From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Sep 7 19:00:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA06350; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:00:59 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id SAA14289 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:58:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:58:12 -0500 Message-Id: <200009072358.SAA14289@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1810 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, September 7 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1810 In this digest: Re: IN> CONTEST: The most horrifying demon in the world. Re: IN> So who plays? IN> Truth in labelling IN> Lilim Re: IN> So who plays? Off-topic artillery (was Re: IN> re: Seraphim of Judgement) IN> Pussius revision Re:Off-topic artillery (was Re: IN> re: Seraphim of Judgement) Re: IN> re: Seraphim of Judgement IN> In Nomine Collection IN> New servitor Re: IN> CONTEST: The most horrifying demon in the world. Re: IN> Pussius revision (Sick Demon contest...) IN> Chained Geas and Discord Re: IN> New servitor Re: IN> Relevent News Re: IN> Relevent News Re: IN> Relevent News Re: IN> Chained Geas and Discord Re: IN> Lilim Re: IN> Relevent News Re: IN>_CONTEST: _The_most_horrifying_demon_in_the_world. Re: IN>_CONTEST: _The_most_horrifying_demon_in_the_world. IN> Contest-Most Horrofying Demon in the World Re: IN> re: Seraphim of Judgement Re: IN> Contest-Most Horrofying Demon in the World ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:53:23 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> CONTEST: The most horrifying demon in the world. (All of them so far seem to have involved children. Thought I'd get away from that for mine.) Terkare Habbalite of Fate Considering the Word of "See If I'll Ever Help One Of *Them* Again..." Terkare, like all Habbalites, really *believes.* He's an angel, and he can point to proof - he inspires good people to do good things. And, of course, no good deed goes unPunished. People need to understand how harsh the world really is. Doing good deeds is necessary and right, a declaration he makes so frequently that other demons wonder why Kronos keeps him around. But, and here's the important part, people need to suffer for it. According to Terkare, it's not a selfless act unless you know that it's going to hurt you, going to be painful and sorrowful. So he finds the people that are ready to be selfless, and makes sure they know exactly how much it will cost them. Terkare has done more to dissuade humans from good deeds than any blunt evil could ever provide. He invites charity and sympathy, often taking vessels and Roles of people down on their luck. He has Begging down to an art, but only uses the finer points to winnow out those people who really don't care. If somebody truly cares, he'll apply his skills to get them do something selfless and caring for him, such as giving a substantial sum of money, inviting him out to a meal, or into their car for a ride if he's hitchhiking. If no one in the area seems to be ready to bother, an application of his resonance to cause some deep sympathy will create a useful victim. If a person has committed themselves personally, the plan is to see just how much they're ready to stick to it in the face of all else. If Terkare's been invited into a restaurant for a hot meal, you can bet that by the end of dinner he will be cursing out the staff, punching his benefactor, and breaking everything he can get his hands on. If some man gave a nice old woman a substantial wardrobe to protect her from the chill, she will show up at a police station later that evening, freshly bruised by a helpful fellow demon, claiming sexual assault, complete with hair and fiber evidence and a description of the suspect and his locale. It takes a strong-willed police sergeant, not to mention jury, to resist the feelings of overwhelming sympathy for Terkare and anger at the defendant who would take advantage of a helpless old woman. And God forbid you let nice-seeming street kid into your house - turn your back for a minute and he'll rob you blind. If it took an application of Resonance, Terkare will conclude that the area needs a wake-up call. His victim is led into some isolated spot and savagely assaulted, any possessions stolen to provide a cover story, and always left alive to cover the story. Unless, of course, he'd been seen by friends helping out the needy - then there's no need to leave him alive, since everyone will know the consequences. The roles and vessels Terkare uses are many and varied. Kronos doesn't mind providing them. He'll travel all walks of life, convincing individuals and(through media coverage of his exploits) whole communities that it's useless and counterproductive to engage in charitable, kind, or merciful acts toward anyone that needs it - the homeless, handicapped, poor, sick, uneducated, or others. His acts have permeated the modern consciousness, become the stuff of urban legends and many a worldview. A special triumph, in his eyes, is making some of the large charitable organizations more cautious and hide-bound about their choices of recipients. A few well-placed lawsuits against benefactors had real potential to squash charitable activity, until the passage of Good Samaritan laws to protect deeds done in kindness - a cowardly and counterproductive shielding, in his eyes. A truly good deed needs risk, and he's there to provide it. William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 00:54:14 +0100 From: Pak Chan Subject: Re: IN> So who plays? At 06:37 06/09/2000 +0000, you wrote: >And there's the one-shot that Genevieve & I ran last weekend at GenCon UK, >of course. (Which wasn't bad since we only decided to do it about about >midnight the previous evening.) I'm almost tempted to post the pregen PCs, >but I don't know if we might want to use them again, and wouldn't want to >spoil it for people. Aaarrrggghhhh!!!! You ran a game there, and I missed it? I went up to the SJGames room on the Thursday to see if I could get a game, to find out that none had been arranged. I had no luck the next day, so I gave up trying. Should have persevered... >jo Next year, I _will_ remember to mail the list and find out who else is turning up. BTW, I seem to vaguely remember that someone was doing IN/Nobilis rules on this mailing list. Are they finished? I've taken a look at Nobilis, and it looks...very high powered. Could be interesting if I ever get my players onto In Nomine (too many games running at the moment), as the game will probably oscillate between "the grunts" and some cut scenes where the players will get to run some superiors. It would be nice if the superiors could manifest their power "appropriately". It should be a suitably epic campaign! Pak ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 00:06:08 GMT From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Truth in labelling Okay, if you guys are going to have a Gross Demon Contest, please label your entries clearly and distinctly so those of us who wish to skip the entire thread will be able to do so easily with judicious use of the Delete key. Thanking you in advance, Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 09:36:00 +0930 From: Gnezda Subject: IN> Lilim Can someone please tell me when lilim were first created? I'm pretty sure it says when in the GM's Guide, but I lent mine to a friend. Thanks :) Milan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 19:21:31 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> So who plays? > Pak Chan wrote: > BTW, I seem to vaguely remember that someone was doing IN/Nobilis rules on> this mailing list. Are they finished? I posted a rough draft: http://www.amadan.org/nobilis/IN-Nobilis.html - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:22:48 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Off-topic artillery (was Re: IN> re: Seraphim of Judgement) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "-=|horsefly|=-" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:20 PM Subject: Re: IN> re: Seraphim of Judgement > Happiness is a laser designator and a friend in the artillery battalion. > --Clayton A. Oliver Naaah... a good friend in the Fire Direction Center. *eg* - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:29:51 -0400 From: "Charles phipps" Subject: IN> Pussius revision >Okaaaaay... "In Nomine" meets "Dr. Giggles" meets "Alien." Ick. I'd >say you've succeeded brilliantly here. Thanks! I forgot to add his stats and attunements. Let me finish him off.... Pussius Renegade Shedim (Former) Servant of Saminga Cor-5 Str-12 Agil-8 Eth-2 Int-4 Pre-4 Cel-2 Will-4 Per-4 Artifact: Scalpel 3/ (no victem will die of wounds inflicted by it) Skills: Medicine (Gynocology, Herbalistic, Pediatrics) /5, Fighting /5, Chemistry /3 Songs: Song of Creation 6/ (Don't ask for the love of God), Song of Healing (Corporeal 3/) Song of Entropy 3/ Attunements: Shedim of Saminga, Zombi, Vampiric Kiss Discord: Glutonous /2, Need 1/ (Children), Lustful 1/ (For God sakes don't ask) Pussius has a very unique M.O. that makes him so disgustingly loathesome to Christopher that he has a substantial bounty on his head in Heaven to any renegade or angel who takes him out. Asmodeus is after the little creep because of his blowing the cover of Hell so bloody wide open with his "acts of love". Saminga isn't aware his servant is renegade and finds frankly what he does "kewl". Pussius is a Shedim who is currently working towards the word of the Unborn. Believing that fetal children are the most innocent beings on the world he has preyed on them for close to two thousand years since the times of the Romans always seeking some new way to prey on them be it drugs, surgery, or other methodologies that are painful. Of course it was never pleasant for the mother but in his guises as the murderous midwife, doctor, and herbalist he never had a slow supply of those who either cared or cared not for those inside them. Along the way Pussius like so many demons in the universe who become devoted to a concept without achieving it's word, he snapped. Frankly snapped Shedim are not exactly the most etiquette bound beings in the world anyways. It started simple enough with him developing an urge to take into him the essence of what he destroyed so he began to devour his victems's remains, then it eventually moved to possesing the unborn as they were slowly destroyed by his drugs, it finally moved to where it currently stands. Pussius travels now finding unborn children and with the power of a shedim moves into their bodies and rips from their womb to slaughter the mother, family, and passers by around him. Their trusting little wills are so weak he's wondering why the Hell hasn't anyone thought of this before. Asmodeus has an answer.... **** - - -Charles Phipps Nine out of ten Seraphim can tell whether or not it's Diet Coke or Coke Classic There you go. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Sep 2000 00:38:50 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re:Off-topic artillery (was Re: IN> re: Seraphim of Judgement) On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:22:48 -0500 Charles Glasgow wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "-=|horsefly|=-" >> Happiness is a laser designator and a friend in the artillery battalion. >> --Clayton A. Oliver > >Naaah... a good friend in the Fire Direction Center. *eg* heh, i'll pass that along. -=|horsefly|=- "It was a different time: a time of blood and guns and killings.... It was a time when killers needed saints, for so much of God's good work was being done." --SAINT OF KILLERS #4, Garth Ennis ------------------------------ Date: 7 Sep 2000 01:05:37 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> re: Seraphim of Judgement On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:05:58 Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 11:20 PM +0000 9/6/00, -=|horsefly|=- wrote: >[...] >>>p. 39, Automatic Success. >> ahh, much comfort. neato, too. man... odd that the > >>original author didn't even reference the In Nomine style-guide.... ;) >There _wasn't_ a styleguide for the main book. I mostly codified the >*&^(*^()&^ different capitalizations, picking the most logical and/or >the ones that looked the best, when given fifteen different versions. umm, the smiley was supposed to signal that i was joking. i'll be very glad when In Nomine 2nd ed comes out for consistency of IN terminology alone. the revisions in mechanics will be icing on the cake (which tells you where my preferences lie, for the most part--i STILL want useful Fire Attunements, damn it!). >>>>Seraphim of Judgment with the Destiny and Lightning Seraphim Attunements >>>>can be fun, too--or at least, i'm hoping this one will be. >>>Eeee! What insane GM is letting you get all those? Only thing that keeps >> i need a GM to let me create a character? that's news. >Well, if you're going to _play_ one, the GM needs to be involved with >what the character can do -- especially cross-Superior attunements. agreed . >I mean, if you're just having fun _making_ the character, without >actually intending to play it, you can do that on your own. (But forsooth! >saying you're hoping one will be fun sounded like you were gonna >play it! ) oh, i intend to, but with the local interest in In Nomine being what it is (re the "who plays" thread), i'll be lucky if i ever get to play my Kyriotate again, never mind other characters i've created before and since. i always create characters which i hope will be fun to play (the better ones are those i begin referring to as "who" and "whom" rather than "which"), otherwise, what's the point? i suppose you could create characters as thought exercises, and i admit to having done this, but the character has to have a fun angle, otherwise i'll twist it until it has one. sometimes, though, i wind up twisting my brain instead . >>>Judgment Seraphim in check is that they're sll poker-spined and kind of >>>specialized... (IMO, o'course.) O:> >> specialized i grant you, but poker-spined very much depends on the age >>and experience of the Seraph in question. >Age, maybe -- experience, definitely. I'm sure that there are old Seraphim by age, i mean "when the Seraph was created/fledged", as per the references in Superiors 1 under Dominic--most of the Righteous were formed directly after the Fall (or remember it themselves) or situations (paraquoting) 'when Dominic was more bitter than normal' while the Merciful remember more closely the time before the Fall rather than the Fall itself and situations similar. >of Judgment who are so rigidly-spined that you could hand them to the >Angel of Hitting People With Big Sticks as a substitute weapon... They've LMAO no question; no argument! >just always seen circumstances that agreed with their biases, and continued >to be Righteous. there's an urge to play a Righteous Servitor of Judgment now that i've read that section, but i don't want the character i've already created to be that kind. i'll just make another character. >>i prefer making experienced, older >>Celestials, though i've a few characters who are still wet behind the ears >>(like my Cherub of War on his first Earth-assignment in a tabby Vessal...). >>reading up on Dominic in Superiors 1, i'm definitely making this Seraph a >>member of the Merciful faction. >They're easier to get along with, yeah. Though sometime I might be amused >by playing someone like Zadoc. Probably as a oneshot... sure. i wouldn't even mind playing someone like Zadoc on a regular basis. hell, if the GM approved and the story wouldn't be cramped by it, i'd play her as written. the fun bit would be showing her just how much like a Habbalah she is (by that i mean delusional, so focused upon the negative as she is). but then, when i read Zadoc i thought she'd intentionally been created for a darker campaign. >>Happiness is a laser designator and a friend in the artillery battalion. >> --Clayton A. Oliver >I like this. :) glad to please. further off-topic, i never knew kittens liked cheesy goldfish until mine tried over a dozen times to knock the bowl over for herself just now. -=|horsefly|=- If I ever wanted to say 'gwrthwynebiad', I'd probably kill myself by choking on my own tongue. =) - --John Karakash ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:52:47 -0400 From: "Charles phipps" Subject: IN> In Nomine Collection Hey EDG when you updating the page? ;-) The stuff looks good but you mentioned you were a while back. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 13:26:21 +0930 From: Gnezda Subject: IN> New servitor A new word-bound servitor of Kobal. Homer, the calabim of 'Ringing people's doorbells, then quickly running away just before the residents reach the door.' This demon really does nothing evil, just enjoys having a good time and is often found ringing doorbells at old people's houses, especially people who need walking frames. :) Milan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 05:06:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> CONTEST: The most horrifying demon in the world. On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, William J. Keith wrote: > (All of them so far seem to have involved children. Thought I'd get away > from that for mine.) Cool. Kids are a definite hot button, but there's definitely more. > Terkare > Habbalite of Fate > Considering the Word of "See If I'll Ever Help One Of *Them* Again..." I really liked this one! I definitely couldn't call him the nastiest demon around, but this guy is DEFINITELY working hard for the forces of Hell (in the name of the Lord, of course). I bet Malphas is on good terms with him... - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "There he goes - one of God's own prototypes. A high powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production... too weird to live, too rare to die." -- Hunter Thompson, "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 05:00:48 EDT From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Pussius revision (Sick Demon contest...) In a message dated 9/7/00 12:39:40 AM, tcp@zoomnet.net writes: >Songs: Song of Creation 6/ (Don't ask for the love of God), Song of Healing > >(Corporeal 3/) Song of Entropy 3/ I would have thought a slate of Numinous Corpus (Claws, definitely, Tail, tounge, and Horns, possibly one or two) would have gone in here - the classic 'Demon inside chewing it's way out' schtick. (Btw - this one didn't give me the willies, can you tell?) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 20:28:51 +0930 From: Gnezda Subject: IN> Chained Geas and Discord Just wondering, who here considers the IPG lilim discord, Chained Geas, an actual discord? I mean, could you see it as a visible discord in itself? To me, if you don't have any geases on you, then the chained geas probably wouldn't really register. The only problem with this is, potentially, it gives lilim pcs up to an extra 18 free points worth of resources if they bought it at level 6 since they start with no geas at creation (unless they're free lilim of course) yet they won't register as being 'discordant'. But still, if used within reason, it should be cool. Just my thoughts anyway. Milan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 09:34:40 -0700 From: Rolland Therrien Subject: Re: IN> New servitor - -----Original Message----- From: Gnezda To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 9:06 PM Subject: IN> New servitor >A new word-bound servitor of Kobal. > >Homer, the calabim of 'Ringing people's doorbells, then quickly running >away just before the residents reach the door.' > >This demon really does nothing evil, just enjoys having a good time and >is often found ringing doorbells at old people's houses, especially >people who need walking frames. :) I assume he's also the inventor of the infamous "Flaming bag of $#&% left on the door step" Gag. - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 10:32:45 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Relevent News Tim Groth wrote: > Story about the Pope approving a theological document affirming > that Catholism is #1 and everyone else has got it partially wrong. David Edelstein wrote: > This is new? The position expressed is not new at all, of course. That they should decide to re-state it just now is news, though. I am always somewhat bemused by expressed or implied offense in response to anyone declaring "We're right, so you're wrong." Any school of thought, be it religious, political, artistic, scientific, or whatnot, automatically implies that other schools that disagree with it are wrong. Of course, saying "you're wrong" out loud, rather than leaving it implied, is a gesture with diplomatic meaning and consequences. The article sounded to me like the Church was saying, "We're not going to go all post-modernist on this ecumenical business and say that truth doesn't matter, that we're all just telling different and equally neat stories." Actually, compared to past attitudes, this one was mild. It specifically allowed that members of other Christian churches were really fellow Christians despite their churches' defects, and it appeared to deliberately stop short of saying that non- Christians were all automatically damned. To haul this back to IN by the scruff of its neck, has anyone posited a Demon of Post-Modernism, dedicated to undermining belief in the very idea of truth? It'd be Balseraph, surely, or just possibly a very intellectual Calabite. Fate, Media, and Dark Humor are plausible Superiors. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:30:01 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Relevent News At 10:32 AM -0500 9/7/00, Earl Wajenberg wrote: > >To haul this back to IN by the scruff of its neck, has anyone >posited a Demon of Post-Modernism, dedicated to undermining >belief in the very idea of truth? It'd be Balseraph, surely, >or just possibly a very intellectual Calabite. Fate, Media, >and Dark Humor are plausible Superiors. Somewhere in the logs (I have no idea where) I wrote up the Demon of Literary Criticism, and indicated he had under him the Demon of Post-Modernism, the Demon of Deconstructionism, and so forth.... They were all Servitors of Malphas in that writeup, by the by. The Demon of Post-Modernism I'd assume was a Balseraph or a Habbalite. A Deconstructionist Demon would definitely be a Balseraph, since (one of) the essences of Deconstructionism is reapplying one's viewpoint on the deconstructed Work, inverting values, reinventing protagonist and antagonist, reversing styles and the like. Across the board, of course, which is why a Deconstructionist interpretation of the Tempest might raise Caliban to the level of main character and Prospero to the marginal. Taken a little deeper, Post-Modernism means things like exposed ductwork in building architecture and the like. All still inversion of values and the senses, so Balseraph may be a prime candidate, yes. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 16:14:54 GMT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Relevent News >From: Whistling in the Dark >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >CC: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Relevent News >Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:30:01 -0400 > >At 10:32 AM -0500 9/7/00, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >> >>To haul this back to IN by the scruff of its neck, has anyone >>posited a Demon of Post-Modernism, dedicated to undermining >>belief in the very idea of truth? It'd be Balseraph, surely, >>or just possibly a very intellectual Calabite. Fate, Media, >>and Dark Humor are plausible Superiors. > >Somewhere in the logs (I have no idea where) I wrote up the Demon of >Literary Criticism, and indicated he had under him the Demon of >Post-Modernism, the Demon of Deconstructionism, and so forth.... > Post-Modernism has to be a demon of the Game! It changed the rules :) jo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:20:05 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Chained Geas and Discord At 8:28 PM +0930 9/7/00, Gnezda wrote: >Just wondering, who here considers the IPG lilim discord, Chained Geas, >an actual discord? I mean, could you see it as a visible discord in >itself? Sure -- if you have Geases, they look more solid. If you don't, then A: the GM shouldn't be giving you the points for the Chained Geases Discord in teh First place, and B: there would be some supernatural effect to be determined by theGM. Yeah, it ould be abused but only if the GM is a WIMP and allows it. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:02:40 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Lilim At 9:36 AM +0930 9/7/00, Gnezda wrote: >Can someone please tell me when lilim were first created? I'm pretty >sure it says when in the GM's Guide, but I lent mine to a friend. Actually, I don't think it does. One would have to extrapolate from when Lilith was made Princess. "Sometime after that" is about all I know. This is, mind, working from memory alone. If I move to get the books, the baby will wake. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 15:53:53 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Relevent News Earl Wajenberg wrote: > To haul this back to IN by the scruff of its neck, has anyone > posited a Demon of Post-Modernism, dedicated to undermining > belief in the very idea of truth? It'd be Balseraph, surely, > or just possibly a very intellectual Calabite. Fate, Media, > and Dark Humor are plausible Superiors. Urk! I might just have to work on that one. As soon as I'm finished with my Demon of Fandom, that is. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:23:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN>_CONTEST: _The_most_horrifying_demon_in_the_world. Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:02:59 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Enanidah=20Kallai?= Subject: Re: IN>_CONTEST: _The_most_horrifying_demon_in_the_world. >Janet, Free Lilim >Aiming for the Word Of Children > >She likes children, she always has - they are the most >perfectly Selfish creatures until human education >spoils them - so she aims to find them before >Christopher's teachers can teach them all about >sharing and caring. Nasty enough idea, but can she last long enough to get the Word before the sixteen Malakim of Children show up and start playing Kick the Can on her butt? I mean, she's definitely on Chris' hit list as is: God forbid she actually gets the Word (it _is_ Superior-level, and the Great Gabriel/Belial Inexplicable Hangfire and Awful Example is a constant reminder of why Superior-level Word friction is a Bad Idea). Still, I liked the idea. Subtle, it is, and it lets the reader come up with his/her own unpleasant visions of just what this demoness does... :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:23:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN>_CONTEST: _The_most_horrifying_demon_in_the_world. Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:02:59 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Enanidah=20Kallai?= Subject: Re: IN>_CONTEST: _The_most_horrifying_demon_in_the_world. >Janet, Free Lilim >Aiming for the Word Of Children > >She likes children, she always has - they are the most >perfectly Selfish creatures until human education >spoils them - so she aims to find them before >Christopher's teachers can teach them all about >sharing and caring. Nasty enough idea, but can she last long enough to get the Word before the sixteen Malakim of Children show up and start playing Kick the Can on her butt? I mean, she's definitely on Chris' hit list as is: God forbid she actually gets the Word (it _is_ Superior-level, and the Great Gabriel/Belial Inexplicable Hangfire and Awful Example is a constant reminder of why Superior-level Word friction is a Bad Idea). Still, I liked the idea. Subtle, it is, and it lets the reader come up with his/her own unpleasant visions of just what this demoness does... :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:38:21 -0400 From: "Charles phipps" Subject: IN> Contest-Most Horrofying Demon in the World **Warning Causal Evil Ahead** Armando Duke of Carnal Pleasure Djinn of Andrephalus Demon of Rape Cor-6 Str-12 Agi-12 Eth-4 Int-8 Pre-8 Cel-6 Will-12 Per-12 Artifacts: Date-Rape Drugs (various one use from 1-4), Fiery Sword, Brass Knuckles (+3 to hit Ethereal Talismen) Vessel: Human 4/, Goat-Ape-Lion-Human Creature 6/ Skills: Detect Lies 3/, Emote 5/, Fast Talk 3/, Fighting 6/, Large Weapon (Sword) 3/, Lying 6/, Move Silently 3/, Riding 4/, Running 3/, Seduction 3/, Small Weapon (Knife) 3/, Tracking 5/ Songs: Attraction (Ethereal 5/, Celestial 5/), Charm (Corporeal 6/, Ethereal 3/, Celestial 6/), Dreams (Corporeal 4/, Ethereal 4/), Entropy (Ethereal 5/), Form (Ethereal 4/), Harmony (Ethereal 3/), Healing (Corporeal 3), Posession (Celestial 3/), Tongues (Corporeal 4) Attunements: Baron of Eternal Ectasy, Dark Desire, Djinn of Lust, Duke of Carnal Pleasure, Kiss of Death, Marquis of Tortourous Sensuality, Score, Silence of the Victem, Polarize Discord: Sadistic 2/ Silence of the Victem: This is an ability that Armando truly enjoys indulging years and years of life. With a sucessful resisted Will check (and very few beings can overcome his will) Armando makes any victem of Rape unable to speak about the experience. On a check of 6 the Roll will actually cause the person in question (angel or mortal) to view something they did to have deserved it. Rite * Rape a man or woman * Convince Someone that Rape is not all that bad (+2 essence) Armando has held the word of Rape for about eight hundred years since the previous two holders of the word (a servitor of Gebunath who died not long after his prince and an Andrephalus warrior who perished at a Michaelites blade) met unfortunate ends. Armando considers himself rather lucky to have such a powerful word since it's frankly just doing what he enjoys. The Spartans, American Soldiers, Vikings, Stepfathers, Prisoners not getting their "fix", Sailors, Swinging Singles, and Frat boys. Armando has done it with and to it all. He appears primarily as a plain looking man usually dressed in ratty filthy clothes that are often covered in god knows what from his last encounter. It doesn't count after all if someone falls for you willingly. He thus deliberately looks like the most digusting sleaze in the room even if he has a nice personality. His combat form is for when he meets angels and otherwise feels "kinky". As a Djinn he recognizes the innate impersonal nature of sex best and personally does his best to disassociate it from love and companionship he can, associating it with a scoring system has worked best through a few thousand years and also he's considered making it more a drug. Despite his Prince's distaste for Fleurity Armando has made a lot of overtures to the Prince for drugs that he can pass around to his friends to make their partners alittle more loose. Armando eventually hopes this will give rise to women raping more as frankly men seem to be doing it all to box sexes. Armando's not without ties to the Media and has asked on a few occasions a personal favor to have rape portrayed as a bit more anti-heroish. He also appreciates it that women who are abused are portrayed as somehow addicted to their attackers rather than being stalked. It makes it more easier for his "buds" to deny it when they might run to the police. Child abuse is his favorite and he loves it because it's such a big cash cow of essence, no one believes kids and they can't fight back. Armando to his disgust has occasionally gotton personally attached to a human or two and lived vicariously through their corruption and recovery from rape. It's led to a small ammount of vicious dissonance where he has to harm and destroy those he comes to care for. Armando hates these times because their not "Cool" and tend to disrupt his laid back attitude. Armando unknowingly has an enemy in the Demon Princess Lilith. His final Elevation from Marquis to Duke came when he raped and murdered one of Dominic's Bright Lilim two hundred years ago, mailing the parts remaining to her Davidian love. On two occasions since then he's taken "rebellious" Lilim out for a night on the town to help with his work and destroyed them too. Lilith isn't ready to destroy such a sucessful servitor of her ally yet, but he's rapidly developing a taste for Lilim because they scream so well for mommy. **Evil ended** - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:17:14 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> re: Seraphim of Judgement At 1:05 AM +0000 9/7/00, -=|horsefly|=- wrote: >On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:05:58 Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >>At 11:20 PM +0000 9/6/00, -=|horsefly|=- wrote: >>[...] > umm, the smiley was supposed to signal that i was joking. Ahhhhh. Okay. > i'll be very glad when In Nomine 2nd ed comes out for consistency of IN >terminology alone. the revisions in mechanics will be icing on the cake (which >tells you where my preferences lie, for the most part--i STILL want useful Fire >Attunements, damn it!). SMITE! *ahem* O:> >>[...](But saying you're hoping one will be fun sounded like you were gonna >>play it! ) > oh, i intend to, [...] > i always create characters which i hope will be fun to play (the better ones are those i begin referring to as "who" and "whom" rather than "which"), Ahhhhh. >otherwise, what's the point? i suppose you could create characters as thought >exercises, and i admit to having done this, but the character has to have a fun >angle, otherwise i'll twist it until it has one. sometimes, though, i wind up >twisting my brain instead . I create NPCs, characters for fanfic, thought exercises, munchkin evilness (see K.K.) which often overlaps with 1 and 3... And to play sometimes. O:> >>> specialized i grant you, but poker-spined very much depends on the age >>>and experience of the Seraph in question. >>Age, maybe -- experience, definitely. I'm sure that there are old Seraphim > by age, i mean "when the Seraph was created/fledged", Ah. _Vintage_! (A very fine Seraph, created in the heighth of the Renaissance...) That makes sense. > there's an urge to play a Righteous Servitor of Judgment now that i've >read that section, but i don't want the character i've already created to be >that kind. i'll just make another character. Makes sense, yup, yup. The more the merrier! >>They're easier to get along with, yeah. Though sometime I might be amused >>by playing someone like Zadoc. Probably as a oneshot... > sure. i wouldn't even mind playing someone like Zadoc on a regular >basis. hell, if the GM approved and the story wouldn't be cramped by it, i'd >play her as written. the fun bit would be showing her just how much like a >Habbalite she is (by that i mean delusional, so focused upon the negative as >she is). but then, when i read Zadoc i thought she'd intentionally been >created for a darker campaign. Actually, you could use her for comic relief as well. Or frustration, or threat, or any number of things... Sometime when the baby is less likely to wake up unexpectedly, I should try to come up with all the different uses that you can do with her, as written. It all depends on how the universe around her is structured, you see -- how much power does she have to make the PCs' lives miserable? > :) glad to please. further off-topic, i never knew kittens liked cheesy >goldfish until mine tried over a dozen times to knock the bowl over for herself >just now. Kitties generally _love_ cheese. Huntington, though, would sometimes eat dried dates. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:02:45 -0500 From: "James Bearse & Brandy Badenoch" Subject: Re: IN> Contest-Most Horrofying Demon in the World Does the most horrifying demon in the world really have to be sexually-based? We're definitely seeing this as a theme here. In addition, are you trying for a gut-level revulsion, or a true grandiose evil that overshadows everything? Just hoping to broaden the field a little. Savage Wombat ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1810 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.