P.S.: Riff Raff is a Djinn of the Game who's made it at least as far as Knight of Judgment. * * * * * "I'm addicted to stress that's the way that I get things done if I'm not underpressure then I sleep too long and I hang around like a bum and I think I'm going nowhere and that makes me nervous..." Jason Schneiderman jadasc@ma.ultranet.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1738 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.