From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Aug 8 10:57:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA17475 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:57:14 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id KAA02972 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:54:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 10:54:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200008081554.KAA02972@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1763 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, August 8 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1763 In this digest: RE: IN> Elohite Archangels (was Faith and the Sword) Re: IN> Elohite Archangels (was Faith and the Sword) Re: IN> Re: In Space, Everyone can still hear you disturb the Symphony... Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... IN> Paganism in In Nomine IN> My opinion on Jean (was Elohite Archangels) Re: IN> Weird Campaign lvl Artifact Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... Re: IN> Novalis Servitor attunement question Re: IN> Great Books Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... Re:IN> Expanded Fire Attunements (somewhat long) Re: IN> Great Books Re: IN> Great Books Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... Re: IN> Paganism in In Nomine Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... Re: IN> Khalid and Laurence Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... Re: IN> Weird Campaign lvl Artifact Re: IN> Weird Campaign lvl Artifact Re: IN> Weird Campaign lvl Artifact Re: IN> Weird Campaign lvl Artifact Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... Re: IN> Gen Con Re: IN> Great Books Re: IN> Weird Campaign lvl Artifact IN> New Campaign - and questions from my players IN> Laurencemon and LeviathanTwo... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:53:23 +1000 From: "Leath Sheales" Subject: RE: IN> Elohite Archangels (was Faith and the Sword) William wrote: > "Well then, what *would* a good Word for an Elohite Archangel be?" Ah, but my argument isn't that the Words are necessarily bad for Elohite Archangels, just that the presentation of them is flawed. I could easily see Jean as a dispasionate Archangel of Lightning, opposing infernal technologies, but not instantly deciding that most of the things humans come up with are infernally inspired. Likewise I could see Khalid supporting all divine Faiths impartially, allowing his servitors to do so and not disliking Laurence's appointment to commander, despite the fact that God did it. Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 21:46:58 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Elohite Archangels (was Faith and the Sword) - --On Monday, August 7, 2000 7:55 PM +0100 Omentide wrote: > At 13:46 07/08/00 -0400, you wrote: >> Humph! >> > > I trust that was an objective statement... > Completely. =) Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Why does NOBODY think we have compassion, or a sense of humor, aye?") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:47:15 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Re: In Space, Everyone can still hear you disturb the Symphony... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 8:39 PM Subject: IN> Re: In Space, Everyone can still hear you disturb the Symphony... > *If you think Larry would be perturbed by Miles, > imagine Mike dealing with Cordelia... :) Whaddya mean? Mike's been dealing with Cordelia for the past 100 million years. Cordelia is *obviously* one of Novalis's Vessels... *eg* - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:47:50 -0700 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... > Casca wrote: > > By the by, I'm completely okay with posing for the follow-up "Studs of Gaming." I'm told I look fabulous in a posing pouch... ;) > > > What the heck is a "posing pouch"? You sit in a kangaroo and say > "cheese"? If you have to ask, you're too young to know... The Other David ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 2000 18:55:04 -0700 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... On Mon, 07 August 2000, David Edelstein wrote: > What the heck is a "posing pouch"? You sit in a kangaroo and say > "cheese"? No. If I did that, I might have a chance to retainin some dignity. It's far, FAR worse. If you truly want to know, I'll tell you privately. God knows the list has put up with enough abuse from me already.... - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:24:18 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Paganism in In Nomine >Exactly. A few times since our group started playing In Nomine, I had to >point out to a few players that they can't always map their own feelings >about 'alternative' (hate that term; can't think of a better one right >now) religions onto their angelic characters. One player was talking about >how his angel of DOMINIC was into paganism, and I had to tell him, "Sorry, >but while you might not have any beef with paganism, your CHARACTER really >shouldn't be supporting it if she's pro-Heaven. Paganism is anti-Heaven, >as it supports the Ethereals and sucks away Heaven's essence. Doesn't mean >you have to attack pagans, or even try to bring down pagan shrines and >such, but you really shouldn't support it if you're serving Judgment." True as frankly it's hard to justify Pagan belief when you *KNOW* you are fighting for an omnipotent good god against a host of ancient and evil darkness while the pagan spirits FOR THE MOST PART are unwise, frequently spiteful, and annoying greedy entities. HOWEVER...I do have the beef with the idea that many people point out on Heaven's trouble with paganism.... My interpretations is alittle more broad as while most Angels realize that Christianity, Islam, and Judaism is more correct....they do have a different point to note with most pagan religeons... For instance Michael, Novalis, Eli, Blandine, Yves, and even Gabrielle in my mind have an acknowledgement of the merits of paganism for vastly different reasons (Michael: Mithras's warrior cults created honorable good men fighting demons, Novalis: Okay I don't support paganism alright...WICCA however reaches to people disenchanted with mainstream dogma and inspires them to seek mysteries, Eli: Oh hey dude, is this your sandwhich? May I...well the way I see it is that we roll with the punches and make what progress we can were we can, Blandine: Through pagan imagery we can help humanity percieve higher spiritual planes, Yves just says: All has it's part to play, and Gabriel: I inspire where I can) Even Dominic *AND URIEL* are legistical but they admired Rome for moving towards Heavenly ethics even under it's essence suckers. The other angels have vastly different opinions in my mind though most of the rest toe the party line (with Jordi sympathetic to Garm and the other animal deities while hunting down murderously the human-o-centric ones with fearsome nastiness) A angel in my mind is out to inspire truth and while ALWAYS he wants the revealed religeons which are closer to the truth used when he can, I see that most prefer a honest pagan to a hell bound fundamentalist any day...after all it doesn't effect where they go. For that Wiccan serving Khalid I simply say this: NOW YOU KNOW HOW KHALID FELT. Serving Islam under Uriel in secret...If you play that "Holiest man in the world" adventure in the back of the book and can give him faith in Wicca while others fail...Khalid will look at it in a whole different light. Not approving but willing to tolerate. Any person who believes that change comes rapid to ANY religeon without work is a fool. Forgive me. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 22:45:21 -0700 From: Rolland Therrien Subject: IN> My opinion on Jean (was Elohite Archangels) - -----Original Message----- From: Leath Sheales To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Monday, August 07, 2000 6:49 PM Subject: RE: IN> Elohite Archangels (was Faith and the Sword) >William wrote: > >> "Well then, what *would* a good Word for an Elohite Archangel be?" > >Ah, but my argument isn't that the Words are necessarily bad for Elohite >Archangels, just that the presentation of them is flawed. I could easily >see Jean as a dispasionate Archangel of Lightning, opposing infernal >technologies, but not instantly deciding that most of the things humans come >up with are infernally inspired. Likewise I could see Khalid supporting all >divine Faiths impartially, allowing his servitors to do so and not disliking >Laurence's appointment to commander, despite the fact that God did it. I don't think Jean has a problem with Humanity developping technology on their own. He has a problem with Humanity advancing too far too soon. Look at how many of our world's technological developments caused contraversy when they were built. Cloning, to be relevent, is a clear exemple of Vapula pushing humanity too far too soon. The moment Dolly was born, humanity was already divided as to what to do with it. That doesn't mean that Jean wants us Humans to dwell in caves and not progress. He just wants to make sure we don't gain toys we're not old enough to understand yet. Take the Internet: It' clearly a development of Jean's technological divisions. It's had slightly mixed results, but overall the recent development of International communications technology has helped make the world one global village, facilitating teaching, global understanding, information exchange, and easy, worldwide one-on-one trading. Overall, the Internet has helped Christopher, Novalis, Litheroy and Marc more then it has helped Hell (Though Andrealphus, Malphas and Nybbas all try to spread their influence over the Net.) Jean's poor opinion of us Humans is probably just the attitude of a stern parent towards a child who, in his opinion, is constantly spending his time playing in the workshop full of power tools, and getting into accidents. He may grumble about us being trouble makers when he fixes the damage, but overall he just wants us to learn how to be careful around this stuff, and really hates it when Vapula is just encouraging us to mess around with some new tool he's developped, without even making sure it's safe for us to use. - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 22:46:32 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: Re: IN> Weird Campaign lvl Artifact > First, congrats on coming up with a truly unique and twisted artifact >(whatever you've been using, share!). Thank you Thank you. Truth be told I owe this to musings on... * Eli actually being an unparrelled genius instead of the happy go lucky fratboy he projects (then again many genius's have odd habits). * The Rocky Horror Picture show Mansion (along with other B movie mansions I once parrodied in a game involving a crazy scientist and his traps) * What way would REALLY mess with the Celestial heirachy and be worth 100 years of Eli tinkering. >As to the use of the Apocalypse Globe in a campaign, this thing is >far too powerful to even let PC's find out about -- if it really >exists. However, spreading *rumors* about such a device and watching >the chaos that ensue is right up Kobal's alley -- and Eli might even >cooperate just to see what creative methods Heaven comes up with for >dealing with the problem. heheh yes about the only game that could be played around it would be the PCs discovering gradually what few servitors Eli has puttering about getting him god knows what, then if they discover something truly damning have him use that artifact from Fall of the Malakim (or the equivalent) to shatter their hearts and sick dominic on their backs for a time, blamming Kobal...culminating in the final defeat/rescue adventure! Another idea was to make it a high level PC campaign hook where the PCs accidentally get trapped in the mansion with the Superiors (somehow posessing the key that offsets Eli and Kobal's carefully planned calculations) and frankly amusingly being the only ones not weighed down with a billion years of discord and anger to get people cracking (worse no one can smite them because ALL the superiors are there to argue about it-it might be even more funny if the superiors are now all but human!). Throw in a couple of humans who accidentally wandered in to use the phone and you've got the recipe for a hilarious off the wall adventure. Funny it works best in my mind probably as an Ethereal, Soldier, Renegade/Outcast/Revenant game. Truly this would seriously mess with Dominic's head if he heard a rumor about something like this investigate. Also the artifact becomes a bit more manegable and interesting if toned down (maybe Eli's been working on it as a SIDE-prodject for 20 or so years) if it only imprisons one major level superior and he wants the PCs to help in the final checkout of it....Beleth, Belial, etc. Of course this opens the whole idea in my mind about Lucifer being imprisoned for 1000 years and Eli's Apcolypse globe being made for ONE *VERY* special person. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:21:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner-Thornber Subject: Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... > Cool! And a pic of Em, too! Now all you need are pics of Jo and Maya, > and I'll have a complete collection! You could have gotten a picture of me at _any time_, since it's on my home page. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emily K. Dresner-Thornber -- http://www.nodonut.com/zenith "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:22:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner-Thornber Subject: Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... > Assuming that Emily and Beth leave enough pieces of you intact that they can > locate and bury you, David, what sort of flowers would you like placed upon > your grave? ;;;) > Huh? - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emily K. Dresner-Thornber -- http://www.nodonut.com/zenith "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 2000 20:29:56 -0700 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Novalis Servitor attunement question On Mon, 07 August 2000, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > Oooo, eerie thought -- let it work for even dead plant matter; give > to a Malakite of Flowers; insert PC demons into the everything-dead > greenhouse (like in _Uninvited_, IIRC). Let them wonder if the Virtue's > decided they've given him/her No Other Choice... Two words: Ghillie suit. - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:12:31 -0700 From: "Robb-Escue" Subject: Re: IN> Great Books > Greetings. > I read a series of comics a few months ago called "Proposition Player" by > DC/Vertigo. > Shadowcat If you like comic books more than novels, try the Demon comic books. He was a reappearing character in other comics (Batman, etc.), then he got his own series. The premise is a demon was released in the age of King Author and merlin bound him to a peasant to save the land. The peasant can't die, and can let the demon out when he has to, but then the demon is free until a considerable amount of time (and damage) has passed. The peasant (Johnathan Blood) is now in the modern world. The first 10 or so comic in his series deal with him and the demon in hell. While Johnathan is trying to get out of hell, the demon is trying to take over. You get to see just how evil hell is. Great imagery! You also get to see many demon princes (Lucifer, Baal - the demons father, merlin - he's a good demon, Abaddon, etc.). The demon (Etigran) always speaks in rhyme, which I think is kewl. These are definitely worth the nomey and time, and should be easy to find at a local comic shop. They should be inexpensive. They are full of great plots and campaign threads for In Nomine, as well as great character references for demons. Got players who like both sides of the war? How about a weak good character with a powerful evil demon inside? When should he let it out? When will that serve the cause of good? Great role-playing opportunities! A character like that would have friends and enemies on both side of the war. Robb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:25:19 -0700 From: "Robb-Escue" Subject: Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... Nice picture. It's good to put faces to names. Congrats on the wedding. From what I read he's a lucky guy. A good a happy life to you both. Oh, and 'Liz, great outfit. You really are an angel. Robb > You could have gotten a picture of me at _any time_, since it's on my home page. > > Emily K. Dresner-Thornber -- http://www.nodonut.com/zenith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 00:41:14 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... From: "Emily Dresner-Thornber" > > > Assuming that Emily and Beth leave enough pieces of you intact that they can > > locate and bury you, David, what sort of flowers would you like placed upon > > your grave? ;;;) > > Huh? David was making the sort of comment that, in anime, typically results in one or more female characters whipping out the big-ass mallets. ;) ------------------------------ Date: 8 Aug 2000 05:37:48 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re:IN> Expanded Fire Attunements (somewhat long) On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:41:47 Michael Walton wrote: > Greetings from the Dark Side... [snip] >Cherubim: If they use their Resonance on a subject, they do not incur >Dissonance for harming that person. woohoo, you incorporated what i said! =) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:09:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin P Meares Subject: Re: IN> Great Books - --0-1804289383-965714944=:14927 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good books on angels and demons for IN. Hmmm well theres a few obvious ones. Paradise Lost, Christopher Marlowe's Dr Faustus both give detailed portrayels of a number of demons and some ways of looking at them. One of the basic theological errors IN makes that might be worth considering is raised in Faustus. To most theologans Hell is not simply a place it is more than any thing else a state of mind. To put it in IN terms its seperation from God(the symphony) or at least a severing of most of the connection we have. IE demons can not hear the symphony unlike angels for more or less this reason. Some less obvious ones would be The Screwtape leters, Sandman(in particular Season of Mists which raises an interesting question what would happen if Satan decided to retire), The demonologist, ghost hunters, werewolf(by Ed and Louraine Warren), Hostage to the Devil, and diary of an exorcist(these last couple are written by real demonologists and if nothing else give some insigh! ts into running npc shedim and how an exorcist might go about his business in game), complete idiots guide to angels, Manual on Exorcism Diary of an exorcist(the guy is off his rocker but if you ever needed inspiration for words demons might have you might find it worth the money beyond that it has a fairly detailed list of biblical refferences for those who are not christian that could also be helpful). Well thats about all I can think of off hand some of it isn't as imediatly applicable but it can give you some ideas. Robb-Escue wrote: > Greetings. > I read a series of comics a few months ago called "Proposition Player" by > DC/Vertigo. > Shadowcat If you like comic books more than novels, try the Demon comic books. He was a reappearing character in other comics (Batman, etc.), then he got his own series. The premise is a demon was released in the age of King Author and merlin bound him to a peasant to save the land. The peasant can't die, and can let the demon out when he has to, but then the demon is free until a considerable amount of time (and damage) has passed. The peasant (Johnathan Blood) is now in the modern world. The first 10 or so comic in his series deal with him and the demon in hell. While Johnathan is trying to get out of hell, the demon is trying to take over. You get to see just how evil hell is. Great imagery! You also get to see many demon princes (Lucifer, Baal - the demons father, merlin - he's a good demon, Abaddon, etc.). The demon (Etigran) always speaks in rhyme, which I think is kewl. These are definitely worth the nomey and time, and should be easy to find at a local comic shop. They should be inexpensive. They are full of great plots and campaign threads for In Nomine, as well as great character references for demons. Got players who like both sides of the war? How about a weak good character with a powerful evil demon inside? When should he let it out? When will that serve the cause of good? Great role-playing opportunities! A character like that would have friends and enemies on both side of the war. Robb http://the_master_2.tripod.com/mywebpage/ my home page(under construction) http://www.demonologyresearch.com the web site of the dvdr that I am a member of Love seeketh not Itself to please, Nor for itself hath any care; But for another gives its ease, And builds a Heaven in Hell's despair. William Blake The Clod and the Pebble - --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? 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Good books on angels and demons for IN.  Hmmm well theres a few obvious ones.  Paradise Lost, Christopher Marlowe's Dr Faustus both give detailed portrayels of a number of demons and some ways of looking at them.  One of the basic theological errors IN makes that might be worth considering is raised in Faustus.  To most theologans Hell is not simply a place it is more than any thing else a state of mind.  To put it in IN terms its seperation from God(the symphony) or at least a severing of most of the connection we have.  IE demons can not hear the symphony unlike angels for more or less this reason.  Some less obvious ones would be The Screwtape leters, Sandman(in particular Season of Mists which raises an interesting question what would happen if Satan decided to retire), The demonologist, ghost hunters, werewolf(by Ed and Louraine Warren), Hostage to the Devil, and diary of an exorcist(these last couple are written by real demonologist! s and if nothing else give some insights into running npc shedim and how an exorcist might go about his business in game), complete idiots guide to angels, Manual on Exorcism Diary of an exorcist(the guy is off his rocker but if you ever needed inspiration for words demons might have you might find it worth the money beyond that it has a fairly detailed list of biblical refferences for those who are not christian that could also be helpful).  Well thats about all I can think of off hand some of it isn't as imediatly applicable but it can give you some ideas.

  Robb-Escue <Robb-Escue@email.msn.com> wrote:

> Greetings.

> I read a series of comics a few months ago called "Proposition Player" by
> DC/Vertigo.

> Shadowcat

If you like comic books more than novels, try the Demon comic books. He
was a reappearing character in other comics (Batman, etc.), then he got his
own series. The premise is a demon was released in the age of King Author
and merlin bound him to a peasant to save the land. The peasant can't die,
and can let the demon out when he has to, but then the demon is free until a
considerable amount of time (and damage) has passed. The peasant (Johnathan
Blood) is now in the modern world. The first 10 or so comic in his series
deal with him and the demon in hell. While Johnathan is trying to get out of
hell, the demon is trying to take over. You get to see just how evil hell
is. Great imagery! You also get to see many demon ! princes (Lucifer, Baal -
the demons father, merlin - he's a good demon, Abaddon, etc.). The demon
(Etigran) always speaks in rhyme, which I think is kewl. These are
definitely worth the nomey and time, and should be easy to find at a local
comic shop. They should be inexpensive. They are full of great plots and
campaign threads for In Nomine, as well as great character references for
demons. Got players who like both sides of the war? How about a weak good
character with a powerful evil demon inside? When should he let it out? When
will that serve the cause of good? Great role-playing opportunities! A
character like that would have friends and enemies on both side of the war.

Robb



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http://www.demonologyresearch.com the web site of the dvdr that I am a member of

Love seeketh not Itself to please, Nor for itself hath any care; But for another gives its ease, And builds a Heaven in Hell's despair. William Blake The Clod and the Pebble

 


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Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. - --0-1804289383-965714944=:14927-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 03:10:39 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Great Books In a message dated 8/7/00 11:25:30 AM Central Daylight Time, shadowcat@nomad.net writes: << Greetings. I read a series of comics a few months ago called "Proposition Player" by DC/Vertigo. It deals with a gambler who buys the souls of his friends fro a beer each and the efforts of Heaven and Hell to get them back. Though not straight line In Nomine, it gives a good view that not all demons are to bad, and not all angels are good two shoes. The representation of Michael, is disturbing, he may be even more of an SOB then in a cannon game. I don't know if there has been a Graphic novel put out of it, but the final issue is dated May 2000, so it shouldn't be too hard to find. Shadowcat >> I read that! Amusing as hell! But then Vertigo is always good for that sort of thing. Sandman, Preacher, etc. I am currently reading the Lucifer series. Intruiging. Reverend Brian A. Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 03:44:17 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... In a message dated 8/7/00 3:42:17 PM Central Daylight Time, graveyardgreg@netzero.net writes: << http://woundsunlimited.com/issue4/pages/beth.html If she's a Demon Princess, I've been fighting for the wrong side. Nice pic, Beth :) >> Wow, Beth! I didn't know you were cute!!! All I've ever seen was a darkly lit pic on your Real McCoy page! Reverend Brian A. Rogers! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 07:30:04 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Paganism in In Nomine - --On Monday, August 7, 2000 10:24 PM -0400 Charles Phipps wrote: > Novalis: Okay I don't support paganism alright...WICCA > however reaches to people disenchanted with mainstream dogma and > inspires them to seek mysteries, This has to be the broadest definition of "mysteries" I've ever seen. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 07:00:47 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... David Rodemaker wrote: > If you have to ask, you're too young to know... Yeah, young and innocent, that's me. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 07:04:17 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... Prodigal wrote: > David was making the sort of comment that, in anime, typically results in> one or more female characters whipping out the big-ass mallets. ;) Good thing I'm not an anime character, huh? - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 05:47:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Khalid and Laurence - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > Khalid now is a beutiful piece of work and I believe no more > offensive than > Laurence being the Patron of Christianity and yet being the word of a > weapon > (something extremerely hypocritical and disgusting until one realizes > that a > sword buried upside down harming no one...is a cross). > > When Laurence's crucible is over I see him as a follower of the > orginal > Christian tenants abandoning the war for more teaching. Bravo, Charles. This is one of the most balanced and well-though-out pieces on Khalid and Laurence that I've ever read. o:::> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "And on the 8th day God created gamers, and he looked down from Heaven and said, 'It is... well... uh...'" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 05:51:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... - --- Casca wrote: > By the by, I'm completely okay with posing for the follow-up "Studs > of Gaming." I'm told I look fabulous in a posing pouch... ;) OK, NOW you're scaring me... o;;;> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "And on the 8th day God created gamers, and he looked down from Heaven and said, 'It is... well... uh...'" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:03:23 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... - --On Tuesday, August 8, 2000 5:51 AM -0700 Michael Walton wrote: > > --- Casca wrote: > >> By the by, I'm completely okay with posing for the follow-up "Studs >> of Gaming." I'm told I look fabulous in a posing pouch... ;) > > OK, NOW you're scaring me... o;;;> > Mike, I think we can both safely duck the photo session. =) Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("The pictures were blank? Darn. Gosh.") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 06:03:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Weird Campaign lvl Artifact - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > Also the artifact becomes a bit more manegable and interesting if > toned down > (maybe Eli's been working on it as a SIDE-prodject for 20 or so > years) if it > only imprisons one major level superior and he wants the PCs to help > in the > final checkout of it....Beleth, Belial, etc. > > Of course this opens the whole idea in my mind about Lucifer being > imprisoned for 1000 years and Eli's Apcolypse globe being made for > ONE > *VERY* special person. Ooooh! Now this I like! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "And on the 8th day God created gamers, and he looked down from Heaven and said, 'It is... well... uh...'" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 08:16:19 -0500 (CDT) From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Weird Campaign lvl Artifact For whatever reason, this reminds me of al-Qadim's Astrolabe of Entrapment... which would be a cool relic of Purity as it is. ^_^ Maybe I'll write that up after I get everything else done. - -EDG ever unoriginal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:55:24 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Weird Campaign lvl Artifact - --On Tuesday, August 8, 2000 6:03 AM -0700 Michael Walton wrote: > > --- Charles Phipps wrote: >> Also the artifact becomes a bit more manegable and interesting if >> toned down >> (maybe Eli's been working on it as a SIDE-prodject for 20 or so >> years) if it >> only imprisons one major level superior and he wants the PCs to >> help in the >> final checkout of it....Beleth, Belial, etc. >> >> Of course this opens the whole idea in my mind about Lucifer being >> imprisoned for 1000 years and Eli's Apcolypse globe being made for >> ONE >> *VERY* special person. > > Ooooh! Now this I like! > Wait. Eli spent 100 years making the Celestial equivalent of a *pokeball*? Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Malakite, I choose you!") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:03:01 GMT From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Weird Campaign lvl Artifact >From: Marc Bowden >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Weird Campaign lvl Artifact >Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 09:55:24 -0400 [attribution lost] >>>Of course this opens the whole idea in my mind about Lucifer being >>>imprisoned for 1000 years and Eli's Apcolypse globe being made for >>>ONE *VERY* special person. >> Ooooh! Now this I like! > Wait. Eli spent 100 years making the Celestial equivalent of a >*pokeball*? *spit-take* KEYBOARD! You are *evil*. - -- Chuckg ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 10:12:21 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... A pose pouch is, I believe, like unto a high-fashion jock strap, a modern equivalent of a fig leaf. It is the main part of the working clothes of male strippers. There. That wasn't all that upsetting, was it? Now turn your head and cough. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 14:18:03 GMT From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... >From: Earl Wajenberg >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... >Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 10:12:21 -0500 > >A pose pouch is, I believe, like unto a high-fashion jock strap, >a modern equivalent of a fig leaf. It is the main part of >the working clothes of male strippers. Oh, is *that* all. *yawn* Great big buildup, great big letdown. I want my money back! - -- Chuckg >There. That wasn't all that upsetting, was it? > >Now turn your head and cough. > >Earl ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 10:19:11 -0600 From: shadowcat Subject: Re: IN> Gen Con Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > At 11:06 PM -0400 8/5/00, Bull wrote: > >I know there are a couple of games listed in the Pre-Reg book, but is SJG > >gonna be at GC this year in any official copacity or anything? > > I doubt they'll have a booth, but I've heard runors that Kromm, at > least, will be around. Kromm will be there. as will a few other SJ Games staffers. I am positive of Kromm though. I have to pick him up from the airport tomorrow afternoon. > >Even better, and In Nomine "big wigs" gonna be around? :] Just got a white > >HB off eBay, and wondering if anyone will be around to sign autographs :] > > Heh --not I, I fear. See da .sig... Sorry to hear you will not be in attendance, maybe next year. you only have 2 more before it move to Indianoplace. Shadowcat (former Indianaite {never "Hoosier"} who is glad to be free) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 10:25:43 -0600 From: shadowcat Subject: Re: IN> Great Books Robb-Escue wrote: > If you like comic books more than novels, I wouldn't say that, I am a veracious reader, I will read damn neer anything as long as it is good. I have the demon series, I enjoyed it. Another series I have like is "Warrior Nun Ariela " put out by Antarctic Press. It can give some good ideas of humans in the war. If you enjoy novels take a look at "Stranger in a Strange Land" by Robert Heinlein. Lokked at through an In Nomine lens it is fun. Just think of Micheal in the book as Eli. ;) Shadowcat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 10:26:45 -0700 From: Rolland Therrien Subject: Re: IN> Weird Campaign lvl Artifact - -----Original Message----- From: Marc Bowden To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 7:01 AM Subject: Re: IN> Weird Campaign lvl Artifact > > >--On Tuesday, August 8, 2000 6:03 AM -0700 Michael Walton > wrote: > >> >> --- Charles Phipps wrote: >>> Also the artifact becomes a bit more manegable and interesting if >>> toned down >>> (maybe Eli's been working on it as a SIDE-prodject for 20 or so >>> years) if it >>> only imprisons one major level superior and he wants the PCs to >>> help in the >>> final checkout of it....Beleth, Belial, etc. >>> >>> Of course this opens the whole idea in my mind about Lucifer being >>> imprisoned for 1000 years and Eli's Apcolypse globe being made for >>> ONE >>> *VERY* special person. >> >> Ooooh! Now this I like! >> > > Wait. Eli spent 100 years making the Celestial equivalent of a >*pokeball*? Ooh, I want to trade one of my Laurencemon for a Davidsaur. And I'll be hunting hard for the elusive LeviathanTwo. Gotta Catch'em All! - -Exit the LoneWolf (Who knows too much about Pokemon for his own good... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:22:29 -0400 From: josephr@ca.ibm.com Subject: IN> New Campaign - and questions from my players I'm in the process of spooling up my first IN game. I've got a good concept, a cuple neat bits, and some players with good character concepts. However, most of theer previous gaming is with other systems (GURPS, Hero System, L5R RPG, Amber, etc) The one MAJOR complaint I'm getting is about resources - and in specific, the Holy/Unholy bullets. To be brief, I'm getting grief from them on how, from a game design setting, it doesn't make sense to use their character points for a resource whose only purpose is to be used up, and which doesn't replenish. Which does have a point - no other relics or talismans are one-shot items, and vessels, roles and songs don't go away if you use them - why should the bullets? Have the rules on the bullets changed? Is there some solution I'm missing? some rule I'm not picking up on? Or should I just tell them "It is ineffable" - and go from there. Looking forward for your responses... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:54:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Twila Oxley Price Subject: IN> Laurencemon and LeviathanTwo... Giggle. Snort. I like! Can't you just *see* Laurence's face when he saw the digitized cartoon of a Laurencemon?! Twila (whose daughter SOLD Pokemon for a while, and who has her very own talking Pikachu, though she likes Totoro and Miyazaki's stuff better) OBInNomine: It's too easy to blame Pokemon on Nybas, or Kobal. What OTHER demon princes might be responsible? Or, alternatively, what might the Angel of Pokemon be like? ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1763 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.