From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Sep 5 23:21:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA31161; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:21:49 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id XAA18198 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:20:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:20:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200009060420.XAA18198@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1807 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, September 5 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1807 In this digest: IN> The Little Old Lady from Pasadina Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) IN> So who plays? Re: IN> So who plays? Re: IN> So who plays? Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) IN> Contest IV: Laurence. Re: IN> So who plays? IN> CONTEST: The most horrifying demon in the world. Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) Re: IN> Contest Posted. IN> Rain, rain, go away (why the heck are no Archangels for the Weather?) Re: IN> The Eunuchs Re: IN> So who plays? Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) Re: IN> Contest: Asmodeus: Kata'im Re: IN> Rain, rain, go away (why the heck are no Archangels Re: IN> So who plays? Re: IN> So who plays? Re: IN> Squicking David? (Re: Cathexis) Re: IN> Rain, rain, go away (why the heck are no Archangels of Weather) Re: IN> Archangelic Serephim (was:Eli & Dominic) IN> Can a Mere Servitor be Heretical? _You_ Make the Call! Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) Re: IN> Archangelic Serephim (was:Eli & Dominic) Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) Re: IN> Archangelic Serephim (was:Eli & Dominic) Re: IN> Archangelic Serephim (was:Eli & Dominic) Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:36:42 -0400 From: "Charles phipps" Subject: IN> The Little Old Lady from Pasadina Margret Calabim of Death Captain of the Infernal Legion Demon of Reckless Driving Cor- 3 Str 6 Agi 6 Eth- 3 Int 4 Pre 8 Cel- 3 Will-6 Per-6 Vessel: Human/2 (Charisma +2) Role: Human/2 Status/2 Skills: Driving 4/, Fast Talk /2, Lying 3, Ranged Weapon 1/ (Pistol) Songs: Healing (Corporeal /3), Entropy(Corporeal /3), Motion (Corporeal /3, Celestial /3) Artifacts: Unholy Pistol 1/, Three bullets Attunements: Calabim of Death, Captain of the Infernal Legion, Demon of Reckless Driving Discord: Angry 3/ Reckless Driving- As the Demon of Reckless Driving she can compel someone into an act of extreme stupidity involving a motor vehical by making a resisted willpower roll and spending three essence. The act can be anything from a game of chicken, leaping an out bridge, or driving home drunker than Otis on the Andy Griffith Show. Margret has used this attunement so often that she has almost single handidly helped bring about America's concern for road rage. Rites: * Cause a Car Crash Word Forces: 8-9 (fluctuating) Note: Margret is a balanced starting character if you remove the Captain of the Infernal Legion Distinction and Word. Margret is (as her name will indicate) a very young demon that frankly did not exist until the later half of the 20th century. Conjured by Saminga and stuffed on Earth as basically cannon fodder against the Angelic menance and any soldiers that might need to be taken care of, Margret realized she did not especially have much of a future in the Hellish bureaucracy. Living in Los Angeles it was by coincidence waiting to take out a Malakim in the outskirts that Margret heard the now infamous Beach Boys song "the Little Old Lady from Pasadina". Unable to get the tune out of her head even as she was sent into trauma following the battle with the Malakim she was able to get in and out of trauma and back on Earth within only a few months, requesting oddly the type of vessel she now occupies. At that point the car crashes began. Margret loves nothing more than being the absolute most vile thing anyone will ever encounter on the road and in Los Angeles, New York, and the other locales she frequents (never staying in one place too long) that's freaking saying something. Margret has personally caused over one hundred deaths since her return to the Earth and totalled nearly as many cars (one of the reasons she has to move so much is the ammount of bang in the Symphony that follows her). Since Margret makes it a point to get into one car crash every day (not necessarily fatal but she tends to fake her death with the really BIG ones, leaving angels to think that the culprit has gotton away) she has managed to gain Saminga's attention long enough to get a word from Lucifer (who loved her slamming her Chevy Suped up Dodge into a car with three Olfalim and Malakim in it). Margret is a sadistic **** make no mistake and cusses a storm. Hates men, women, and children and enjoys nothing more than mowing them down (save mowing angels). However when around police officers it's noted she is a sweet old lady whose wallet is full of "Daughters of the Revolutionary War", "Order of the Eastern Star", and occasionally just for effect-tickets to the Policemen's ball ("my dear departed husband...."). Quote: If your not the big dog on the road, your road kill sonny boy! - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: 5 Sep 2000 13:01:11 -0700 From: Casca Subject: Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) On Tue, 05 September 2000, "Charles Glasgow" wrote: > Folks, are my skills in written English really *that* poor, that my posts > can be this massively misunderstood? > > *Chuckg groans and holds his head in his hands* Clearly it is I who has made the error here, for not only did I misinterpret your post, but I have caused you emotional distress. For that, you have my humblest apologies, and my sincere promise that I will endeavor not to do so in the future. If this apology is not sufficient, please tell me what I may do to make reparations, up to and including leaving the list. - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 16:17:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas J Howell Subject: IN> So who plays? I've noticed that a lot of the stuff that goes on this list is idle (or not so idle) speculation on non-canon or philosophical ideas and less so on 'practical' stuff (i.e. non Word-bound celestials, new Servitor attunements, etc). I'm not saying there isn't any, just not very much (IMHO). So my question becomes - who on this list plays in a currently running, face-to-face In Nomine campaign that meets at least once a month (and preferably 2+ times)? I'm quite curious to know. I'm also curious to see player/GM ratios. TJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:23:37 EDT From: Zeresh43@gateway.net Subject: Re: IN> So who plays? >I've noticed that a lot of the stuff that goes on this list >is idle (or not so idle) speculation on non-canon or philosophical >ideas and less so on 'practical' stuff (i.e. non Word-bound >celestials, new Servitor attunements, etc). I'm not saying >there isn't any, just not very much (IMHO). I think that's what I enjoy most about this list... >So my question becomes - who on this list plays in a currently running, >face-to-face In Nomine campaign that meets at least once >a month (and preferably 2+ times)? I'm quite curious to know. >I'm also curious to see player/GM ratios. I'm running a weekly campaign with 4 players, currently. Oh, you didn't answer your own question, so are you running a game right now? Clear Skies Zach "I know who you are! You're the Dee Eee Vee Eee um...Eye El." - --Delerium of the Endless "Don't drink the sludge at the bottom of your coffee cup. Don't drink the cup either. Just the coffee." - --Destruction of the Endless ------------------------------ Date: 5 Sep 2000 13:32:59 -0700 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> So who plays? On Tue, 05 September 2000, Thomas J Howell wrote: > So my question becomes - who on this list plays in a currently running, > face-to-face In Nomine campaign that meets at least once > a month (and preferably 2+ times)? I'm quite curious to know. > I'm also curious to see player/GM ratios. I've been GMing In Nomine since Night Music came out, and have had two campaigns in that time. My current group meets once a week for 6 hour gaming sessions, and consists of two males and two females. - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 20:45:33 GMT From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) >From: Casca >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) >Date: 5 Sep 2000 13:01:11 -0700 >On Tue, 05 September 2000, "Charles Glasgow" wrote: > > > Folks, are my skills in written English really *that* poor, that my > >posts can be this massively misunderstood? > > > > *Chuckg groans and holds his head in his hands* >Clearly it is I who has made the error here, for not only did I >misinterpret your post, but I have caused you emotional distress. For that, >you have my humblest apologies, and my sincere promise that I will endeavor >not to do so in the future. > >If this apology is not sufficient, No problem, it is more than sufficient. >please tell me what I may do to make reparations, up to and including >leaving the list. Since I am unable to determine whether or not this is sarcasm, I shall refrain from making any further requests. I will, however, note that in case there was possibly any doubt in anyone's mind, I was not being sarcastic in my earlier post. - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 16:15:16 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) Eeyore wrote: > While I agree with the statement that Judgement doesn't work like a human> justice system, I'd point out that this approach will *not* work in the case> of Eli. The Seraph resonance, even that of Dominic, can not penetrate the> actions of a Superior. Dominic won't know the Truth in this case. This is not correct, or at least, not entirely correct. Superiors are able to block the resonances of lesser celestials, when they so choose. They probably can sometimes block those of other Superiors, but that's not a sure thing. It's highly questionable whether or not Eli could prevent Dominic from resonating on him. And of course, if he chose to do so, that would be telling in itself. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:11:35 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: IN> Contest IV: Laurence. The first three contests are done. So far we've come a long way, with minor choirs/bands for Asmodeus, David and Janus -- we even have a bonus band for Valefor. Asmodeus's four submissions should be up some time today or tomorrow. According to my Rando-Superior-Perl-Picker, Laurence is the lucky winner for this week. Strap together some submissions so we can collect them next Monday (September 11th). Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:13:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas J Howell Subject: Re: IN> So who plays? On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 Zeresh43@gateway.net wrote: > > I'm running a weekly campaign with 4 players, currently. > Oh, you didn't answer your own question, so are you running a game right now? > No, sadly I haven't run a game since last winter (discounting one game played in the spring and running an event at the local con). I want to start up another, but there's a guy in our group now who REFUSES to play, for no logical reason I can think of (except for a dislike of putting religious issues in games). He's our best roleplayer, though, so I don't want to kick him out. So there you have it. TJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 15:15:32 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: IN> CONTEST: The most horrifying demon in the world. Why not? Put together the most awful, horrifying demon you can and mail them to the list. Keep them under 10k -- if they get bigger, post them to a webpage and mail the URL -- and keep them plain text. I'll collate them and tack 'em onto a website. If there are enough submissions, I could see my way to hacking a quick "Demon Rating System Perl Script" to add to the webpage so we can rate our fiends. Are they really evil or just a little evil or somewhere in between? That's all there is to it. I'll do my collating on September 5th (Tuesday.) Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 16:26:41 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) Charles Glasgow wrote: > No, I am not. I said that Judgement will not pass sentence on anyone until> after their trial. Note, however, that Judgment's version of a "trial" might be "Dominic examines the evidence and passes a sentence." - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:16:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Contest Posted. - --- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 6:41 PM -0700 8/31/00, Michael Walton wrote: > >Mastinim "The Accusers" > > Hee hee hee. Very Asmodean. Domo arigato, Beth-sama. > > Only one point you may or may not care about: > > > Mastinim see themselves not as musical instruments but as > >conductors who decide which instruments are heard and at what time. > > This duplicates the mainbook "musical instrument identity" of > Lilim... > > (Which probably doesn't matter, since it's not like these are > submissions to me, but just in case you care about making the > writeup as "official-esque" as possible... O:> ) I did think of that, but justified it on a technicality. I quote from the main book, "Lilim see themselves not as instruments, but as players." A conductor, by contrast, is the one who tells the players when to play. Demons who see themselves in that light probably don't get along with Lilim very well. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If all the world's a stage, where does the audience sit?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:15:08 -0400 From: "Charles phipps" Subject: IN> Rain, rain, go away (why the heck are no Archangels for the Weather?) First of all to answer your question I think that Jean handle's lighting, Janus handles Wind, Oannes handled water, and Gaby handles Heat. Ogiel I like really. He's the type of Angel that you get when you REALLY don't adapt to the modern times very well or better yet don't see the need to. He has to get along with David servitors well. As for him being a Olfalim I think this is much more important to his word than Virtue which is about the battle of evil aspect....than the actual hitting with a big stick aspect. As an Olfalim he knows the best way to get the next place he's going to hit evil with a really big stick. That's important in a constantly moving Hulk. Any angel can be adapted truly...see Ogiel the Seraphim. "You lie, you guilty, hulk smash." - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:29:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Eunuchs - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > Don't ask me where I got the inspiration for this one... > > The Eunuchs [shudder] I both admire and fear you. o;> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If all the world's a stage, where does the audience sit?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:16:34 EDT From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> So who plays? In a message dated 9/5/00 8:18:37 PM, thowell@classics.umass.edu writes: >So my question becomes - who on this list plays in a currently running, >face-to-face In Nomine campaign that meets at least once >a month (and preferably 2+ times)? I'm quite curious to know. >I'm also curious to see player/GM ratios. > >TJ > I do. Runs weekly. Four players, one GM (me). Had up to a maximum of eight players at one point. Currently, I've got a Mercurian of Yves, a Mercurian of Beth, a Bright Lilim of Eli, and a reliever of Haagenti (Gusto - Thanks again, Moe!) who is likely to fledge Ofanite. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:56:45 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) In a message dated 9/5/00 11:49:44 AM Central Daylight Time, earlw@mc.com writes: << Can a Superior open itself up, though? If Eli were of a mind to, could he show up in front of Dominic, say "Here's why," and drop his shields so Dominic would know he was truthful? Or would Dominic always have to wonder if Eli was faking it? Or is the whole issue Canonical Doubtful? >> I don't think you can lie to a Superior level resonance. Well, maybe Lucifer could, but I doubt anyone else could pull it off. The Seraph would either be able to use his resonance without problems or he'd sense that he was being blocked. Reverend Brian A. Rogers BillionSix@aol.com ICQ# 22544590 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:37:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Collins Subject: Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) > > Can a Superior open itself up, though? If Eli were > of a mind to, > could he show up in front of Dominic, say "Here's > why," and > drop his shields so Dominic would know he was > truthful? Or would > Dominic always have to wonder if Eli was faking it? > Or is the > whole issue Canonical Doubtful? > Actually, aren't all trials conducted in Heaven? Even if that's not the case, I would think that anything as important as the trial of an Archangel wouldn't be done on earth in front of humans. In Heaven, "resonance fuzz," at least in this case, is irrelevant. Eli either tells the truth (can't lie in Heaven), or refuses to answer. Erin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 16:47:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Contest: Asmodeus: Kata'im - --- nick sands wrote: > Kata'im > The Persuers > > Resonance > The Katai live for the chase, they are made from the forces of > captured > calabim and churubim. > The kata'im however always work in pairs, each one is different from > the > other because they have a chioce of TWO resonances. Interesting concept. I don't think it needs a minor Band -- a Calabite and a Djinn could do this, given the proper Songs and Attunements. A simpler way to do the same job would be to create a special Attunement that allows two demons a permanent mindlink (something like the Link power that was posted for Malakim and Bright Lilim a while back). I love the M.O. for these guys, though. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If all the world's a stage, where does the audience sit?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:07:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Rain, rain, go away (why the heck are no Archangels - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > >(P.S.: Isn't the weather pretty much Janus' job?) > > Yeah, sorta, except that none of his Servitors (except > Elohim) have much to do with the weather, and even the > Powers can't control it. Janus is falling off the > job, here. Two points here: 1) Janus is Archangel of the *Wind* -- precipitation was the job of the late Oannes, and sunshine presumeably falls within Gabriel's bailiwick. Unless it was part of Lucifer's. 2) I can't see Janus actually wanting to control the weather; he and his Servitors would (IMHO) be more concerned with responding to it. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If all the world's a stage, where does the audience sit?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:15:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> So who plays? - --- Thomas J Howell wrote: > So my question becomes - who on this list plays in a currently > running, > face-to-face In Nomine campaign that meets at least once > a month (and preferably 2+ times)? I'm quite curious to know. > I'm also curious to see player/GM ratios. You got me, Thomas. I used to run an IN campaign, but my playing group has scattered to the four winds (changing job schedules, enlisting in the military, that sort of thing). I am in the process of organizing a LARP, though -- which will start running as soon as I finish adapting the rules. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If all the world's a stage, where does the audience sit?" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:36:41 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> So who plays? I used to have an In Nomine game with five players. (4 guys, 1 chick.) Two of the players drifted away into semi-regulars. One of the players who was central to the game moved, and things fell apart. We played about 1-2 times a week. I have another game that I run about once every three weeks for people I don't usually game with. There are some 7 or so players -- I am not sure how many exactly. Two of 'em are chicks. Not the most fun game in the world, but it satisfies my urges. Another game that I ran online for five of my friends never made it past the second session. Two of the players never showed up for either session. Hopefully, I will be able to start a new In Nomine game. It's on my list, right under GURPS Old West... Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:11:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Collins Subject: Re: IN> Squicking David? (Re: Cathexis) > > Or maybe one that did all that _and_ forced the host > to write > bad Gor fanfic. > > And post it to the net. > > Using the author's real name. > That'd squick _me_ out... Erin (...who actually went out _looking_ for Gor after all these posts about it. One local used book store used to have a huge shelf in the back devoted mostly to Gor and similar juvenile series fiction, like Mack Bolan, but it's gone now. Guess I'll never no what I was missing...) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 20:47:34 -0500 From: Matt Trent Subject: Re: IN> Rain, rain, go away (why the heck are no Archangels of Weather) Maurice Lane wrote: > >(P.S.: Isn't the weather pretty much Janus' job?) > > Yeah, sorta, except that none of his Servitors (except > Elohim) have much to do with the weather, and even the > Powers can't control it. Janus is falling off the > job, here. I think he's still getting over the whole Onnaes (sp?) deal. I think that the two of them got together right after the Balandine/Beleth deal. Every rainstorm tends to remind him of that ancient love lost. Sorta sad for a guy who does the macho act so well. (and gives depth to an AA who desperately needs some... I've been holding my breath since the S1 playtest*) Of course you always have Jean to pick up the slack when needed. Matt Trent *Who's idea was it to do AAs who have already been detailed first anyway? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 20:51:34 -0500 From: Matt Trent Subject: Re: IN> Archangelic Serephim (was:Eli & Dominic) Charles Glasgow wrote: > >I think that every Judgement Angel would question the motives of a > >Creationer because of their Archangel's supposed heresy. > > You're forgetting the truth-reading powers of Seraphs, especially Judgement > Seraphs. They don't have to guess or suspect as to somebody's motives... > they just *ask* him, and then they know. (Or if they blow their resonance, > they just keep asking him over and over until they know.) And then they > decide based on the individual circumstances and motivations of the case at > hand, rather than blindly applying any hard-and-fast rule without regard to > the merits of the situation. > > Anything less would not be just. And you forget the easy and simple way to befuddle a seraph. "No Comment" Matt Trent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:00:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Can a Mere Servitor be Heretical? _You_ Make the Call! Another train idea. Good thing it popped into my head: once I get through with the Oops stuff currently in progress, I'll have pretty much said everything that I want to with that particular campaign idea, and I like playing with campaign ideas. Anyway, this guy's from something that's still bouncing around inside my head (Not Oops), and you really need to look at my Heretical Vapula for him to make any sense (found, appropriately enough, under heretics on my web page). Rough edges, but I'll be filing them off pretty soon. Enjoy, don't, try and guess where I'm going with this, throw rotten tomatoes. It's all good. :) Moe Basil Seraph Mentor of SCIENCE! Angel of Inspiration Corporeal Forces: 5 Strength: 10 Agility: 10 Ethereal Forces: 5 Intelligence: 10 Precision: 10 Celestial Forces: 5 Will: 10 Perception: 10 Word Forces: 16 Vessel: Human Male/4, Charisma +3 Skills: Chemistry/4, Dodge/4, Driving/2, Electronics/2, Emote/3, Fighting/5, Knowledge (The Media/6, Psychology/3), Ranged Weapon/2 (assault rifle), Savoir-Faire/3, Tactics/2 Songs: Attraction (Ethereal/3), Charm (Corporeal/4), Form (Celestial/3), Healing (Corporeal/2, Ethereal/4, Celestial/4), Light (Celestial/6), Shields (All/3), Thunder/3 Attunements: Seraph of SCIENCE!, Malakite of SCIENCE!, Bright Lilim of SCIENCE!, Mercurian of SCIENCE!, Mad Genius, Synthesis, Mentor, Angel of Inspiration. Rites: Basil gets a point of Essence every time his actions or presence encourages others to transcend his or her petty desires or fears. Angel of Inspiration: Basil's mere presence can bring out the best in people. For each point of Essence he spends, up to ten people will take heart from the Truth in his words of hope and determination. This, among other things, will completely protect those people from any demonic resonance for the next hour. Basil can even duplicate this effect via mass media, on a more limited scale: for each Essence he spends, up to 5% percent of those who listen to or see him will receive a +1 to any attempts to resist any demonic resonance for the next day. Hellsworn and celestials may make a Will roll to resist the effects, if they choose. Those Inspired by Basil also get a +1 to Will rolls for the same period. Basil is an enigma wrapped in a mystery and topped with a large hunk of confusion. He came along with Vapula when he Redeemed, and nobody can figure out who the Hell he was beforehand. The Seraphim Council is also not in the habit of handing out powerful Words to defectors without at least some testing first, but all of Vapula's Word-bound were made with insanely-quick speed. The Council doesn't discuss this at all. Those less prone to conspiracy theories point out that Basil seems to be on excellent terms with Vapula (to the point where he calls him "Gramps" in casual conversation), and that the unprecedented mass Redemption of most of an entire Word can lead to an equally unprecedented reaction. If nothing else, Basil's zeal and skill in promoting his Word has been all that the Host could ask for. Obviously, he spends a lot of his time in Inspiring people in the joys of science and technology (though some Archangels mutter that he'd be better suited working for them), but Basil will aid those of Faith or Destiny just as quickly. In his free time, Basil's chief hobby and joy seems to be frustrating the machinations of the Media: even for a former demon, he's got an uncanny ability to predict Nybbas' general strategies. Basil is also extremely good at using the Media's own blind spots to promote the ideals of Heaven. Michael and Laurence have begun to occasionally call on him for input: for some reason, Basil tends to work better with the former than the latter. The Prince of the Media has noticed this, of course, and it's driving him quietly nuts. What the Host hasn't realized yet is that Basil is too good at predicting the way Nybbas thinks: too good for anyone except a defector from the very highest level of the Media's organization, and every single one of those demons are accounted for. Nybbas doesn't have any more of a clue where this angel came from than most of the Host, which is senseless, given his former association with Vapula. That (plus the fact that, for a persistent thorn in the side, the kid shows proper respect) has kept the Prince of the Media from trying to destroy him until he can figure out the leak. Besides, the kid's good box office, in his own odd way: Basil's tactics actually promote some (admittedly insipid and goody-goody) aspects of the Media, rather than trying to destroy it outright, and increased market share is increased market share. Basil, personally, comes across as a polite, generous type who's always ready to help out another angel, just like all of the other original Servitors of SCIENCE!. Also, just like the rest of them, he's driven, grim and prone to waking up in the middle of the night screaming (angels aren't even supposed to have human-style dreams, let alone nightmares). He also seems to embody the combination of unbending resolution, irrational personal likes and dislikes, uncanny intuition and incredible naivete that most of Vapula's original Redeemed have already become infamous for. Other angels find him difficult to get along with at times, but well worth knowing for his uncanny ability to understand and emphasize with humanity, even the ones that really aren't all that nice. Basil can do wonders with people that the rest of the Host gave up on a long time ago. All in all, given his personality now, it's hard to believe that Basil was ever a demon. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:13:25 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Edelstein" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 4:26 PM Subject: Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) > Charles Glasgow wrote: > > No, I am not. I said that Judgement will not pass sentence on anyone until> after their trial. > > Note, however, that Judgment's version of a "trial" might be "Dominic > examines the evidence and passes a sentence." Thank you. Now please note that I already conceded that. It's just that since part of the evidence will be what Eli has to say for himself whilst speaking in the celestial tongue and with Dominic's resonance pinging him throughout, Dominic can't/won't pass sentence until he finally catches Eli for his long-overdue question-and-answer session... which is what I've been saying all along. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 22:14:12 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Archangelic Serephim (was:Eli & Dominic) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Trent" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 8:51 PM Subject: Re: IN> Archangelic Serephim (was:Eli & Dominic) > Charles Glasgow wrote: > > You're forgetting the truth-reading powers of Seraphs, especially Judgement > > Seraphs. They don't have to guess or suspect as to somebody's motives... > > they just *ask* him, and then they know. (Or if they blow their resonance, > > they just keep asking him over and over until they know.) And then they > > decide based on the individual circumstances and motivations of the case at > > hand, rather than blindly applying any hard-and-fast rule without regard to > > the merits of the situation. > > > > Anything less would not be just. > > And you forget the easy and simple way to befuddle a seraph. "No > Comment" I'm sure Dominic has enough Essence to spend that he can get a six on his check digit whenever he wants to. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:37:12 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) At 10:13 PM -0500 9/5/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: > >It's just that since part of the evidence will be what Eli has to say for >himself whilst speaking in the celestial tongue and with Dominic's resonance >pinging him throughout, Dominic can't/won't pass sentence until he finally >catches Eli for his long-overdue question-and-answer session... which is >what I've been saying all along. Mm. I'm not sure I agree 100%. Sup1 essentially states that Dominic is already convinced of the verdict. I think he sees this particular trial as more of the ritual of Judgement, not an examination of the evidence. He has been briefed, more than once, that Eli believes that this is the way he should serve God. Unless Eli directly claims God ordered him onto Earth (which I for one don't think is true) Dominic isn't likely to accept anything Eli would say as justification for abandoning his Mosque and Heavenly, Archangelic duty. Which is the crime -- desertion, more or less -- that he is accused of. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:38:28 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Archangelic Serephim (was:Eli & Dominic) At 10:14 PM -0500 9/5/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: > > > And you forget the easy and simple way to befuddle a seraph. "No >> Comment" > >I'm sure Dominic has enough Essence to spend that he can get a six on his >check digit whenever he wants to. That doesn't affect a "no comment" response. Only a false one. (Or, possibly, it could reveal that the person does indeed *have* a comment.) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:06:00 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Archangelic Serephim (was:Eli & Dominic) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Whistling in the Dark" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 10:38 PM Subject: Re: IN> Archangelic Serephim (was:Eli & Dominic) > At 10:14 PM -0500 9/5/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: > > > > > And you forget the easy and simple way to befuddle a seraph. "No > >> Comment" > > > >I'm sure Dominic has enough Essence to spend that he can get a six on his > >check digit whenever he wants to. > > That doesn't affect a "no comment" response. Only a false one. Eh? I thought that a six meant that you knew the Truth of and behind the person's response, straight from the Symphony... which would include, in this case, the exact Truth of *why* the questionee didn't want to speak to you. > (Or, possibly, it could reveal that the person does indeed *have* a comment.) Or why exactly he'd rather not comment? - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:09:51 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Whistling in the Dark" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 10:37 PM Subject: Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) > At 10:13 PM -0500 9/5/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: > > > >It's just that since part of the evidence will be what Eli has to say for > >himself whilst speaking in the celestial tongue and with Dominic's resonance > >pinging him throughout, Dominic can't/won't pass sentence until he finally > >catches Eli for his long-overdue question-and-answer session... which is > >what I've been saying all along. > > Mm. I'm not sure I agree 100%. Sup1 essentially states that Dominic > is already convinced of the verdict. I think he sees this particular > trial as more of the ritual of Judgement, not an examination of the > evidence. He has been briefed, more than once, that Eli believes that > this is the way he should serve God. Unless Eli directly claims God > ordered him onto Earth (which I for one don't think is true) Dominic > isn't likely to accept anything Eli would say as justification for > abandoning his Mosque and Heavenly, Archangelic duty. Which is the > crime -- desertion, more or less -- that he is accused of. Well, the thing is is that desertion isn't merely being absent from your post for an extended period of time, it is being absent from your post for an extended period of time *without leave*. While Dominic is 99% certain that Eli didn't have leave, or permission, before taking off for the tall timber, he's still -- IMO -- responsible enough to bear in mind the possibility that Eli may actually have had just cause to do what he did, in Heaven's name. Like a prosecutor with what he thinks is an air-tight case vs. a suspect, Dominic sincerely believes that Eli is guilty. But like a responsible judge, Dominic will not -- IMO, at least -- actually *pronounce* Eli guilty until after Eli gets his fair trial. Especially given Judgement's dissonance condition -- that it is dissonant to punish someone out of proportion for the crime committed, *counting individual circumstances*. Dominic cannot sentence anyone until *after* he knows the details of their particular situation and case... not without risking dissonance. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 00:15:19 -0700 From: Rolland Therrien Subject: Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) - -----Original Message----- From: Whistling in the Dark To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Cc: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 8:51 PM Subject: Re: Eli & Dominic (was Re: IN> Cross Archangel Help) >At 10:13 PM -0500 9/5/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: >> >>It's just that since part of the evidence will be what Eli has to say for >>himself whilst speaking in the celestial tongue and with Dominic's resonance >>pinging him throughout, Dominic can't/won't pass sentence until he finally >>catches Eli for his long-overdue question-and-answer session... which is >>what I've been saying all along. > >Mm. I'm not sure I agree 100%. Sup1 essentially states that Dominic >is already convinced of the verdict. I think he sees this particular >trial as more of the ritual of Judgement, not an examination of the >evidence. He has been briefed, more than once, that Eli believes that >this is the way he should serve God. Unless Eli directly claims God >ordered him onto Earth (which I for one don't think is true) Dominic >isn't likely to accept anything Eli would say as justification for >abandoning his Mosque and Heavenly, Archangelic duty. Which is the >crime -- desertion, more or less -- that he is accused of. That's mostly because Dominic didn't hear it from Eli himself. The Archangels who told him about Eli's statements weren't Seraphim, so it's likely Eli could've lied to them, and they told Dominic what they believed was the truth. Until Dominic hears the truth DIRECTLY from Eli, he's gonna have doubts about that "I believe this is the best way to serve God" line. And you have to admit, Eli not giving his story directly to Dom is a pretty suspicious move; so Dominic can suspect Eli's up to something (which all investigators do), but until he can bring Eli in for Judegement, he's not 100% sure. - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1807 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.