From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Sep 12 01:08:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA09381 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:08:09 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id BAA28398 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:04:53 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:04:53 -0500 Message-Id: <200009120604.BAA28398@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1816 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, September 12 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1816 In this digest: Re: IN> Stripping Word-Forces (Re: Contest) IN> Tether ideas Re: IN> Tether ideas Re: IN> Need inspiration badly. Please, give generously. Re: IN> Need inspiration badly. Please, give generously. Re: IN> Need inspiration badly. Please, give generously. Re: IN> Need inspiration badly. Please, give generously. Re: IN> Need inspiration badly. Please, give generously. IN> Fluff. That's all it is, fluff. No hidden meanings, no philophical positions. Just fluff. RE: IN> IN FPS? IN> Recovering the Lost Words Re: IN> Need inspiration badly. Please, give generously. Re: IN> Recovering the Lost Words IN> Can Servitors of David take part in food fights? Re: IN> Can Servitors of David take part in food fights? Re: IN> Can Servitors of David take part in food fights? IN> "...and says his prayers by night..." RE: IN> "...and says his prayers by night..." IN> The Joke Re: IN> "...and says his prayers by night..." Re: IN> "...and says his prayers by night..." Re: IN> Recovering the Lost Words RE: IN> "...and says his prayers by night..." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:06:02 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Stripping Word-Forces (Re: Contest) - --On Saturday, September 9, 2000 9:45 AM -0400 Whistling in the Dark wrote: > At 9:55 AM -0400 9/9/00, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> At 8:38 AM -0500 9/9/00, David Edelstein wrote: >> Then again, I might be the only person in the world to have >> migranes that didn't have visual effects, for all I know. > > Oh man, the visual effects make or break the migraine experience. > Along with that "white hot spike" feeling and the certainty that > your skull has softened when you feel it, and the embracing of the > darkness as your only friend.... -- > Coincidentally, Eric, you just described a tequila binge. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Let him go, Ralph. He knows what he's doing.") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 06:51:44 -0700 From: "Seth" Subject: IN> Tether ideas Ok, here's the deal. I got this shedite of Saminga going for a word, but to do this I need to form a tether for him.Now this isn't a huge problem, but I want to actually aquire the word in less then 20 years as this game is probbaly gonna be a thing of the past in less then one (the GM is telling all the new player characters they need to bow down to a Lilim of Lust simply because she has 10 forces, the natives are getting very annoyed by this). But anyways, anyone have any ideas for a realitivly quick tether of death? I was thinking of possessing a jet pilot and flying a full jumbo jet into another one but the disturbance alone.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 07:20:09 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Tether ideas Seth wrote: > > Ok, here's the deal. I got this shedite of Saminga going for a word, but to > do this I need to form a tether for him.Now this isn't a huge problem, but I > want to actually aquire the word in less then 20 years as this game is > probbaly gonna be a thing of the past in less then one (the GM is telling > all the new player characters they need to bow down to a Lilim of Lust > simply because she has 10 forces, the natives are getting very annoyed by > this). Letting a new PC obtain a Word in less than a year would be pretty silly. But then, so is giving a celestial rank just by virtue of Forces. > But anyways, anyone have any ideas for a realitivly quick tether of > death? I was thinking of possessing a jet pilot and flying a full jumbo jet > into another one but the disturbance alone.... Canonically, direct celestial intervention will NOT form a Tether, _especially_ if you make a disturbance while doing it. IOW, there's not much way a demon can decide to "form a Tether," other than with a long-term scheme involving subtle manipulation of mortals and no direct involvement himself. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:37:31 -0400 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> Need inspiration badly. Please, give generously. Laurent wrote: > > Some really ambitious demon has recently discovered a secret that > could give him the power to rule Hell (the usual bit). > > Now if he could only steal the Heart, he'd be able to strip some > Forces from Lucifer's soul and add them to his own. It would have to > be a Demon Prince to do that, so I was thinking about Mammon. Valefor > would probably be as good, but I like the guy, and don't want Lucy to > destroy him... Easy solution to that: let Valefor win, if the PCs don't succeed. :) Or better yet, make the players consider whether having Valefor on the throne of the lightbringer wouldn't be better in the long run. After all, Lucifer has proven that no atrocity is too vile for him, no act of gratuitous malice too squalid for him to indulge in. But Valefor? He has *style* -- maybe squalid disgusting unhappy evil > The Forces he's mainly interested into are those the Light Bringer > stole from Metatron during their last fight. He believes these Forces > are the source of Lucifer's exceptional power (can't remember who > suggested something similar on the list). - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:40:45 -0400 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> Need inspiration badly. Please, give generously. Laurent wrote: > > Now if he could only steal the Heart, he'd be able to strip some > Forces from Lucifer's soul and add them to his own. It would have to > be a Demon Prince to do that, so I was thinking about Mammon. Valefor > would probably be as good, but I like the guy, and don't want Lucy to > destroy him... Easy solution to that: let Valefor win, if the PCs don't succeed. :) Or better yet, make the players consider whether having Valefor on the throne of the lightbringer wouldn't be better in the long run. After all, Lucifer has proven that no atrocity is too vile for him, no act of gratuitous malice too squalid for him to indulge in. But Valefor? He has *style* -- if pathetic disgusting unhappy evil were to go down if he ruled Hell, perhaps it would be better for mankind for him to replace Lucifer.... If you're really cruel, you'll convince the PCs to help Valefor and then find out that V and L aren't going to kill each other and Hell now has two Lucifer-class princes. :) - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:22:00 GMT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Need inspiration badly. Please, give generously. >From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" >If you're really cruel, you'll convince the PCs to help Valefor and >then find out that V and L aren't going to kill each other and Hell >now has two Lucifer-class princes. :) > From my GMing experience, I'd add that you shouldn't rule out the possibility that PCs will decide to steal the heart on their own account and set out on a magical mayhem ride through all of creation on their way to blackmail Lucifer and remodel Hell in whatever ways they prefer. Players are apt to do this sort of thing if they feel like extras to some powerful NPCs scheme. Or maybe it's just my players ;) jo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:53:45 +0100 From: "Laurent" Subject: Re: IN> Need inspiration badly. Please, give generously. Neel wrote: <<< Easy solution to that: let Valefor win, if the PCs don't succeed. :) [...] If you're really cruel, you'll convince the PCs to help Valefor and then find out that V and L aren't going to kill each other and Hell now has two Lucifer-class princes. :) >>> Hem... tempting, really. But isn't that a bit big for an introduction game? And do you really thing L would be ready to share his power?? Yes, by the way, only one player has In Nomine experience, really. One never played. I already feel bad about dragging Lucifer into the game... Anyway, I'm kind of okay for the beginning and the end, it's just the middle part I'm missing... Jo wrote: <<< From my GMing experience, I'd add that you shouldn't rule out the possibility that PCs will decide to steal the heart on their own account and set out on a magical mayhem ride through all of creation on their way to blackmail Lucifer and remodel Hell in whatever ways they prefer. Players are apt to do this sort of thing if they feel like extras to some powerful NPCs scheme. Or maybe it's just my players ;) >>> Lucky you, your players are mean and selfish. See, I'm stuck with loyal, moral-driven, faithfull paladins. Even when playing demons! The Habbalah (the powerful player) already risked her life to save Lynoure from a certain soul-death. The only player in my team who'd be twisted enough to try some evil scheme is the one who suddenly decided to play an angel (well, the abomination thing). What an idiot!!! Laurent. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:10:34 -0400 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> Need inspiration badly. Please, give generously. Some more thoughts.... Laurent wrote: > > Oh yes, by the way. This is the adventure I'm using to give Lynoure > the status of Princess. After all, who better than a Demon of Shadows > can keep an operation secret... So if your ideas could emphasize on > the Shadows & Light theme, it'd be great. > > My players consist of a Cherub of Creation (attuned to the victim), > a powerful Habbalah of Nightmare working with Lynoure, a Shedim of > Theft, and a soldier of Theft. I just saw _Way of the Gun_ yesterday, and there's one line that seems really appropriate: "15 million dollars isn't money. Money is what you get from an ATM, what you use to buy groceries. 15 million dollars isn't money -- it's an all-purpose motive for absolutely anything." A princehood (or even worse, Lucifer-hood) is that kind of universal motive. There is *so much* room for everything to go horribly wrong for absolutely everybody up to and including the Devil himself -- this is a /great/ hook for an adventure. So, you have the little girl who has been kidnapped, and the Cherub who presumably wants to get her back. You have Lynoure, who got the job of retrieving the kid and tapped the PCs as her agents in this (I assume). You have Mammon or Valefor, who want to become Lucifer. You have the PCs. You have the goons who will take down the angels of Christopher. Q: Why aren't Lucifer and Valefor directly involved? It would be faster for V to grab the kid and personally teleport to the Tether, and probably easier and quieter if Lucifer took care of the matter personally. A: Valefor is occupied throwing up magical static to keep Lucifer from intervening directly. This takes up all his attention, so he has to rely on his goons until they get to the tether. Likewise, Lucifer has to spend the bulk of his power cancelling Valefor's effects, so that's why Lynoure and the PCs are called in. Q: Why doesn't Lynoure just ice the kid? One good bullet and she's on the cycle of reincarnation and unusable. Sure the Cherub gets dissonance but he's used to that, right? A: Because she wants to become a Princess, by using the kid herself. Of course she'll betray the PCs at the climax. Unless they betray her first. Lucifer would rather use someone who *would* just ice the kid, but needs Lynoure because her Word lets her and her servitors cope more effectively with Valefor's magical static. Q: What about the two PC servitors of Theft? A: Valefor's goons -- the ones who kidnapped the kid -- have decided that *they* want to become a Prince and take over from Lucifer. So Valefor and Lucifer, in addition to duking it out magically, have to work together to stop the goons and then betray each other at the last moment. This is why this particular PC group was chosen; it's the only one with both their proxies (the demon of Nightmares and the demon of Theft) already on the team. Q: What about the angels? Eli, Zadkiel, and Christopher? A: These guys, being angels, are probably the only ones in the whole sordid affair who care about what happens to the kid. They lost a lot of their free agents to the goon squad, and are currently short-handed and desperately relying on the PC Cherub to save the kid. Worse still, there is all sorts of increased demonic activity on Earth, because when both Valefor and Lucifer stopped paying attention to anything else all the other DPs decided to take advantage. Including, as it happens, David -- he's overcommitted elsewhere and can't effectively support this tether. More bad news: neither Eli, Christopher nor Zadkiel can really stand up to Lucifer directly. So the Cherub has to pull a rabbit out of his hat to save the kid. Depending on how nice you feel, you can give the PC possible outs. First, give him the Song of Celestial Motion, and let him teleport away if he can grab the kid. Then the AAs can show up and provide cover for him. Second, and more drastically, give him a "summon Michael" card. EZ&C called in some favors, and if the PC thinks it's necessary he can call Michael in. Note that putting Michael and Lucifer in the same place means the continent they rumble on is going to be taking some collateral damage. Is extremism in the defense of the innocent a vice? Is the PC willing to risk the lives of the four hundred million people on North American continent to save his attuned? Play up the angst -- that's what angels are for. :) Q: What if, against all odds, a player manages to become Prince? A: Kick ass! You will have run a game the players will talk about for *years*. If you want to keep running the campaign, try to swing things so the players become Prince *jointly* -- they all get a piece of the soul but have to cooperate to use their superpowers. Then remember the PCs are totally new to this, have no organization, the personal enmity of Lucifer, and have to work like the devil (sorry) just to survive. Buy a copy of Nobilis, and go to town. :) - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:31:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Fluff. That's all it is, fluff. No hidden meanings, no philophical positions. Just fluff. This came to me while I was waking up this morning. I love Mondays, really I do. :) Moe (this could be INC'd, but is it _really_ worthy of the honor?) (Yeah, I know celestials usually don't really need to sleep. So?) What Celestials do when the Alarm goes off Seraphim get up. Hitting the snooze button implies that you deliberately did not program the optimal time to awake, which further implies that you're lying to at least yourself... Cherubim don't sleep. Ever. If they set an alarm, it's only to remind them that it's time to go out and watch over somebody. Ofanim get up, shower, shave, change, eat breakfast, and are almost out the door when they realize that they forgot to shut off the alarm when they woke up ... three minutes ago. Elohim will sit, bemused, at the alarm: it's symbolic of humanity's desire to impose order on the chaotic state of the world. Surely a technological society could rearrange matters so that the business day is subordinated to mankind's biological rhythms, rather than the other way around... Malakim don't turn _on_ the alarm in the first place. Any warrior who cannot discipline herself to sleep when she needs to sleep and wake when she needs to wake is a poor example of the breed. Kyriotates shift to somebody with a shorter commute ... or who has the day off. Mercurians hit the snooze button a couple of times, eventually achieve full wakefulness and wander over to the bathroom, whereupon they look at themselves in the mirror and blearily wonder what's so great about being an angel when you have to go through this every bloody morning. Balseraphs put a pillow over their heads and wish that Vapula would go ahead and invent a sentient alarm clock. _You_ try convincing an inanimate object that it can't be 6:30 yet. Djinn let the alarm ring. When they get back in the evening, it's still going off. God help anyone who's tried to mess with it in the mean time. Calabim snake out one arm, grab the alarm clock, and throw it into the wall. Later, before they leave, they reach into a box and take out an identical clock and plug it in. (Calabim never get up before noon anyway). Repeat every day until soul death or Redemption. Habbalah crack one eye open, note that it's insanely early to get up, and get up anyway. They shower and eat without a twitch, and drive to work perfectly calmly. However, it's amazing how many incidents of road rage there are on their commutes... Lilim are just getting _to_ bed when the alarm rings. They only keep the damn thing around for when people Need to know the time, anyway. Shedim disassembled the alarm clock at the earliest opportunity: they need the parts for the bomb's timer (a standard recipe is fertilizer, several common cleaning agents, and Fluffy). Impudites likewise hit the snooze button a couple of times, eventually achieve full wakefulness and wander over to the bathroom: however, they usually revive after they've had their first coffee seller of the day. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:23:44 -0700 From: Steven Feldon Subject: RE: IN> IN FPS? There's actually one that should be on the discount racks, now, called Requiem: Avenging Angel, and even talked about essence. I played the demo--it wasn't bad, just the wife dislikes FPS. :/ steve - -----Original Message----- From: Alex Liddell [mailto:val_arrin@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 10:54 AM To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: IN> IN FPS? Hey, I have come across this game which is based on Angels and Demons. It is called Seraphim and will be out in a couple of years. Check out the site and pay attention to the quote about destroying the Leviathan, Final Trumpet anyone? http://www.digit-life.com/articles/valkyreint/index.html _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:01:05 -0400 From: "Charles phipps" Subject: IN> Recovering the Lost Words Here's an interesting thought for Angels.... What would it take to recover the words that have been lost the Forces of Heaven/Hell. I'm talking deeds, strength of character, mitigating circumstances, and the like. Maybe also your thoughts on what the Superiors will think of the lucky (unlucky) angel/angel as he knewly recieves the word. Here's the words I'm thinking of here as to be "recovered" Light Water Knowledge Humor Love Valor Fear Purity On the the flip side of the coin Destruction Disease Corruption Oblivion Basically I think this is a very interesting topic as I myself am considering "reactivating" some of the Old words in my game and am wondering exactly what it would take. It also might prove interesting to what might happen if I gave one of my PCs the blessing/curse of the fallen and Fallen words :-) So... - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:37:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Need inspiration badly. Please, give generously. Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:53:50 +0100 From: "Laurent" Subject: Re: IN> Need inspiration badly. Please, give generously. >Oh yes, by the way. This is the adventure I'm using >to give Lynoure the status of Princess. After all, >who better than a Demon of Shadows can keep an >operation secret... So if your ideas could emphasize >on the Shadows & Light theme, it'd be great. Well, re the Lightbringer, manipulating the likelihood and impact of Infernal Interventions is always useful ("What do you mean, I'm not dead? I just rolled a 666, and I'm an angel! "Apparently, somebody Down There likes you. You want that to become common knowledge? "illbegood") ...but perhaps you want a more serious opinion. It really depends on what you need to do to the PCs. If they need help, give them an artifact or two that allows them to travel from shadow to shadow (with a beastie or two inside the shadow realm, just so it isn't a cakewalk). If you want them hindered a little, drag out said beasties and kick celestial tail feathers. If you want them to concentrate on mood, just hint that shadows are going to be really important to this adventure. Make or break, pluswun weapon, EXP bonus important. They'll jump through hoops finding every reference to shadows you toss out and a few that you don't. Hope this helps. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:12:19 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Recovering the Lost Words At 5:01 PM -0400 9/11/00, Charles phipps wrote: >Here's an interesting thought for Angels.... > >What would it take to recover the words that have been lost the Forces of >Heaven/Hell.[...] >Light >Humor (Laughter, technically.) >Love >Valor >Fear What would it take for these to be reassigned? Well, first, the Seraphim Council would want someone who would likely be worthy of, eventually, becoming an Archangel. Then they'd want someone who'd be worthy of becoming an Archangel BLESSED FAST, and be _very_ good at it, because the Princes involved tend to be very snitty when they find out someone has their old Word. Well, Lucifer might just appear to the new Angel of Light, smile disturbingly, offer a boon, INSIST that it be taken, and then, well... _something_ bad. >Purity If you were on the Seraphim Council, would _you_ want to try to reassign a Word, the last owner of which might not be dead, just sort of... elsewhere? Especially if the Malakim somehow derive their UnFallingness from it, and reassigning it might make them lose their PurityGuard Fall-protection coating.... Any others -- well, they'd need someone who'd be _worthy_. And considering that Knowledge was around sometime before the _Earth_ (if you believe angels), and the Waters was there from waaaaay back as well, it's going to take some deserving, dedicated angel a loooooong time to live up to the stature of the original holders. >On the the flip side of the coin > >Destruction Impress Lucifer and don't get caught by Belial. >Disease Impress Lucifer. >Corruption Impress Lucifer and _don't_ be a Shedite with the ability to multi-task. >Oblivion Impress Lucifer and outrun Haagenti... >Basically I think this is a very interesting topic as I myself am >considering "reactivating" some of the Old words in my game and am wondering >exactly what it would take. It also might prove interesting to what might >happen if I gave one of my PCs the blessing/curse of the fallen and Fallen >words :-) Well, giving an angel a Prince's ex-Word is basically a death-sentence on that angel unless you're running a very high-powered, indeed, epic, campaign. And even if you're doing that, you're probably going to be centering the campaign around that character's survival and advancement to Superior-hood (where the chances for survival go up somewhat). (Why is it likely that the Word will become known? Consider: _Litheroy_ is on the Seraphim Council. Talk about _security leak_...) Impressing Lucifer depends a lot on one's Contrast and Brightness. A low-contrast, fairly bright game will take a bit less than a high contrast or low brightness game. He is more likely to give someone a big Word on a whim, though, or as a kind of test in and of itself -- is this demon suitable for a Princedom? Well, let's see if he can make something of himself while being a target for all the other Princes who don't want a Prince-level Word being reassigned. If he can play the politics and survive, he can be promoted. If not, hey, demons are cheap. Anyway, that's something that's going to dominate the campaign, which may or may not set well with the other PCs. (If the other PCs want to be Servitors of the Probable-Superior-To-Be, this is a good time to get in on the ground floor -- and will work better than if they are trying to sabotage this, or simply not interested.) Further, should the Word- bound in question attain Superiorhood, at the least, that PC should be retired. (Which might make a nice game ending, really -- it's going to be hard for anyone to have their ex-PC _not_ favor their new PC, or something like that, I'd think. Some players are up to it, but some, well... some are human. O:> ) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:41:42 GMT From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Can Servitors of David take part in food fights? Of course they can't throw the first oyster cracker or whatever, but once someone has targeted them, can they reciprocate? Because food fights involve *throwing* something, and does that count against their dissonance condition as a ranged weapon? Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:51:22 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Can Servitors of David take part in food fights? From: "Janet Anderson" > Of course they can't throw the first oyster cracker or whatever, but once > someone has targeted them, can they reciprocate? Because food fights > involve *throwing* something, and does that count against their dissonance > condition as a ranged weapon? Only if they're trying to cause damage do they have to worry about Dissonance. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:52:03 EDT From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Can Servitors of David take part in food fights? In a message dated 9/11/00 10:44:59 PM, dorigen@hotmail.com writes: >Of course they can't throw the first oyster cracker or whatever, but once > >someone has targeted them, can they reciprocate? Because food fights >involve *throwing* something, and does that count against their dissonance > >condition as a ranged weapon? > >Janet Anderson Rubbing potato salad in someone's hair doesn't count as using a ranged weapon, does it? Mark (Yes, I do have too much time on my hands...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:22:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> "...and says his prayers by night..." You know, it occured to me (OK, in unison)... ... while I was waiting on the train home ... ... that we've got vampires. We've got mummies. We've got zombies, ghosts, every flavor of demon, mutant nasties (well, we haven't seen many yet, but the Vapster must have a few lying about, and they're easy enough to make), Pycho Killers, golems, sorcerers, mad cultists, madder scientists and even, God help us, Grey Alien Space Brother cattle mutilators. In short, we've got everything one could hope for a rousing IN Halloween horror minicampaign. With one exception. We don't have any weres. How could we have possibly forgotten weres? :) Now, normally I'd have held off on this point until I had something already whacked out (that's how one looks wise, after all: you ask tough questions that you've already worked out the answers to), but this time I'm stuck between a) Songs; b), ethereals; and c), Vapulizing some poor schmuck*. Or all three at once. Any suggestions? Moegiel Kyriotate of Destiny in Service to Animals ("Feed bears, Hulk smash.")** *Or even doing (forgive me) Jean therapy on volunteer Soldiers. Jordi would _like_ humans that could turn into wolves. It'd give them perspective. **Yeah, Jordi _would_ tell him to say that. Humanity's playing merry hell enough with the ecology without trying to domesticate more species. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:58:04 +1000 From: "Leath Sheales" Subject: RE: IN> "...and says his prayers by night..." Maurice wrote: > Any suggestions? I've had a 'Weres in IN' article submitted to Pyramid for the best part of a year now. The editor (Steven) likes (liked) it, but he wanted to run it past Beth first. Then her birthing dramas occurred and that didn't happen. I recently received an email from him saying he hasn't had a chance to contact Beth yet, but he's still interested. So basically I'm not much help, except to say something may appear one day. Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:27:57 -0500 From: Santiago Subject: IN> The Joke As the angels toiled, and the universe took form, God looked on and saw that it was good. And God looked forward and saw that all would move by his perfect plan, and this troubled him. That his own perfection should trouble him troubled him even more, and thus he went to Yves, who had a name for all things, and asked him the name of this trouble. And Yves spoke onto him, and named this trouble Boredom, the trouble that arose from the knowledge of what would come. And God thought, and he formed a plan. He blinded himself to the knowledge of what was to come, only retaining that of which had been, and thus created past and future, and present, the line that split the two. And to combat boredom, he chose to alter the future of which he had knowledge. He went to the angels in their labors, and chose a lesser one Yves had named Kobal. And he spoke to Kobal, and said to him, "Come, leave your labors to others and walk with me, for I have a special task for you," and Kobal went with him away from the other angels. God spoke to Kobal, and he said, "I have created boredom, and it is a trouble that must be kept from growing. To stop boredom, the universe must be made interesting, and to make it interesting, there must be that which does not come from me, so that I do not know of its end. I have chosen you to create that which I have not, and fight boredom. Think on this, and then return to me with a plan." And then God left Kobal to think. Kobal thought long and hard, looking through the cosmos to see all God had planned, so as to avoid it. At last, he had a plan, and it was such a plan that he called it a name of his own hand, that Yves had not given. He returned to God and spoke unto him, "I know how to stop boredom, and I have a plan to do so, and it shall be known as the Joke." And God replied, "I do not know of this Joke, and thus it interests me, and is working already. Tell me more." And Kobal said, "The Joke is based on contradictions and conflicts and incomplete knowledge of infinite complexity, and its outcome is uncertain." God replied, "Uncertain? How can this be? I created all, and am all, and thus must know all with certainty." Kobal smiled, and spoke, "You created uncertainty when you blinded yourself to the future. All of us were created with certainty, and thus cannot be the focus of the Joke. There must be new beings without certainty, and we shall say that they have Free Will." God smiled in turn, "Yes, by creating beings without certainty, I will loose upon the world a power as onto to mine own self, and the future I foresaw shall not come to pass. Instead, the future will be interesting, and this will be good." But, God in his wisdom saw a flaw in the plan Kobal had explained to him. "But what of the beings with certainty that I have created? What shall be their role in this plan? Will they not continue upon the path I set them upon, and be predictable?" Kobal smiled yet again, and spoke again, "We only have certainty as long as you choose us to. You chose to take me off my path, and bade me think a plan to halt boredom, and I have, and you did not foresee it, for you chose not to." This was true, and God nodded. "We shall change the path of all the beings with certainty by exposing them to the beings with Free Will. The beings with certainty, not knowing how Free Will works, shall behave in all sorts of manners unexpected." God thought this was good, but sought to make it better. "But what if the beings with certainty simply continue upon their path, ignoring that which they do not comprehend? Then it shall not be as unpredictable as it might be." Kobal a third time had a reply, "I shall go among the other beings with certainty, and explain the nature of Free Will to them, and explain to some that they should covet it, and not to others. And those that covet it shall rail against their brethren, and we shall call this War. A full third shall break with their brethren, and go their separate way, and alter the plan. And those that covet Free Will shall try to rob it of those that have it, and those that do not covet it shall try to halt them, for it is not in the plan they know that any of their kind should have this Free Will. And I shall make with those that covet Free Will, to ensure their covetousness lasts, yet shall not speak to them of the Joke. To all, I shall only speak of the War, that they may not know the plan and be predictable." And God smiled a great smile, and nodded his head, and spoke, "It shall be good...very, very good..." - -- Santiago ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:07:07 -0500 From: Santiago Subject: Re: IN> "...and says his prayers by night..." >We don't have any weres. How could we have possibly >forgotten weres? :) > >Any suggestions? Well, as someone who's starting an Ethereal campaign this Friday, I happen to have an answer right here. I'm giving Ethereals one of a group of special abilities analogous to a resonance (complete with a condition the violation of which causes the Ethereal to lose essence). The Shapeshifter power gives them the ability to switch vessels at no essence cost, all their vessels heal at the normal rate regardless of whether or not they're in use, and new vessels come at half cost. (But, allowing a mortal to see them transform is bad.) This covers the traditional abilities of most werefolk quite well, given a few well-chosen vessels (such as human, wolf, and Crinos form, because everyone expects that monster man-wolf thing these days...) - -- Santiago ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:08:36 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> "...and says his prayers by night..." At 5:22 PM -0700 09/11/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >We don't have any weres. How could we have possibly >forgotten weres? :) [...] >Any suggestions? Take your GURPS In Nomine, and use it to convert GURPS Werewolf: The Appocalypse into In Nomine. Then tell Beth how you did it. She will appreciate it. (You might also dig around the digests for suggestions on this matter. I know the topic's come up 'afore.) Me, I'd make Werewolves one of Jordi's little tricks. Something he reserves for his Malakim. Something he hasn't told the other Archangel's about yet. . . I mean, he _did_ come up with Vessels. A Kyriotate . . . Of Animals. Boggles me too. (This does mean that the Weaver is clearly Jean, Wyld is Eli, and the Wyrm is probably Saminga. Gaia, naturally, is Novalis.) >Moegiel >Kyriotate of Destiny in Service to Animals >("Feed bears, Hulk smash.")** *evil grin* Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = tafkaj@thrifty.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:38:16 NZST From: "Alex Liddell" Subject: Re: IN> Recovering the Lost Words What would it take to recover the words that have been lost the Forces of >Heaven/Hell. I'm talking deeds, strength of character, mitigating >circumstances, and the like. Maybe also your thoughts on what the >Superiors will think of the lucky (unlucky) angel/angel as he knewly >recieves the word. > >Here's the words I'm thinking of here as to be "recovered" > >Light > >Water > >Knowledge >Humor I think you mean Laughter, that was Kobal's Word before he Fell. >Love > >Valor > >Fear > >Purity If you follow the standard IN canon then Uriel still holds the Word of Purity. It would be a cool campaign if you proved that he didn't and then decided to have the Seraphim Council reassign it. The lucky/unlucky Angel would almost certainly be a Servitor of The Sword and an Ex-Purity soldier though. >On the the flip side of the coin > >Destruction I think that Lucifer wouldn't assign this Word because it did piss Belial off so much when Demagorgon had it. Unless the Demon approached it more subtlely. A Calabite is a cliche for this Word, but I think that due to their nature they are the best candidates. He would have to understand the synergy between Creation and Destruction. Eli doesn't offically "support" his Word and people destroy as much as they create in modern society so the Demon of Destruction that took a back seat to the Word, instead of running around blowing things up would accrue more power probably. >Disease > >Corruption >Oblivion My opinion personally is that Lucfier/Seraphim Council don't assign Words that are intrinsic of a Choir/Bands nature. There is no Angel of Truth nor a Demon of Lies. I am not sure if they do this on purpose or if they are just waiting for the right person to come along. As far as Corruption was concerned, given the track record of Legion it would be a cold day in Hell when Lucifer gave it so someone. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:01:23 -0700 From: Graveyard Greg Subject: RE: IN> "...and says his prayers by night..." >I've had a 'Weres in IN' article submitted to Pyramid for the best part of a >year now. The editor (Steven) likes (liked) it, but he wanted to run it >past Beth first. Then her birthing dramas occurred and that didn't happen. >I recently received an email from him saying he hasn't had a chance to >contact Beth yet, but he's still interested. Huh--same thing happened with my article about Limbo...it's in Editorial Limbo (couldn't resist), but it's going to get printed...eventually. 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