From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Aug 30 04:10:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA12653 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 04:10:40 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id EAA29899 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 30 Aug 2000 04:08:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 04:08:28 -0500 Message-Id: <200008300908.EAA29899@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1797 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, August 30 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1797 In this digest: IN> Arthurian In Nomine Re: IN> Useful or Bizarre? You make the call... Re: IN> The Demon of Pseudo Science Re: IN> Website Update (With Never Before Seen Content) Re: IN> Personal Superior Writeups (WAS: ) Re: IN>The Demon of Esthetics Re: IN> The Demon of Pseudo Science Re: IN> Arthurian In Nomine Re: IN> Arthurian In Nomine Bad things. Very bad things (Was: Re: IN> It's only a model...) IN> Re Mina sorta not Re: IN>The Demon of Esthetics anymore IN> Re:celestials and gender Re: IN> Re:celestials and gender Re: IN> Re:celestials and gender IN> A Vignette IN> Cheap In Nomine on ebay Re: IN> A Vignette Re: IN> A Vignette Re: IN> Re:celestials and gender Re: IN> A Vignette Re: IN> The Demon of Pseudo Science Re: IN> Arthurian In Nomine IN> Freedom IN> Silly artifact ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 16:04:06 +0930 From: Gnezda Subject: IN> Arthurian In Nomine How about instead if we make up Teenage Mutant Ninja In Nomine Turtles? *duck* :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 02:52:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Useful or Bizarre? You make the call... ate: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:01:13 EDTFrom: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Useful or Bizarre? You make the call... >The smiley makes me suspicious. Have your read/heard >about the _Wheel_of_Time_ series of novels by Robert >Jordan? That was a "ruefully admitting that a literary reference got by me" emoticon, not a "irony" emoticon. I've never actually read anything of his. >If not, there is a group of (exclusively) female >magic users called Aes Sedai, which bond men to them >as Warders. The parallel to the Lilim/Malakite >bond you proposed was striking. That _does_ sound unusual. It's possible that the writeup does have a connection, but at one remove. You see, I came up with the idea after seeing an idle comment made over at .innomine, in Pyramid: maybe the commenter had been reading Jordan's work... Other than that, I can only shrug and point fingers at the Angel of Coincidence. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 8/7/00 (this is a guess) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:08:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of Pseudo Science Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:01:26 -0400From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Demon of Pseudo Science Something I thought up while listening to my Biology teacher rattle on today in college.... I liked it, with one caveat. Where's the mustache? All conmen, snake oil salesmen, and cackling mad inventors have to have mustaches... ...admittedly, he's the demon of _Pseudo_science, not _Mad_ Science, but he could still cackle a little. You never know. He might get promoted to Mad Science someday. Still, nice job. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 8/7/00 (this is a guess) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:38:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Website Update (With Never Before Seen Content) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:29:34 +0000From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> Website Update (With Never Before Seen Content) VERY well done... I can't see shaking up my campaign enough to use him, but I liked him a lot.<<< >LOL! I agree! :) Great job there. Galahad's opinions >on some of the other Archangels cracked me up. One >question though, what are his opinions on Archangels >like Christopher, Litheroy, and Zadkiel? :) Illegible. :) Seriously, he's on fairly good terms with the first two (Children like stories about knights; Galahad found the Grail and revealed it to Heaven), and would just plain love to bring Zaddie along on his next demon-hunting mission, except of course that she's way too overworked to take personal time. Personally, I was leaning towards a Superiors quote to/from Zadkiel, but I tend not to include Minor Superior opinions in my writeups (unless the situation demands, and/or I feel like it; also, fair warning, I personally consider Khalid a Major Superior [personal taste, and thus unlikely to be swayed]). In this case, I am considering making an exception, seeing as somebody actually _asked_... ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 8/7/00 (this is a guess) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:32:15 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Personal Superior Writeups (WAS: ) At 11:07 AM -0600 8/27/00, shadowcat wrote: >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> >At 6:06 PM -0400 08/25/00, William J. Keith wrote: >> >> Minor Princes: >> > [...] >> >> Magog, Prince of [Cruelty] >> >> But note! You didn't see the body! >> > > Is it possable that some of his followers survived? I'd think so. Though probably with a 10 Essence bounty on his head, still. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 03:35:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN>The Demon of Esthetics Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:32:11 -0700 From: Rolland Therrien Subject: IN>The Demon of Esthetics >Here's my first attempt at a Servitor write-up. Tell >me what you guysthink. >- -Exit the LoneWolf Nasty little blob, isn't she? Makes you almost wish you had a normal Shedite on your hands: I mean, with a seven-state serial killer you know where you stand, and if you blow him away, the cops are cool with it once they check the corpse's ID, but just _try_ to gun down a fashion designer at the new fall showing and claim that she was a demon in disguise. Her colleagues might privately agree, but you're still in lots of trouble. As the above might show, the writeup amused me greatly. Some possibilities here. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 8/7/00 (this is a guess) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:10:37 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of Pseudo Science - --On Tuesday, August 29, 2000 3:08 AM -0700 Maurice Lane wrote: > I liked it, with one caveat. Where's the mustache? > All conmen, snake oil salesmen, and cackling mad > inventors have to have mustaches... > > ...admittedly, he's the demon of _Pseudo_science, not > _Mad_ Science, but he could still cackle a little. > You never know. He might get promoted to Mad Science > someday. > Maybe that means he has a fake moustache. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("The Remmington Malakite, shaves as close as a blade...") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 07:12:47 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Arthurian In Nomine - --On Tuesday, August 29, 2000 4:04 PM +0930 Gnezda wrote: > How about instead if we make up Teenage Mutant Ninja In Nomine > Turtles? *duck* :) > Oh, oh, but the Demon of Being Sneidly Whiplash was in-bounds? Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Moe Howard as the Saint of slapstick just leapt into my head. I officially blame you. Yes, YOU.") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:58:30 -0400 From: "Galen G. Silversmith" Subject: Re: IN> Arthurian In Nomine > Return-Path: gnezda@netadvantage.com.au > How about instead if we make up Teenage Mutant Ninja In Nomine Turtles? > *duck* :) Well, there was no duck as far as I can recall in TMN(IN)T. But it is simply a mixture of Cherubim of War, the Sword, Faith and Stone (the turtles), under the guidance of a Cherubim of Destiny (the rat, whatever his name). Their opponents are several Djinn of War, the game, fire, fear, death or other violent faction members, under a Calabim of Dark Humor. =) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:13:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Bad things. Very bad things (Was: Re: IN> It's only a model...) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:54:13 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> It's only a model... >I think #2 is less fun, because you don't really get >the option of the Seraphim Council looking at each >other and murmuring, "You know, God said 'Hands off >_Earth_,' didn't He? And if this place is a >creation of Hell, we can take off the kid gloves..." >And as anyone who's bought GURPS IOU knows, I think >Gor is a _grand_ place to adventure in. With heavy >weapons and a bad attitude. > SMITE! Ha. Ha. Ha. Hah-hah. Hah-hah-hah. HAH-HAH-HAH! MWAHH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAHHHH! (pause) Excuse me. Of course, we couldn't _call_ it Gor unless of course somebody's got prime blackmail material on the author (like his real name), but oh, the possibilities. :) Morgan (FAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of "What, Precisely, Does The Rule "No Unnecessary Violence" Mean In A Gorean Context, Mother? And, Besides, Are The Inhabitants REALLY Humans, Strictly Speaking?"* *Hair-splitting, yes, but insidious. Oh, how insidious. ;) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 8/7/00 (this is a guess) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:22:59 BST From: "nick sands" Subject: IN> Re Mina The vessals thing isnt really a problem, just have gifted by one of the princes with an attunement that lets you create a vessal, like the stone one for kyriotates Or she could have a group of soldiers that she uses, and after each time she has used them they get that little bit more fame and fortune til suddenly their world falls apart and they commit suicide. But i love this charecter, and i intend to use her in my campaign at some point. Keep up the good work. And on said note i just bought the corporeal players guide, what can i say? Drivel, tosh, pointless.. these are the words i would not use. Its a great bit of work, thank you mr Edelstein. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:42:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: sorta not Re: IN>The Demon of Esthetics anymore Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:09:47 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN>The Demon of Esthetics Interesting. I think it's the first time I've seen a Shedite referred to as "she." I've noticed something similiar about Calabites. Not many female types among that Band, either. I can only think of one example, and that involves going outside of canon completely and referencing my own (repeat, amateur, non-canon) work. :) Of course, while we're on gender issues, am I the only one who thinks that using the feminine pronoun would make more sense when referring to Jordi? :) Morgan Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of For that matter, what if sudden changes in gender is a symptom of celestial insanity? Just assume that Gabby's showing universal symptoms and go from there. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 8/7/00 (this is a guess) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 29 Aug 2000 21:04:50 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: IN> Re:celestials and gender On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Maurice Lane wrote: >on 28 Aug 2000 Earl Wajenberg >>Interesting. I think it's the first time I've seen a >>Shedite referred to as "she." >I've noticed something similiar about Calabites. Not Calabim? ;) >many female types among that Band, either. I can only >think of one example, and that involves going outside >of canon completely and referencing my own (repeat, >amateur, non-canon) work. :) apart from Lilim, i think of virtually all celestials as "it" until the celestial in question firmly establishes its (there i go again) gender identity, with Kyriotates, Elohim, and Balseraphs taking the longest to decide. >Of course, while we're on gender issues, am I the only >one who thinks that using the feminine pronoun would >make more sense when referring to Jordi? :) dunno, but i for one disagree with you. a feminine aspect to nature already exists in Novalis. additionally, i see Jordi as neuter moreso than masculine or feminine, remaining true to its celestial nature rather than the gender of any of its hosts. >Petitioner for the Word of For that matter, what if >sudden changes in gender is a symptom of celestial >insanity? Just assume that Gabby's showing universal >symptoms and go from there. my own take on Gabriel's gender swap is that the masculine side of Gabriel was breaking down under stresses from Beliel and Dominic, so Gabriel shunted its personality into a more feminine bent in order to prolong its sanity. unfortunately, this hasn't helped matters.... -=|horsefly|=- "In my opinion, the Devil is simply not thinking big enough." --Pete Sears' gaming group ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:18:03 -0700 From: "Sean McCarthy" Subject: Re: IN> Re:celestials and gender Jordi might be referred to as 'they'. I suggest this only because I am a fan of the 'kyriotate we' concept in which Kyriotates might speak of themselves using the plural. Therefore, when speaking of the Kyriorate of Kyriotates, using a plural might be reasonable. Sean ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:04:24 -0700 From: Rolland Therrien Subject: Re: IN> Re:celestials and gender - -----Original Message----- From: Sean McCarthy To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 2:20 PM Subject: Re: IN> Re:celestials and gender >Jordi might be referred to as 'they'. I suggest this only because I am a >fan of the 'kyriotate we' concept in which Kyriotates might speak of >themselves using the plural. > >Therefore, when speaking of the Kyriorate of Kyriotates, using a plural >might be reasonable. Kyriotates speaking of themselves as "We"... That, and the fact they tend to create a "Hive Mind" effect on their hosts, and they start to sound earily like Borg... That makes me wonder... What if there was, in fact, only one Kyriotate, only with each "individual" kyrio serving as a "Node" of sort for the Kyrio collective conciousness? "We are the Kyrio... You will become our Hosts... Resistance is Futile..." - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 23:04:23 +0100 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: IN> A Vignette "You said you'd explain." The younger woman's voice was brash, deliberately forced and harsh. She caught herself a moment too late. "Please, Mother. I paid." The older woman allowed a long moment of silence before she condescended to reply, letting it stretch out into embarrassment and fear. Finally, she said, "You did. I will." People moved in a stream around them, gaudy t-shirts and bright buttons flashing under the bright overhead lights, more exotic costumes dangling limply in the oppressive heat. A guitar lay across the older woman's lap. From time to time, she ran a finger along the inlay. "The first thing," the older woman said abruptly, "is that we aren't just talking about freedom to, we're talking about freedom from. Freedom of the self requires absolute freedom. Any bargains, any deals, anything can be done through choice, as long as you accept no gifts and give none. To accept anything freely from another person -- without paying for it -- gives them a hold on you." She shuddered, an elegantly brief movement, her dark hair shifting over her shoulders. "It is not acceptable." The other tilted her head in a gesture that might have been innocent once. "But you gain from it. You get something for free. It's a win-win thing. We know deals, we know we're not owing, none of that metaphysical crap . . ." "You know nothing." There was ice in the older woman's voice, old congealed bitterness. "True freedom is beholden for nothing. True freedom is beholden to nothing. How can you claim to be free when you don't know what you are? What made you? Who made you? How many of those creatures, those things touched your soul and left their fingerprints on it?" The younger woman flinched, curling in on herself, her hands tightening where they grasped her upper arms. "I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Please explain." She wouldn't look the other woman in the eyes. "Very well." Her tone was still acid sharp. "When I walked out, do you understand how free I thought I was? All those eyes, those shapes, the wings above, the flames, the voices . . . all gone at last. Nothing but myself. Adam left behind. The Garden further away with every step. I was so proud, so utterly proud of myself for having had the strength to do it. I cast them off and achieved freedom." Her face was a china mask, ideal, perfect, inhuman. "And then I realised how wrong I was. I could never be free from Him. His hands had drawn me from the clay, He gave me life, He created me. I could not -- never -- live with that debt. Do you see His malice? He formed me, He made me as I am. I cursed Him as I walked under the empty sky. I hated myself, but He created me. All I ever wanted was freedom. But how could I be free from Him?" "Lucifer," the younger woman whispered, the word lost in the general hubbub. "The Lightbringer." The older woman granted her a brief nod. Her eyes were absent, lit with the memories of countless years. "He came to me across the waters of the bay, on a path of fire that the sun woke from the waves. I will give you nothing, he said. I will not place such a debt upon you. But I will make a bargain with you. You will be free to do as you wish. The bargain will be your own choice, if you take it. You will be what you choose to make yourself, nothing more, nothing less." "And that was all?" "There was nothing else that I could have wanted more." A dry satisfaction was in the older woman's voice, mingled with something like hunger. "Freedom, true freedom, to make myself free. And it was a bargain. Do you understand that? When I had fulfilled his wish, my debt would be paid. No claims. Nothing owed. Freedom from him when it was done. Freedom to remake myself, to be . . ." She let her voice trail away. "Freedom from anything except yourself," the other murmured. The older woman nodded. "You understand. Bargains are over once they're fulfilled. And bargains are a matter of choice. I give that to you, to all of you. You know precisely what you're giving away when you offer a Geas. It's perfect. Exact. You can sell whatever you want of yourself, but you do it freely. Each of you could choose -- if you wanted to do what I did. I fail to understand . . ." She shook her head. "But it's all a matter of choice, and that gives the freedom to remake one's self. As I did. As I will always do. Freedom is the knowledge that no other being, not even Him, has made you, has touched you, has altered you. Freedom is freedom from all things, even from Him. Anything else is a lie. Everything else is a lie. I am what I am -- who else has ever said that? But I must have freedom. I must be Freedom. I will be what I will make myself. I take no gifts. I give no gifts. I only make bargains, and remain myself. I have chosen, I continue to choose. Morality, ethics -- irrelevant words. The laws imposed by others are chains. Only in choice, in self-creation, can we be entirely free, and only by refusing all gifts and by ensuring that all debts are paid can we know that nothing else forms us. Our actions are irrelevant. The actual bargains which we make are irrelevant. There is only freedom, and the power to create it." The younger woman bit her lip. Slowly, she said, "But how can we ever truly be free in that way? Free from . . . Him?" The older woman smiled, and leaned closer. "I asked that. I remembered the three angels that came behind me with their burning swords. And the Lightbringer told me that there was an answer. Do you want to pay me for that as well?" The younger woman nodded, without a word, without even breathing. "I am what I am," the older woman whispered. White suns blazed behind her eyes, fires in the void. "And one day, I shall be free of Him forever, when he finally has no part in me, not any more, never again. I shall be free of Him, of His creation, of His love. When He is gone. It was that simple." The other began to shake, tiny near-imperceptible movements. Her lips were pressed together, harsh and thin. She didn't dare to speak. "But what a pity." The older woman's laugh was a thing of beauty. "Asking me that cost you your free will. Till the end of your days. Oh, don't blame me, Daughter. Blame yourself. After all -- you didn't have to ask the question. You chose to be a slave. You have nobody to blame but yourself, from now till the end of eternity." Very slowly, the younger woman brought her hands up and spread them over her face, running her fingers up into her hair, in what might have been a stylised gesture of mourning. She still said nothing, but her hands clenched in her hair until her knuckles were white with tension. "Or," the older woman murmured, "until He is dead. Maybe then I will let you rest." - --- Genevieve (who doesn't necessarily say that this is her take on Lilith, but who got an image and had to run with it) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:58:36 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Cheap In Nomine on ebay For those haven't caught the ebay addiction... http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&query=nomine There's a main book that someone's getting for about $17 (including S&H) where the bidding ends tomorrow, a couple of Night Musics for fairly cheap, an APG with a starting bid of $5 (it's definitely worth _that_ much! Even in _my_ opinion! O:> ), a Superiors 3 going for $5 (?!), a hardback main book for $18 and a softcover (I think) for $10... (Nah, I don't get any bennies if you decide to bid on these -- but it appeals to my vanity if the books get bid up _some_, y'know. Consider it a public service announcement. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:14:24 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> A Vignette Yum. Okay, now I have to type _this_ in, if Iolanthe will let me. - ---- "Adam was beautiful, too," she said, not to me but into the darkness. Earlier I had asked her -- begged, pleaded -- why I wanted her so, when I was never made for such hungers. She hadn't answered. "Brown and tawny," she continuted, not moving save to speak and breathe, not conjuring images with Song or hands of even a tilt of head. "His eyes were the color of fresh-dug earth, rich and deep. Every time I saw him, I wanted to touch him, stroke his chest and face, trace the muscles in his shoulders and back. Hold him within me and see the pleasure on his face..." She paused, just long enough for me to wonder if I should speak, then went on. "It's true, though, that legend that he would not be the one with his back to the grass. He had -- we had -- no clue how to ensure my pleasure as well as his, that way. It wasn't just that, though. He rarely wanted to explore, to know what was beyond the Gardemn, or why there were only two of us, or what made the sky blue, or any other thing I wondered about. He was not curious. Maybe he was supposed to be stability when I was randomness, the anchor to my kite, but when I returned after a day or two exploring, he never asked, 'Where did you go?' Always, it was 'Why weren't you here?' And he never listened to my reply, just as he never listened when I suggested some new position that might amuse us both. But he was beautiful, and leaving him was the hardest part of walking away." I reached out and touched her shoulder, soft and satin, white in the dark room. Even exhausted as she had already made me, my vessel tried to respond to the contact; I did not pull away. "Is that true?" I asked, which would have been anane if the night had not felt so ancient. She was silent for a moment, but then she answered, "It's what I remember." Her hair rustled as she shifted, shrugged. "But it was a long time ago, and I have spent much time with the Lightbringer since. Make of that what you will." And then she turned to me again, and I could not speak or wonder or think of anything but the sensual web of Her, until it seemed my soul was rent asunder. And so I must plead guilty to the charge of consorting with the Princess, though lust had not been in my heart when I first approached her. And I cannot tell if the information I gained was worth it. - --transcript from the trial of Zerahiah, Seraph of Destiny - ---- While my conception of her could easily _say_ such a thing, the truth of it? Make of it what you will -- I'm not sure myself. Fnord. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 01:00:38 +0100 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: Re: IN> A Vignette >Yum. Okay, now I have to type _this_ in, if Iolanthe will let me. Lovely.Yes, I can imagine that of her. Poor Zerahiah. Someone should really tell Seraphim not to hang around with Lilith... (Go, Shub-Iolanthe!) - --- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:30:07 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re:celestials and gender At 9:04 PM +0000 8/29/00, -=|horsefly|=- wrote: >On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Maurice Lane wrote: [...] >>many female types among that Band [Calabim], either. I can only >>think of one example, and that involves going outside >>of canon completely and referencing my own (repeat, >>amateur, non-canon) work. :) There's a Calabite of Death, IIRC the Superior, in the Liber Servitorum who is female. IIRC. > apart from Lilim, i think of virtually all celestials >as "it" until the celestial in question firmly establishes >its (there i go again) gender identity, with Kyriotates, >Elohim, and Balseraphs taking the longest to decide. My personal take is that Kyriotates and Elohim are "it" more often than not -- some of them have a favored gender and soem do not. I'd go into this more, but I have a baby going "Ummmmmmmm! Uhhhhhhhh! MMMMMMMMM!" at me. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 20:32:55 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> A Vignette At 1:00 AM +0100 8/30/00, Genevieve Cogman wrote: >>Yum. Okay, now I have to type _this_ in, if Iolanthe will let me. > >Lovely. Yes, I can imagine that of her. Poor Zerahiah. Someone should really >tell Seraphim not to hang around with Lilith... FWIW, while the narrator was originally going to be a blackwing, it sort of transformed into a Destiny Seraph. Don't ask me why, I'm not sure. Further, in my own head, this is the poor fool who was talking to her in the FotM writeup history/vignette. (Canon? I doubt it will ever become canon that this is a "companion piece." Whatever.) >(Go, Shub-Iolanthe!) She babbles with lots of apostrophes. Lots of them. It's somewhat alarming. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:29:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of Pseudo Science - --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Cute. One of the better Vapulan servitors I've seen. > > As a Balseraph, doesn't Physter have to *believe* the various > forms of nonsense he peddles, at least while he peddles them? > How about a Habbalite, instead, inflicting gullibility on his > victims? > > By the way, why did you name him after sperm whales (genus > name Physter)? Maybe the old boy tells real whoppers... actually, though, the genus name for sperm whales is *Physeter* (note the extra "e"). The full species name is Physeter catadon, if anyone cares. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If all the world's a stage, where does the audience sit?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:43:01 GMT From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: Re: IN> Arthurian In Nomine >How about instead if we make up Teenage Mutant Ninja In Nomine Turtles? >*duck* :) > It's sad but I can see it. Well, At least the characters are appropriately named. (Michelangelo & Raphael) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:29:55 +0930 From: Gnezda Subject: IN> Freedom I've just been pondering this whole concept of 'freedom' for the last few weeks, and that Lilith mail inspired me to share my views. :) No-one can ever be *truly* free. I've always been an eternal optimist, so this doesn't really sound much like 'me' but still... The point is, the more 'free' you become, the more 'free' you have to be in order to remain feeling free. In effect, you become a slave to freedom with every 'free' step you take. One example I'll give to help prove my point. I've worn glasses almost my entire life and have to wear them practically 24 hours a day except for when I'm sleeping. But a few weeks ago I had laser surgery on my eyes (well, one eye, the other's still gotta be done in a couple of weeks). But looking at the world for the first time in a *looong* time without glasses gave me a huge sense of freedom, I no longer had to wear glasses. However, if anything ever happens to my eyes and I'm forced to wear glasses again, I'd most likely feel even more enslaved than I was before, because I'd have known how it felt without glasses yet must then go back to wearing them. Before I really had no idea how it was without them (and still getting a clear picture... :)). So, in this respect, I must do more things in order to maintain this 'freedom'. Like I said, you become a slave to Freedom. Just my take on it anyway. Milan :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 10:07:30 +0100 From: "Laurent" Subject: IN> Silly artifact Every day, on my way to work, I cross a street full of cats, and I see pigeons on every roof top. And every time I think 'ow, ain't they all fluffy and cute'... I got a silly idea from that, which I'm really ashamed of, but can't get off my head. So I thought I'd just post it to the list, maybe it'll cure me! The Fluffyficator Kobal's version of the Purificator (see Liber Reliquarum, page ??) is usually based on a magnum .44 or Beretta (anything that looks impressive and where there's enough room to engrave the name, actually). It doesn't contain any bullets, though, so it never needs to be reloaded. Also, it doesn't do any damage when it hits. To fire the Fluffyficator, the user must spend 1 Essence and roll his/her pistol skill. If the roll is successful, the target automatically gets a temporary Fluffy discord. The level of the discord and the time it lasts (in hours) is equal to the level of the artifact. A victim of this discord won't suffer any penalty. Fluffy is a variation of the Hairy discord and should be treated like it, except for reaction rolls: any person who didn't see the change will see it as a Hairy discord, but those who did see it happening will be unable to harm the victim for rounds, the victim being so cute and lovely and all... (cats and pigeons get a special bonus!) Kobal recently started to produce Fluffyficators based on Uzi, full-auto machine guns, grenades and rocket-launchers (explosives spread the discord in a yards radius). Some are afraid bomb versions could appear on the market. I don't have my books with me, so I can't calculate the price for it, but it shouldn't be too expensive, considering it's a pretty useless artifact. I sincerely apologize, Laurent. By the way, I wrote up Lynoure, Demon Princess of Shadows with Moe's help. I might have one or two things to change, but I'll post it if enough people are interested. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1797 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.