From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Aug 26 17:20:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA25528 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:20:09 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id RAA22677 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:17:31 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:17:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200008262217.RAA22677@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1793 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, August 26 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1793 In this digest: Re: IN> Janus/Valefor Re: IN>The Extinction Faction of Hell [none] IN> RE: IN> Re: IN> Personal Superior Writeups (WAS: ) IN> Useful or Bizarre? You make the call... IN> Ghost IN> Minor Choir Contest Re: IN> Useful or Bizarre? You make the call... Re: IN> Ghost ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Aug 2000 14:16:29 -0700 From: Eric Bertish Subject: Re: IN> Janus/Valefor > "long wait"? long wait?! i've been waiting for Superiors 3 since it was advertised--i beg and bother local gaming stores (and NOT SO LOCAL gaming stores) nigh weekly, and the answer is always, "there's no interest" or "it's just been sold out". ARRRGGH! sorry for the rant, all.... Give me your mailing address. I'll send you a copy of Sup 3 after I get paid on the 30th. - -- Eric _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:38:58 +0000 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN>The Extinction Faction of Hell Asmodeus's servitors often quietly support the group given that it is working toward's Hell's goals and Kronos of course loves it but also notes some humans may better fall by living. Andrephalus needless to say dislikes it immensley as do Michael and Novalis who view the faction with considerable personal attention (Jean would as well with the depth of Vapula's involvement).<<< Diabolically wicked! :D I can just see where Andrealphus, going along about his business in the brothels of Shal-Mari one day, stops as the Symphony takes a massive pounding, then rushes to Earth to find the vast majority of humans dead of a comet or nuclear warfare or some such. Hey, this brings up something. What happens to Princes whose power depends on humans if the Extinction Factions wins? Andrealphus, Nybbas, Mammon, Fleuriy, Beleth, Valefor, and Furfur would suddenly find themselves outdated and horribly weakened.... ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:06:19 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: [none] I'm doing an extended write-up(don't worry, I'll do it and then post the URL, not mail a quarter of a book to the list. ;^) ) for a Superior idea I had(actually, a matched pair of Archangel and antithesis) and am not sure I remember all the minor superiors for the Archangelic/Princely Opinions part. I'm not including them in the main part, since they're not in the normal writeups, but wanted to have them on hand. Official query: Is this okay to put up on my Web site? It's not using any content from the game books, but I'm following the format of the Superior write-ups to the letter, which could count as a fair amount of content. If it's not, then I'll just post a basic writeup to the list, and send the extended version to anyone who wants it privately. Minor Archangels: Christopher, Archangel of Children Zadkiel, Archangel of Protection Litheroy, Archangel of Revelation Khalid, Archangel of Faith Minor Princes: Alaemon, Prince of Secrets Fleurity, Prince of Drugs Furfur, Prince of Hardcore Mammon, Prince of Greed Magog, Prince of ... ? Am I missing any canon minor Superiors entirely? William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:10:41 -0700 From: Steven Feldon Subject: IN> RE: All known canon superiors can be found at http://www.incyclopedia.org/all-superiors.html, and only the living ones at http://www.incyclopedia.org/superiors.html. You're welcome. :) steve - -----Original Message----- From: William J. Keith [mailto:wjk150@email.psu.edu] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 3:06 PM To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: I'm doing an extended write-up(don't worry, I'll do it and then post the URL, not mail a quarter of a book to the list. ;^) ) for a Superior idea I had(actually, a matched pair of Archangel and antithesis) and am not sure I remember all the minor superiors for the Archangelic/Princely Opinions part. I'm not including them in the main part, since they're not in the normal writeups, but wanted to have them on hand. Official query: Is this okay to put up on my Web site? It's not using any content from the game books, but I'm following the format of the Superior write-ups to the letter, which could count as a fair amount of content. If it's not, then I'll just post a basic writeup to the list, and send the extended version to anyone who wants it privately. Minor Archangels: Christopher, Archangel of Children Zadkiel, Archangel of Protection Litheroy, Archangel of Revelation Khalid, Archangel of Faith Minor Princes: Alaemon, Prince of Secrets Fleurity, Prince of Drugs Furfur, Prince of Hardcore Mammon, Prince of Greed Magog, Prince of ... ? Am I missing any canon minor Superiors entirely? William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 17:48:51 -0700 From: Ryan Elias Subject: IN> Re: "William J. Keith" wrote: > Magog, Prince of ... ? Cruelty. And it looks like you got all the rest. Cheers, Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 00:14:09 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: IN> Personal Superior Writeups (WAS: ) At 6:06 PM -0400 08/25/00, William J. Keith wrote: > Minor Princes: [...] > Magog, Prince of [Cruelty] His writeup appears in Final Trumpet. His Fate is also undetermined, and it's assumed that if he is released, that Gabriel killed him once and for all. Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = tafkaj@thrifty.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 11:31:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Useful or Bizarre? You make the call... This got inspired by a throwaway comment in .innomine. Make of it what you will. :) As always, feedback is a painfully loud need. :) Morgan (FAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of As For Myself, any player that wanted to be a slaveowner in MY game would be officially Just Asking For It, but then I like Bright campaigns. Linking The first known example of Linking transpired by accident. During a particularly hairy situation, two Servitors of Laurence (a Malakite and a rare Bright Lilim) were forced to use the Ethereal Song of Tongues on each other, in order to coordinate a last-ditch attack on a Tether. It worked: fighting like one mind in two bodies, the pair was able to cut through the defenders like a hot knife through butter. After the day was eventually saved, the two sat down and waited for their rapport to end. They're still waiting. Apparently, the two had blundered into a permanent linkage that allowed them to stay in constant mental contract with each other. It was a million to one chance ... but once the Seraphim Council saw that such a thing was possible, the Host was able to duplicate the effect. Depending on the campaign world, this was either a miracle, or very, very unfortunate. Game Mechanics Linking requires the direct intervention of an Archangel (needless to say, Laurence now wants even more to have every Bright Lilim in existence: equally needless to say, all the other Archangels resist this idea strenuously). For some reason, only Malakim and Lilim can Link. The two celestials are brought together, "superimposed" for a brief moment, and emerge with several useful - and permanent - abilities. First and foremost, the Linked pair, if close enough, can silently communicate with each other undetected. The range is normally (the average of the two's total Forces, rounded down, then squared) yards: thus, an 11Force Malakite and a 9 Force Lilim would have an effective range of 100 yards. Emotions are also transmitted. Linked pairs can no more lie to each other than your eye can lie to your spleen. One Linked may use the other's sensorium, at the cost of 1 Essence per ten minutes of use. Secondly, as long as the Linked are within the above range, they always know precisely the other's location. Even if out of range, one can determine the general direction of the other with a Perception Roll. Thirdly, it was discovered that Linking also permits Malakim to use the Lilim resonance (and vice versa), at -2. This ability only works as long as both Linked are alive and conscious. Alternatively, one Linked may access the other's sensorium (at the cost mentioned above) and attempt to make a normal resonance roll. Lastly, linking a Bright Lilim to a Malakite makes it impossible for her to Fall, as long as her partner has not suffered soul-death. There are several problems with the Link: first off, the soul-death of one will cause the immediate Trauma of the other (yes, this means that the Malakite will suffer from Trauma as if he or she was a normal angel), with the duration time multiplied by ten. Second, pain and suffering (but not actual hits) will also transmit themselves over the Link: this can easily translate to a -2 or more on rolls. Lastly, if one Linked is successfully resonated by another celestial, the other must make a Will Roll or suffer equally. It is recommended that only Bright Lilim be allowed to link with Malakim, unless one is running a dark campaign (where such a perversion is not only acceptable, but also encouraged). Such antics may also be acceptable in a bright, low-contrast setting. Variations on a theme In a bright campaign, both Malakim and Bright Lilim eagerly seek Linking. The benefits are obvious: the Malakite is able to rack up Geas in exchange for fulfilling many "Please don't kill me" Needs, the Bright is kept from Falling (and can determine honorable individuals, to boot), and both have an utterly reliable entity guarding their backs. A Linked pair can breeze through merely human opponents as if they weren't even there, with a minimum of disturbance and bloodshed. However, the Linking process in a bright setting is not inevitable. All that the Archangel can do is to make such a deep rapport possible: the rest is up to the angels in question. This can take quite some time (and good roleplaying): a GM is perfectly justified in imposing penalties to rolls until the two personalities mesh, either by long association or by a climatic moment. Two PCs who wish to undergo this procedure should be expected to work at it. They should also expect to pay at least 10 points each for the privilege. The GM may want to consider permitting Linked pairs to share Essence and dissonance. Allowing the later is potentially abusive, in many senses of the word, and should be carefully regulated (it works best when two PCs play a Linked couple, and can freely choose to shoulder one another's dissonance). Adding a further 10 points for this option sounds about right. Bright Linked pairs are effectively mated for the rest of their existence: regular pairings or physical relationships pale in comparison. This is not seen as a particular problem, unless the GM decides to allow spontaneous Links (which can seriously deform existing relationships). Also, nothing and no one can break a Link, once it is complete, short of a direct intervention by God. Dark campaigns, however, have darker consequences. First off, the Link stops being a voluntary union between equals and becomes a domination of the strong by the weak. Depending on circumstances or the type of campaign, either the Malakite or the Lilim (who does not have to be Redeemed) has the whip hand. In either case, the dominant entity has full control over resonance use, Essence control and dissonance allocation (and pays 15 points for the privilege): he or she cannot control the submissive entity's every action, but forcing specific Discords or Geas that encourage obedience is unfortunately common. The dominant entity is also immune to the Trauma problem, although the submissive one is not. If the Malakite controls the situation, he or she tends to run through many, many Lilim. Some of the more powerful Malakim may even have more than one: Superiors have a whole 'harem'. The situation is precisely like the propaganda written by Hell (in happier campaigns) to discourage potential Redemption candidates. Lilim in this type of campaign are constantly in danger of being captured by roving gangs of Malakim, eager to subdue, kidnap and drag their prey to the nearest Tether, in the hopes of being rewarded with a Tempter of their very own some day. Needless to say, Lilith fights such a literal rape of Freedom with full force and bitterness. On the other hand, a Malakite in a submissive role is scarcely better off. The very first action of a dominant Lilim is to force the Malakite to vow "Never allow my Linked partner to come to harm": any dissonance that follows merely reinforces the slavery, as it can be translated into more vows and Geas. The Lilim attempts to keep this control secret for as long as possible, grinding every bit of use out of her unfortunate 'partner' until the Malakite is begging for soul death. The only hope the angel has is that their Superior eventually discovers the enslavement, and breaks the Link (only possible in dark campaigns). Going into Limbo accomplishes the same thing, which is the major reason why Malakim are never ordered to simply break their Hearts and go Outcast. Lilith would be the only reliable source of this type of Link, and doesn't even bother to charge a Geas to the Lilim. The Malakite, on the other hand... PCs are not encouraged to Link to each other in this sort of campaign world, unless they happen to enjoy roleplaying sadomasochistic behavior (and the other PCs can suppress their gag reflexes). One exception to this might be if neither Linked can be dominant: in this case, the full Trauma rules are in effect, neither can foist off dissonance or steal Essence from the other, and all Linkings are accidental. It would also be recommended that either Linked take Mind or Soul hits from harming or betraying the other, or allowing the other to come to harm. Roleplaying this constant conflict (especially if the two can reluctantly see each other's viewpoint) might prove interesting. This option is also available in a bright, low-contrast campaign, but is less likely to be as bitter. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 8/7/00 (this is a guess) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 15:56:27 EDT From: Zeresh43@gateway.net Subject: IN> Ghost Does anyone know the Latin or Greek word for Ghost? I'm going to be introducing a character into my campaign who's one of those guys that seems to just keep coming back after you kill him, and I thought it'd be an interesting pun if his last name was another word for ghost. After all, the second time they encounter him, the PCs will probably turn white and swear they just saw a ghost. Clear Skies Zach "I know who you are! You're the Dee Eee Vee Eee um...Eye El." - --Delerium of the Endless "Don't drink the sludge at the bottom of your coffee cup. Don't drink the cup either. Just the coffee." - --Destruction of the Endless ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:19:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: IN> Minor Choir Contest Greetings from the Dark Side... Anybody got the web addy for the site where the minor Choirs from the contest are compiled? I deleted that message before I thought to write the address down (boy is my face red). By the by, which Superior is up next? I'm rarin' to go, and I _know_ that Maurice will come up with something good. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If all the world's a stage, where does the audience sit?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 17:08:49 EDT From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Useful or Bizarre? You make the call... In a message dated 8/26/00 6:25:56 PM, moelane_1999@yahoo.com writes: << This got inspired by a throwaway comment in .innomine. Make of it what you will. :) As always, feedback is a painfully loud need. :) >> pppbhhh.... :P Aes Sedai in In Nomine? That sounds vile. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 18:17:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas J Howell Subject: Re: IN> Ghost For 'ghost' there's lots of words. 'phasma', 'eidolon', and 'daimon' are fairly common Greek words; 'skia' less so. 'manes', 'lemures', and 'umbra' are common Latin words. 'lemures' might be particularly appropriate as wandering spirits that are mischievous and sometimes dangerous to the living. Hope that helps! TJ Howell ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1793 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.