From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Aug 15 06:31:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA07369 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 06:31:08 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id GAA02026 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 06:28:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 06:28:01 -0500 Message-Id: <200008151128.GAA02026@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1782 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, August 15 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1782 In this digest: IN> Saminga! Re: IN> Contest: Minor Choirs and Bands. Re: IN> Sehrah: Angel of Folk Music Re: IN> Contest: Minor Choirs and Bands. IN> Censorship IN> [DARK VICTORY] Malphas, Shedite Prince of Factions Note (was Re: IN> Censorship) IN> The Innate Evil of Words IN> Ooops. Re: IN> RE: Erik, Prince of Music Re: IN> RE: Erik, Prince of Music Re: IN> Sehrah: Angel of Folk Music Re: IN> Censorship Re: IN> RE: Erik, Prince of Music Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Haagenti, Demon Prince of Gluttony Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Haagenti, Demon Prince of Gluttony Re: IN> Contest: Minor Choirs and Bands. Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Haagenti, Demon Prince of Gluttony IN> The Treaty of Austin IN> The limits to Lucifer IN> Furfur, Redeemed Re: IN> STOP! (was: Yeeeeesh...) Re: IN> STOP! (was: Yeeeeesh...) Re: IN> The limits to Lucifer [Longish] Re: IN> I Dunno. "A bloodfeud of Demon Princes" isn't snappy enough, somehow. Re: IN> Saminga! Re: IN> Censorship ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:30:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: IN> Saminga! - --- Marc Bowden wrote: > > I like Saminga! He's just fun! "Soon, the world will be a > > wasteland. All life will be destroyed, and I, Saminga, shall > > reign supreme!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!" > > It's hard not to have fun with a DP who crosses the line between > villany and cartoonish supervillany. =) CROSSES the line?!? When they saw him, they had to move it! The only thing that stops Saminga from being a bad joke is that his Word is one of the most potentially powerful ones out there (and even then, he's still pretty amusing). ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If all the world's a stage, where does the audience sit?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:33:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Contest: Minor Choirs and Bands. - --- ben wrote: > go ahead and get the creative juices > churning and > give our favorite Archangel of the Wind his very own minor choir. I hear and obey, O randomizing one. o;;;> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If all the world's a stage, where does the audience sit?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:40:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Sehrah: Angel of Folk Music > Sehrah, Ofanite Angel of Folk Music, Servitor of Stone > [snip] > Vessels: > Human/3(female); Role/3 (singer-songwriter, "Sara Maclean") You rock! I get the reference (that is, if you did that on purpose) and she's one of my favorite artists, too. > Attunements and Distinctions > Deep Gaze; Master of the Granite Fist Why the combat Distinction? Just curious. I really like this character; it's a good concept that I could have a lot of fun with in my campaign. I would've made her a Servitor of Novalis, but I guess you wanted to avoid the obvious. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If all the world's a stage, where does the audience sit?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:45:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Contest: Minor Choirs and Bands. - --- ben wrote: > By popular Maurice demand, you have until Friday to get your Janus > minor choir writeups done! > I didn't include Lilith (Lilim), Blandine (Menunim), or Beleth > (Pachadim). Well, when we get to Gabriel, you've already got my entry };;;> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If all the world's a stage, where does the audience sit?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:03:42 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Censorship Okay this is going to seem like an odd request given that I myself suggested the volentary law that any topic where a person repeats themself MUST be moved to private.... I however am a Republican and respectful of the spirit behind the Constitution. Beth, is restricting what people can discuss on the list REALLY the best way to encourage people to enjoy the list. I admit I deleted the vast majority of Lilith topics personally but I did enjoy quite a few and it brought up a number of topics which were of interest to me (the innate evil/good of words) and why some princes/prinecesses were more attractive to them. A number of people were enjoying also the inspirational music thread as well and I'm not sure this is a good idea as well...yes I understand Beth that previously the list was flooded and no doubt it was similar to the deluge of Lilith....yet is removing it a good idea for people who really DO want inspirational music for this list and weren't here before? What about the Casting Calls? I mean it is a FUN topic to discuss and brings up alot of interesting thoughts. I thus urge you to remove these bans on discussion truly. - -Charles Phipps Formally requesting the Word of Devil's Advocate ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:30:48 -0500 From: Kris Overstreet Subject: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Malphas, Shedite Prince of Factions Deep in the halls of the Inquisition, now silent and unused, a single being pondered a cracked chessboard. More than half of the pieces were missing, but those that remained stood in a non-Euclidian design that could only make sense to one of the Band whose most ancient surviving member now toyed with them. The design might possibly have made sense to one other- the original owner of the board- but he was gone now, Forces scattered to the Symphony by Laurence's sword and Dominic's scythe. A mixture of colors aligned at one end of the board. A serpent, winged and glorious and terrible, all in black- that was Lucifer, except Lucifer had redeemed. A pawn turned queen, or checker kinged- that was Eli. Two knights, unpredictable and unknowable, one light and one dark; those were Gabriel and Lilith. Two mismatched bishops- Yves and Nybbas; one lonely rook- Andrealphus; a scattered handful of pawns remaining, Novalis, Christopher, Marc, and possibly Janus and Valefor as well; neither had been heard of since Armageddeon. On the other end, a single white bishop upset the otherwise solid map of black; Dominic, the crazed Prince of Cleansing, who could turn at a moment's notice from assaulting his fellow Princes to wheedling them into joining his latest mad crusade. The King had fallen, and in his place stood a lowly pawn, a creature which made the player ashamed to be a fellow Shedite- Saminga, who saw nothing, thought nothing, cared for nothing except his demented world of power and destruction. The Queen still stood, however, and Kronos stood impassively on the edge of the board, threatening but refusing to dominate the open center. Here stood Furfur, a pawn promoted to rook, threatening both Eli and Saminga at once. Here stood Haagenti, threatening no less then four pieces, all of them presumably of his own side; he appeared to be protecting Saminga, but one move would open the way for others, and in itself pose a threat to the black king. Here, off in a corner, stood another pawn, Vapula, never played, apparently not playable to advantage. It would take a lot of work to get that piece into position, but it was not as impossible as it might seem. And, last but not least, on the back row, there sat the last original rook for black, a piece carved half-humanoid, half-amorphous, resembling a head and neck rising up from a cloud of flatulence. It had a clear alley up into the enemy's side of the board, true, but more importantly it had a direct line to the new black king. The time was not yet right, but soon Malphas would change colors... and then, checkmate. ***** The world is a chaotic pattern of factions within factions- but in the end, we have no allies at all. Each of us is a faction of one. Malphas understood full well why Lucifer and Asmodeus tolerated him before Armageddeon- his Word helped prevent any lone Prince from gaining too much power and threatening the order of things. Malphas understands full well now why all the remaining Princes do what they do, and to his mind, it is all for the same reason: he has coaxed them into doing it. Kronos, once most loyal to the throne and heir apparent, now stands out of the way, openly without ambition... opening the way for another challenger. Haagenti, once a dupe for a stooge, is now just skeptical enough to be a poor tool for others, but not yet experienced enough to know the touch of the master's hand. Vapula, with the potential to throw any plan off track, is safely occupied with his own affairs, effectively 'out of play.' The rest are pawns, to be used and discarded for any lesser goal he sees fit. And Saminga, the object of all Malphas' plotting, he too dances on Malphas' strings, quietly alienating any possible allies, failing to secure a political base of power, in short relying on raw strength to secure his grip on Hell. Malphas, of course, has spoken of his own ambitions to no one. To all his fellow Princes, even Dominic the mad, he suggests in whispers that a more stable and competent being ought to hold the Granite Throne... perhaps, his poison tongue whispers, one such as yourself? The game is the most dangerous one he's ever played, but he's confident of an endgame soon, and while his puppets knock Saminga from the throne, Malphas will be right there to snatch it away. STATISTICS (only as changed from IN core book) RELATIONS Neutral: All, except Hostile: Haagenti, Furfur Enemy: Saminga Redneck Kris Overstreet, aka Redneck Gaijin publisher, White Lightning Prod. - www.wlpcomics.com I ***LOATHE*** Microsoft Outlook. Please get Eudora. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:38:45 -0700 From: Laura Davidson Subject: Note (was Re: IN> Censorship) Beth, Just copied you my note to Charles mostly to let you know my opinion on the whole thing and reiterate my gratitude for what you did. - -Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:27:52 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Innate Evil of Words Okay since the L-Ban is now in force unless Beth listens to my plea (she's justified either way truly, as with most issues-they'res two sides).... Let's say that a Demon princess ummm we shall refer to her as L (completely hypothetical) has a word that is less than purely evil by nature (unlike Lust or Fire or Death). By defination of the GMG guide a Demon Prince or Princess as well as an angel...a Demon and an Angel get essence from any promotion of their word, such as Cities expanding helps both angel and demon of them. A question comes down to it in an amigious stage of it are they HURT or harmed however by uses of it to promote good? Thus can a word bound of Hell by defination, BE good? For instance let's say a Abrax, the Shedim has the Word of Desposing Tyrants and works for Saminga (perhaps you recall his work with President Lincoln) does he get essence for killing instead of the Great Emancipator instead get essence for killing say Hitler or Stalin? And if so is the essence comming from the promotion of the word's prominence in the Symphony or the selfless/selfish actions resulting from it...or both? For instance say the Shedim goes Renegade and seeks to promote human beings taking out all tyrants and for whatever reason decides not to join Heaven because he'll lose his word. Will Abrax continue to get essence despite killing the wicked? (Though truth be told that serves Hell's cause in it's own way if you believe habbalah). Counterpoint too does the word that BECOMES your personality be affected by your flavor. Sticking with Abrax is his word the despoiling of tyrants good or evil? Or is it the despoiling of tyrants to produce the rush of selfish victory and resulting anarchy/pride in your for killing the people's oppressor etc? All curious questions about wording brought up during the L-Debate. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 19:43:00 -0700 From: Laura Davidson Subject: IN> Ooops. Everyone, My apologies for that last...I borrowed a list-message for Beth's address, forgetting the principal of the reply-to line.... *blushing* We now return you to your regularly-scheduled list. - -Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:39:19 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> RE: Erik, Prince of Music At 03:16 PM 8/14/00, you wrote: >What's the plus to invocation for the Animaniac's >filking of Gilbert & Sullivan? Doing this summons Kobal instead, with an automatic +6 to his reaction. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:54:50 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> RE: Erik, Prince of Music - ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDG" To: Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 9:39 PM Subject: Re: IN> RE: Erik, Prince of Music > At 03:16 PM 8/14/00, you wrote: > > >What's the plus to invocation for the Animaniac's > >filking of Gilbert & Sullivan? > > Doing this summons Kobal instead, with an automatic +6 to his reaction. Eh? I mean, hasn't he heard that one *before*? Boooooo-ring! ::-) - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 22:56:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Twila Oxley Price Subject: Re: IN> Sehrah: Angel of Folk Music Grin. Yeah, I did make that reference on purpose. :-) And, yeah, Novalis was too obvious, although not bad... I just wanted to emphasize another aspect of the music. Twila ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:05:15 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Censorship At 10:03 PM 8/14/00, you wrote: I respond with the full knowledge that I risk censure myself. (I was planning on subscribing to Digest for the next few days anyway.) I respond mainly because I'm bothered by the topic. Censorship is often defined as the abridgement of someone's right to freedom of speech. As nobody has freedom of speech in a closed and moderated forum such as this one, the term "censorship" as commonly defined is simply not applicable. Standing on a soapbox on a street corner and shouting your views is a valid form of expression; standing on a soapbox in a crowded theater and shouting your views will get you thrown out. The following is my opinion only. I do not intend for this to spark a debate on the list. If you simply MUST reply, do it privately. My email address is edg@sjgames.com; triple-check that you've got that in the TO: line, instead of in_nomine-l, and then check again, just to be sure. >I however am a Republican and respectful of the spirit behind the >Constitution. I, however, am a Democrat, and therefore regularly use photocopies of that document for tinder. >Beth, is restricting what people can discuss on the list REALLY the best way >to encourage people to enjoy the list. I admit I deleted the vast majority >of Lilith topics personally but I did enjoy quite a few and it brought up a >number of topics which were of interest to me (the innate evil/good of >words) and why some princes/prinecesses were more attractive to them. Yes. Unequivocally, yes. I will grant that there are people who are interested in this sort of thing, (as far as I can tell) mainly because they haven't been around for the seventy billion other times it's been discussed. It is, however, what is known in colloquial terms as "beating a dead horse", and as well suffers from the snowball effect, such that people see pages upon pages of "IN> Best In Nomine Music" in their inboxes. Then, of course, we have the folks who come in late, don't read the archives, and start repeating songs. That just irritates the rest of us and starts the whole damn thing over again. >A number of people were enjoying also the inspirational music thread as well >and I'm not sure this is a good idea as well...yes I understand Beth that >previously the list was flooded and no doubt it was similar to the deluge of >Lilith....yet is removing it a good idea for people who really DO want >inspirational music for this list and weren't here before? What about the >Casting Calls? I mean it is a FUN topic to discuss and brings up alot of >interesting thoughts. Beth gives several alternatives for people who really, truly want hundreds of messages dealing with In Nomine Soundtracks or IN Casting Calls. These include private email, the Pyramid .innomine board, or setting up your own list - and at www.egroups.com, as many here already know, that's so simple as to be academic. Frankly, there are two reasons that I don't really read .innomine any more. The first is that the posting there is either feast or famine; you get nothing for a week, and then two hundred posts at once. The second is that when you /do/ get posts, it tends to be people saying the same thing a thousand times over; sometimes it's because nobody bothers to check previous replies before responding themselves (which is, I admit, a flaw in many, if not most, mailing lists and newsgroups) or the other posts simply haven't arrived yet, which - given that there's one NNTP server serving these posts - is unlikely, but other times it's because there are recursive arguments like the unmentionable recent one, or people simply post to condense previous posts ("So, you wanted Bob Dole for Laurence, but /you/ prefer Michael Landon?"). I'm deathly afraid of this list degenerating into the same kind of thing. Allowing things like In Nomine Music does that. This is NOT a street corner; it's a privately-run mailing list. And the person who owns the mailing list has every right to throw you out, or to tell you what you can and can't talk about in her establishment. Readying the flame-retardant poncho, EDG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 00:07:34 -0700 From: Rolland Therrien Subject: Re: IN> RE: Erik, Prince of Music - -----Original Message----- From: Charles Glasgow To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Monday, August 14, 2000 7:58 PM Subject: Re: IN> RE: Erik, Prince of Music > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "EDG" >To: >Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 9:39 PM >Subject: Re: IN> RE: Erik, Prince of Music > > >> At 03:16 PM 8/14/00, you wrote: >> >> >What's the plus to invocation for the Animaniac's >> >filking of Gilbert & Sullivan? >> >> Doing this summons Kobal instead, with an automatic +6 to his reaction. > >Eh? I mean, hasn't he heard that one *before*? Boooooo-ring! You probably get the +6 Reaction if you do it in a completly inappropriate setting, like, say, the middle of the Vatican. Of course, each time would work only once. In contrast, singing a funeral dirge at an orgy might be worth something similar from Kobal (though Andrealphus might be pissed.) - -Exit the LoneWolg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 21:49:17 +0000 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Haagenti, Demon Prince of Gluttony Haagenti isn't full, by any means, but he's worried that he might be becoming... more empty... <<< Very interesting write-up. :) An intelligent Haagenti...scary thought indeed. :) So he wanders Hell and the Earth, looking for something that can give him joy in devouring once again? ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 23:59:29 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Haagenti, Demon Prince of Gluttony From: "Charles E Smith" > > Very interesting write-up. :) An intelligent Haagenti...scary thought > indeed. :) So he wanders Hell and the Earth, looking for something that > can give him joy in devouring once again? Or possibly gathering enough Essence to facilitate Kobal's return... (Completely agreed about it being brilliantly written, Kris.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:33:55 +1200 (NZST) From: Keith Bolland Subject: Re: IN> Contest: Minor Choirs and Bands. On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, ben wrote: > By popular Maurice demand, you have until Friday to get your Janus minor > choir writeups done! What should we do with 'em once they're written? Do you want them emailed direct to you, or shall we all just spam the list with 'em and you collate them from there? //-- <*> Keith Bolland --------------------------------------- // "Life isn't fair. But the root password helps." -- The BOFH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 00:40:38 -0500 From: Kris Overstreet Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Haagenti, Demon Prince of Gluttony At 09:49 PM 8/14/00 +0000, you wrote: > Haagenti isn't full, by any means, but he's worried that he might be >becoming... more empty... <<< > >Very interesting write-up. :) An intelligent Haagenti...scary thought >indeed. :) Actually, I never said Haagenti was -intelligent.- I said Haagenti is -thinking- for almost the first time in his existence. He's -not- terribly good at it, but he -is- smart enough to know that he's - -not- good at it, so he's taking his time about it... > So he wanders Hell and the Earth, looking for something that >can give him joy in devouring once again? > Sometimes. Sporadically. Haagenti is a bit nervous and afraid, and if he were more intelligent he'd be a LOT more nervous and afraid. As it is, it's difficult to say whether his feeling of worse-than-usual emptiness is only psychsomatic or a symptom of a Great Mystery... }:-{D Redneck (what, you expect me to tell you which? }:-{D ) Kris Overstreet, aka Redneck Gaijin publisher, White Lightning Prod. - www.wlpcomics.com I ***LOATHE*** Microsoft Outlook. Please get Eudora. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:42:06 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Treaty of Austin This is a weird question and one that despite my best efforts I have been unable to relate to L which pretty much ruins our streak. In "Night Music" my favorite of the Revelations Cycle (mostly because I have only one) the city of Austin, TX is a city where the angels and demons of the city have a treaty of agression. All activities and combat is divided into Cold War like tactics instead of out and out combat....indeed for the most part it appears that the Angels consider each other compatriots more than foes and most seem to be out and out friends. While in my game I'm going to have to tinker with the situation to make it an "the biggest secret ever from your superiors" I was curious exactly how people thought this unusual situation might have come about, I couldn't find a description of why the Superiors would allow this or how it came to be about in hear of all reasons...especially requiring the Old Guy not be informed of it. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:51:08 NZST From: "Alex Liddell" Subject: IN> The limits to Lucifer I don't get it mummy (yes down here we spell it with a "u" get over it) how is it that an entire council of Archangels, the Superiors of Heaven can assign a Word where just one Fallen Archangel can do it with a wink. I was considering the limits of Lucifer and just how it is possible that he can do everything the Seraphim Council can. Consider the order of things. Yves (not really an Archangel but given enough provocation can level quite considerable power) Michael (strongest in body - and the first REAL Archangel. Personally kicked Lucifer from Heaven) Lucifer (strongest in mind - the second REAL Archangel, responsible for bringing Light to the world... and manipulating a full 1/3rd of the Host into outright Rebellion) Baal (strongest in persona - the third Archangel and because there never really was much emphasis placed on Baal as an Archangel he just appears to be Michael's comrade in arms without highlighting his own personal achievements.) He is however very powerful. Before the Council, God awarded Words. He made Mike War, Dominic Judgment, Baal Valour and so on. No one disputes God's power. When the Rebellion came and went that duty was assigned to the Seraphim Council.... but why is it that Lucifer the Second Archangel and click his fingers and make the Demon Wordbound where Michael cannot do the same to an Angel. Is it a matter of power or politics that keeps the Archangels from Wording an Angel? If it is power, then Lucifer is AS powerful as ALL the Archangels who show up to council meetings. The burning question is: Is Lucifer really as powerful as all of Hell believes him to be. Or. Why is it that he is so damn powerful. The arguement is that he is JUST another Demon Prince. No one knows really what his word is although Darkness is a good bet. Baal is also a Fallen Archangel as is Beleth and Andrephalus. Why are they not on par with Lucifer. Baal especially. Go forth and ponder the biggest snow job in Hell or Heaven for that matter. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:00:31 +1200 (NZST) From: Keith Bolland Subject: IN> Furfur, Redeemed The post of Furfur as the Archangel of Fortitude got my brain in a ferment... somehow, I just couldn't wrap my head around the idea of Furfur with a Stone-esque Word. This is what I came up with instead - now, granted, it's no less weird, but it seems more appropriate to Furfur. No, I haven't been smoking anything - knowingly, anyway. Feel free to archive, copy, distribute, whatever. I don't love my copyright. [snip] FURFUR Ofanite Angel (not Archangel) of Humility Servitor of Flowers On the face of it, it sounds absurd, doesn't it? A Calabite Demon Prince Redeems (which is pretty weird all by itself) into the Angel of - -Humility-? A Servitor of FLOWERS? Who says Heaven doesn't have a sense of humor? Nobody in Heaven - or Hell - actually knows why Furfur Redeemed, except Furfur himself. The others know only that, one day, a disheveled and miserable-looking Demon Prince appeared outside a Tether to Flowers and begged for mercy, forgiveness, and sanctuary. The Seneschal summoned Novalis, who took one look at Furfur and dragged him off to Heaven. Novalis personally Redeemed Furfur, then took him before the Seraphim Council for its approval. Though the Elohim who examined him warned that the roiling morass of emotions constituting the "old" Furfur still lurked beneath the humble surface of the "new" Furfur, the barrage of Malakite and Seraphic pings telling the Council that he was truly sincere about seeking Redemption proved more compelling. The newly Redeemed Ofanite took no Word, even though several Archangels seriously considered giving him one; he protested his unworthiness for such exaltation, calling himself a sinner, with much to atone for. (Khalid and Laurence were heard to have a 'full and frank exchange of opinions' at that comment.) Novalis took her convert under her wing and made him one of her independent Servitors. Whatever task she gave him to accomplish was accomplished, quickly, uncomplainingly, and without any requests for help - - even when she asked him to protect a famous environmentalist that she had been seriously considering putting every one of her Malakim on to. At that point, Novalis decided she wasn't going to let this one go to waste without a Word. A little political manoevring later, and Furfur found himself called before the Seraphim Council and, despite his every protestation of unworthiness, awarded the Word of Humility. If nothing else, Novalis has a sense of the appropriate. Role in the War As a high-ranking Servitor of Novalis, the new-minted Angel of Humility has been placed in charge of Novalis' few Malakim. Novalis knows that under Furfur, her Virtues' violent tendencies will be well-restrained... and that, should Furfur trip, her blackwings will be there to catch him, or, if necessary, to put him down. These Malakim are not considered Furfur's direct Servitors; rather, he is their co-ordinator. Furfur's task is to see that the Malakim are employed well, and safely, on the rare occasions they are needed to further the Word of Flowers. He takes no personal role in the War, and loathes getting his hands dirty. If a demon attacks him, he will be more likely to retreat than to fight... and if he must fight, he will do so only to restrain. While protecting that environmentalist, he was forced to kill once... and that brought back to his memory all the beings he had butchered as the Prince of Hardcore. Never again. Furfur's Word is a powerful one, easily Archangelic in potential, but Furfur has expressed an active desire -against- climing the greasy pole any further. It remains to be seen whether the ineffable Divine Plan disagrees with him. Manner and Appearance On the Corporeal plane, Furfur favours the same vessels he used while a Demon... but now they have been spruced up. They are well-groomed, unpierced, and wear well-cut suits: either black with a white shirt and tie, or white with a black shirt and white tie. (He considered sackcloth and ashes for a while, but Novalis "advised" him otherwise.) Anybody who deals with him will notice, after a while, that his eyes are always downcast, even when speaking to the most insignificant of beings. Celestially, he looks like a regular Ofanite: a rotating wheel of celestial fire. However, the usual Ofanite urgency is nowhere to be found in Furfur's manner. His fire still spins and burns, but slowly: not leisurely, but more like someone with a great weight on their celestial mind. Dissonance There are no Servitors of Humility, but if there were to be, it would be dissonant for them to sing their own praises, or allow their praises to be sung by others, beyond their true abilities, or to claim credit for something they did not do. Attunements There are no known attunements to the Word of Humility: if Furfur has developed any, he keeps them to himself. Rites All the Malakim Furfur supervises have these Rites. If he were to award them to others, they would probably be given to people who had particularly impressed Furfur with their humility. * Attend a ritual of repentance for any Divinely inspired religion. (Catholic confession, or Protestant, Jewish or Muslim equivalent) * Willingly serve a person of greater worth (spiritual or corporeal, but NOT merely "someone who's richer than you are") than yourself for a full day. (+3 Essence) Relations Furfur is not an Archangel, and thus has typical Angelic relationships with the Superiors: he hews faithfully to the politics of Novalis. History Most of the Demon Princes believe Furfur's Redemption was an inspired (though by what, they're not so sure) continuance of Kobal's elaborate joke. However, it was not: Furfur's Redemption was genuinely on his own initiative. Hardcore is an inherently self-destructive word. Eventually, after one too many acts of furthering the cause of hardcore in the world, Furfur became afflicted with the flipside of hardcore: burnout. He mooched around his Principality for weeks, pondering his situation. Eventually he came to realise that before too much longer he would spiral into a nadir of self-destruction, and, eventually, die horribly, his tortured Forces spinning off into the maelstrom. After some close self-examination, Furfur decided he didn't actually want to die all that much. He realised there was no future for him in Hell, and he had no stomach for the life of the Renegade. That left him with only one place to go. And so he went there. In the throes of his burnout, Furfur is a completely changed celestial. From the loud-mouthed, in-your-face Demon Prince of Harcore, he is the softly-spoken, reserved Angel of Humility. He is almost pathetically grateful for the trust the Council places in him. However, it has been documented that cases of burnout do, sometimes, recover... //-- <*> Keith Bolland --------------------------------------- // "Life isn't fair. But the root password helps." -- The BOFH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 02:53:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> STOP! (was: Yeeeeesh...) On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 BillionSix@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/14/00 1:47:14 PM Central Daylight Time, > pkitty@brainpuke.com writes: > > << The topic of "What music goes well with an In Nomine game" has been > EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN from this list. (That, and the subject "Who would > play whom in an In Nomine movie", overran the list many eons past, to the > point that Beth had to close it down and declare it OFF LIMITS.) >> > > Hmmm. I was rather enjoying the topic. :) Maybe it was worn out a long time > ago, before I joined. But since then there have been new members, with new > tastes, and new songs have appeared. I figure this topic can safely be > returned to once in a rare while, so long as it's not taken to extremes. No, it can not - not on the list. If you do it, Beth will warn you, then Beth will kick you off the list. Trust me here... the only reason that joke was (supposed to be) funny was that it touched on a rather big taboo. (I'm honestly very sorry that I even mentioned it, now...) - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Jesus, this whole church is a fuckin law-suit waiting to happen..." -- Rev. Jesus B. Christ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 02:58:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> STOP! (was: Yeeeeesh...) On 14 Aug 2000, Casca wrote: > On Mon, 14 August 2000, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > > It's been suggested making this list require a password to actually > > join -- and burying the password in the Welcome message. It does > > tempt. Perhaps embed it in various words, where you take the capital > > letters... > > It's got my vote. At least that way the damn thing would get read... Ditto... don't make it too hard to find, though. No puzzles or capital letters - just put it down in the bottom third somewhere, and DON'T use the word "password" near it, to prevent simple searches. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! GET SOME SLACK, CREATE SOME SLACK, OR DIE THESE ARE YOUR *ONLY* CHOICES -- St. Bubba ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 04:37:49 EDT From: SdshowTim@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> The limits to Lucifer [Longish] Answer #1: Because Lucifer knows the Truth. God whispered the greatest joke ever to Kobal, told Michael stuff that would make Sun Tzu go wide eye and explained to Yves exactly how to be perfectly ineffiable. Lucifer got to hear a lot of metaphyics, God had big plans for that boy. After he rebeled God didn't tell anyone else how to give Words, God just made it clear that the Seraphim council could wield that power in the name of God. Thus Lucifer knows the trick, which the Seraphim council employs without understanding. No one is going to trick him out of it, and no one else is going to discover it. Lucifer can go on ruling Hell for ever and ever because granting Words is a neccesary part of being a major player in the War. Answer #2: Because Lucifer kept God's tongue as a souvener. Having killed the Metatron Lucifer took some of those Forces and that's what gives him the power to grant Words and otherwise do things that are obscene. This makes Lucifer more God like in a very literal sense. Theoretically someone could rip those Forces from Lucifer and thus assume the throne of Hell themselves. Of course defeating Lucifer becomes the problem, but once done rulership of Hell can be maintained. Answer #3: Any demon can grant Words, except Lucifer doesn't let them. The demonic symPhony is really just a conglomerate of personal realities, discordiant tones and metaphysical chaos. Lucifer's is the first and loudest and is the overarching Prince. As all demons belong to him he has removed their power to grant words to themselves and those beloning to them. He could lift this ban if he wanted to, but that would be idiocy. Killing Lucifer and taking over as head demon is possible. Its also possible to spin off and great a new Hell. Unless one is able to defeat Lucifer head to head, including his ability to lie people into submission, its not a safe idea to do so. Answer #4: Lucifer didn't get beaten by Michael, God just made Heaven disapear from under Lucifer. Lucifer has an obscene amount of Celestial Forcees and can lie to the Symphony well enough to turn day into night and make the moon made of green cheese without using a Song. He can thus inflict Words upon an individual's symphony and make the Symphony accept it. As the Symphony, and its agents (Angels) have started believing this lie Lucifer has had less and less difficulty inflicting Words. Now he can do so even as punishment, like the Stale Bong Water Word. Answer #5: Fnord. I have seen all of these implinented, from both GM and PC persepective. I'm a fan of #1, with some of #2 thrown in for spice. I think #5 comes closest to canon. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 03:42:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "O. S. Kerr" Subject: Re: IN> I Dunno. "A bloodfeud of Demon Princes" isn't snappy enough, somehow. > > Anybody come up with a good name for a gathering of > > DPs? Especially when gathered as a formal group. > > Myself, I would compare the various dark Superiors to ravens, > and call them a murder of Princes. ^_^ How about a Pride of Princes...? O. ===== ** The trouble with being the Best Man at a wedding is that you never get to prove it. ** ** I minored in behavioral psychology. Tragic irony and human suffering are just hobbies. ** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:25:27 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Saminga! - --On Monday, August 14, 2000 6:30 PM -0700 Michael Walton wrote: > > --- Marc Bowden wrote: >> > I like Saminga! He's just fun! "Soon, the world will be a >> > wasteland. All life will be destroyed, and I, Saminga, shall >> > reign supreme!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!" >> >> It's hard not to have fun with a DP who crosses the line between >> villany and cartoonish supervillany. =) > > CROSSES the line?!? When they saw him, they had to move it! The > only thing that stops Saminga from being a bad joke is that his > Word is one of the most potentially powerful ones out there (and > even then, he's still pretty amusing). > Take a deep breath. Picture the SamingaMobile(tm). Isn't that better? Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 07:27:59 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Censorship - --On Monday, August 14, 2000 11:05 PM -0400 EDG wrote: > > This is NOT a street corner; it's a privately-run mailing list. > And the person who owns the mailing list has every right to throw > you out, or to tell you what you can and can't talk about in her > establishment. > Precisely. And this is also the rule of law in the MUD community. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1782 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.