From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Aug 31 23:37:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA08674 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:37:45 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id XAA02783 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:36:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:36:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200009010436.XAA02783@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1800 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, August 31 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1800 In this digest: IN> Malakanaries. 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Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) IN> The Eunuchs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:00:02 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Malakanaries. [The following is hardly canon, may in fact be twistedly munchkin, and is in all likelihood somewhat silly.] In the rough, tough, get-killed-fighting-evil-6-times-before-breakfast subculture of the Malakim, there are... well, wimps. They're corporeally weak and not very bright. Their combat skills focus more on Dodge than smiting. They have oaths like "Report trouble even if I have to run away to do it." You don't hear about them much, but nearly every Archangel has them. The Archangels call this small minority of Virtues "Forward Observers." Their fellows call them "Stalking Goats." Demons, and some angels, call them... Malakanaries. Much like the canaries that miners took with them into caves, watching to see when the birds keeled over from bad air, Malakanaries are meant to do one thing, and one thing only: Die. Often unexpectedly. A Malakanary always has only one Corporeal Force, and usually only two Ethereal ones. All the rest (minimum four) are Celestial. Malakanaries are never fledged angels -- what reliever would aspire to the life of a seeming coward and wimpy scout? Besides, the Archangels prefer to give these Virtues their oaths from the beginning, to ensure that the Malakanaries know that their way of fighting evil is to run away and bring back their brawnier, smarter siblings. They always are granted the Celestial Song of Tongues, at level 6, the Emote skill at level 1 or better, and at least three vessel/1s. These vessels _look_ hefty, tough, and mean. (A few possess a vessel that looks very much like their Archangel's favorite form.) They frequently have Summonable weapons, Dodge skill, and the Celestial Song of Motion. Their Hearts are always under observation, with guards (mostly other Malakim who have a vessel but are not yet ready for true Earth duty). Sometimes off-duty angels drop by to hang out, spar with the guards, or tutor them in Earth customs. By custom, a Kyriotate is always to be present. When they encounter a dangerous diabolical problem, Malakanaries rush into battle, acting as if they are in a vessel/6 with subdermal armor. Then they croak at the first blow. _Then_ they show up with a bunch of their buddies who _do_ have vessel/6s and possibly even the sub- dermal armor, as well as heavy weaponry. (They have no social skills, but hey.) The Kyriotate in attendance sends 3 of its Forces to take a celestial form on Earth -- if the Malakim run into more trouble than they can handle, the Kyriotate invokes its Archangel. This usually solves any problem that is amenable to Mass Destruction. Should demons get suspicious, or otherwise not be striking to kill, the Malakanary dodges about, taunting the demons into killing blows. (It doesn't take much to kill a Malakanary, after all.) If need-be, they may even take their own corporeal lives! Anything, to report back and bring down the blackwinged Wrath of God upon the foe. It's an ignomenious sort of blow against evil, but hey -- it's unexpected, and the Malakanaries proudly keep score of the times they've "successfully" died and brought back a posse which toasted the demon(s) in question. And if anyone mocks them, they need only ask, "And how many times have _you_ died for Heaven?" - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:06:53 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) At 10:14 AM -0700 8/31/00, Casca wrote: >Servitors of Nitpicking, I rebuke thee. We're not nitpicking. We're problem-solving a way to kill this foul creature that you exposed us to. No, really, it's _praise_. It's disgusting enough that we're all trying to plot ways to stomp it into the ground. (Mine, which I'm not going to go into, involves Memory Pearls and Geases.) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:12:18 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> New discord for Calabim >From: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:40:29 -0500 >To: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Admin request of type /\buns\w*b/i at line 6 Admin request of type /\buns\w*b/i at line 7 > >From: "Laurent" >Subject: Re: IN> New discord for Calabim >Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:39:51 +0100 > >Ryan wrote: > >> Pretty positive that it's in the main book, under the Calabite band >> description (that's why Vapula won't be having Calabim in Tartarus, and >> why they always look so unkempt). >It says Vapula doesn't have any Calabim because they are too u n stable. But it >doesn't give any idea of how this u n stability manifests. > >> My only complaint with the discord as written is that I think it's far too >easy on the afflicted >> calabite. Make it once every (30 min/level of discord) and we're cooking. >Wow. I, personally, wouldn't go that far. The duration of the cycle, could >be a GM call, after all. >What I would do, however (again, personally) is make it the default discord >for starting Calabim characters. It helps for interpretation. > > >Beth wrote: > >> I think the IPG has a Discord for Calabim that's already about what you >> described. Let me see if Io-chan will let me look without eating the >pages... >> >> Yup, p. 41, Aura of Entropy. Drastically accelerated entropic field >effects. > >Thanks, Beth! Probably one of the next books I'll buy... > > >Laurent. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:10:01 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Judging the Powers >I like the exiled Elohim story, but I disagree with your explanation. >I'm not sure upon what you base your assumption that angels must follow the >Ten Commandments. Mainly I base it on the fact that while Angels arn't bound by the Ten Commandments (which are for mortals) their supposed to honor the spirit of them (or as Novalis says "Every Religeon comes down to Respect and Love for one another"). A Malakite can if he is to save lives blow up a football stadium if it will save more but doing it because you believe the short term benifits outweight the long term affect on humanity...and indeed will help terrorism be combated... However Dominic looks at this VERY carefully and if you so help you God had any other choice than wholesale mass murder or if it wasn't WAY AND BY FAR the better choice, your soul-dead...or in this case, exiled. Again here I imagine the Elohites have simply by Dominic's words given up their ethics to become completely ruthless because Ethics themselves are subjective by some view points...Clarietta the Archangel of the Veil is a good example of this (By Charles E. Smith posted earlier and a master of the Good/Evil Elohite). The Elohim of this game are corrupted as the Grigori by their own "souless"-ness. (imagine the Habbalite of Gun Control from David's page carrying out the school shootings he's described as doing without being emotionally involved/still a Habbalahite however it doesn't matter because he's causing long term gun control and the kids aren't meeting their fates....another Elohim believes freedom is a danger to humanity and uses his resonance to get the constitution abolished and cameras put in everyone's house, it's all for heaven and this isn't because of anger, it's because it is a fact that a watched populous is less likely to achieve it's fate....another Elohim begins working on addictive drugs in order to get people to do what the Elohite want like achieve their destiny). >Surely, if this were true, the entire choir would be besotted with >dissonance? Not dissonate at all. A Malakite vowed to suffer not an Evil to Live, Never Surrender, Never Make love if it is not my choice, and never allow a Servitor of lust to live if it is my choice. Walks into a brothel and opens fire with an uzi.... Is not going to get Dissonant but he's likely to get soul death by Dominic....or exile until he learns what exactly his oaths are SUPPOSED to mean. At least that's my .02 - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:16:27 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Judging the Powers >I would point out, however, that existing sources say Jean grumbles when >the humans figure something out he doesn't want them to, but accepts >it. True this is a point....though I was comming up for rather "heaven in reverse" reasons for why Dominic might want to exile the Elohites.....so i got a little carried away there. :-) >Now, if Hell figured out a way to cure these things and told the human ... >Hmm. You know, I could see Anrdre backing a no-strings-attached cure for >all disease. Sure, many Princes would want the life's blood of virgins >involved or something else that twisted people towards Hell, but for >Andre's Word, removing sexually transmitted diseases would be >great. Removing other diseases would be a bonus, the more humans the merrier. >A version of Jean that DID stifle human innovation would work nicely for >some campaigns. Now this is a very interesting scenario right here. What do Angels do when they discover Demons are doing things that are good? We know David is a great believer that "If you get everything free in life your not strong" at least that's the way I look at him, and would view the proverbial Eden (where everything is provided freely and no one works) as disgusting. Yet imagine if Nybbas, Fleurity, Haagenti, Andrephalus, and Vapula join together in a alliance to create a world where there were "no consquences". You could have sex as often wherever with whoeever or whatever you wanted You could shoot a man and medical technology would preserve him indefinately with a wholesome and healthy life. You could take as many/as much drugs as you like and not have a hangover or die (unless you wanted to) You could eat as much as you want without gaining a pound All while looking great.... In fact as a minister this is what I put in my still manuscript book as what Hell IS Working for eesh. Nybas has it on TV how long til people like Jean and David see it as becomming reality? - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:28:48 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> Judging the Powers > Mainly I base it on the fact that while Angels arn't bound by the Ten > Commandments (which are for mortals) their supposed to honor the spirit of them. I can't find any evidence of this in my books. Of course, some Archangels like some of the Ten Commandments, and some hate some of the Ten Commandments, but this doesn't mean much with regards to passing judgement on a choir of angels. Maybe the Elohim were working on the Sabbath. *blink* > A Malakite vowed to suffer not an Evil to Live, Never Surrender, Never Make > love if it is not my choice, and never allow a Servitor of lust to live if > it is my choice. Walks into a brothel and opens fire with an uzi.... A Malakite who kills humans doesn't become dissonant. An Elohite who is subjective DOES become dissonant. Dominic, in this story, has accused the Elohim of being subjective. > -Charlemagne Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:44:13 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Marches Maybe it's just the Dante's inferno/Dante's Paradisio in me but I tend to view the Marches as a Triangle.... At the Center of the Triangle is the Earth. On one end is Beleth's Side of the Pyramid with her tower surounded by the "globes" of Darkness which contain people who dream about their worries, horrors, inner fears, and suppressed desires that are manifesting in a horrofic way. A Globe might be a room or a world depending on the Dreamer itself....most last only a night and some are only vague outlines that cannot be identified or touched by a Dream walker. These are the daydreams and imaginations of the sick and twisted.... The desire to be punished for one's sins, the desire to hurt others despite how guilty you feel for it, and acts of goodness expressing themselves as violence..... Larger globes and spinning planets are dreams that are shared and are fueled by both daydreams and nighttime visions. These things are worlds where a dream has become reality....a Nazi Dominated globe was likely to overwhelm Beleth's side of the Marches during WWII....the same with the Stalin-esque square. Objects in the Dreamlands sometimes appeare seperately in correspondence roughly to reality. For instance a LSD house where horrofic nightmares were reality and an aslylum where the patients were terrorized rather than cured...often these are tethers. However on occasion a man dreams of greed/revenge/etc that it builds for himself that is real and not a dream....his essence feeds it. When he dies or stops dreaming about it, it will dissapear unless some share it. For instance in Beleth's side of the Marches you may find the chainsaw of Leatherface....just sitting there ready to be used, just beware of picking it up as Ethereal inhabitants are created as often as these dreamscapes.... People have dreamed of the Hook for years so as long as they assume the Hook is the same man, that one ethereal will be an immensley powerful ethereal stalking Beleth's lands. However if people told stories about the Fishermen from I know what you did last summer as NOT the guy responsible for the OTHER hook stories, the essence wouldn't go to Hookey. For instance Hercules the pagan god is very different from the heroic Hercules the Hero from TV yet if Herc accepts the ssence it will change him and he will thrive because the series says the Herc on TV is the same as the one in the past. On Blandine's side of the Marches we have much the same with dreams devoted to Universal Harmony, EThereal Luke Skywalkers and King Arthur's wandering about righting wrongs next to dreams of yourself as the Good Dictator of Whooville. All things that are innately good are here just as Hellland is filled with innate evil. This is not negioatable and what is Evil/Good will go here even if one does not believe himself to be the other. However.... on the THIRD side of the Triangle is the Far Marches.... This side of the pyramid is just freaking weird. I insinuate that this is the place in the Marches where Dreams are that are neither innately good or innately evil. Neizteche's dream of the Superman, Machievelli's the Prince, wanders in worlds where Elemental beings of fire think thoughts of fire, Animals and Humans who simply dream of survival, and Eldritch concepts take shape. The Dreams of Trees, Plants, sit next to the bastions of the Old pantheons where morality takes a backseat to physical aspects and payment yet they are not judged for it. Pure chaos realms where one momment it is a grassy meadow and the next momment is a steaming storm some typical dreamscapes while another might be a mathmatical world where Einstein's theory of Relativity is personified. Dragons which are born of humanity's desire to be free of consquence/choice/and simply dominate their enviroment without thought or good to ill are born here....as well as unicorns to be one with nature and be passive... The Tsyadim stalk these marches I think most because the Ethereals are so plentiful and alien here. I think also they're called the Far Marches because they are much larger than Beleth and Blandine's side of the marches....the choices all between good and evil...and the demonstration the War is driving humanity further in apathy and rebellion. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:47:10 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: Re: IN> The Marches >How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Er, don't answer >that... One of my Olfanim of Wind bought a 12 Agility just to do this..... So the answer is three by the way if your in a vessel and have high acrobatics. Oh well....incredible description of the Marches. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:43:01 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) "Galen G. Silversmith" wrote: > Lilith would want his head on a plater. Pure and simple. Why? - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:38:42 GMT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) >From: David Edelstein >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) >Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:43:01 -0500 > >"Galen G. Silversmith" wrote: > > Lilith would want his head on a plater. Pure and simple. > >Why? > I was wondering that. He seemed like an equal opportunity rapist ... jo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:50:06 EDT From: Zeresh43@gateway.net Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) >>"Galen G. Silversmith" wrote: >>> Lilith would want his head on a plater. Pure and simple. >> >>Why? >> >I was wondering that. He seemed like an equal opportunity rapist ... Because Lilith doesn't like rape in general. There is someone who is losing their freedom because of rape. I think it says that somewhere in her writeup, or maybe I'm just making that up. Still, it sounds good :-) Clear Skies Zach "I know who you are! You're the Dee Eee Vee Eee um...Eye El." - --Delerium of the Endless "Don't drink the sludge at the bottom of your coffee cup. Don't drink the cup either. Just the coffee." - --Destruction of the Endless ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:16:53 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) > >>> Lilith would want his head on a plater. Pure and simple. > >> > >>Why? > >> > >I was wondering that. He seemed like an equal opportunity rapist ... > > Because Lilith doesn't like rape in general. There is someone who is losing Odd. I can imagine individual Lilim wouldn't object to rape at all. A Need/5 is a Need/5 Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:28:38 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) From: > > Because Lilith doesn't like rape in general. There is someone who is losing > their freedom because of rape. That was my impression, as well... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:03:37 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) At 5:50 PM -0400 8/31/00, Zeresh43@gateway.net wrote: >>>"Galen G. Silversmith" wrote: >>>> Lilith would want his head on a plater. Pure and simple. >>> >>>Why? [...] >Because Lilith doesn't like rape in general. There is someone who is losing >their freedom because of rape. I think it says that somewhere in her >writeup, or maybe I'm just making that up. Still, it sounds good :-) I don't think it's in ehr writeup, per se. Mind, this fellow is as disgusting as any three Shedim squashed together... - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 2000 16:28:16 -0700 From: Eric Bertish Subject: Re: IN> New Adventure Setting: Prelude On Thu, 31 August 2000, Maurice Lane wrote: > Moe (Hey, I _liked_ the scenario. It's a neat idea. > I'm just gonna [gleefully] run with it differently.) I know you didn't mean it like this, Moe, but I do want to clear something up: I don't dislike the scenario, EDG. I'm simply having trouble buying the notion that Dominic could be that pigheaded, as it flies in the face of Canon. I'll happily go along with it if gave some reason -why- Dominic was acting like an ass... _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:58:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Suggestions? - --- Charles E Smith wrote: > Hi everyone! After joining and semi-lurking, I've decided to pop up > to > ask a question. You see, I'm starting a tutoring job up at the > college I > go to and since I have this extra money, I've decided to spring for > the > official IN books so I can keep up with the rest of you. :P I was > wondering if you guys and gals had any suggesstions? I would actually spring for the player's guides first (Angelic, Infernal, and Corporeal -- we're still waiting for Ethereal!). _Then_ get the GM's Guide and Superiors books. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If all the world's a stage, where does the audience sit?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:01:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Silly artifact - --- Laurent wrote: > By the way, I wrote up Lynoure, Demon Princess of Shadows with Moe's > help. I > might have one or two things to change, but I'll post it if enough > people > are interested. By all means, lets see Lynoure! As for the Fluffyficator... seek professional help. o;;;> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If all the world's a stage, where does the audience sit?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:04:42 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> New Adventure Setting: Prelude From: "Eric Bertish" > > I'll happily go along with it if gave some reason > -why- Dominic was acting like an ass... It did. Reread the part covering how Dominic reacted after the Elohim left. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:05:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Contest Posted. - --- "Erich S. Arendall" wrote: > For those of us who have forgotten, new to the list, or not paying > much > attention - where do we send those submittals to? Just post 'em to the list, Ben will do the rest. But Archangel Beth sez no HTML or MIME -- text only! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If all the world's a stage, where does the audience sit?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:16:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Marches - --- Gnezda wrote: > Just thinking, how big do y'all imagine the Marches to be? I mean, > what > things would qualify being in the Marches? According to canon, the Marches are a separate plane of existence. The Ethereal Plane is not the creation of human imagination, but it is shaped by humanity's dreams. Thus, different people's opinion of me doesn't effect who I am -- but it would effect how those people perceive me if they ever meet me in dreams. The denizens of the Marches are another story. They are the creations of human imagination and folklore. As a particular body of myth changes, the beings created by that myth change how they appear in the Marches and how they behave anywhere. Bottom line: If the human race ceased to exist, the Marches wouldn't go away. They'd just be a lot more boring. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If all the world's a stage, where does the audience sit?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:24:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New discord for Calabim - --- Laurent wrote: > Calabim destroy things not because they enjoy it > (although most of them do), but because they have to destroy or be > destroyed. > Now the discord (I didn't find any good name for it... Entropy Leak? > Incontinence??) How about, "Caustic Soul?" > Destroyers affected by this discord find it hard to contain their > power. If > they don't "unload" it at least once every <24 divided by discord > level> > hours, it will start dripping from their soul, causing minor damage > to > everything they touch. This is a good idea that opens up new possibilities for RP (nonviolent Calabim -- what a concept!). I might adjust it a bit so that the entropy build-up has visible effects -- say, symptoms that look like physical illness. The one problem I see as far as IC consequences is that a Calabite with this Discord becomes very obvious if he's not doing his job; DP's would probably destroy them without mercy. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If all the world's a stage, where does the audience sit?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:36:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Marches - --- Tim Groth wrote: > >Earl, I must say, that's the best description of the Marches I've > ever > >heard! Motion seconded. So, the Collective Unconscious is where the energies that > animate > >Pagan Gods come from, huh? Er... no. The energies that empower the Pagan Gods come from the Corporeal Plane in the form of Essence from mortals. > > I think for fictional characters ethereals may be created, as long as > their > is enough of a 'following'. There is definetly a Startrek and > Starwars > 'pantheon' out there in the Marches. Devotion can make up for > numbers. In the case of those two examples, there's both devotion and numbers. But here's a thought: the two most powerful Ethereals in the Marches (IMHO) are not worshipped, but they each have annual celebrations in their honor that generate vast amounts of Essence. One is empowered by a nation of over 270 million people, the other is revered all over the world. They are, respectively, Uncle Sam and Santa Claus. Thoughts on this, anyone? ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If all the world's a stage, where does the audience sit?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:04:02 EDT From: Zeresh43@gateway.net Subject: IN> Santa Claus >In the case of those two examples, there's both devotion and numbers. >But here's a thought: the two most powerful Ethereals in the Marches >(IMHO) are not worshipped, but they each have annual celebrations in >their honor that generate vast amounts of Essence. One is empowered by >a nation of over 270 million people, the other is revered all over the >world. They are, respectively, Uncle Sam and Santa Claus. Thoughts on >this, anyone? I think Santa Claus is a Fallen Seraph of Children who is now a Balseraph in the service of the Media (it seems that Santa Claus no longer represents the spirit of giving but the spirit of spending a lot of money on junk from department stores). But that's just my theory. I would do a writeup on him, but that'd just get weird. :-) Clear Skies Zach "I know who you are! You're the Dee Eee Vee Eee um...Eye El." - --Delerium of the Endless "Don't drink the sludge at the bottom of your coffee cup. Don't drink the cup either. Just the coffee." - --Destruction of the Endless ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 01:18:30 GMT From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Santa Claus >I think Santa Claus is a Fallen Seraph of Children who is now a Balseraph >in the service of the Media (it seems that Santa Claus no longer represents >the spirit of giving but the spirit of spending a lot of money on junk from >department stores). But that's just my theory. I would do a writeup on >him, but that'd just get weird. :-) Revelations III mentions in passing that Santa Claus (modern version) was a creation of Mammon. There may have been a 'real' Saint Nicholas or not, but Mammon was the one who took his legend and created the commercial icon known as 'Santa Claus'. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:41:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Contest Posted. > Tell your friends! Tell your enemies! Asmodeus is the next one, and > I will > be collecting submissions next Tuesday. I know all of you have ideas > batting around your brains, so let's see 'em. I know the deadline's not till Tuesday (hmm, that sounds like a great name for a band...), but this was burning a hole in my hard drive. Enjoy! Mastinim "The Accusers" The judge banged the gavel for silence as the prisoner was brought into the courtroom. The defendant walked in with his head high and looked each juror in the eye as he passed. For a man accused of multiple murders, he seemed awfully confident of acquittal. No surprise there -- the Archangel of Judgement didn't take kindly to Soldiers of God being punished for killing Hellsworn. When the prisoner reached the stand, I contrived to take his elbow and help him in. Not that he needed it, but bailiffs are expected to do that sort of thing. Besides, I needed it. I felt the world shift as I worked my mojo, and faces hardened throughout the jury box as the do-gooder began his testimony. I smiled inwardly -- before the day was out, the Runt with the Sword would have one less operative on the street. A Mastinite is a walking miscarriage of justice. Asmodeus uses them to shift the odds of the Game in Hell's favor. They never break the rules; that would be cheating. Instead, Mastinim create the perception that someone else is cheating At that point, the rules change. Asmodeus only allows Mastinim to work for him. He rarely loans them out and never trades them to other Princes. On the rare occasions when an Accuser is allowed to do an outside job, the assignment is a one-time deal -- that particular demon will never be allowed to work for that Prince again. Because of this policy and the rarity of Mastinim, requests for their services are rarely granted. Resonance The Accusers resonate with guilt. This is not a watered-down version of the Habbalite or Elohite Resonances, which deal with feelings of guilt. Mastinim can create (or mask) the appearance of guilt. In effect, they can inflict an aura of guilt or innocence on someone that causes others to respond to the victim accordingly. With a touch and a successful Resonance roll, an Accuser imposes levels of Charisma on the target equal to the CD. This is normal Charisma for an aura of innocence or negative Charisma for a guilt-aura. Either way, the aura lasts for a number of hours equal to the demon's Celestial Forces. (24 hours on an Infernal Intervention). Mastinite-inflicted Charisma only applies to attempt's to ascertain the subject's guilt or innocence. Because the aura is a form of illusion, anyone with the Seraph of Destiny Attunement can see through it by touching the affected party. Dissonance Real innocence is anathema to Accusers. They cannot take any action to defend those who are innocent of whatever they've been accused of. This means that a Mastinite cannot testify on behalf of an ally who is being held on trumped-up charges. A Mastinite also incurs Dissonance if she tries to impose a guilt-aura on an innocent person and fails. This Dissonance is removed if the demon uses her Resonance on that person again and succeeds with a higher CD than that of the failed roll, but each subsequent failure adds more Dissonance (a success where the CD is too low has no effect). Manner and Appearance Mastinim are smooth talkers and sharp dressers. They pride themselves on their professionalism. Accusers hate getting dirty -- especially metaphorically -- but they like to have dirt on others. Mastinim have no gender preference for their Vessels, but they love the "lean and hungry" look. Behind an Accuser's slick façade is a raving paranoid. In a Mastinite's personal Symphony, everyone is guilty of something. When in Hell, Mastinim appear as three-dimensional shadows in the shape of tall, gaunt humans. They have glowing lidless eyes and luminous auras. An Accuser's eyes and aura change color according to his mood. Mastinim see themselves not as musical instruments but as conductors who decide which instruments are heard and at what time. Band Attunement Asmodeus gives his Mastinim the same sort of Attunement that his other demons get; they can recognize others of their Band and detect their Dissonance by making a Perception roll. They also get 12 extra Character Points at character creation with which to purchase a Role or skills that apply to it. Accusers prefer Roles as intermediaries between soon-to-be guilty parties and those who will decide on that guilt. Many are bailiffs, but they also love working as hotel staff and tax auditors' secretaries. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If all the world's a stage, where does the audience sit?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:55:12 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Zeresh43@gateway.net wrote: > Because Lilith doesn't like rape in general. Where on earth do you get that idea? > There is someone who is losing> their freedom because of rape. People also lose their freedom when they get killed, but you don't see Lilith getting particularly upset over murder. > I think it says that somewhere in her > writeup, No, I don't think Elizabeth got away with quite _that_ much transposition. >>> or maybe I'm just making that up. Yes. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:43:45 EDT From: Zeresh43@gateway.net Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) In a message dated 8/31/00 9:50:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amadan@amadan.org writes: > > Because Lilith doesn't like rape in general. > > Where on earth do you get that idea? Ok, I admit my stupidity at such a comment, and really don't want to start the Lilith debate again. However, when it was said that Lilith would be upset at Cathexis, and people asked why, I think that's what was meant. I could be wrong. When are the stats gonna get posted for this meanie? If they're not up soon, I think we're gonna tear each other apart :-) Clear Skies Zach "I know who you are! You're the Dee Eee Vee Eee um...Eye El." - --Delerium of the Endless "Don't drink the sludge at the bottom of your coffee cup. Don't drink the cup either. Just the coffee." - --Destruction of the Endless ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:51:43 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) - --On Thursday, August 31, 2000 17:28 -0500 Prodigal wrote: > From: >> >> Because Lilith doesn't like rape in general. There is someone who is > losing >> their freedom because of rape. > > That was my impression, as well... > Not mine. There's a difference to Lilith between her losing *her* freedom, and someone else surrendering theirs. (e.g. Geasa) Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Wait, so you're saying God's will *isn't* best for humanity..?") ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 2000 21:17:48 -0700 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) On Thu, 31 August 2000, Zeresh43@gateway.net wrote: > When are the stats gonna get posted for this meanie? If they're not up soon, > I think we're gonna tear each other apart :-) Sorry 'bout that. I had meant to get that done today, but time got away from me. :/ I have a light day tomorrow, what with a bunch of folks taking Friday off for a long weekend, so I should be able to crank it out then. However, I can put to rest Lilith's thoughts of Cathexis. She met him once, and as is her wont, she Resonated for Needs. One of his -- and I am deliberately not saying what level Need it is -- was to rape Andrealphus to death with Saminga's rotting corpse. Needless to say, Lilim find reasons to be elsewhere when Cathexis is about. - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 00:28:26 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Eunuchs Don't ask me where I got the inspiration for this one... The Eunuchs Aka The Scourge of Andrephalus One of the many mythological saints Kobal created during the time when superstition and powerful charismatic priests had free reign with doctrine was Saint Eunuch. Eunuch's great act of matyrdom was to mutilate himself to avoid temptation of the sins of the flesh. The "Saint" however is the patron and head of an unusual order of Habbalah that operate out of Hell around their theological doctrine of their mad leader (coincidentally named Eunuch who is so deluded he actually believes he is the saint in question become an angel for his purity). The order's beliefs revolve around the innate evil of the act of sex and that by it's very horror that mortally stains the soul with the perfomation thereof. The Eunuchs work tirelessly in roles to promote shame and persecution of those who engauge in the disgusting perverted act of the "beasts". The Order has ceaselessly tried for centuries (with varying degrees of sucess) make humanity realize what a sick....well I could go on but I think you get the idea. Despite the fact they're rather off the wall and prone to violent acts of Disturbance causing Geoffry Dahlmer style murder (which they blame on sex's corrupting influence) they are more dangerous than most Celestial's realize. Since they believe sex is a sin that cannot be forgiven, they are fine with encouraging perverted murderous acts of lust that inspire backlash against deviant "behavior" that they hope will someday be broad enough encourage all humanity to embrace universal chastity. Because of the Habbalite resonance and the powers of a Servitor of Lust (whom the demon Eunuch is only a Baron of despite his advances and Andrephalus's enthusiastic support) they are all too often sucessful in persuading the horror stricken to their point of you following rape, oathbreaking, fornication, and adultery. There is a strong sexist bent in the Order which mainly revolves around hatred of women (especially Lilim) but a female version of the order has been brought up that is just as nasty against men. The Eunuchs are a "religeous" cult that in Hell is rather infamous by the fact they go through such elaborate methods of self-mortification to purify themselves from impure thoughts, desires, and the acts. Perhaps because of the Symphony's capacity of irony they are all too often inflicted with the lustful discord that leads to some truly sickening penances. Other Habbalah (who openly embrace sensuality) are sane enough to note that the Eunuchs seem to have forgotton that they arn't still Heavengly Elohim subject to dissonance, yet of course they look down on their unfallen cousins for their perverted support of the blasphemy just as any other Habbalah would. A typical Eunuch is likely to be a master of sadio-masochistic torture in any case with an insane tolerance for pain and suffering. In any case Lilith has a unofficial Lvl 6 "Geas-bounty" to anyone who might happen to destroy the Demon of Chastity. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1800 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.