From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Aug 10 04:43:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA11304 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:43:54 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id EAA10928 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:42:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:42:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200008100942.EAA10928@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1767 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, August 10 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1767 In this digest: Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... Re: IN> Fwd: Invitation to join choir8 Re: IN> Thoughts about Lilith (was: Thoughts about Plurals) IN> IN Hello Re: IN> Thoughts about Lilith (was: Thoughts about Plurals) Re: IN> Thoughts about Lilith (was: Thoughts about Plurals) Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... Re: IN> Fwd: Invitation to join choir8 Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... IN> Paganism in In Nomine Re: IN> Thoughts about Lilith (was: Thoughts about Plurals) IN> The Archangel of RPGing IN> Laurence the True Christian Re: IN> Laurence the True Christian Re: IN> Laurence the True Christian Re: IN> Laurence the True Christian Re: IN> Laurence the True Christian Re: IN> Laurence the True Christian Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... Re: IN> Laurence the True Christian IN> Game Re: IN> Game Re: IN> Game Re: IN> Laurence the True Christian Re: IN> Game IN> Re> IN: Game Re: IN> Game Re: IN> Game Re: IN> Game e: IN> Thought experiment time... Re: IN> Laurence the True Christian IN> Bright Question. IN> Re: Paganism in IN IN> Celestials & the Internet (WAS: My opinion on Jean) Re: IN> Game Re: IN> Celestials & the Internet (WAS: My opinion on Jean) Re: IN> Celestials & the Internet (WAS: My opinion on Jean) IN> Luck, Essence and Stuff IN> Discworld/IN Crossover (was: Game) Re: IN> The end? IN> Selfish vs Cruel (was: Expanded Fire Attunements) Re: IN> Discworld/IN Crossover (was: Game) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:49:29 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... - --On Wednesday, August 9, 2000 12:16 PM -0500 David Edelstein wrote: > Marc Bowden wrote: >> That would be the natural reaction to Beth in my neck of the >> woods. > > > Why? When I see a woman striking silly poses with a whip, I'm more > likely to laugh than cower. > Who was talking about the whip? I meant just *Beth*. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("She'd eat me alive.") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:01:06 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Invitation to join choir8 At 12:21 PM -0500 8/9/00, David Edelstein wrote: >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> >> Kindly note I, Beth, am FORWARDING this, not posting it. (Yeah, I'm getting >> tired of seeing people replying to forwarded posts with "Elizabeth McCoy >> wrote". I didn't write it, I only forwarded it. If you reply to it, at >> least keep the ">From so and so" in the message. O:p ) > >You know, your job would probably be a lot easier if you just refused to >forward stuff like this. Tell the guy he needs to join the list >correctly. It would also get people to be more careful, since they'd no >longer be able to rely on you forwarding their message if it bounces. Believe me, talking people through joining the list is more work. I just wind up forwarding things anyway, if I'm telling someone Join The List Properly, _and_ I have to write up the instructions... Most digest-readers get the message when they see me forwarding things. It's easier when people actually _read_ what their mailer is saying to 'em and stick in the "so&so wrote" correctly.... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:05:30 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Thoughts about Lilith (was: Thoughts about Plurals) At 12:20 PM -0500 8/9/00, David Edelstein wrote: >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> Now, in my little corner of the non-canon multiverse, she'd never >> do that, [...] (Having, no doubt, subconscious >> awareness that if _I_ had a miserable bout with all-day "morning" >> sickness and pre-eclampsia and whatnot, _she's_ doomed...) > >Why? You are neither All Women, nor Lilith. Because it's _my_ little corner of the non-canon multiverse, that's why. And this decrees that if _I_ have a miserable time of something, I'm going to make sure that Notable Characters Especially NPCs have a miserable time of it too. It's MY corner and I'll do what I blessed well please with it, and the idea of a Princess of Hell with morning sickness makes me laugh sadistically. Am I going to have to start shouting in my tags again? - --Beth, typing w/a baby (iolanthe) on her chest. Vapitalizatoin & spelling difficult, typing w/1 hand & supporting baby w/other. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:14:11 +0000 From: Charles E Smith Subject: IN> IN Hello Hello everyone. I'm Charles, and I just signed up to the list this morning. *looks about nervously* Although I read the welcoming letter, I hope I'm not breaking any rules by posting this letter. Some brief info: I found out about the game in May and I've spent much of the summer reading up on what I can find from the INC (can't afford any of the books yet). I've followed the list digests for a few days now, so I thought I should sign up. :) *goes back into his nice, shadowy corner* I'll be over here if anyone wants me. :) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:52:45 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Thoughts about Lilith (was: Thoughts about Plurals) - --On Wednesday, August 9, 2000 2:27 PM -0300 Philip Vincent Barkow wrote: > > Philip, who's also curious to see what Beth's brain looks like on > ice cream and other intoxicants... > *holds up an egg* "This is Beth's brain." *whips out a huge anime mallet* "This is Beth's brain on sugar." *smashes you right over the head with the mallet* Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("...got armor?") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:53:51 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Thoughts about Lilith (was: Thoughts about Plurals) - --On Wednesday, August 9, 2000 12:17 PM -0500 Prodigal wrote: > From: "Elizabeth McCoy" >> >> ***** And then there's the Hive Mind Princess idea I had for a >> _totally_ non-canon Lilim Superior... It's totally self-serving >> weirdness and I'll only post it if people want to see what Beth's >> brain looks like on chocolate. > > I know that *I* would like to see it... ;;;) > Me too! Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Do they all wear blinking medallions with numbers on them?") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:12:14 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... At 3:05 PM +0000 8/9/00, Jo Hart wrote: >>--On Tuesday, August 8, 2000 3:55 PM -0400 Elizabeth McCoy >> wrote: >> >>>*The point is to be a sadistic tease. It's fun, low-calorie, and >>>attracts the correct sort of male attention if done properly. >> >> *snork* "The correct sort of male attention?" > >I don't know what Beth meant (or rather, I do but it makes every feminist >muscle in my body cringe) but 'cowering in fear in the corner' works for me. That's roughly what I meant, too, actually. Or cowering in fear at my feet. At 12:16 PM -0500 8/9/00, David Edelstein wrote: >Marc Bowden wrote: >> That would be the natural reaction to Beth in my neck of the woods. > >Why? When I see a woman striking silly poses with a whip, I'm more >likely to laugh than cower. That's why one has to know how to _use_ the whip. Or cattleprod. Or marvelously evil plot. Or catapult with the litter-siftings or diaper bags. - --Beth, typing w/a baby (iolanthe) on her chest. Vapitalizatoin & spelling difficult, typing w/1 hand & supporting baby w/other. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 13:16:00 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Invitation to join choir8 Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > Believe me, talking people through joining the list is more work. Just put the instructions on a web page, and point them at it. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:20:11 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... Is this thread likely to make it into the "please take it to private messages" any time in the near future? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:12:41 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Paganism in In Nomine > I believe you missed the entire point. The 'mysteries' that the > majority of "people disenchanted with mainstream dogma" pursue within > wicca have nothing to do with the celestial, in the same way > (equially reprehensible, in my sight) that many, many people make > their church a stronghold for their own desires. > > Marc. Just Marc. > Elohite Angel of Salvation > ("Reality is not changed by putting on blinders.") > A huge "Amen" to the post and the sig line! Indeed but the heretical angel is the angel who understands most when the Host has forgotton it's entire purpose. Counterpoint I think Novalis may be trying to pull a "Hebrew" by reaching out to people using imagery they understand and divorcing them from concepts that have no meaning for them...while slowly reformating their view of the goddess to one that is indistinguishable from God. Thus i.e. converting this reactionary pagan movement (in Laurence's words) to a divine religeon. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:57:47 GMT From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Thoughts about Lilith (was: Thoughts about Plurals) >From: Elizabeth McCoy >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Thoughts about Lilith (was: Thoughts about Plurals) >Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:05:30 -0400 > >At 12:20 PM -0500 8/9/00, David Edelstein wrote: > >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> Now, in my little corner of the non-canon multiverse, she'd never > >> do that, [...] (Having, no doubt, subconscious > >> awareness that if _I_ had a miserable bout with all-day "morning" > >> sickness and pre-eclampsia and whatnot, _she's_ doomed...) > > > >Why? You are neither All Women, nor Lilith. > >Because it's _my_ little corner of the non-canon multiverse, that's >why. And this decrees that if _I_ have a miserable time of something, >I'm going to make sure that Notable Characters Especially NPCs have >a miserable time of it too. It's MY corner and I'll do what I blessed >well please with it, and the idea of a Princess of Hell with morning >sickness makes me laugh sadistically. Old Navy saying: "When the Skipper is having a bad day, *EVERYBODY* is having a bad day." >Am I going to have to start shouting in my tags again? Nah. - -- Chuckg ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:34:51 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Archangel of RPGing >Knights of the Dinner Table. But of course, given that I wrote a Knights Strip for In Nomine I have to say that they were indeed a major inspiration for my game. >Brian VanHoose. >You gotta work him in here somehow... because he most *definitely* has this >resonance. AAMOF, Brian blows 6s on his check digits like we eat hot >dinners. Yep....poor guy still copeing with that temper of his however...everytime he overturns a table he gets dissonance. >[snip] >And Sara is not a Mercurian of Bob -- she's a Seraph of Bob. (Remember the >time Sara's character was cursed to be alignment-changed to Chaotic Evil... >and how enthusiastically she threw herself into the role? And how >*horribly* she spent the next four weeks torturing the party, unbenknownst >to them? Hand Sara a Role, and by God she will *play* it. To the hilt.) Hehe thank you...I always considered Sarah a bit more of a stern Seraph than the understanding Mercurian type truly. A very good observation there and I LOVE that. :-) Hehe Dave I'm fairly certain isn't a servitor of Bob however; in my mind he stinks of the Malakim of Laurence assigned to help out the group just in case any diabolicals stop by....(Oaths: I will never use any weapon other than my hackmaster if I have a choice, I will always be courteous to barmaids....) B.A. who knows? Actually Bob himself (he was the inspiration)? A unsuspecting human with a great destiny? A high ranking Mercurian of Bob? Bob I actually fear to say the namesake is not an angel at all but... THE DEMON OF HACK N' SLASH A servitor of Fufur, Asmodeus, Haagenti, Kobal, Saminga and several others in his oddly short career as a diabolical Bob is one of those rare demons the forces of Hell truly loathe. A demon who is annoying but unkillable. An Impudite who wanted to fledge as a calabim (he couldn't of course) he's always tried to make up for it by acting like one and lying through his teeth about it. One night at the university while holding an all diabolical game Lucifer showed up waving his character sheet. Well needles to say bob who was playing DID NOT like this obnoxious twink messing up his party with all his guffaws and new-age ROLE-playing and muttered after a huge complaint the immortal line. "you want a piece of me? Huh, do you punk? Roll for initiave Monkey Boy!" to the Prince of darkness. Lucifer promptly gave him his word and his lucky 20 sider which whenever Bob manifests in Celestial form; becomes a 1d666....unfortunately whenever he rolls it in that form, it ALWAYS causes an Infernal intervention unless it hits a1 (which does a Divine...and those are just whacky). Needless to say Demons are cautious around Bob who is one of the few things that causes Kobal to still fall on the ground laughing. - -Charlemagne P.S. Great now I'm ready to do a Illuminati University Campaign starring the Knights and black hands ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:59:22 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Laurence the True Christian Here's some interesting write ups that I'd thought I'd share for Laurence and Khalid after some really WHACKY events have forced them to re-examine their lifestyles. Khalid the Faithful: 'The Elohim King Solomon' as some have refered to him is a calm, rational, and very empathic angel who listens to his servitors many problems and does his best to hear them out. While he still dresses in Muslim robes and follows the Qua'ran to the best of his ability; he has servitors working in every major religeon in the world and is willing to hear them out about any interpretations they have about God's word....personally noting that God is present in everything. Khalid the Faithful's goals: Khalid has re-adopted his goal of converting every single man, woman, and child in the world to Islam-however he has changed it to a more universal view. His goal personally is to get as many humans to join together in faithful acceptance of all divine religeons and unite them understanding the importance of Muhammed (and all other revealed prophets) in peace. This meta-religeon is very close to the orginal Islam in simplicity but has the backing of Gabriel and Litheroy to aid it in showing the spirit must be filled over the wording. Laurence the Cross: The Archangel of the Sword's crucible was one of the most horrofic events in Heaven but one that has deeply impressed the Host in Laurence's ability to hold onto his faith and indeed grow stronger in it. While he has lost David's support for him as commander of the Host and many wonder if he should actually be....he has gained Michael's unconditional alliance as well as Novalis in Yves for their understanding of his ways. Dominic sadly has difficulty understanding laurence's often seemingly paradoxial rules of war. The Archangel of the Cross (as he refers to himself now) is a almost complete pacifist who knightly orders have been restructed to be purely defensive, healing, or preaching. Laurence's work on Earth is now devoted merely (or so it seems to the militant angels other than Michael) to inspiring humanity's hope and understanding of God's Symphony while giving them aid where they request it. Aside from immense pity he doesn't seem to have any hatred whatsoever for the Infernal host and now refers to them exclusively as angels who have lost their way. This change in philosophy of educating mankind, humility, and love is having a very deterential effect on Hell's forces more than perhaps rampant slaughter was. Still it's occasionally bit Laurence's followers in the rear....a Laurencean usually will not defend himself if no one else is in danger. While normally he was guffawing at this stupidity....Baal is beginning to get deeply shaken by the number of his servitors that have defected. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:17:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Twila Oxley Price Subject: Re: IN> Laurence the True Christian So, Charles, what exactly HAPPENED to Laurence to make him turn to pacifism? Why does Michael support this? Etc. Enquiring minds want to know... Twila ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:28:54 GMT From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Laurence the True Christian >From: Twila Oxley Price >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >CC: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Laurence the True Christian >Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:17:02 -0400 (EDT) >So, Charles, what exactly HAPPENED to Laurence to make him turn to >pacifism? Second the motion? >Why does Michael support this? Two possible answers: GIVING MICHAEL THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT ANSWER: a) Whatever affected Laurence so profoundly also made an impression on Michael. a1) Related to a), Michael figured out that the War could be won faster this way. THE MORE SELFISH/CYNICAL ANSWER: b) If Laurence is no longer in charge of *offensive* operations, then who is? Michael just got at least half of his old job back. No wonder he's smiling. *eg* - -- Chuckg ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:41:31 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Laurence the True Christian Charles Phipps wrote: > His goal personally is to get as many humans to join together in > faithful acceptance of all divine religeons and unite them > understanding the importance of Muhammed (and all other revealed > prophets) in peace. This meta-religeon is very close to the > orginal Islam in simplicity - -- and strongly resembles modern Ba'hai, which is likewise striving to be an inclusive meta-religion. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:53:09 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Laurence the True Christian Charles Glasgow wrote: > THE MORE SELFISH/CYNICAL ANSWER: > > b) If Laurence is no longer in charge of *offensive* operations, then who > is? Michael just got at least half of his old job back. No wonder he's > smiling. *eg* Except that Michael stepped down from his old job millenia ago, and has shown no signs of wanting it back since. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:35:44 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Laurence the True Christian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Edelstein" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 3:53 PM Subject: Re: IN> Laurence the True Christian > Charles Glasgow wrote: > > THE MORE SELFISH/CYNICAL ANSWER: > > > > b) If Laurence is no longer in charge of *offensive* operations, then who > > is? Michael just got at least half of his old job back. No wonder he's > > smiling. *eg* > > Except that Michael stepped down from his old job millenia ago, .. after certain unpleasantnesses with the Celestial Inquisition... > and has shown no signs of wanting it back since. Because God made Laurence Commander of the Hosts, and Michael doesn't argue with God's will. He's aggressive, but honest. Tough, but fair. However, if Laurence *voluntarily* relinquished almost half of his office, then there's nothing stopping Michael from picking it back up. Indeed, he'd be the logical entity for the job. And Michael does enjoy his work. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:53:13 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> This will get me in so much trouble... At 12:20 PM -0600 8/9/00, ben wrote: >Is this thread likely to make it into the "please take it to private >messages" any time in the near future? Probably about now. O:> - --Beth, typing w/a baby (iolanthe) on her chest. Vapitalizatoin & spelling difficult, typing w/1 hand & supporting baby w/other. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:49:41 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Laurence the True Christian Charles Glasgow wrote: > .. after certain unpleasantnesses with the Celestial Inquisition... Sure, but if he really wanted the job (or if God really wanted him to have the job), he would have had it back by now. Certainly he'd have been the likely replacement after Uriel was recalled, if it was meant to be. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:06:25 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: IN> Game Anyone here a Terry Pratchett Discworld fan? Ever read Small Gods? Doesn't Vorbis bear a disturbing resemblance to Asmodeus? Reverend Brian A. Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:16:22 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Game From: > Anyone here a Terry Pratchett Discworld fan? Ever read Small Gods? Doesn't > Vorbis bear a disturbing resemblance to Asmodeus? Actually, the high priest in Pyramids reminded me even more of Asmodeus than Vorbis did. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:21:10 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Game In a message dated 8/9/00 5:19:30 PM Central Daylight Time, prodigal@ticnet.com writes: << > Anyone here a Terry Pratchett Discworld fan? Ever read Small Gods? Doesn't > Vorbis bear a disturbing resemblance to Asmodeus? Actually, the high priest in Pyramids reminded me even more of Asmodeus than Vorbis did. >> Really. I have that book on my shelf. Just haven't gotten to it yet. Reverend Brian A. Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:21:33 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Laurence the True Christian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Edelstein" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 4:49 PM Subject: Re: IN> Laurence the True Christian > Charles Glasgow wrote: > > .. after certain unpleasantnesses with the Celestial Inquisition... > > Sure, but if he really wanted the job (or if God really wanted him to > have the job), he would have had it back by now. Certainly he'd have > been the likely replacement after Uriel was recalled, if it was meant to > be. .. at that time. We were discussing the possible results of yet *another* a significant change in the status quo, after all. BTW, you snipped so much of my post that the one remark floating above is almost left floating out of context. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:23:03 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Game - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 5:06 PM Subject: IN> Game > Anyone here a Terry Pratchett Discworld fan? Ever read Small Gods? Doesn't > Vorbis bear a disturbing resemblance to Asmodeus? Never thought of it that way before, but you could be right. I always pictured Asmodeus as a cross between the Cardinal Richilieu of the Three Musketeers and Chairman Gerasimov from Tom Clancy's _Cardinal Of The Kremlin_, myself. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:28:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "David M. Barr" Subject: IN> Re> IN: Game >Anyone here a Terry Pratchett Discworld fan? yes. >Ever read Small Gods? yes. >Doesn't Vorbis bear a disturbing resemblance to >Asmodeus? Aside from being a turtle, you mean? Hmmmm... Does this inspire a Gurps IN / Discworld crossover campaign for anyone else? Throw in a dash of Good Omens for spice. The mind reels. (really, I must get my mind upgraded so it can CD...) - -Daiv ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:33:18 -0700 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> Game BillionSix@aol.com wrote: > > Anyone here a Terry Pratchett Discworld fan? I would imagine so (gaming and Pratchett seem to mix pretty well, IME) > Ever read Small Gods? Doesn't > Vorbis bear a disturbing resemblance to Asmodeus? And doesn't the whole shebang bear a remarkable resemblance to the Ethereal condition? Cheers, -Ryan "Each drop would make me grow up really high really high like a really high thing. say a sunflower..." -XTC, "I'd Like That" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 17:46:26 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Game From: > > Actually, the high priest in Pyramids reminded me even more of Asmodeus than > Vorbis did. >> > > Really. I have that book on my shelf. Just haven't gotten to it yet. I think you'll agree with me by the time you reach the end of the book. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:46:04 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Game In a message dated 8/9/00 5:42:56 PM Central Daylight Time, mikmok@telus.net writes: << > Anyone here a Terry Pratchett Discworld fan? I would imagine so (gaming and Pratchett seem to mix pretty well, IME) > Ever read Small Gods? Doesn't > Vorbis bear a disturbing resemblance to Asmodeus? And doesn't the whole shebang bear a remarkable resemblance to the Ethereal condition? >> Yup! Poor Om, trying to keep his one source of Essence going. "Are you feeling okay? Bundle up! You don't want to get a chill!" Reverend Brian A. Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:01:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: e: IN> Thought experiment time... Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 09:49:26 -0500From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Thought experiment time... >My speculation is that the reconditioned Balseraph >would probably turn out to be a Seraph unless the >Archangel worked very hard to make something else, >and that it would be "born" with dissonance >and/or discord, which I presume the Archangel would >hasten to remove. The Archangel might then have a >shiny new seraph equipped with possibly valuable >enemy intelligence information and some skills that >you don't often find among the Host. >Earl That's more or less my gut reaction, too, though the possible oddities of a refurbished Bal of Fate were distracting me. Cool: I can go full speed ahead now... Thanks to everyone who commented. :) Moe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:07:39 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Laurence the True Christian Charles Glasgow wrote: > .. at that time. > > We were discussing the possible results of yet *another* a significant > change in the status quo, after all. IMO, it wouldn't be significant enough. Michael stepped down, and Michael's the kind of guy who MEANS it when he says "No more." Unless God Himself asks Michael to take command again, Michael is quite content being the warrior he is. He may not always be entirely happy with the performance of whomever is filling the position of Heavenly Commander at the moment, but that doesn't mean he wants the job. > BTW, you snipped so much of my post that the one remark floating above is > almost left floating out of context. I figure those who are following the thread know the context -- I dislike excessive repasting. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:55:42 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: IN> Bright Question. I remember hearing someone (I think Beth) mention something about Bright Lilim being able to resonate photographs. I'd heard something about that before. Where's this written? What's the skinny? I'm embarrassed to ask because I like to think I know In Nomine fairly well. Reverend Brian A. Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 20:48:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Re: Paganism in IN Heh. All this talk of ethereals have reminded me of something that popped into my head a few days ago: Assuming that the "God is an ethereal on steroids" theory is true, imagine what would happen if one of the pantheons actually worked out the trick that let Yahweh pump himself up. Heck, let all of the pantheons work it out. The more, the merrier*. The first notice that Heaven would get of this little change in the status quo would be when the Tsayadim get dropped-kicked back over the walls... ...and, of course, Hell's not in the rosiest of positions either, considering how many times that they've taken advantage of their superior position over the ethereal pantheons to Put The Boot In. I'm sure that Nybbas and Beleth were less than pleased that their "ambassadors" to the Far Marches were sent packing, especially considering that celestials aren't really supposed to fit into glassine envelopes, no matter _what_ Song you use. And let's not even start about how little Athena, say, gives a sh** about keeping the corporeal world unaware about the True State of Affairs... :) Morgan (FAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Milk May Do a Body Good, But Give Me Primal Clay Any Old Day *In fact, you don't even need to have "God=Ethereal" to make this work. Maybe the pantheons worked out something else. Handwave a lot and Smite thy smart-a** players who ask too many questions, and it should be all good. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:08:13 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: IN> Celestials & the Internet (WAS: My opinion on Jean) At 10:45 PM -0700 08/07/00, Rolland Therrien wrote: > Take the Internet: It' clearly a development of Jean's technological > divisions. Possibly. Though I believe that Humanity developed it (heck, Lilith's got a Tether involving a company in "Silicon Valley" that pioneered early networking technology). Vapula and Nybbas exploit it. Jean is still thinking about it. Lilith, as we know, is just grinning to herself about it. Just because celestials are far more 'advanced' than the meager humans, doesn't mean they can't come up with something for good or ill on their own. Humans _are_ God's favorate after all, right? So. That's what I think happened, and you're perfectly entitled to do things your own way. That's why the people who run In Nomine are the Games Operation Director. };;;> Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = tafkaj@thrifty.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 22:59:14 -0500 From: "James Bearse & Brandy Badenoch" Subject: Re: IN> Game > Anyone here a Terry Pratchett Discworld fan? Oh, by all that's holy, yes. I can't even wait for his books to be published in America - I order them from overseas. > Ever read Small Gods? Doesn't Vorbis bear a disturbing resemblance to Asmodeus? I see the resemblance, but if you think about it, he's not very Djinn-like. He's got the traits of a Balseraph - lying to himself and believing it - and a Habbalite - thinking he's doing the will of Om, no matter what everyone else thinks. He'd have to be a game servitor - like the Demon of Inquisition or something. He'd be even more interesting as a servitor of Fallen Khalid. > > Reverend Brian A. Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 05:15:54 GMT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Celestials & the Internet (WAS: My opinion on Jean) >From: "Tafka J." >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: IN> Celestials & the Internet (WAS: My opinion on Jean) >Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 23:08:13 -0500 > >At 10:45 PM -0700 08/07/00, Rolland Therrien wrote: > > Take the Internet: It' clearly a development of Jean's technological > > divisions. > > Possibly. Though I believe that Humanity developed it IIRC, the WWW was 'invented' in one of Jean's tethers (CERN) jo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 00:35:55 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> Celestials & the Internet (WAS: My opinion on Jean) At 5:15 AM +0000 08/10/00, Jo Hart wrote: > IIRC, the WWW was 'invented' in one of Jean's tethers (CERN) I'll give you _that_ much (my 'net Trivia is alas, pathetic at best). Still, WWW is just one (and ever-annoying) aspect of the whole enchilada that is the Internet. };;;> (I remember the days of WWW, when it was still JUST text-based -- and it was used only for 'educational' purposes only.) I'll still stick by my statement that Humans should be credited for all the 'better' things in life. Then again, I prefer my evil to be subtle, and very real in indeed. Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = tafkaj@thrifty.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:43:30 -0400 From: Tim Groth Subject: IN> Luck, Essence and Stuff My thoughts on luck in the IN universe. Primarly I think the corporeal world is supposed to be a lot like ours, as in objectively physical. The only divergent from a hard core scientific reality (ignoring celestials, etc) is the ineffiable soul with its essence. Thus luck isn't a phenominium more than good flow of essence. Thus things like Feng Shui (sp?) that promote essence regeneration provide essence to be blown on events. Emotionally charged items might carry some essence, and may even be able to recharge it slowly, and be lucky items. But no one gets to put down Luck/4 on their sheet. Of course that could be fun, especially if you did it GURPS style. Maybe every level of luck is a time it can be used per hour. At a cost of 4 cp a level, and can't re-roll on Interventions, you could make people who by quirk of the Symphony are just more likely to do well. Also you could use Serendipity (also GURPS style) to have favorable meetings. Same cost, number of minor fortunate coincidences a day and major ones per week. Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 01:56:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "O. S. Kerr" Subject: IN> Discworld/IN Crossover (was: Game) Wouldn't *that* be a kick in the pants... Cohen and the Silver Horde as the oldest Soldiers of Michael in the Disc... Ludmilla as an unwitting servant of Jordi... What else? O. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 02:05:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "O. S. Kerr" Subject: Re: IN> The end? Aaron, > I'm not sure where this came from, but I thought I'd share one > moment's odd thought. I got goosebumps. Anyone else? O. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 02:32:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "O. S. Kerr" Subject: IN> Selfish vs Cruel (was: Expanded Fire Attunements) - --- Michael Walton wrote: > > --- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > > > > These three facts add up to one thing: angels of Fire > > > > can *automatically* detect demons! The main limitation > > > > of this is that the angel doesn't know that the target > > > > is a demon. > > My apologies, I wasn't precisely clear. The point is that > the Fire Attunements unerringly identify a demon as a > legitimate target (but not necessarily as a demon). > > As to the fact that each Attunement only detects one type of > cruelty, that was addressed in my original post on this > subject -- in order to "ping" on any and all demons, the angel > must have the Gabrielite Attunements for Seraphim, Cherubim, > Elohim and Kyriotates. Anything less and somebody's going to > be missed. However, IMHO, the Seraphi of Fire Attunement > alone would catch most demons -- knowingly profitting from the > suffering of others pretty much sums up what demons do... > especially when they know that some of Hell's Essence is > tortured out of damned souls. If memory serves, the Fire Attunements only ping on cruel individuals, not selfish ones (though a Mercurian of Fire might pick up on this in certain circumstances). There is nothing in canon that states that an average Impudite must be cruel to those he drains of Essence. In many cases, cruelty would be counter to his purposes. An effective Impudite may very well be the least-cruel individual that a Servitor of Fire ever bumps into. Encouraging humanity to be selfish is not, by definition, an act of cruelty. O. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 21:42:08 +1200 (NZST) From: Keith Bolland Subject: Re: IN> Discworld/IN Crossover (was: Game) On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, O. S. Kerr wrote: > Wouldn't *that* be a kick in the pants... Cohen and the Silver > Horde as the oldest Soldiers of Michael in the Disc... Ludmilla > as an unwitting servant of Jordi... Oh god (wave to Bilious!), the possibilities... Sam Vimes as a Servitor of Gabriel, of course. Carrot as something of the Sword. Probably a Malakite. Definitely with Master of the Armies of God, too. I don't want to think about Colon and Nobby. Susan as an unwilling Soldier of Judgement (with a sense of humor) 71-hour Ahmed as another one. Death poised to teach Saminga a thing or two about who's REALLY in charge. The image of Mustrum Ridcully as a jovial Soldier of Flowers is thoroughly disturbing but at once strangely compelling... Nanny Ogg as a Mercurian of Trade. Granny Weatherwax as an ex-Impudite (damn family) Mercurian of Stone. And Rincewind as Kobal's best joke -ever-. Even the Librarian wasn't that funny. //-- <*> Keith Bolland --------------------------------------- // "Life isn't fair. But the root password helps." -- The BOFH ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1767 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.