From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Aug 5 10:55:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA10113 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:55:51 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id KAA02920 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:53:09 -0500 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:53:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200008051553.KAA02920@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1758 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, August 5 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1758 In this digest: Re: IN> IN Cover Re: IN> In Space, Everyone Can Hear The Symphony Scream IN> A Tether to Lust Re: IN> In Space, Everyone Can Hear The Symphony Scream Re: IN> A Tether to Lust Re: IN> IN Cover Re: IN> Hi Re: IN> IN Cover Re: IN> Habbalated Re: IN> New Fire Attunements (was re: Habbalated) Re: IN> IN Cover RE: IN> IN Cover IN> Aliens in In Nomine (Was Re: In Space Re: IN> IN Cover Re: IN> I Dunno. "A bloodfeud of Demon Princes" isn't snappy Re: IN> I Dunno. "A bloodfeud of Demon Princes" isn't snappy Re: IN> I Dunno. "A bloodfeud of Demon Princes" isn't snappy IN> Dominic Re: IN> Dominic Re: IN> Dominic IN> nybbas' latest project RE: IN> IN Cover IN> New Principality: Haagenti's Tummy Re: Fw: IN> New Fire Attunements (was re: Habbalated) Re: IN> Dominic IN> And Jordi Weeps.... IN> "Plundering the Bible" Re: IN> And Jordi Weeps.... Re: IN> mundane character sheet Re: IN> IN Cover IN> Maybe slightly off-topic..... Re: IN> In Space, Everyone Can Hear The Symphony Scream Re: IN> IN Cover IN> Great Books Re: IN> And Jordi Weeps.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:41:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jennifer Campbell Subject: Re: IN> IN Cover I wish I had gotten this one! I love it! TWOTHUMBSUP! *giggle* Jenni ===== "The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they're going to be when you kill them." - -William Clayton ICQ UIN: 14514495 AIM: Pepper2540 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:44:46 -0400 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> In Space, Everyone Can Hear The Symphony Scream From: Guy Royse > > > The entire issue of aliens will be a tough one. As I > > see it, there are several choices: > > One could always just say that the aliens always were in Heaven and > Hell and nobody really noticed. > > Another thing that could be interesting, now that I think of it, is > that aliens are souless, godless creatures. This could give humanity > and perhaps even angels innumerable reasons to treat them poorly. > Without a Fate or a Destiny, they are at best unimportant to the War > and at worse useful pawns. IMC, there were plenty of aliens. Every alien race, when it was created, had some sort of equivalent to the Garden of Eden test. So far, humanity was the only species (besides the celestials themselves) that had failed, so all the other species lived a utopian life, and then died and went straight to the higher heavens. Naturally, the angels concentrated their efforts on Earth, since all of the other alien species were all mature and sane and didn't need much angelic help. For the Princes, mankind was the only species they could easily corrupt into becoming little damned essence batteries, and demons could only enter the physical universe where there was enough sin for them to do so -- this meant that they were confined to Earth. This was also why mankind had never been visited by aliens; the planet was under quarantine as too dangerous for them to visit. The demons, of course, had a strong interest in promoting space travel and making interstellar travel practical, since wherever man went they could follow. This is one of the reasons that Jean was reluctant to give humans supertech -- it was a terrible risk for all the other sentients in the universe. (If you've read C.S. Lewis's Space Trilogy you've read the source I stole shamelessly from. :) This was mostly all just backstory, to explain the Fermi paradox. For a full space-based game it's not less useful unless you want human PCs to feel like orcs in Lothlorien. I think Earl described his game as one in which different species failed the Garden of Eden test to different degrees -- orcs had done a little worse than humans, whereas hobbits and elves had done better -- which explained the general moral level of the civilizations they founded. This could work a lot better, and it does have a very space-opera-y feel to it. Kind of like David Brin's Uplift universe, where the God of Israel is the Progenitors. :) - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:30:36 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: IN> A Tether to Lust Thanks to everyone who said kind things about this, on-list and off. There's a companion piece to this... a Tether of Flowers just off-campus, run by a Cherub and a Construct (a wooden golem, created in medieval Germany, that has somehow survived and made its way to Champaign, IL). One of these days I'll dust it off and post it, too. Meanwhile, I'm going away for a little while... trip outside the country, which will take me offlist. See you all at the end of the month. cheers, Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:18:14 EDT From: Samovar3@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> In Space, Everyone Can Hear The Symphony Scream I had a somewhat amusing/dark thought on the concept of alien species in In Nomine. The celestials (both angels and demons) meet the alien species, ready to sway them in their side of the War. Deciding to work through already established means, they take a look at the alien's place of worship. Wait, that depiction of their diety looks familiar... It's Lucifer. Lucifer's reply to the big uproar is: What, you thought I was just twiddling my thumbs down in the Lower Hells? Sam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:10:10 -0700 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> A Tether to Lust > There's a companion piece to this... a Tether of Flowers just off-campus, > run by a Cherub and a Construct (a wooden golem, created in medieval > Germany, that has somehow survived and made its way to Champaign, IL). One > of these days I'll dust it off and post it, too. Look forward to it! > Meanwhile, I'm going away for a little while... trip outside the country, > which will take me offlist. See you all at the end of the month. Have fun! The Other David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:48:39 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> IN Cover EDG wrote: > I liked the original cover (and the hardbound design) a LOT more than I > like this one. Ditto. > I agree with Jo; I'm glad the feather is back... but for whatever reason, > this cover positively /screams/ "GURPS Book" at me. If a more unified look > throughout their game lines is what SJGames is looking for, then IMO > they've done an admirable job. On the other hand, if I saw this in a > gaming store without having known about the new cover, my first reaction > would be "Hey, I thought they weren't going to expand GURPS: In Nomine." More importantly, it now looks like every other RPG book on the shelves. - -David ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 2000 20:55:16 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> Hi On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 23:52:23 +0100 Omentide wrote: >Logic here, yes. Qabalistic logic, no. Doesn't work. Michael is more or >less the antithesis of alchemical water. I can drop my 'normal' philosophy >to play a game, but Michael, in In Nomine, is about as liquid as a brick >wall. Water yields. It adapts its shape to the shape of what contains >it. Not very Seraph, really. Water is probably a cherub. Hence Blandine. works for me. shows what i get for talking out my arse, too ;) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 21:00:19 GMT From: ben@zianet.com Subject: Re: IN> IN Cover David Edelstein writes: > EDG wrote: > > I liked the original cover (and the hardbound design) a LOT more than I > > like this one. I remember wanting to buy the original for months until my girlfriend bought it as a gift. I had no idea what it was about, all I saw was the upside-down cross and the warning on the back, but I wanted it. I wanted to know what was inside. It was mysterious. This cover is exciting and pretty -- but it looks like a GURPS book. It's attractive, but not the same *kind* of attractive as the originals. And the theme is decidedly different. Whether this is an attempt to be more irreverent or reflect the changes the line has experienced, I don't know, but who decided to make the "Rock & Roll" fragment part of the official sub-title? > More importantly, it now looks like every other RPG book on the shelves. Kinda, yeah. The heavy, tome-like feel of the originals gave them a good, thematic allure. I'll still buy this'n, and I suspect people who *don't* know what In Nomine is will buy it. > -David Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:42:10 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> Habbalated > > I'm gonna have to disagree with you here. Maybe my campaign is just > brighter, but IME Gabriel generally has it in her head to be a good > mother to her children. She's a bit unpredictable but I don't think The strangest and most frightening form of insanity is lucidity. When the frothing murderer pulls his hair out, the players are comfortable. They know he's a loon and know they can plug him. When he gets a clear look in his eyes and starts talking rationally to them, they players are edgy. They need to know why. My Gabriel has begun assuming male form. His words are still cryptic, but he is calm, reserved, and regal. This has my players more disturbed then before; previously, they just laughed when Gabriel set their employers garden on fire. Now, they're worried. Ben ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 2000 22:01:28 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> New Fire Attunements (was re: Habbalated) On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 01:56:36 -0400 Douglas Muir wrote: >>Alex, you're absolutely right about Gabriel's attunements, IMO. It's very >>unfair that her Ofanim and Malakim get cool powers while everyone else >>just gets the duty. > >Yes! Yes, yes, yes. > >I can remember one of my experienced players, having just lost a character, >reading through Gabriel's writeup as he tried to work up a new one. He >wanted to play a Gabrielite, and he wanted to play a Mercurian. But when >he read the Merc of Fire attunement... > >"This isn't an attunement, Doug. It's an extra dissonance condition." i view it as a restriction on what kind of cruelty you gain dissonance from not punishing--i.e., you only have to punish *this kind* of cruelty, and let your fellow angels handle their duties. i agree, though, that it's not a _benefit_ the way many other Attunements are. >>EXPANDED GABRIEL CHOIR ATTUNEMENTS >> >>Note that the text below should be _added_ to the text in the main IN book. [snip] >>CHERUBIM >> Betrayers' skin blisters and itches at the touch of these Cherubim. IF >>they touch such a person and make a Will roll, the betrayer takes the >>check digit in damage each turn of contact; this damaging contact can be >>held for turns equal to the Cherub's Corporeal Forces. If the Will roll is >>failed, the Cherub takes damage equal to the check digit, but may try >>again. This can only be done (successfully) once per person. >Hmm. I like that it's sort of similar to the Djinn of Fire attunement, but >I'm not sure that I like having a Cherub inflict damage with a touch. It's >just not very... Cherubic. "Isn't that the same hand you attune with?" >And using a Will roll... too demonic. agreed. were i creating the Cherubim Attunement of Fire, i'd rule they can inflict up to their total Forces times their Will in hits on a betrayer without causing Disturbance to the Symphony, even if this kills the betrayer. -=|horsefly|=- "It was a different time: a time of blood and guns and killings.... It was a time when killers needed saints, for so much of God's good work was being done." --SAINT OF KILLERS #4, Garth Ennis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:32:22 -0700 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> IN Cover Matt Trent wrote: > What Do You Think? I don't like it. I mean, it's not one of those covers that would make me feel embarassed to own the book, but if this had been the cover of the first printing, I probably never would have bought it (if I had known the game before hand then sure, I would've, but it was IN's cover that first caught my eye and prompted me to leaf through the book). And I think the subtitle is kinda silly. (basically, agree with EDG David E Jo etc.) Cheers, Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:33:16 -0700 From: Steven Feldon Subject: RE: IN> IN Cover Seventeenthed. Not only do I doubt I would have bought the book with this cover, I know for a fact that I won't buy any another copy with this cover. steve - -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Elias [mailto:mikmok@telus.net] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 3:32 PM To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: Re: IN> IN Cover Matt Trent wrote: > What Do You Think? I don't like it. I mean, it's not one of those covers that would make me feel embarassed to own the book, but if this had been the cover of the first printing, I probably never would have bought it (if I had known the game before hand then sure, I would've, but it was IN's cover that first caught my eye and prompted me to leaf through the book). And I think the subtitle is kinda silly. (basically, agree with EDG David E Jo etc.) Cheers, Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:56:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Benjamin Acosta Subject: IN> Aliens in In Nomine (Was Re: In Space ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:19:54 -0500 From: "Kiara S. Legner" Subject: Re: IN> IN Cover Matt Trent wrote: > What Do You Think? Was the *cover* fielded for opinion first? Really... "Rock & Roll"??? I'm underwhelmed. Ki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 16:04:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> I Dunno. "A bloodfeud of Demon Princes" isn't snappy Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 07:10:15 -0500 (CDT)From: Benjamin Acosta Subject: Re: IN> I Dunno. "A bloodfeud of Demon Princes" isn't snappy enough, somehow Maurice Lane wrote: >> Anybody come up with a good name for a gathering of >> DPs? Especially when gathered as a formal group. >Trouble! >Ben, Elohite of Eli >Angel of Neat Ideas Cute (as were the other suggestions by various and sundry), but I was looking for a formal designation. My fault for not being clearer. I mean, these guys must have official meetings and stuff sometimes, right? What's the title on the official letterhead of Hell's ruling oligarchy?* Morgan *Come _on_, they have to have a letterhead and official stationary. Nybbas and Asmodeus would insist. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:09:43 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> I Dunno. "A bloodfeud of Demon Princes" isn't snappy From: "Maurice Lane" > > *Come _on_, they have to have a letterhead and > official stationary. Nybbas and Asmodeus would > insist. I have no idea about that, but I just had a mental image of Furfur getting his Haballah to join the Hell's Angels. I don't know about anybody else, but it amuses me... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 18:16:43 -0500 From: Matt Trent Subject: Re: IN> I Dunno. "A bloodfeud of Demon Princes" isn't snappy Maurice Lane wrote: > Cute (as were the other suggestions by various and > sundry), but I was looking for a formal designation. > My fault for not being clearer. > > I mean, these guys must have official meetings and > stuff sometimes, right? What's the title on the > official letterhead of Hell's ruling oligarchy?* IMC it's The Court of The Lightbringer Matt Trent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 11:26:41 NZST From: "Alex Liddell" Subject: IN> Dominic Justify Dominic. His entire existance is Judgement. Over all beings in creation. Just from that little vignette in TFT it seems as though Dominic boarders on Hubris. Extreme hubris. To the point of placing his OWN Judgement over God's. Alex ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:31:32 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Dominic From: "Alex Liddell" > Justify Dominic. > > His entire existance is Judgement. Over all beings in creation. Which is the job that God gave him, yes. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 20:16:34 -0700 From: Rolland Therrien Subject: Re: IN> Dominic - -----Original Message----- From: Alex Liddell To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Friday, August 04, 2000 4:32 PM Subject: IN> Dominic >Justify Dominic. Gladly. He's actually one of my favorite Archangels. >His entire existance is Judgement. Over all beings in creation. Yep. That's the job God gave him. The dirtiest job in all of Heaven, actually. He runs Heaven's Internal Affairs division. That pretty much covers what he does and what everyone thinks of him. He's the guy who keeps an eye on everyone in Heaven, to make sure something like the Fall never happens in Heaven again. He's the guy who makes sure every potential new Demon gets spotted and treated before he falls. >Just from that little vignette in TFT it seems as though Dominic boarders on >Hubris. Extreme hubris. To the point of placing his OWN Judgement over >God's. I don't think Dominic suffers from Hubris. He doesn't consider his judgement absolute. The trial he ran against Michael ended with a dismissal because God ordered him to do so. Dom himself holds no grudge, either. Michael's the one with the Grudge, judging from the main book. I think Dom's major problem isn't Hubris, but the risk of disillusionment. Dominic believes in a Symphony where everyone follows the rules and where disonnance is mostly the result of small misunderstandings. Every new Angel who falls or goes Rebel is an Angel who prooves that belief wrong. Dominic doesn't WANT to find those discordant angels. But if he doesn't do it, no one will, and the last time a discordant Angel ran amok in Heaven, it caused the Fall. Also remember Dominic's story of the Rebellion: Lucifer came up to him and tempted him to join into the Rebellion. Dominic almost joined. Almost. Dominic knows no one is perfect. He knows no one is completly capable of controlling themselves. He knows he almost chose the wrong side. So he knows that other Archangels are just as vulnerable as he is to temptation. That's why he's ready to bring the Divine Inquisition down on anyone who seems, to his eyes, as Discordant or ready to fall. He came down on Michael because Mike seemed too proud, too arrogant... Like Lucifer was. He came down on Gabriel because she (or he, at the time) had, at Yves' request, upset the balance of religious belief on earth, unwittingly serving the words of Faction at the same time. And now he's ready to come down on Eli because he seems to have deserted Heaven. Dominic's got a dirty job. The Dirtiest job in all of Heaven: He's their conscience. He's the one who reminds them, whether they like it or not, what happened the last time someone put his or her personal agenda ahead of Heaven's work. Lucifer started the Rebellion on his watch and dragged a third of the host down to Hell with him. With God as his witness, No-one else is gonna do that on his watch ever again. That's why I like Dominic. He's Got a thankless job, but doesn't bitch about it. He just does his job, regardless of what others think of him. That's why I think Dominic will never fall. He's one of the more selfless Celestials in Heaven, putting his word and duty ahead of everything else. No matter how many Celestials hate him for it, Dominic will never abandon his duty. And that's one of Heaven's strengths. As long as Dominic is there, Heaven will not know another Rebellion. - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 01:39:52 +0100 From: "Liam Astley" Subject: IN> nybbas' latest project i've been out of circulation for a bit so i don't know if someone else has already mentioned this site http://www.e-sheep.com/apocamon/apocadex/ be afraid, be very afraid... liam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 18:25:29 -0700 From: Laura Davidson Subject: RE: IN> IN Cover I find myself agreeing - I don't really like this one. It looks a bit garish, and very GURPS-like and generic. I might have bought it, because I like GURPS and I flip through lots of things, but I also might not have. It just doesn't have the lovely *feel* the core book has had, both hardcover and softcover, before; I'm glad I got one before they changed the look. There was something very right (to my mind, anyway) about the stark/simple look of the core book, before. - -Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:18:32 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> New Principality: Haagenti's Tummy One too many times working as the Elk's club's dishwasher has an effect on one's imagination. Haagenti's tummy is one of the great mysteries of Hell; how much can the Prince of Gluttony eat before he's satisfied is the common question. The answer may yet never be answered because Lucifer and Haagenti have a secret that's so bizzare and well kept that even Haagenti doesn't know it. When Haagenti devoured Meserach and Mariel for his current power level, Lucifer awarded him a princeship, but it wasn't the princeship of the he currently holds territory in Shal-Mari's resturant district. The truth is that Haagenti's intestinal region is a principality to and of itself! The Princepality's Composition Haagenti's stomach(s), large intenstine, small intenstine, and....yes his bowel regions are all part of Haagenti's stomach and travelling through the various regions is extremely treacherous. Actual escape is believed to be currently impossible because of the small intestine's ability to break up even the strongest force'd demon, the bowell region...errr well no demon can survive the smell it's believed, and making Haagenti sick enough to hurl up his prisoners is now only tried by new prisoners. With what Haagenti regularly eats; upsetting his stomach is a daunting task plus Haagenti is perfectly willing to down some acid like Vapula-PismolTM (pink and lethal) should anyone try a direct assault on his insides. The Inhabitants of the Principality Mariel and Meserach are both alive and...unwell down here in Haagenti's tummy and neither are particularly happy about their fates inside the region. While Meserach being the Word of Sloth is more or less resigned to his fate (he kind of has to be), his fellow revenant Mariel continually is plotting a way to destroy Haagenti for this outrage and somehow regain what she has lost....which she isn't quite sure what it is but from what she's heard from fellow prisoners....it's big and good. Meserach currently rules as the godlike leader of a slothful group of inhabitants content to salvage whatever Haagenti sends their way for their own decadent use and occasionally (very rarely but occasionally) attack someone for what they want on an island in Haagenti's stomach acid ocean. Mariel controls her own island that regularly is engauged in experiments to torment Haagenti and she attempts to enforce order by drowning souls in soul-destroying acid while building an army from what weapons and warriors she can recruit down here. Another notable inhabitant of the bizzare region is the Demon of Junk which was a servitor of gluttony who REALLY displeased Haagenti (so the Prince swallowed him whole). Living in one of Haagenti's more hospitable stomaches, the demon is a royal packrat who makes it a living to grab as much of the weird things Haagenti swallows for his own use. Among the odd things currently accumulated by the demon that have yet to become Haagenti's fat include one of Laurence's Swords, A tactical nuclear warhead, Jimi Hendrix's guitar, one of the orginal copies of the Book of Lucifer, and what the Demon of Junk claims to be the Holy Grail but instead might be the infernal equivalent Haagenti took communion with too seriously. The damned mostly arrive when Haagenti has a sitting at Shal-Mari with souls who tick him off but a number are Gluttoneous souls which arrive that Haagenti has never kept track of. How they arrive is a matter of conjecture but some cults speak of portals somewhere about here...however that may be just conjecture. The forces actually loyal to Haagenti who collect the essence down here (mostly by pulling souls from the stomach acid or you know in the bowls or the ripping sharps of the small intenstine) are Habbalah which believe they are in the stomach of God and Imps which turn into bands of digestion based demons which are not seen anywhere else in Hell. Adventure Ideas * Haagenti eats one of the players; they want to get out. Nuff said. * Kobal or Laurence wants this bizzare rumoured realm investigated so Haagenti is arranged to be drugged for a bizzare spelunking expedition to either compile a full report on the place or retrieve a specific soul/object/celestial. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 23:29:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: Fw: IN> New Fire Attunements (was re: Habbalated) > >>EXPANDED GABRIEL CHOIR ATTUNEMENTS > > > >>CHERUBIM > >> Betrayers' skin blisters and itches at the touch of these Cherubim. IF > >>they touch such a person and make a Will roll, the betrayer takes the > >>check digit in damage each turn of contact; this damaging contact can be > >>held for turns equal to the Cherub's Corporeal Forces. If the Will roll is > >>failed, the Cherub takes damage equal to the check digit, but may try > >>again. This can only be done (successfully) once per person. > > > >Hmm. I like that it's sort of similar to the Djinn of Fire attunement, but > >I'm not sure that I like having a Cherub inflict damage with a touch. It's > >just not very... Cherubic. "Isn't that the same hand you attune with?" > >And using a Will roll... too demonic. Kyrios use Will, so I disagree there. And the Cherubim can ONLY use their attunement to harm their 'targets'... those who betray people. It just makes it a bit easier. > >Very good overall. I wish there'd been something like this in the S3 > >Gabriel writeup. No one asked me. :) - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! Want to hold up a bank in Latin? "Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam." (I have a catapult. Give me all the money, or I will fling an enormous rock at your head." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 22:32:23 -0500 From: Matt Trent Subject: Re: IN> Dominic Alex Liddell wrote: > > Justify Dominic. He's a Blaspherah But you didn't hear that from me. Matt Trent ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 2000 20:38:08 -0700 From: Casca Subject: IN> And Jordi Weeps.... For a possible adventure seed, go to http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/tiger_deaths000802.html. What I want to know is, why are they feeding the animals cow meat, when India is Hindu and cows are sacred? - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:30:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: IN> "Plundering the Bible" WONDERFUL stuff, Earl. Thank you for doing all my work for me. :) I gave it a 5. This sort of stuff is what I can *use* in my games. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "People love to be told what to do. They love not doing what they've been told even more. They love it the most when they are made to do it anyway." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 22:54:48 -0500 From: Matt Trent Subject: Re: IN> And Jordi Weeps.... Casca wrote: > > For a possible adventure seed, go to http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/tiger_deaths000802.html. > > What I want to know is, why are they feeding the animals cow meat, when India is Hindu and cows are sacred? Note that the zoo workers didn't admit feeding 'm cow meat. Looks like a lot of politics and confusion for some concerned Jordian to call in your Celestial Troubleshooting Squad (also know as the PCs). Matt Trent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 23:12:24 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> mundane character sheet At 1:28 AM -0500 08/04/00, Matt Trent wrote: > [...] and enjoy that great Char sheets that our very own Tafka J. made*. > * All Hail the great Tafka J! Creator of Character Sheets and Kind > enough to share! Hip Hip Hooray! Uhmn. . . Okay. *shrug* T'was nothing really. I just saw a _NEED_ and a I fulfilled that _NEED_. (I'll come collect later. . .) > Ohhh. Superior Specific Char Sheets. Nifty. And, I repeat once again, there will be _NO_ Specific Choir/Band sheets for each Superior. Even I, who claim to have little in the way of sanity to begin with, am not _that_ crazy. No matter _how_ much you beg, plead or bribe me*. (* Though, you know, I _could_ use a _brand-new_ copy of the IPG. . .) Now, before you spread anymore praise my way. . . I might take a moment to add that you should really direct that to the true unsung heroes of In Nomine. The Artists, Authors, Editors and miscellaneous support crew (who often hang in their own little nutshell };;;>). I'm an innocent bystander in all of this, really. (Too be honest, it wasn't that _hard_ to put them together. Most of the ideas are from previous folk who came up with their own designs -- I'm just the most prolific with them. Some of you also know the legal reasons why I couldn't house them on my own site, so I'll try to not repeat myself any more than I already am. If, such a need arises, you want to hear my sorrid rant [and you know that's what it'll degrade into] on the affair, feel free to drop me a private line and we'll chat. Otherwise, sit back and enjoy them.) Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = tafkaj@thrifty.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 23:29:12 -0500 From: Andrew Hackard Subject: Re: IN> IN Cover At 09:00 PM 04/08/00 +0000, ben@zianet.com wrote: >irreverent or reflect the changes the line has experienced, I don't know, >but who decided to make the "Rock & Roll" fragment part of the official >sub-title? Actually, the "Good & Evil | Life & Death | Rock & Roll" line appears in the very first retailer marketing materials for In Nomine, predating the book itself. It's not new by any means. Several taglines were floated, and this one was chosen. >I'll still buy this'n, and I suspect people who *don't* know what In >Nomine >is will buy it. To be completely honest, that's the important thing. In Nomine can't grow if SJ Games just caters to the existing (and dwindling) fan base, and doesn't draw in new gamers. Does that mean your opinion is unimportant? No, it doesn't. But it means that, in addition to the current fan base, SJ Games will need to find ways to appeal to the folks who aren't already familiar with the game; a striking cover is one of the best ways to do that. (Another is to have current fans running store demos of the game -- word of mouth is a powerful tool.) Christopher Shy is well-known to fans of other game companies, and his work is well-respected in the industry. I'm extremely pleased to have him on our team, and I think the work he's done so far has been outstanding. And I agree with Ben -- his IN covers *will* draw people to the books who might not otherwise have taken a second glance at the game, and that *has* to be good. - -- "People are stupider than anybody." | hackard@io.com -- Tom Lehrer | AIM: Talthybias | ICQ: 19083015 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:52:17 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: IN> Maybe slightly off-topic..... Not really In Nomine, but sort of biblical..... http://www.brunching.com/ratings/rate-plagues1.html and..... http://www.brunching.com/ratings/rate-plagues2.html Reverend Brian A. Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 22:58:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> In Space, Everyone Can Hear The Symphony Scream Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:17:46 -0500From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> In Space, Everyone Can Hear The Symphony Scream Guy Royse wrote: >> One could always just say that the aliens always >> were in Heaven and Hell and nobody really noticed. >> Or that they were always there and it simply hasn't >> been commented on in the canon. And presumably >> alien Saints are concerned with their own worlds, >> not with Earth. Or at least only come down in >> human vessels. >> Another thing that could be interesting, now that I >> think of it, is that aliens are souless, godless >> creatures. >An old science fiction novel by James Blish, "A Case >of Conscience," deals with precisely this idea. >Earl Funny. That was one of the first books I thought of when I started thinking about this idea. Good book, but not quite what I'm aiming at. OTOH, I don't want to do something like Twain's story about a sea captain visiting Heaven (lots of aliens, all of whom have their own section of Heaven, which frankly is much larger than that of humanity's*): I don't want to warp stuff too much. The poor saps I'm thinking of recruiting may actually want to play a more normal IN game someday. :) Moe *Now that I think of it, that story uses an awful lot of SF cliches, decades before their time. That's ... disturbing. Perhaps Twain was a Soldier of Lightning? :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 06:02:44 GMT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> IN Cover Actually, I liked the 'rock and roll' bit. At least it gets the idea across that it isn't a darkly angstful game! jo >From: "Kiara S. Legner" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: >Subject: Re: IN> IN Cover >Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 17:19:54 -0500 > > > > >Matt Trent wrote: > > What Do You Think? > >Was the *cover* fielded for opinion first? > >Really... "Rock & Roll"??? > >I'm underwhelmed. > >Ki > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:20:09 -0700 From: "Robb-Escue" Subject: IN> Great Books Hi Guys! Just wanted to tell you about two (related) books I have been reading. Both of them deal with the devil, god, angels, and the world at large. The two books are both by James Morrow. The first book is Towing Jehovah touches on the vatican hiring a oil tanker captain to tow the body of god to it tome in the artic. Although this book doesn't deal a lot with angels, they are in the beginning of the book. You get introduced to a dying angel, and meet the Arch-Angel Michael. This book is great satire and very interesting (at least if your tastes are like mine). The next book, Blameless in Abaddon, is the better of the two (in my opinion). This book is told from the point of view of the devil (who lives in gods head). It is the story of Martin Candle (a Job like character), a local judge who decides to sue god for all of the pain and suffering he has caused the human race. This might not be for the really religious people, as it is kind of cutting. Anyone who can maintain their faith and a sense of humor at the same time should like it. A friend at the local gaming store told me about these books. I'm glad he did. They were not in the local book stores, but they did not have any trouble ordering them. I think they are good books, that are related to the game in a way. They might prove a great place to jump start your imagination for session or campaign ideas. Hope you like them. Robb P.S.: I subscribe to a few other list. On some of the lists, the listers are very hostile to each other. I like this list because generally you guys keep a civilized attitude towards each other. Thanks Guys! It gets depressing reading flame mail. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 11:00:58 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> And Jordi Weeps.... Casca wrote: > What I want to know is, why are they feeding the animals cow meat, when India is Hindu and cows are sacred? First, not all Indians are Hindus. Second, cows being sacred may mean _humans_ aren't supposed to eat them, but they probably accept that it's natural for tigers to do so. - -David ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1758 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.