From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Jul 29 19:23:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA13525 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:23:33 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id TAA24707 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:21:23 -0500 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:21:23 -0500 Message-Id: <200007300021.TAA24707@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1743 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, July 29 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1743 In this digest: Re: IN> IN/Rocky Horro [Was: Wrong Band] Re: IN> Anti-Malakim Re: IN> IN Romance -- Opposites Attract Re: IN> IN Romance -- Opposites Attract IN> Adventure Hook- A Midsummer Night's Scream IN> Dreams of Swords and Chivalry netbook Re: IN> IN Romance -- Opposites Attract Re: IN> Hardcore Words Re: IN> IN/Rocky Horro [Was: Wrong Band] Re: IN> IN Romance -- Opposites Attract Re: IN> IN/Rocky Horro [Was: Wrong Band] Re: IN> IN Romance -- Opposites Attract IN> Re: Netbook IN> Servitors of Protection and Evil Smiting (was Re: Wrong Band) Re: IN> Re: Netbook IN> Ofanite Resonance and Dissonance Re: IN> IN Romance -- Opposites Attract Re: IN> Words in Celestial vs Demonic Re: IN> Words in Celestial vs Demonic Re: IN> Thirty seconds over the Vale... Re: IN> Thirty seconds over the Vale... IN> Celestial Poisons ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:14:53 +0100 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: Re: IN> IN/Rocky Horro [Was: Wrong Band] - -----Original Message----- From: Kiara S. Legner To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: 28 July 2000 22:58 Subject: Re: IN> IN/Rocky Horro [Was: Wrong Band] >>Yes. *And* the feather boa. (The bustier can be just slung rakishly over >one >>shoulder, if you've got the body for that...) >>Think about it though... It's midnight, and a ritual is about to ensue. All >>that *essence*! All that *worship*! > > I'm now going to have to create an entire pantheon from the movie, >it would seem. Hm. I suspect I can conjure up a servitor of Nybbas to >shelter 'em... Hey, I ran a one-off scenario once where a Servitor of Lust got a Charmed angel of Fire (I forget her Choir) dancing in the chorus, and was planning to attempt to create a Tether to Andrealphus at the height of the performance (at a local university) ... I seem to recall that the PCs got on his track when investigating a mysterious briefcase which had got swopped for the one they were trying to find containing Secret Plans, and which had contained a Beethoven sonata for violin, some maths textbooks, a feather boa, and some fishnet stockings... Genevieve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:42:11 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Anti-Malakim David Rodemaker wrote: > > > How would you do Anti-Malakim? (Fallen Malakim or a version of > > Hey David (The Other Other David)... > > Post your web-page with the Link... Dark Malakim: http://www.amadan.org/Innomine/DarkMalakim.htm - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:51:57 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> IN Romance -- Opposites Attract Charles Glasgow wrote: > The amount of harm that Lucifer's forces have managed to do the Earth in the > meantime is *immense*. Only the constant vigilance of the Host on *all* > fronts has kept it from being worse. But that vigilance has included using Novalis' methods. It's likely that if the entire Host consisted of angels of Flowers, the pure Flowers approach would have failed to contain Lucifer's horde. OTOH, it's also likely that if there were no Archangel of Flowers and the Host's _only_ method of dealing with the horde was to dish out some smackdown at every opportunity, that the Earth would be a wasteland and humans would all be brutal animals fighting for survival. But we don't know. > You keep claiming that Novalis could be 100% right. If Novy were 100% > right, there'd be no fighting. IF she were 100% right and the Host all agreed with her. Neither condition has ever been tested. > It does, however, rack up another point for the idea that while Gandhi's > path might be a beautiful dream, it don't work in real life. It DID work. Not indefinitely, but it accomplished its goal. > Despite these protestations, I think everybody else reading this thread can > figure out which side you prefer... Actually, you're both getting annoying because you're linking a hypothetical discussion about what Archangels believe with your own personal beliefs, so that "I don't think Novalis thinks that way" somehow becomes "Your personal philosophy is wrong." - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:02:00 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> IN Romance -- Opposites Attract - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Edelstein" To: Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 5:51 PM Subject: Re: IN> IN Romance -- Opposites Attract > Charles Glasgow wrote: > > The amount of harm that Lucifer's forces have managed to do the Earth in the > > meantime is *immense*. Only the constant vigilance of the Host on *all* > > fronts has kept it from being worse. > > But that vigilance has included using Novalis' methods. It's likely that > if the entire Host consisted of angels of Flowers, the pure Flowers > approach would have failed to contain Lucifer's horde. OTOH, it's also > likely that if there were no Archangel of Flowers and the Host's _only_ > method of dealing with the horde was to dish out some smackdown at every > opportunity, that the Earth would be a wasteland and humans would all be > brutal animals fighting for survival. But we don't know. How many times must I say that this is the position *I'm* rooting for before somebody hears me? For what I hope is the last time -- IN MY WRITEUP, NOVALIS IS NOT AGREEING THAT MICHAEL'S WAY IS RIGHT. What she *is* doing is admitting that *some* of the time, the sad fact is that Michael may be more right than she is. *And Michael is doing the same thing* AAMOF, I've got Michael being *more* flexible about things then Novalis did -- I've got him choosing (when appropriate) to stand back and letting Flowers work while his servitors are ordered to keep it quiet and not wake the baby, I've got him running his planning sessions by Novalis on a regular basis, I've got him cooperating to the point where the War servitors are acting as support staff and backup to the Flowers... ...but I have not *once* had, or said I had, the Flowers servitors doing anything other than what they normally do. And definitely not doing anything aggressive. (They just realize slightly more often when the situation has become such that what they're doing is not working, and then duck while people who *are* better suited to that *particular* situation step in...) Due to Michael's being a hard-boiled pragmatist and her being a dedicated idealist, he is by his very nature a lot more flexible than she is. So in this 'relationship' that I've 'forced', *Michael* is doing the majority of the bending. But he can do that, because his word of War (as opposed to Baal's of 'The War') has both non-violent and violent, both friendly and unfriendly aspects. OTOH, as has been pointed out quite often, there is no "battle-form mode" of Flowers. (So the initial accusations of how I was distorting Novalis beyond belief were at first puzzling, then rapidly grew annoying, and to this date are downright incomprehensible. If anybody's changed the most in this setup I did, *he* did.) - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:15:24 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Adventure Hook- A Midsummer Night's Scream Here's yet another Laurence and Blandine courtly love tale for angels.....(and one I'm going to feast on my players) Summer in Heaven is a beutiful time of the year with birds singing, laughter fills the air, and a young man's fancy turns to love. Okay Heaven is usually like this but it's especially bad this time of the year....and Laurence is truly bewitched this time by the Lady Blandine and has decided against all his better senses of chivalry to make his love known to her. Unfortunately word (and not just those awarded by the Seraphim council) travels quickly in Heaven and several Superiors have gotton wind of Laurence's devotion by having servitors overhear him praticing proclaiming his love, the boy talking to them discreetly (and failing miserably at it) to them for advice, and they have come up with their own opinions on Laurence's dear courtship of the Lady of Dreams. Dominic: I am dubious of love in anything but the abstract and the thought of two of heaven's best distracted from God's will by the pleasures of the flesh is extremely unsettling. However a stronger bond and a shattering of old ones may be beneficial....Servitors COME! Michael: About fricking time. Laurence needs some sense of what to fight for and individuality....Blandine needs personally a new lover anyway...still he's likely to mess it up....SERVITORS.... Novalis: Hehehe finally the boy's head is out of the clouds and on something real....this may just show him the part that the beutiful and demure is as valuable as the sharp and pointy. Of course alittle matchmaking...SERVITORS.... The list could potentially go on and on....though not everyone is particularly pleased about this pairing when the news hits south. Andreaphalus first is literally horrofied, angered, and disgusted that the seeds of Angelic love are blossoming anew and finds the idea of another suitor healing the wound to Blandine's heart nothing short of blasphemous. At the very least an attack on his greatest proof of the fallacy of love. Kobal on the other hand finds the entire premise delicious for quite possibly one of his most violent and merciless jokes ever....one that will destroy two Archangels and poison the dreams of love and chivalry forever. Also perhaps endearing him to the lovely Lady Beleth.... Beleth herself has no opinion she will share on this strange development and merely looked at Blandine's tower from a distance when she heard the news... The Angelic PCs dispatched to work towards bringing Blandine and Laurence together in any way they can.... Laurence's Courtship Techniques : Unfortunately for them Laurence despite being a paragon of everything good in knights has got no clue how to win Blandine's heart....he's not very good with a Lute (or is very martial in tone), his poetry stinks comparing usually everything to sharp pointy objects (as Novalis noted), and I don't want to tell you about his attempts to live out fairytales by climbing Blandine's hair.... Blandine's reaction: The lady of Dreams is very bemused and she'd be lying if she said she wasn't more than alittle flattered that Heaven's most sought after soul has fallen for her. However the fact remains she is still Beleth's love in her mind and considers Laurence more than a child as he's doing all this... It will take a miracle to get these two together.... Unfortunately Satan has his own plans and it comes in the form of Andre's and Kobal's team of nasties intent on warping the Tower-crossed romance as much as possible. Balthazar: The "Angel" of Tragic Romance is a Habbalah of Andre who fell believing now that love can best be expressed by suffering. A very powerful word bound he murders Blandine's closest friend and seneschal after observing his mannerisms to replace him with his artifact "the Mask of Dreams" Viola *: A Lilim of Andre's who truly loathes love as perhaps much as he does she personally intends to masquerade as a Bright Lilim of Blandine's intent on seducing Laurence for sheer lust and guilt, believing such an act will win her a word with Lucifer. Toad: A Calabim with the discord of flat feat Toad is a servitor of Dark Humor who has the IQ of roughly a wooden fence post. Not really witty enough to rise high in Kobal's service, he has enough ironic sense to make his songs and resonance work to make laurence look like a fool while staying alive. Ordramaeus: A alien looking vesseled servitor of Beleth (looking nothing so much as a huge spider faced man under black robes) he personally has no interest in disrupting Blandine and Laurence's courtship but is quite possibly the key to Kobal's plan. The demon knowing much about a mysterious artifact called the Chest of Uriel... Possible Events: * Balthazar proding Blandine about Laurence will attempt to set up as tragic an encounter as possible with either encouraging her to accept Laurence's affections or playing on her "betrayal" of Beleth in the attempt to cause her as much mental anguish as possible...perhaps setting up other servitors of Blandine for a destructive end by playing on long repressesed dreams of lust and passion with his resonance in the Marches. * Toad with excellent camoflage fromg songs and his own natural abilities he will attempt to set up as embarassing a situation for laurence as possible with everything from sword sticking due to glue, the ivy withering when Laurence seeks to climb it, and anything he can to make Laurence look like an idiot...he may even attempt a little ventrilquism. * Viola after playing the militant Joan of Arc style wanderer of the marches (saying everything that she thinks Laurence wants to hear) will attempt to seduce any angelic PCs she fancies as well...sensing any needs for companionship she can. She will wait for a especially nasty rejection from Blandine to make her move.... * Assuming Balthazar is not unmasked he will bring in Ordramaeus to be "redeemed" and lock him away with bad management....leaving him open to pursue the Chest of Uriel and let all hell (nearly literally) break loose before Ordra attempts to use the dust of sleeping he has aquired from Kobal to put Blandine and the rest of her angels in a temporarey sleep until either the Ethereals released can finish her off or Kobal can be summoned to remove her to Beleth's tower... Artifacts: * The Mask of Dreams: A artifact that once belonged to Blandine and was a gift from Kobal when he was the young Archangel of humor. The mask was recovered by Kobal when he destroyed in a dramatic manner the infiltrator to his organization wearing it not long ago (about 400 years). The mask allows whoever wears it at the dramatic cost of 10 essence to become a perfect duplicate of any angel, demon, or ethereal in appearence up to Archangel level. All answers to the contrary are fooled save when ineffable. Needless to say this immensley powerful artifact is being lent to Balthazar by Kobal with EXTREME care. * The Chest of Uriel: a hideous looking chest covered with a mad eyed corruption of the Archangel of Purity's face plus the constantly withering screams of Ethereals on it. The Chest of Uriel is a creation of the Archangel of Purity meant to imprison Ethereals he could not or would not destroy (for various reasons) but refused to let run free; long before the Purity Crusade. Unfortunately the creatures entrapped in it have warped the box's purpose and the beings inside are long since insane and violent scheming for a way to exit their prison. Blandine hopes to discover a way to cure the creatures inside but recognizes their release is dangerous as well. * The Dust of the Sandman: This artifact produced by Kobal's gag factory (A subsidary of Vapulan Industries and ACME inc) with his explicit instructions and a massive ammount of essence is a one shot device necessary to his plan to destroy the two archangels....when released over the heart of Blandine's cathedral it will put her and everyone of her servitors inside it to sleep with those who are at the outer edges may recieve saving throw vs. will to remain awake (actually it is more properly a type of dreamless coma). Temporarey at best...the dust will still play a major part in his prank. Suggested Possible Endings: * A dramatic rescue by Laurence leading to Blandine to give him a reward of some kind that may be accepting of his courtly advances to a full fledged kiss....perhaps leading to more down the line if the PCs have anything to say about it. * Blandine captured by Beleth in her tower is kept prisoner and Laurence prepares an immediate strike....intending to destroy Beleth for the outrage and perhaps risking his position as head of the Heavenly host for love. But *THATS* another story. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:34:41 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Dreams of Swords and Chivalry netbook Or whatever we're calling it. You know I was curious about this whole Blandine/Laurence netbook we've been talking about. I gave my opinion a better netbook would be something looked over by EDG and David and all of In Nomine but that's a much more massive prodject. Some thoughts on assembelage so far are... NPCs: * The Angel of Courtly Love: Laurence's servitor already posted is a wonderful character and perfect for this kind of story. Campaign Seeds * 30 Seconds over the Vale: This should be more detailed (specificaly how it ENDS for our loving couple...or at least a number of possible endings) and the tale expanded on. * A Midsummer Night's scream: Forgive me if I'm arrogant enough to believe it was good enough for inclusion. Fanfiction pieces * The Wedding of Laurence and Blandine: Aside from keeping us in suspense it's an awesome piece! I'd be glad to keep track of all these.....however someone definately needs to keep all the documents and get them ready for postage on the webpage when we're done. Hehehe oh dear for some reason I'm wondering what Laurence and Blandine's wedding night would be like.... - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 01:24:14 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> IN Romance -- Opposites Attract - --On Friday, July 28, 2000 5:20 PM -0500 Charles Glasgow wrote: > The road to Hell is paved with what? Frozen door-to-door salesmen. On weekends, some of the younger demons go ice skating. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 01:38:46 -0400 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Hardcore Words >Yes Stock-trading belongs to Mammon and Dieting to Gluttony but >here's a question what if one of Fufur's Lilim decides to petition >Lucifer for the word of HARDCORE dieting? Or one of his Balseraphs >(assuming he can persuade furfur he's not a weenie) persuades >him to petition Lucifer for the word of Hardcore Stock-trading? >Theoretically this is quite a lot of words to work with....and >the possibilities are probably very disturbing to Hell... > >Mammon: Hold on what do you mean Lucifer awarded his servitor >the word of Hardcore Greed? I *AM* HARDCORE GREED! I AM ALL GREED! > >Haagenti: That's just what I said.... > >Kobal: Hahahahhahahahah > >Asmodeus: Hardcore humor was just awarded yesterday... > >Kobal: Haha...hold on....WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK *DARK* HUMOR >IS? > >Asmoedus: Apparently not Hardcore. > >This shapes up intriguingly. I don't think that Lucifer would do this, he'd have Furfur offed before hand like Demogorgon. Hardcore is a lot like Destruction, in that it has the potential to describe all of Hell's activities. Destruction is what Hell is all about, if you take Destruction to its full limits. Lucifer probably didn't like the idea of a DP of Destruction who one day may figure out that there word encompased everything from the slow destruction of the soul (corruption) to the destruction of alliances (factions). Likewise Hardcore can potentially do this, if it is broadly and deadly interpreted. I doubt Lucifer is going to fuel this, and that Furfur lacks the complexity to do so. I see him as a method of keeping the DPs on their toes, he may over through one established Prince and essentially assume all of the Words beneath that Superior but more likely will be crushed. Maybe by an aliance between all those fearing that Words are going to go to Furfur that could go to them. Maybe Lucifer wants to start unifing the Demon Princes against common foes, so they can start fighting Heaven as a unified force. Then again I may simply have been up for over 24 hours and lost a lot of cognitive ability because of it. Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 06:48:59 GMT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> IN/Rocky Horro [Was: Wrong Band] >From: "Genevieve Cogman" > > >Hey, I ran a one-off scenario once where a Servitor of Lust got a Charmed >angel of Fire (I forget her Choir) dancing in the chorus I'd never really thought of Ming the Merciless as a Servitor of Lust ... up until now. Flash Gordon! Mercurian of Lightning! jo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 04:34:17 -0500 From: Uncle Wolf Subject: Re: IN> IN Romance -- Opposites Attract > Charles Glasgow wrote: > OTOH, as has been pointed out quite often, there is no "battle-form mode" of > Flowers. Sounds like somebody has never read "The Thorns of Barevi" by Anne McCaffrey, in her short story anthology "Get Off The Unicorn". The goru-pear [IIRC] trees on Barevi have thorns to protect their fruit; any contact with the tree will cause the thorns to "spray" out, like a volley-firing porcupine plant. Each tree can fire two or three volleys before having to re-arm, but they re-arm in five minutes or less. They fire in numbers and force enough to make the Catteni [a heavy gravity warrior-race with thick skin compared in the story to an elephant's hide] avoid them. So saying there is no battle-form mode for Flowers is, IMO, patently untrue, as anyone who has harvested blueberries in the wild can attest [raises hand]. Besides, if Saint McCaffrey says it is so, it is, and only Heretical Heathen Infidels would dare to suggest otherwise. *g* Tom Timberlake, Cadre Cherub of Heaven and Drooling McCaffrey Fanboy - -- Strange blood, howl again, for now we know to well - Better a friend on paths unknown, than to be alone in hell! "Strange Blood" A Wolfrider's Reflection, by various artists ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 08:02:57 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> IN/Rocky Horro [Was: Wrong Band] - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Hart" To: Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 1:48 AM Subject: Re: IN> IN/Rocky Horro [Was: Wrong Band] > > > > >From: "Genevieve Cogman" > > > > > >Hey, I ran a one-off scenario once where a Servitor of Lust got a Charmed > >angel of Fire (I forget her Choir) dancing in the chorus > > I'd never really thought of Ming the Merciless as a Servitor of Lust ... up > until now. > > Flash Gordon! Mercurian of Lightning! A *Mercurian*? With all of the people he punched out? Or do extraterrestrial beings not count as 'human' for dissonance conditions? Naaaaahhh... Flash was just an ordinary guy. Well, OK, an ordinary 7-Force guy. *Dale*, OTOH, was secretly a Mercurian of Destiny, whose job was to get Flash to be all that he could be by giving him something to fight for... ... (come on, you think anybody could be that pathetically in need of rescue *that often* without deliberately working at it? *wink*) - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 09:06:02 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> IN Romance -- Opposites Attract Uncle Wolf wrote: > Besides, if Saint McCaffrey says it is > so, it is, and only Heretical Heathen Infidels would dare to suggest > otherwise. *g* Obviously a poor beknighted soul who's been victimized by the Balseraph Demon of Overrated Hack Authors. - -David (actually, I think McCaffrey is a victim of the Demon of Selling Out) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 11:05:30 EDT From: Daedalus3D@aol.com Subject: IN> Re: Netbook Y'know, I thought this would happen. We get a couple days energy on making something happen, and then the idea vanishes completely into oblivion. I think it may just be that somebody just needs to get behind this thing and make it work by their own sheer gumption. Here's the deal. Jenni had said at one point that she was ready, on moment's notice, to set up somewhere for us to dump stuff on any given topic that we decided to cover. Well, since we're never going to get consensus on _this_ list (I gesture vaguely to the "Michael/Novalis" discussion that is seeking to surpass the breadth of "War and Peace"), I recommend that someone just set up a list/site/holding bin/whatever for whatever topic most interests them and just edit whatever submissions they get into some kind of netbook. I'd do it myself, but I'd rather it be someone with more of a passion for organizaiton. Be that as it may, if no one else does it in, say, a week, my e-group on the Grigori & Kids will be up. Later. Daedalus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 10:34:24 -0500 From: "Adam B. Ensinger" Subject: IN> Servitors of Protection and Evil Smiting (was Re: Wrong Band) > Agreed... Zadkiel seemed to be a bit... Blah... > I disagree....I'm with Moe on this one....she's all soft and maternal, until you make her mad. Then you'd better run. Fast. > I created my first character (and the only one I've really played so far) > as an Malakim of War. He has a solid Role as a Police Detective in > Miami, and his other two oaths are: Protect Humanity from Demons, and Protect > Humanity from Itself. > > I'm very happy with the way he's turning out so far, and I wouldn't want > to change him over to a servitor of Zadkiel (I didn'tr ead her write up > until after we'd started playing anyways), but I can also see him being very > willing to help her out. However, he's happy serving Michael, as he > LIKES killing demons. :] > He'd probably get along well with my Cherub of Protection.....his opinion on the best way to protect his Charges is to kill any demon who might even think about messing with them. He tends to hang around with War and Sword servitors alot (especially Malakim), and promotes the immediate removal of any demons dumb enough to show their faces in town (or near town, or in the next town). He also likes to hang with servitors of Gabriel, because they're useful for finding cruel people who might harm his Charges. But around peaceful, "good" people, he's a big teddy bear....wouldn't hurt a fly (unless it was carrying a nasty virus, that is :) Weird set of friends, his....the sword-swinging killer types and the local "peacenik" angels, servitors of Flowers and Destiny. Kind of a go-between for the various camps in town. Zadkiel may not be the most interesting Archangel in Heaven, but there are possibilites there.....now if I could only get an expanded writeup of her ala the Superiors series....... Adam Ensinger dixie@evansville.net ICQ# 68450477 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:35:07 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Re: Netbook At 11:05 AM -0400 7/29/00, Daedalus3D@aol.com wrote: > I >think it may just be that somebody just needs to get behind this thing and >make it work by their own sheer gumption. Exactly right. I'm not inspired by the Courtly Love topic, myself, or I'd likely be in the thick. What the netbook needs is a core editor to work. Good luck with it! - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jul 2000 13:10:54 -0700 From: Casca Subject: IN> Ofanite Resonance and Dissonance On Thu, 20 July 2000, "Janet Anderson" wrote: > (And I have never felt right about the fact that according to canon, >Ofanim can Fall without having any choice whatever.) Me either. Which is why I changed their resonance in my game. (As an aside, I should mention that my players have nicknamed me "Chainsaw Surgery GM" because of the tinkering I do with rules...no canon is left unscathed.) The Ofanite direction sense I have no problem with, and it works fine. My problem is with their "add to the CD of a roll" Resonance, because it's kludgy. Ofanim are agents of motion, so they should be able to move quickly through their Resonance, not get a bonus to skill rolls. So, I changed it to this: Roll against Will. A successful roll means the CD determines the amount of extra actions that Ofanite has this round. Thus, an OFanite can act between 2 and 7 times per round. Sound munchkiny? Sure. But then I tack on the Dissonance condition. It's Dissonant for Ofanim not to act in the face of overwhelming compulsion, right? So if the Ofanite has 7 actions that turn, he'd better find 7 things to do before that turn is over. If not, barring incapacitation or Trauma, that OFanite will take Dissonance for each unused action. Balances quite nicely, I think, and it encourages players to adopt the Ofanite mindset of "Just act, don't think about the consequences." - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:06:18 GMT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> IN Romance -- Opposites Attract >From: Uncle Wolf > >Sounds like somebody has never read "The Thorns of Barevi" by Anne >McCaffrey, in her short story anthology "Get Off The Unicorn If that's the pathetic soft porn one, then I think anyone who has never read it is v. lucky and should try to continue in that mode ;) jo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jul 2000 14:23:11 -0700 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Words in Celestial vs Demonic On Fri, 21 July 2000, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > At 3:08 PM -0700 7/19/00, Bruce Dykes wrote: > [...] > >But Words? How does a celestial recognize a Wordbound? > > The Word-bound does something like _explain_ it, or use > some cool power that generally imparts the notion that, > Gee, This Person Just Might Have A Word... [snip] > Aside from that, you have to rely on rumor, gossip, or > other information sources. In my So Non-Canonical It's Heretical campaign, information such as Word service (including Word-bondage) and Distinctions are clearly evident in Celestial form. So a Cherub Vassal of the Sword in Service to Dominic clearly shows up as a Cherub Vassal of the Sword in Service to Dominic. I don't bother explaining how -- it just is. Heaven's funky that way. - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:55:59 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Words in Celestial vs Demonic - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Casca" To: Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 4:23 PM Subject: Re: IN> Words in Celestial vs Demonic > In my So Non-Canonical It's Heretical campaign, information such as Word > service (including Word-bondage) and Distinctions are clearly evident in > Celestial form. > > So a Cherub Vassal of the Sword in Service to Dominic clearly shows up as > a Cherub Vassal of the Sword in Service to Dominic. I don't bother explaining > how -- it just is. Heaven's funky that way. [Chuckg invokes Brian VanHoose (1) and prepares to perform one of his Rites] Wouldn't that make it real easy to ID the Superiors of enemy Servitors (and via them, enemy politics) just by hiding otu and trying to catch a glimpse of them in Celestial form? How does it work on Free Lilim temporarily in service to etc.? - -- Chuckg (1) "Knights Of The Dinner Table" (2) reference (2) B&W indie comic satirizing gamers and gaming. Written by gamers for gamers, nobody else will get the jokes. (3) (3) Writing footnotes *of* footnotes... yup, somebody's got too much time on his hands today, fer shure. *g* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:08:28 -0500 From: Uncle Wolf Subject: Re: IN> Thirty seconds over the Vale... > "O. S. Kerr" wrote: > Side note: Assume this goes according to plan. What if... [snip] > Kicks ass on Stonys and Warriors alike? Can you say "Etherial Vietnam"? Locals who know the turf versus mighty foreign warriors. beware the tunnel rats and the snipers in the trees.... *beg* Tom Timberlake, Cadre Cherub of Heaven - -- Strange blood, howl again, for now we know to well - Better a friend on paths unknown, than to be alone in hell! "Strange Blood" A Wolfrider's Reflection, by various artists ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:04:20 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Thirty seconds over the Vale... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Uncle Wolf" To: Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 5:08 PM Subject: Re: IN> Thirty seconds over the Vale... > > > > "O. S. Kerr" wrote: > > Side note: Assume this goes according to plan. What if... > > [snip] > > > Kicks ass on Stonys and Warriors alike? > > Can you say "Etherial Vietnam"? Locals who know the turf versus mighty > foreign warriors. beware the tunnel rats and the snipers in the > trees.... *beg* I might point out that any scenario in which the forces of Heaven spend any real effort trying to fight wars with *each other* would give a *major* Word-boost to Malphas and Baal (and probably Kobal, 'cause it *is* a sick joke for angels to act that way)... ... and all of the Archangels involved in this should know that, and therefore not do it -- no matter how much they think the other one just screwed 'em over or not. I mean, it would be nice if angelic Superiors were given credit for being beings of greater-than-human intelligence and selflessness, as they are *supposed* to be... - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:19:34 EDT From: Zeresh43@gateway.net Subject: IN> Celestial Poisons Hey, it says in Night Music that there exists Ethereal and Celestial Poisons. Does anybody know what any of these are? It just says "most Celestials don't have knowledge of such things." Clear Skies Zeresh, Habbalah demon of the Annoying New Guy ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1743 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.