From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Sep 1 12:24:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA08085 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:24:42 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id MAA24186 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:22:39 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:22:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200009011722.MAA24186@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1801 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, September 1 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1801 In this digest: IN> Angels and the Ten commandments....(was judging the powers) Re: IN> The Marches Re: IN> New discord for Calabim IN> Asmodean Bondage IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1800 Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Re: IN> Cathexis Re: IN>Prelude Re: IN>The Malakanaries Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Re: IN>Prelude Re: IN> Cathexis Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Re: IN>The Marches IN>Asmodean Band Re: IN>Prelude Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 00:54:14 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Angels and the Ten commandments....(was judging the powers) >I can't find any evidence of this in my books. Of course, some Archangels >like some of the Ten Commandments, and some hate some of the Ten >Commandments, but this doesn't mean much with regards to passing judgement >on a choir of angels. Okay Ben maybe I should say that Dominic dislikes angels who dishonor the Seven Virtues (which Superiors says is the criteria Dominic lives by). Still I can find no cause in any of the books to suggest that angels dislike the spirit behind it... Janus might have problems with people and stealing but I'd appreciate some feedback here. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 05:29:14 GMT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> The Marches >From: Michael Walton >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >One is empowered by >a nation of over 270 million people, the other is revered all over the >world. They are, respectively, Uncle Sam and Santa Claus. Thoughts on >this, anyone? > I think you'll find that some of the Hindu gods easily outpower them. India is, after all, the largest democracy on the planet. Any popular chinese ethereals might be even more powerful than that. jo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:46:37 +0100 From: "Laurent" Subject: Re: IN> New discord for Calabim > How about, "Caustic Soul?" Sounds good. By the way, could anybody email me privatly a basic description of the Aura of Entropy, so I can compare? I'd be interested in the game mechanics. > This is a good idea that opens up new possibilities for RP (nonviolent > Calabim -- what a concept!). I'd love to play one. Or even have one of my players play one. But every time, they fall back into the big-bully, mass-destruction, human kind-anihilation cliche, so I have to say no... > I might adjust it a bit so that the entropy build-up has visible effects > -- say, symptoms that look like physical illness. Well, I don't know... everything they get in contact with (including clothing) should provide enough visual effects, IMO. > a Calabite with this Discord becomes very obvious if he's not > doing his job; DP's would probably destroy them without mercy. If the Calabite is not doing his job, I don't think they'll be anything left for the DP to destroy after a few days... Laurent. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 13:04:20 BST From: "nick sands" Subject: IN> Asmodean Bondage Hi, forgive me but i had an idea... i may some how create a minor band based around this idea by the deadline. +++++++++++++++ Asmodeus on a good day. "But my lord, forgive me, i tried but the impudite got away.. he redeemed right in front of me.. the damned blackwings formed a circle whilst David came from on high to do it personally... then he just looked at me i.. i couldn't move.. i ask for your sentance that i must carry out" Eshra stood resolute as he gave his final end to the lengthy report, he had been following the impudite for a while and found by accident that it was going to redeem, but things got tricky and all Eshra could do was watch as it all happened, knowing that he would be punished for failing to uphold his lords Word. "David you say.. hmm i remember once, long ago.. he gave me an idea, and i think i have used that idea only a few times, maybe i should use it more often. Yes. I hereby punish you Eshra, djinn of mine to be bouned to your vessal for for years equal to your charges total Forces. Also i find you guilty of failing to do the damnedable triplicate that i askewd for you to fill in before your assignment, but as i am in a good mood today i shall only strip you of one ethereal Force, this shall be carried out after your first sentance which will last 12 years and one day. You shall be escorted out of here to a place where you may descend to the earth to ponder your crimes. Know that should you incur any dissonance and or discord during your stay then you shall be hunted down as a rabbit is like the fox by myself pewrsonally to strip you apart from your forces and destroy you. Is this understood?" Eshra look at his lordship, not yet fully understanding the extent of his punishment. "My lord, i shall further your word as part of my punishment aswell, knowing that it shall be in your glory where i have failed beforehand" Eshra bowed low and was lead out of the office by a calabite and a shedite, then he descended to earth for a good time. Or so he thought, untill he done something wrong and was hunted down for his stupidity. +++++++++++++++++++ So there you have it, the big A's newly remembered punishment, forcing the guilty to be bound in thier vessal for years up to what ever Asmodeus think nessecary. Not to harsh i hear you say, well, think about it, if the vessal is killed the demon is still stuck in the body, and will not return to his fractured heart. Then by being stuck in the dead vessal they are failing to uphold the Word, They also cannot fulfill their dissonance needs and get well, dissonant. This inturn brings down the wrath of big A himself who hunts them down and force strips them to the point of destruction. Oh, i forgot to mention that once the demon is stuck on earth Asmodeus will send down a couple of relativly new demonsm to harry and harrass the demon, usually to the point of death, which gets them soul killed. If the demon manages to kill the two demons sent to aggravate him then he will be free of 'hunter demons' for months equal to his corporeal forces. Then the hunt starts all over again.... I hope you enjoy that little bit of stuff there. I reckon that it gives me a bit of fuel to create a minor band for the role of the 'hunter demons'. Unless some one out there wants to do it as thier 'competition' entry, then please feel free to do so. As ever, all comments are welcome. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 06:07:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1800 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:00:02 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Malakanaries. >[The following is hardly canon, may in fact be >twistedly munchkin, and is in all likelihood somewhat >silly.] You're probably right, hoo yeah, and "somewhat"? It's freaking hysterical. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 8/7/00 (this is a guess) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 06:27:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:06:53 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) At 10:14 AM -0700 8/31/00, Casca wrote: >>Servitors of Nitpicking, I rebuke thee. >We're not nitpicking. We're problem-solving a way to >kill this foul creature that you exposed us to. No, >really, it's _praise_. It's disgusting enough that >we're all trying to plot ways to stomp it into the >ground. >(Mine, which I'm not going to go into, involves >Memory Pearls and Geases.) Naah. I'm for Novalis declaring this bugger Beyond The Pale (he's precisely the sort of demon I had in mind when I wrote it up for the Digest*): after a few weeks of steady heat, _somebody_ will be ready to betray this bugger... :) Moe *For those tuning in late, BTP was something (fairly controversial, IIRC) I wrote up about Novalis. Basically, she'd declare somebody as beyond hope of salvation (it's happened 6 times in 20,000 years: one of those was Legion, to give you an idea of the level we're talking here), and her organization would then get to push the "unnecessary violence" envelope until it pushed back. Nastier than Larry's version, in a way: Novy's angels would drop _everything_ to go demon hunting, and (this wasn't explicit, BTW) they've all got a lot of frustration to burn off... :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 8/7/00 (this is a guess) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 09:51:39 -0700 From: Rolland Therrien Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) - -----Original Message----- From: Maurice Lane To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Friday, September 01, 2000 6:22 AM Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) >Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:06:53 -0400 >From: Elizabeth McCoy >Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick >factor) > >At 10:14 AM -0700 8/31/00, Casca wrote: > >>>Servitors of Nitpicking, I rebuke thee. > >>We're not nitpicking. We're problem-solving a way to >>kill this foul creature that you exposed us to. No, >>really, it's _praise_. It's disgusting enough that >>we're all trying to plot ways to stomp it into the >>ground. > >>(Mine, which I'm not going to go into, involves >>Memory Pearls and Geases.) > >Naah. I'm for Novalis declaring this bugger Beyond >The Pale (he's precisely the sort of demon I had in >mind when I wrote it up for the Digest*): after a few >weeks of steady heat, _somebody_ will be ready to >betray this bugger... :) > >Moe > > >*For those tuning in late, BTP was something (fairly >controversial, IIRC) I wrote up about Novalis. >Basically, she'd declare somebody as beyond hope of >salvation (it's happened 6 times in 20,000 years: one >of those was Legion, to give you an idea of the level >we're talking here), and her organization would then >get to push the "unnecessary violence" envelope until >it pushed back. Nastier than Larry's version, in a >way: Novy's angels would drop _everything_ to go >demon hunting, and (this wasn't explicit, BTW) they've >all got a lot of frustration to burn off... :) I have to agree... This Cathexis guy sounds like one of those "Beyond all extremes" kind of demon all of Heaven would loath, from David to Novalis. Hell, I assume mentionning this guy's name in any Superior invocation would be like pressing a "Panic Button" in Heaven. (maybe a +10 to Invocation) To use Beth's analogy, I haven't seen any demon this bad since Legion. I assume he probably rates as high as Legion did on the "Top Ten Most Hunted Demons" list Laurence must keep around (Like #1 with a bullet). Needless to say, Gabriel would probably LOVE meeting this guy face to face... "Need a light?" - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: 1 Sep 2000 07:07:14 -0700 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) On Fri, 01 September 2000, Maurice Lane wrote: > Naah. I'm for Novalis declaring this bugger Beyond > The Pale (he's precisely the sort of demon I had in > mind when I wrote it up for the Digest*): after a few I wasn't -trying- to think of him, but yes, he's definitely Beyond the Pale. Speaking of which, do I have your permission to use BTP in the writeup? > weeks of steady heat, _somebody_ will be ready to > betray this bugger... :) I already addressed this in the story. The Order of the Eternal Sword wants him dead, and Laurence himself has taken up the hunt in order to preserve the Order's record. Why isn't Cathexis dead already? '"Not Asmodeus," the black robes rustled. "I serve the Lightbringer himself." ' That's not a throwaway line, folks..... - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:38:01 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Hey everyone -- as alluded to with vague overtones of malice, I'm back on.... And... um... hm. Regarding Cathexis.... First off, I thought the vignette was great. Really great. Great in an "augh, it's in my head now -- make it stop!" way. But... hm. I can see having Laurence want to hack him into kibble. He's perfect for the Order of the Eternal Sword. I can see angels finding him horrific and all. I can. But... hm. After several thousand years of the existance of Genubeth, who was after all the Demon Prince of Rapine, I can't see Heaven and Hell being as shocked and horrified at the existence of Cathexis as people are saying. For one thing, I assume there are lots of demons who are just as horrible as he is. Lots of them. His mindset's about what I expect from most Shedim, save that he works directly instead of indirectly. As for the DP's... well, I can see Andrealphus hating him, because he kills humans through rape, which Andrealphus thinks as "his," and Andrealphus doesn't want to see his methods used to kill. Lilith would hate being raped herself, unless she could use that rape to get a decent Geas. And Cathexis would have such intense Needs, I could see Lilith cheerfully finding people who needed a victim raped, then connecting Cathexis to him -- especially if he works directly for Lucifer, since she wants to stay on his good side. Otherwise? I don't see the Demon Princes caring, other than being glad he was on their side. And unless Genubeth was on Novalis's Beyond the Pale list, I'm not sure Cathexis would be. I guess maybe my demons tend to be a lot more... well, evil than others. (Not, I add, that I would ever ever ever want to have that loathsome thing exist. I may well use him in my game, he's so utterly abhorrent. Well done.) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:42:09 -0400 From: "Galen G. Silversmith" Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) > Return-Path: Zeresh43@gateway.net > >>"Galen G. Silversmith" wrote: > >>> Lilith would want his head on a plater. Pure and simple. > >> > >>Why? > >> > >I was wondering that. He seemed like an equal opportunity rapist ... > > Because Lilith doesn't like rape in general. There is someone who is losing > their freedom because of rape. I think it says that somewhere in her > writeup, or maybe I'm just making that up. Still, it sounds good :-) Thats my impression of Lilith, in general, although its not canon. My reasoning is because all odds are Lilim are going to be a highly desired target by the bugger, and while Lilith may not care about rape in general, she cares somewhat about her daughters. And lets face it, this bugger probably has will to spare, not every gaes hook will become a gaes. Hurting her daughters, not giving them fair trade. This is not someone I see on Lilith's good side. Lilith is also into the freedom to choose your fate thing; While some lilim might choose to be raped to get the gaes hook, I'd be fairly certain some of them wouldn't. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:56:46 -0400 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis >After several thousand years of the existance of Genubeth, who was >after all the Demon Prince of Rapine, I can't see Heaven and Hell >being as shocked and horrified at the existence of Cathexis as people >are saying. Agreed. And I'll add this to the pot: in a game that involves Hell in any strong capacity, Cathexis may be loathsome, but he has a context. The presence of such a character is understandable; he has a role. I've seen characters like that introduced into settings where they don't belong. It's even worse, and more horrifying. yours, who'll tell the story of "Father William" sometime ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 02:21:04 +0000 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN>Prelude I'll happily go along with it if gave some reason -why- Dominic was acting like an ass...<<< Dominic needs a reason to act like an ass? I wasn't aware of that. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 02:28:04 +0000 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN>The Malakanaries It's an ignomenious sort of blow against evil, but hey -- it's unexpected, and the Malakanaries proudly keep score of the times they've "successfully" died and brought back a posse which toasted the demon(s) in question. And if anyone mocks them, they need only ask, "And how many times have _you_ died for Heaven?"<<< LOL! Really funny Beth! :) It had me cracking up, and I bet it'd be real fun to run in a Malakite-intensive campaign. Media-Servitor: "We have live footage folks! Yes, a chicken Malakite on display!" *camera pans to Malakarnary. Random Malakite: *grumbles* "Oh shut up!" *knocks down the demon and grins into the camera* "You saw it here first folks. The slaying of an annoying demon!" *soul-kills the demon and smashes the camera* Malakanary: "Yay! I'm saved!" Malakite: "Come on, you!" *grabs the Malakanary by the scruff of the neck and hauls him off, stage-right. grumbling and swearing all the way.* ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:09:27 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Rolland Therrien wrote: > I have to agree... This Cathexis guy sounds like one of those "Beyond all > extremes" kind of demon all of Heaven would loath, from David to Novalis. > Hell, I assume mentionning this guy's name in any Superior invocation would > be like pressing a "Panic Button" in Heaven. (maybe a +10 to Invocation) Why? I don't get it. The fanfic story was a mediocre and entirely too self-conscious attempt to go "over the top" -- hitting us over the head, as it were, with "This demon is not nice." Rape, blood, gore, dead fetuses, etc. Yawn. Nothing any 12 year-old raised on "Freddy" movies couldn't imagine. And everyone's going banana-crackers, like "Oh my god! What an awful-horrible-nasty-squicky-demon, he must make angels shit their pants and I'll bet he's too gross even for Demon Princes!" Hello -- we're talking about HELL here. You know, that collection of ultimately selfish, diabolical beings who've been trying for the last several tens of thousands of years to damn the human race and drag each and every human soul to an eternity of suffering and degradation? They've applauded Hitler, egged on Bundy and Daumer, and clapped appreciatively every time a human does something vile and disgusting, because it confirms their worldview. And you think a demon who gets off on raping babies is going to be particularly shocking? Sure, most demons probably think of themselves as classier than that, and wouldn't want to hang around with an unhygienic nutjob like Cathexis. But this hysterical overreaction is just silly. Cathexis is a nasty, disgusting demon in a universe full of nasty, disgusting demons. IMO, the only thing about him that stands out is that probably not many demons with his predilictions are given access to Earth, just because creating carnage like that is usually too unsubtle to serve a DP's needs. As for the angels -- yeah, I'm sure they hate Cathexis, like they hate any other demon who does nasty, disgusting things, but in the greater scheme of things, he's probably lower on Heaven's priority list than, say, a demon of the Media who does content programming for a major network. Cathexis may cause more intense personal suffering in his victims, but the Media demon has a far greater effect on humanity, and is responsible for sending more humans to Hell. Ultimately, Cathexis is a lesser evil. It's like comparing the threat of a serial killer, and the threat of heart disease. The serial killer is "sexier" and might command more attention, but heart disease is unquestionably a greater threat. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:11:34 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Whistling in the Dark wrote: > After several thousand years of the existance of Genubeth, who was > after all the Demon Prince of Rapine, I can't see Heaven and Hell > being as shocked and horrified at the existence of Cathexis as people > are saying. For one thing, I assume there are lots of demons who are > just as horrible as he is. Lots of them. His mindset's about what I > expect from most Shedim, save that he works directly instead of > indirectly. Oops, I see you beat me to this point. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:30:50 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN>Prelude At 2:21 AM +0000 9/1/00, Charles E Smith wrote: >I'll happily go along with it if gave some reason -why- Dominic was >acting like an ass...<<< > >Dominic needs a reason to act like an ass? I wasn't aware of that. Sure he does. Dominic may be the Multiverse's greatest prig -- but he's almost always, wholly and entirely *right.* Remember, his judgement of Michael wasn't overturned -- Michael was pardoned. The Grigori's Outcasting is generally regarded as just. And Uriel was a case Dominic couldn't render Judgement on directly -- not because Uriel was his friend, but because Dominic couldn't state absolutely if he were wrong or not. This is being initially definined as Dominic having a clear, unmitigated error in Judgement. To the point that all the Seraphim in the Council could sense the Truth in Jean and the Elohim, but Dominic couldn't -- until *after* he had rendered Judgement. There *has* to be a reason for that, which the seed provided for in Dominic's sudden realization that something is Wrong here, and his direct investigation of it. If anything, it makes the whole thing more interesting to me, not less. (Though, a 211 year sentence of outcasting seems like a Misdemenor incarceration to me. ) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:34:09 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis I agree with Whistler and David; Cathexis is a good illustration of hellishness, but for my money he's rather mid-range hellish. A campaign where he'd be regarded as shocking even to demons would be a pretty low-contrast campaign, in my estimation. Not that I have any clear notion of what extreme hellishness would be like, nor any wish to see it depicted. But both Heaven and Hell are supposed to be places of more-than-earthly extremes of experience. By the way, concerning Lilith's reaction -- I think it would be a shrug, possibly accompanied by stylistic criticism. The traditional image of Lilith, which is given as an option for her in the GMG, is a demon with three main preoccupations -- killing babies, killing new mothers, and sexually molesting young men in their sleep. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:43:47 GMT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) > >Hello -- we're talking about HELL here. You know, that collection of >ultimately selfish, diabolical beings who've been trying for the last >several tens of thousands of years to damn the human race and drag each >and every human soul to an eternity of suffering and degradation? >They've applauded Hitler, egged on Bundy and Daumer, and clapped >appreciatively every time a human does something vile and disgusting, >because it confirms their worldview. And you think a demon who gets off >on raping babies is going to be particularly shocking? I think there's a challenge here :) So who can create a demonic NPC nasty enough to squick out David? The clock is ticking ... jo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:33:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Rolland Therrien wrote: > To use Beth's analogy, I haven't seen any demon this bad since Legion. I > assume he probably rates as high as Legion did on the "Top Ten Most Hunted > Demons" list Laurence must keep around (Like #1 with a bullet). Needless to > say, Gabriel would probably LOVE meeting this guy face to face... "Need a > light?" Damn... I guess I run my games darker than most. What this guy did was only slightly nastier than the stuff some demons do for sheer entertainment in my games. Fetus-raping is pretty bad, but I've already had a Servitor of Kobal involve Grandmother-raping-to-death in one of his jokes... - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Anything sounds profound if you put it in quotation marks and sign it Anonymous." -- Anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:30:09 -0600 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) >Damn... I guess I run my games darker than most. What this guy did was >only slightly nastier than the stuff some demons do for sheer >entertainment in my games. Fetus-raping is pretty bad, but I've already >had a Servitor of Kobal involve Grandmother-raping-to-death in one of his >jokes... I've never played IN this dark, but my group is a fan of Vampire, Elders specifically. In our dark ages game the nicest one assosiated with demons and drank unicorn blood as a delicacy. After him came the one that was serving the elder Dark, then one who was Cathexis like in that he caused lots of personal suffering for his own amusement but on a large scale wasn't that evil. The worst was a Settie that as part of his plans for personal power caused nigh continous warfare. When he didn't get what he wanted he'd lay it to waste. Although the group found the second most evil guy pretty disgusting, in that he destroyed mortals self esteem and made them into aweful people, the worst one really was the guy whose every action ruined a thousand or so lives (not too shabby for it being the dark ages). If you sit down and think long and hard about any powerful entity that is evil by our standers you can come up with lots if icky icky stuff for them to do. Worse though when you start remembering the advantages they have. Lots of time, lots of powers, secracy, etc you realize they can do much worse. Like make footbinding popular (that was a good write up btw), or help Hitlers rise to power. While fetus and Grandmother rape is vile unless an evil entity whose trying to make it become acceptable and even expected is the 'squicky' one. Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:27:23 -0700 From: Rolland Therrien Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) - -----Original Message----- From: Rev. Pee Kitty To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:53 AM Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) > > >On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Rolland Therrien wrote: > >> To use Beth's analogy, I haven't seen any demon this bad since Legion. I >> assume he probably rates as high as Legion did on the "Top Ten Most Hunted >> Demons" list Laurence must keep around (Like #1 with a bullet). Needless to >> say, Gabriel would probably LOVE meeting this guy face to face... "Need a >> light?" > >Damn... I guess I run my games darker than most. What this guy did was >only slightly nastier than the stuff some demons do for sheer >entertainment in my games. Fetus-raping is pretty bad, but I've already >had a Servitor of Kobal involve Grandmother-raping-to-death in one of his >jokes... Well, maybe I'm the one who doesn't think dark enough... I'll admit, Mina, Demon of Esthetics, was one of my most vicious ideas, and the most she does is leading teen girls to destroy their healths with crash diets. I guess I'll have to work hard to make something REALLY Demonic... - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:19:34 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) At 3:43 PM +0000 9/1/00, Jo Hart wrote: > >I think there's a challenge here :) > >So who can create a demonic NPC nasty enough to squick out David? >The clock is ticking ... To squick *David?* Man.... I don't think I have the strength. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:20:31 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) At 12:33 PM -0400 9/1/00, Rev. Pee Kitty wrote: >On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Rolland Therrien wrote: > >> To use Beth's analogy, I haven't seen any demon this bad since Legion. I >> assume he probably rates as high as Legion did on the "Top Ten Most Hunted >> Demons" list Laurence must keep around (Like #1 with a bullet). Needless to >> say, Gabriel would probably LOVE meeting this guy face to face... "Need a >> light?" > >Damn... I guess I run my games darker than most. What this guy did was >only slightly nastier than the stuff some demons do for sheer >entertainment in my games. Fetus-raping is pretty bad, but I've already >had a Servitor of Kobal involve Grandmother-raping-to-death in one of his >jokes... Well, I could definitely see the Eternal Order of the Sword swearing out a hit on this puppy. It's just the "too evil for Demon Princes" that made me pause. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:36:11 -0400 From: "Galen G. Silversmith" Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) > Return-Path: in-sabre@annotations.com > At 3:43 PM +0000 9/1/00, Jo Hart wrote: > > > >I think there's a challenge here :) > > > >So who can create a demonic NPC nasty enough to squick out David? > >The clock is ticking ... > To squick *David?* Define squick. Malphas hits his sensative points fairly easily... > Man.... > > I don't think I have the strength. Ow. bad pun. ow. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:48:27 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) At 12:36 PM -0400 9/1/00, Galen G. Silversmith wrote: > >Define squick. Malphas hits his sensative points fairly easily... Well, I imagine Cathexis would hit David's sensitive points if he ran into it. That's not what we're discussing. Squicking is an activity/image/what have you that gives a person the sheer willies in an almost physical sense from the very suggestion of it. It devolves out of the BDSM community -- the squick point of a person is the point where a participant would call out safeword at the very suggestion of an idea. (Where *do* I pick this information up? Usenet osmosis?) It's been broadened to a general definition of "Too Much." I have trouble thinking about what David would consider Too Much for a demon. > > Man.... >> >> I don't think I have the strength. > >Ow. bad pun. ow. Pun? - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 08:42:35 +0000 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN>The Marches The Tsyadim stalk these marches I think most because the Ethereals are so plentiful and alien here. I think also they're called the Far Marches because they are much larger than Beleth and Blandine's side of the marches....the choices all between good and evil...and the demonstration the War is driving humanity further in apathy and rebellion.<<< That was a very well-worked out concept there. I liked how whole dreamscapes could, with enough Essence fueling them, overrun one part of the Marches entirely. I have to wonder if Beleth or Blandine actively fuel certain dreams/nightmares, in order to create Ethereals for their use. What do you think? ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:34:25 +0000 From: Charles E Smith Subject: IN>Asmodean Band Here you go, just my idea. :) - ------------------------------------------ Triplicates-The Bureaucrats The young man sighed as he watched the little old man behind the desk poked around with the computer, sorted files, and seemed totally flustered by all the technology. The younger man finally slammed his fist down on the desk, startling the old man in his gray suit. "Look, I don't have all day! I need that claims form to get medical insurance for my pregnant wife, now will you just get it already?!?" The old man made a squeaking noise and raised his hands. At that moment, the computer beeped and went blank. The old man looked at it, then looked back, hiding the amusement in his eyes. "I'm sorry sir, but that computer contained all the vital records. When it goes down like that it requires a technican." The twenty-year-old man banged his fist on the desk. "Then call one!" The older man nodded. "Right away sir." He dialed into a phone, calling Information. He listened a few moments, then hung up. "They can't be here until a week from Friday sir. Even then, your records may be gone forever." The man looked like he was going to explode but the old man simply raised his hands. "There is absolutely nothing that can be done. You will simply have to wait. These things happen." The young man glared, then sat by his wife and slumped in despair. The Triplicate hid a malicious smile behind a folder. Another job well-done. - --------------------------------------------------------------- The Triplicates are the members of Hell's Bureaucracy. Asmodeus uses them to do all the intricate filing, sorting, and stacking that The Game requires. Triplicates take in all the reports filed by Servitors of The Game and keep it all organized and neat. Because of their profienecy with bureaucracy, Asmodeus has taken to letting them go up to Earth, with assignments to wreak havoc on mortal lives--quietly. Resonance The Triplicate resonance is that they can see just how desperately someone needs to cut through red tape or get something in bureaucracy, then "push" matters so that access is blocked or denied subtly. Dissonance It is dissonant for a Triplicate to actually help someone work through the mazes of bureaucracy. If someone can find something on their own, fine, but Triplicates cannot help them. They must always try to hinder them or block them in some way. Manner and Appearance Triplicates appear as quiet, mousy types, barely noticed or regarded at all. Their vessels go towards short, non-obtrusive, and plainly attractive at the best. In celestial form, Triplicates appear as gray, bedraggled versions of their last hosts, with black wings and horns. Band Attunements The same as other demons of The Game, but nothing special beyond that. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:11:48 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN>Prelude From: "Whistling in the Dark" > > There *has* to be a reason for that, which the seed provided for in > Dominic's sudden realization that something is Wrong here, and his > direct investigation of it. If anything, it makes the whole thing > more interesting to me, not less. Same here. My take was that God spoke through Dominic in rendering the sentence, and it was only after the Elohim had left Heaven that God's control of Dominic was released. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:22:33 -0700 (PDT) From: sw@haven.eyrie.org Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) > >On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Rolland Therrien wrote: > >> To use Beth's analogy, I haven't seen any demon this bad since Legion. I > >> assume he probably rates as high as Legion did on the "Top Ten Most > Hunted > >> Demons" list Laurence must keep around (Like #1 with a bullet). Needless > to > >> say, Gabriel would probably LOVE meeting this guy face to face... "Need a > >> light?" > > > >Damn... I guess I run my games darker than most. What this guy did was > >only slightly nastier than the stuff some demons do for sheer > >entertainment in my games. Fetus-raping is pretty bad, but I've already > >had a Servitor of Kobal involve Grandmother-raping-to-death in one of his > >jokes... > > Well, maybe I'm the one who doesn't think dark enough... I'll admit, Mina, > Demon of Esthetics, was one of my most vicious ideas, and the most she does > is leading teen girls to destroy their healths with crash diets. > > I guess I'll have to work hard to make something REALLY Demonic... Overcoming that inner self-censor and delving deep into your inner evil is a difficult and dangerous activity. After all, "Hey, I might run into these people at a convention sometime and I wouldn't want them to run screaming..." is a powerful motivator to not jump up and down on their squick buttons. - --JT ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1801 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.