From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Sep 2 22:52:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA01946 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:52:02 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id WAA30906 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:49:16 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:49:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200009030349.WAA30906@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1803 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, September 2 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1803 In this digest: Re: IN> Re: Cathexis Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) Re: IN> Re: Cathexis Re: IN> Re: Cathexis Re: IN> Re: Cathexis Re: IN> Re: Cathexis IN> The Marches Re: IN> Re: Cathexis Re: IN> Re: Cathexis Re: IN> Re: Cathexis Re: IN> Re: Cathexis Re: IN>Prelude Number One Re: IN> Re: Cathexis IN> Ethereals in the Celestial Realm Re: IN> Ethereals in the Celestial Realm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:07:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Twila Oxley Price Subject: Re: IN> Re: Cathexis Okay, okay. I am a wuss, I guess, 'cause Cathexis sure squicked *me*. :-) (Maybe it's being a mom, but I sure had never envisioned any demons being into baby-rape. In fact, the whole concept is just *unthinkable* to me.) I'm really hoping that his history and personality are worthy of a grand campaign to exterminate him. Twila (who supposes that her campaign would be high-contrast and really really BRIGHT. Blindingly bright. Yeah, that's the ticket.) ------------------------------ Date: 2 Sep 2000 03:04:57 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> Cathexis (Warning: High squick factor) On Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:42:09 -0400 "Galen G. Silversmith" wrote: [snip] >Lilith is also into the freedom to choose your fate thing; While some lilim >might choose to be raped to get the gaes hook, I'd be fairly certain some >of them wouldn't. it's entirely possible that willing victims aren't what Cathexis wants--and he does tend to rape people unto death, possibly soul-death if he isn't stopped--so he'd probably accept the offer, and then rape the Lilim in question to destruction. -=|horsefly|=- "It was a different time: a time of blood and guns and killings.... It was a time when killers needed saints, for so much of God's good work was being done." --SAINT OF KILLERS #4, Garth Ennis ------------------------------ Date: 1 Sep 2000 20:40:34 -0700 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Re: Cathexis On Fri, 01 September 2000, Whistling in the Dark wrote: > Now, no one said he was *trite.* Could've sworn David did. Ah well. > Not the worst demon since Legion, perhaps, but not *trite.* Never said that it was. I simply said it was the worst that my diseased mind was able dredge up. I must admit to a sort of sick fascination with wondering what you and David could come up with.... not so much as a "Let's squick each other out" contest, but more of an "This is what personally squicks -me- out" exercise. Come on, I know I'm not the ONLY deviant bastard on this list. ;) - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 00:09:58 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Re: Cathexis At 11:07 PM -0400 9/1/00, Twila Oxley Price wrote: >Okay, okay. I am a wuss, I guess, 'cause Cathexis sure squicked >*me*. :-) (Maybe it's being a mom, but I sure had never envisioned any >demons being into baby-rape. In fact, the whole concept is just >*unthinkable* to me.) So he hits your squick point something fierce. He's a horror, without any doubt. >I'm really hoping that his history and personality are worthy of a >grand campaign to exterminate him. Well, Genevive Cogman had it right. He's not unassailable -- he's a *great* foil for the Angels to go and soul-shred after hard Campaigning, with the Lucifer connection to keep things fresh and fancy free. And yeah, PC Angels who aren't devoid of emotion (read, non-Elohim and excepting some of the higher Angels) will want this guy spacked in a deep and driven way. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 00:08:20 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Re: Cathexis At 8:40 PM -0700 9/1/00, Casca wrote: >On Fri, 01 September 2000, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >I must admit to a sort of sick fascination with wondering what you >and David could come up with.... not so much as a "Let's squick each >other out" contest, but more of an "This is what personally squicks >-me- out" exercise. Mmmm.... Actually, I could easily write that up. I'm just not sure anyone on the list would be that interested in the Demon of Involuntary Sensory Deprivation. But he'd scare me absolutely pantsless. (Though he'd be much easier to create in Nobilis than in In Nomine....) >Come on, I know I'm not the ONLY deviant bastard on this list. ;) Oh, *that* much is true -- it's the *squick* factor that's difficult. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 01:03:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Cathexis On Sat, 2 Sep 2000, Whistling in the Dark wrote: > At 11:07 PM -0400 9/1/00, Twila Oxley Price wrote: > >Okay, okay. I am a wuss, I guess, 'cause Cathexis sure squicked > >*me*. :-) (Maybe it's being a mom, but I sure had never envisioned any > >demons being into baby-rape. In fact, the whole concept is just > >*unthinkable* to me.) > > So he hits your squick point something fierce. He's a horror, without > any doubt. To me, the whole fetus-raping is just so over-the-top that it becomes more of a cry for attention. (From Cathexis, not you Casca. :) I mean, a fetus doesn't have senses and doesn't even know what's happening... not to mention it probably just died about 2 seconds into the act, CorpHealing notwithstanding. To me, it would have been MUCH squickier if he had raped a young kid, more like 3-5 years old. That's old enough that they'd definitely know what was happening and would survive it easier. Just a suggestion, Casca. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Jesus, this whole church is a fuckin law-suit waiting to happen..." -- Rev. Jesus B. Christ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:27:28 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Marches >That was a very well-worked out concept there. I liked how whole >dreamscapes could, with enough Essence fueling them, overrun >one part of >the Marches entirely. I have to wonder if Beleth or Blandine actively >fuel certain dreams/nightmares, in order to create Ethereals for their >use. What do you think? Thank you Charles. I don't know personally if Beleth and Blandine yet have that devotion/have that little patience. I do believe however it is a VERY LARGE practice of word bound celestials in their service however and in Beleth's service it's sort of a game.... "How much can your dream overwhelm before you are knocked off by your superior" Basically the Demon of Dreams of Fascism was pretty powerful during WWI to WWII and spent a large ammount of time in my opinion whispering in the ear of a Austrian Painter and a Russian Shoesalesmen. (if Blandine has done the most for humanity, what does that say about Beleth?) - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: 2 Sep 2000 06:54:48 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Cathexis On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 00:08:20 -0400 Whistling in the Dark wrote: [snip] >Actually, I could easily write that up. I'm just not sure anyone on >the list would be that interested in the Demon of Involuntary Sensory >Deprivation. But he'd scare me absolutely pantsless. countered! i'd like to see it, and i could easily see it existing, possibly as a Servitor of Lust, possibly as a Servitor to Factions or Dark Humor. as to what kind of angels would want him dead, i'd say Animals' Servitors, and anyone in the War faction for his possible combat prowess. sure, i have an interest. not particularly squicked, but i could be. -=|horsefly|=- "It was a different time: a time of blood and guns and killings.... It was a time when killers needed saints, for so much of God's good work was being done." --SAINT OF KILLERS #4, Garth Ennis ------------------------------ Date: 2 Sep 2000 07:00:27 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Cathexis On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 01:03:51 -0400 (EDT) "Rev. Pee Kitty" wrote: [snip] >To me, the whole fetus-raping is just so over-the-top that it becomes more >of a cry for attention. (From Cathexis, not you Casca. :) I mean, a fetus >doesn't have senses and doesn't even know what's happening... not to >mention it probably just died about 2 seconds into the act, CorpHealing >notwithstanding. [snip] i think the point is that Cathexis was deliberately trying to squick the Malakite of Stone into a fight. it took an hour, but he accomplished what he was trying to do. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Sep 2000 06:06:09 -0700 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Re: Cathexis On Fri, 01 September 2000, "Rev. Pee Kitty" wrote: > To me, the whole fetus-raping is just so over-the-top that it becomes more > of a cry for attention. (From Cathexis, not you Casca. :) I mean, a fetus Thanks for clarifying that. :) > doesn't have senses and doesn't even know what's happening... not to > mention it probably just died about 2 seconds into the act, CorpHealing > notwithstanding. I specifically said that the mother was so pregnant she looked like she'd pop at any moment. As in, 9 months. Wasn't a fetus. And it wasn't so much to fuel his perversions (though there was that, too), but a calculated effort to goad the Malakite into attacking. How much atrocity can a Virtue of Stone take before he decides it's worth the Dissonance to kill the bastard? - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 08:34:43 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Re: Cathexis Casca wrote: > How much atrocity can a Virtue of Stone take before he decides it's worth the Dissonance to kill the bastard? Well, I'd also question whether it's dissonant for a Servitor of Stone to attack a demon who is preying on a helpless victim. They are not allowed to _start fights_; arguably a demon who is raping a baby has already initiated violent action (though given the participants, it could hardly be called a "fight"). I've never thought that angels of Stone are obligated to stand by and do nothing as demons (or humans) assault innocent people -- "Well, they're not shooting at *us*...". If the angel of Stone is completely disconnected from humanity, such that what happens to human beings simply doesn't matter to him, then this might be true. But that sort of angel would probably not be moved by watching a human (even a baby) get raped. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:42:57 +0000 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN>Prelude Number One The duties of the Sword are Duty. No Servitor of Laurence is without his assigned tasks and rules. The greatest of Angels in the Sword's service have their duty, and so do the least of Relievers. And it is of the greatest of Angels and the least of Relievers that the story begins.<<< Very beautiful story. :) I think you captured the hopes and dreams of that young Reliever very well and I hope there'll be more installments to this series. :) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 17:03:13 GMT From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Cathexis >From: David Edelstein >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Re: Cathexis >Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 08:34:43 -0500 > >Casca wrote: > > How much atrocity can a Virtue of Stone take before he decides it's >worth the Dissonance to kill the bastard? > >Well, I'd also question whether it's dissonant for a Servitor of Stone to >attack a demon who is preying on a helpless victim. They are not allowed to >_start fights_; arguably a demon who is raping a baby has already initiated >violent action (though given the participants, it could hardly be called a >"fight"). I've never thought that angels of Stone are obligated to stand by >and do nothing as demons (or humans) assault innocent people -- "Well, >they're not shooting at *us*...". That's how I saw Servitors of Stone too. "You don't start something, I don't hurt you. But you hit anybody else here and you're starting something, pal." - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:42:42 -0600 From: Tim Groth Subject: IN> Ethereals in the Celestial Realm Just got Superiors 3, like it so far, but I noticed something in Gab's write up. It says that ethereal spies try to sneak up the volcano into Heaven, isn't it canon that it isn't possible for ethereals to enter Heaven or Hell? Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 23:38:55 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Ethereals in the Celestial Realm At 2:42 PM -0600 9/2/00, Tim Groth wrote: >Just got Superiors 3, like it so far, but I noticed something in Gab's >write up. It says that ethereal spies try to sneak up the volcano into >Heaven, isn't it canon that it isn't possible for ethereals to enter Heaven >or Hell? It doesn't say they succeed. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1803 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.