From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Sep 13 13:15:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA26848 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:15:36 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id NAA03790 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:10:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:10:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200009131810.NAA03790@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1818 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, September 13 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1818 In this digest: Re: IN> Re: IN: Servitors of Stone in food fights Re: IN> Weird New Angel Re: IN> Weird New Angel Re: IN> Weird New Angel IN> Food fights and Servitors of David Re: IN> Food fights and Servitors of David IN> Erol, bright lilim IN> Archangel Michael IN> You know, having a nonoperative website is much more aggravating than not having one at all. IN> Lucifer's heart, etc Re: IN> Fluff. That's all it is, fluff. No hidden meanings, no philophical positions. Just fluff. Re: IN> Archangel Michael IN> Heck, half her Servitors call her "Mom" anyway. IN> David IN> Yet Another Bible Prophecy site.... IN> Off Topic but short.... Re: IN> Archangel Michael Re: IN> Heck, half her Servitors call her "Mom" anyway. IN> In Nomine San Francisco? Re: IN> In Nomine San Francisco? Re: IN> David Re: IN> In Nomine San Francisco? Re: IN> Heck, half her Servitors call her "Mom" anyway. IN> Other Choirs for Archangels or Khalid the Olfalim (among others) Re: IN> Other Choirs for Archangels or Khalid the Olfalim (among others) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:48:39 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN: Servitors of Stone in food fights At 9:29 AM -0700 9/12/00, David M. Barr wrote: >Oh, dear. >Just got a bad image: David, Himself, showing up to >check in on that servitor in mid food fight. >"It was a team building excercise, boss!" (as lime >Jello drips of the naked guy with the muscles...) "I'd pay _MONEY_ to see _THAT_." - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:55:42 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Weird New Angel At 6:08 PM -0400 9/12/00, Twila Oxley Price wrote: [...] >think of *something* to let out the creativity before it went bad. _Before_? Are you sure you got to it in time? O;> >And, yes, I know it's probably really Strange to have this guy be a >Malakite, but... It's all that Malakim porn in Shal-Mari. Clearly. It's made it necessary. [...] >and manga characters, and which is mostly drawn as manga and djs >rather than written as stories. I suspect that Giles would have that >under his *ahem* black wings too. Oh, definitely. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:56:36 -0300 From: pbarkow@is2.dal.ca Subject: Re: IN> Weird New Angel On 12 Sep 00, at 18:08, Twila Oxley Price wrote: > *Slash is that genre of fan writing which posits intimate relations > between two characters in a given show or series, or even cross-overs > -- and we're not talking hetero intimacy here. Originally manifested > around our favourite Vulcan and his (male) Captain, the term slash > comes from the "/" between Kirk/Spock. There is also a huge yaoi genre > in Japan, which is analogous to Slash, but which is centered on anime > and manga characters, and which is mostly drawn as manga and djs > rather than written as stories. I suspect that Giles would have that > under his *ahem* black wings too. > To be techinical, yaoi is male specific. Slash is a gender indeterminate term and would thus include yuri (the female equivalent). Shonen ai and shoujo ai would probably also be within Giles area. "Sore wa himitsu ja nai." -Zen no Itan Sha Philip Barkow pbarkow@is2.dal.ca http://is2.dal.ca/~pbarkow/ Harbinger of Keener-sama Vice President DPG Official Fashion Consultant and Hentai of the DGML Shameless Faith/Buffy shipper. Lapsed Discordian Head of the Keiko-chanian faction ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:47:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Twila Oxley Price Subject: Re: IN> Weird New Angel Philip: Ah well.... I was trying to do this off the top of my head! :-) I have a largish collection of yaoi, but since I really don't read Japanese... Twila ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:11:09 GMT From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Food fights and Servitors of David >You're twisted. O:> Considering why I've been deleting more posts than I've been reading for the last two weeks, I take issue with anyone calling *me* twisted ... :) >Now, how did _THIS_ question come up? The mind is boggling! My Malakite of War has been known to throw sugar cubes, olives, or other small projectiles across a table at someone (usually the Kyriotate of Creation IST Destiny played by my husband) who provokes him by making bad puns, casting aspersions on the intelligence of Malakim, etc. My new Cherub of Stone is settling down into his group, and he's discovered that while he likes them all and is rapidly bonding with them in Cherub/Stone Servitor style, the Seraph of Revelation can make you want to smack him. (I suppose that means he's being played well ...) So I thought the next time the Seraph comes out with another remark like "there is no such thing as a question that's too personal" (almost a direct quote), I'd throw something at him, but of course I realized I'd have to wait until he threw something first. Which will probably never happen with this Seraph; he's extremely serious. Then I realized further that *throwing* something might be a problem even after the opening salvo. I like the idea of rubbing potato salad in hair, dumping Jello down pants, etc. Ice cubes. There are so many uses for ice cubes. If you shake up a bottle of seltzer, point it at someone and open it, does that count as a ranged weapon? Janet Anderson (okay, maybe I am twisted) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:19:48 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Food fights and Servitors of David From: "Janet Anderson" > > If you shake up a bottle of seltzer, point it at someone and open it, does > that count as a ranged weapon? Are you using the Malakite of Eli attunement? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:49:33 +0930 From: Gnezda Subject: IN> Erol, bright lilim Speaking of Aaron's servitor of Christopher idea, it inspired me to post my In Nomine character. Actually, he's been made for like 2 weeks, but the GM hasn't gotten around to starting the campaign yet... :) I won't give any huge details, but here he is in brief. EROL, bright lilim of Michael, former servitor of Mammon Unlike most other lilim, Erol always prefered male vessels. Also, what also made him unique was his lack of selfishness (while it's incorrect to say he was selfless by any means, it's also incorrect to say he was selfish). In his opinion, he could get some pretty cool stuff done as a lilim, and he was a fantastic bargainer, but he saw no need in duping the other person. If both parties profited just as much as the other, then who cares? As long as you're happy with what you got, then mission accomplished. In any case, having happy former associates is always good for business, and it stops one more person from hating your guts (it's hard enough to make friends when you're a demon without making it even worse by going around agrovating everyone). The only problem is, being bound to Mammon, Erol had to hide this major character flaw. Eventually, however, he became an Outcast (he persuaded Lilith to shatter his own heart) and escaped with three of his friends. One of them (a servitor of Kronos) was killed in the attempt, and a second was captured 100 years later by the Game. However, speaking to some of his Ethereal friends, Erol wanted desperately to find employment among the angels. He sympathised with them *much* more heavily than with the demons afterall. The Ethereal informed him that Michael was always in need of 'aces' like this, people he could use to tip the balance a bit in the angel's favour. So, after a long discussion, Michael agreed to offer Erol a place among his fold, and went about the usual Redemption stuff. In the process, however, Erol was almost destroyed, so Michael replaced the destroyed Forces with his own. Anyway, now Erol assumes the form of a 5'6" Jamaican. His abilities to judge needs, desires, etc are greater than most other Lilim, and he is also able to uncover fears and weaknesses in his targets (ie the ethereal song of nightmares and the lilim of Michael attunement, although these are 'natural' things for him in rp terms, even though he paid the necessary points, etc for them). While he's very small, he is well-built and can handle his own in a fight but his main advantage in combat lies in his ability to exploit weaknesses rather than raw muscle. At the moment he works at a kindergarten (junior primary kids do heaps of reading, writing and maths type stuff for him to really work with them, I think). The kids there love him because he tells them really exciting stories (think Major Payne's storytelling but without so much blood... :)), and also because he's so small and often lets the kids playfight with him, where he is often 'beaten' by them, given his small size and their massive number advantage... In reality, he is secretly training them to be better fighters. ie by taking advantage of little Timmy's fighting 'style' (ie like all kids he simply charges in... :)), he hopes that little Timmy will learn from that and change. In this way, he is secretly training them to some day perhaps be great soldiers of the War. He also sympathises a *lot* with Novalis, often doing her favours and, as long as his duties to Michael don't deteriorate, Michael is prepared to allow this. The point is Erol is a *lilim* afterall; a creature whose primary drive is to socialise and mingle. If all existence was war, then lilim would have little use. He loves Bob Marley's music and would much rather avoid bloodshed wherever possible. He spends his time getting *allies* for the War, than killing his enemies. The other essential point to understand about him is, while Erol sympathises with Novalis and loves peace, deep down he *knows* that the only way to ensure peace is, in the end, war and, while Novalis may have noble ideals, she doesn't have the strength to ensure that peace will prevail. Also, the reason Michael trusts him so explicitly to allow him to work with Novalis is because, as far as Erol's concerned, everyone else is expendable, *except* Michael ('everyone' means all celestials; humans are definitely *NOT* expendable). He feels that only Michael has the strength necessary to win this war for them and, because of this, he will gladly lay down his life to save Michael if it ever came to that. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:51:42 +0930 From: Gnezda Subject: IN> Archangel Michael You know, it just occured to me that Michael is really a doomed Archangel... Okay, previously, there was no hassle. Michael was simply a really cool and powerful archangel who did all the usual archangelic things. However, in becoming a Word-bound celestial to War, Michael was doomed. The problem is, reading through the GMG, the strength of a Word affects the strength of the celestial possessing it, as we all know. The problem is, if the word changes its meaning on a large scale, the celestial changes to reflect it (ie in Superiors 2 when laughter became scorn, the humans in effect twisted Kobal's nature and there was nothing he could do about it, which really justifies why he hates humans in my eyes... :)). Also, if a word ever vanished entirely from thought, the celestial will also vanish into oblivion. This presents a problem for our old friend Mikey. If Hell wins the war, then chaos will basically reign supreme (although, since the demons are only able to justify themselves by being the antithesis to the 'tyrannical Divine order', once they win they'll have nothing to hide behind and will have to admit to their evil ways and, since they are angels and have divine origins afterall, they will most likely redeem, in my opinion so maybe regardless of whoever wins, 'Heaven' will still win out, but I degress... :)). Anyway, if *Heaven* wins, this is where the problem lies. With only Heaven remaining, there is no longer any need for the War effort against the demons. So maybe Michael's sole providence will now be on handling war among the humans. But eventually when there is only Heaven and no other realm (with all the human souls living there, etc) there will no longer be any war, or need for competition, at all. Once the thought of war goes, Michael will cease to exist. *Unless* God does something to intervene. In acting upon his Word, he is in effect ensuring it will eventually have no relevance, as his word is for combat in order to *triumph* over others, not war for the mere sake of it, so there must be a final goal that you're going to war for. Then he will die. Michael must realise this, making him one of the most selfless and tragic archangels around. Damn Michael's great! :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:39:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> You know, having a nonoperative website is much more aggravating than not having one at all. ... especially when you've got a minor Choir and Nastiest Demoness in the Universe to show off. My web hoster swears that they'll be up by tonight, which means, of course, that I might be able to post them by Sunday. I repeat, _might_. Now, they're too big to stick on here, so anyone (ha!) who can't wait a day or so to see them (double ha!) is perfectly free to privately email me and I'll send them along. Ahh, hubris. :) Moe PS: It occurs to me now that Ben will probably have them up as part of his ongoing exposition long before I do, thereby making this entire post moot. So, in a desperate attempt at justification of bandwidth, I shall now break out in song. What do you do with a drunken Cherub, What do you do with a drunken Cherub, What do you do with a drunken Cherub, Early in the morning? Make'm attune to the Exxon Valdez, Make'm attune to the Exxon Valdez, Make'm attune to the Exxon Valdez, Early in the morning. Whey-heah, watch him Falling, Whey-heah, watch him Falling, Whey-heah, watch him Falling, Earl-y in the morning... ect, ect, you get the point. :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:09:18 +0930 From: Gnezda Subject: IN> Lucifer's heart, etc Speaking of Lucifer's heart and schtuff like that, it reminds me of a magical artifact I made up for a Dungeons and Dragons adventure one day. Basically the artifact was a series of armour pieces; arm guards, helmet, breast plate, leg grieves, etc, forming an entire suit of full plate mail. The armour had a very archaic feel to it and was made of brass. The arm guards came with spiked gloves as part of the one piece, the leg grieves had large claws on the feet, the breastplate had six inch spikes jutting out of the back and the helmet had jet black horns sprouting from it. There were four 'pieces' (ie arms, legs, head, torso), each being +3 armour of that type, so in the end it was effectively full plate +12. Sounds dangerous, eh? (for those who don't know about AD&D mechanics, that's *GOOD*). Here's the catch though. The armour is actually parts of the body of an immensely powerful and malevolent entity, basically like Lucifer. The group would find the arms, then the legs, then the breastplate, then the helmet. However, if anyone is wearing any part of the suit, they'd have a very strong desire to wear any othe piece they find (kinda like the way the LotR ring makes the owner possessive of it), and the other pieces will *only* fit the person who currently wears the other pieces, so either one player wears the whole lot or not at all. All artifacts are incredibly powerful and usually evil, right? Right! ;) Because of this, each piece has a special power. The legs provide the character with heightened movement, the arms give him additional attacks with bonuses to damage from the claws, the breastplate grants them a very good save against any spell... And of course the helmet possesses them. ;) So, by the end, you have an almost unbeatable character running around, under the GM's control, attacking the rest of the group. ;) Milan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:50:36 -0400 From: hbias@earthlink.net (Harris Bias) Subject: Re: IN> Fluff. That's all it is, fluff. No hidden meanings, no philophical positions. Just fluff. >At 06:15 AM 9/12/00, you wrote: >ObIN: How would you class the Dirty Pair in In Nomine terms? I'm thinking >a pair of War servitors, one a Mercurian and one an Ofanite, both with the >Discord "It's Not Our Fault"... > >-EDG I'd say: http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/Movies/LovelyAngels.html O, maintainer of the INC. - -- G. Harris Bias hbias@earthlink.net "He had some measure of the infuriating trait that causes a young man to be a nonconformist for its own sake and found that the surest way to shock people, in those days, was to believe that some kinds of behavior were bad, and others good, and that is was reasonable to live one's life accordingly." -Neal Stephenson, "The Diamond Age" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:15:59 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Archangel Michael A lot of the really powerful Words have (you would think) something to do with humanity and Earth. The idea you've depicted depends, in large part, on what you think the End of the World will be like. 1.) Eternal Kingdom of God In this version of the End, the Christians were essentially right, modified perhaps by some of the other divine religions' prophecies of the End. A great battle took place, in which the demons were either soul-slain or locked permanently in Hell, this time inescapably. God establishes an Eternal Kingdom on an Earth whose fundamental physical laws are so changed that entropy, hunger, death, are no longer problems. What is the place in this world of: War? Despite the fact that no physical battles are ever going to be fought again, part of Michael's Word is the struggle for righteousness, which goes on inside a person. While God's Kingdom may somehow ensure that this struggle will always be won, it might still go on - there are the Redeemed, and human spirits with memories of evil they will forever have to endure. A pitifully small thing compared with his former self, but there. Destiny? Even if Fate no longer plays a role, and Destiny need not intervene, Yves' Word would still be alive - it would be forever imprinted upon the entire Symphony. Flowers and Animals? Might very well still exist - a peaceful, Eden-like state across the entire world. Dreams? Forever. Judgment? Passed and sealed. Forever in execution. The elements? Still the building blocks of the world. Creation? Perhaps anew, with the humans glorying in the constantly fresh world. The Sword? Those who are now good must keep themselves so, must keep themselves tempered. The world seemed perfect once, and then the Fall. Is your faith so strong that you do not think it could happen again? Trade? Maybe if people trade spots in the groups singing praises to God every now and then; otherwise, I see Marc suffering the most. But "giving of oneself in agreement" might be construed to mean "God gives mercy and life unstintingly, and we love Him forever." Again, small but just possible. 2.) Higher Heavens If everybody goes to the Higher Heavens, all bets are off. Nobody knows what they're like; for all we know an Archangel without a Word could be perfectly well-off there. 3.) Nirvana Now all the Archangels are in deep trouble, from one point of view. *None* of the above Words, except maybe Destiny("to achieve Nirvana"), would have any meaning if all beings achieve Nirvana. On the other hand, if "all beings" include the Archangels too, then they would merely shed their Words as they would shed vessels. Component things are impermanent. 4.) Non-Cyclic Expansion If the Symphony, sustained by the infinite complexity of God, grows and changes forever, then the Archangels may have a place for as long as one can imagine, themselves growing and changing forever. And lastly, remember - a Word-bound can be stripped of a Word, or have it changed. It's not the most pleasant process in the world, but once Armageddon has been won, God could say, "Don't sweat it, it's a permanent thing now - Michael, Laurence, you can chill. You won. Congrats. Here, lemme change those useless old Words. Say, Mike, how would you feel about being the Archangel of The Aftermath of Righteous War, Specifically The Absence of Demons?" William ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:48:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Heck, half her Servitors call her "Mom" anyway. I freely admit that this one's kind of off the wall, but then I like off the wall. Writing this stuff down keeps the voices in my head from doing barbershop quartets. :) Moe Lily Ofanite Friend of the Unseen (Vassal of Flowers) Corporeal Forces: 4 Strength: 8 Agility: 8 Ethereal Forces: 5 Intelligence: 8 Precision: 12 Celestial Forces: 6 Will: 12 Perception: 12 Vessel: young, pretty female/3 (Charisma +2) Skills: Acrobatics/2, Chemistry/1, Dodge/4, Driving/3, Fast-Talk/2, Fighting/3, Knowledge/3 (Novalis' Organization), Large Weapon/3 (long sword), Move Silently/2, Ranged Weapon/4 (Rifle), Savoir-Faire/1 Songs: Healing (All/2), Light (Celestial/3), Motion (Corporeal/4, Ethereal/2, Celestial/2), Shields (Corporeal/3, Ethereal/4, Celestial/4) Attunements: Ofanim of the Wind, Mercurian of the Wind, Ofanim of Flowers, Passage, Swipe, Crown of Joy, Friend of the Unseen, Vassal of Flowers Do you want to see Novalis wince? Ask how her daughter is doing. Now bear in mind that she loves Lily: always has, always will. And it's not that Lily isn't a good girl at heart. It's just that her daughter was always a bit … wild. Part of that was the Ofanite in her (what passes for genetics in celestials is endlessly fascinating, but not particularly germane to the topic at hand). Part of it was the exuberant vitality one would expect in the child of an avatar of Nature. Most of it, though, was really bound up in the fact that Lily found being stuck in Novalis' Glade all day boring, boring, boring. As any parent of human teenagers will tell you, dealing with a difficult adolescent can be a headache and a half. Dealing with a difficult adolescent angel is even worse. Their formative years can last for eons. You often don't see many runaways in Heaven, but Novalis for a century or two had her hands full just trying to find out where Lily was camped out this month. Whether it was flitting through the Cathedral of Light on a dare, or buzzing the Halls of Progress at high speed, Lily could be counted on to lead her mother through a merry chase. It wasn't until she started hanging out in the Groves that Lily started to calm down. While Michael had his good points (not to mention several very interesting stalwart warrior types), Lily found herself drawn to Janus' group, as time went on. The Archangel of the Wind eventually convinced Novalis that, like it or not, Lily would probably be happier with a new boss. This is not to say that Novalis is too pleased with this. Even leaving aside the natural worries of a parent, Lily is at risk simply because she's the daughter of an Archangel. Granted, it would be a stupid demon indeed that decided to strike at Novalis by assaulting Lily (it's usually considered a Good Idea to avoid making a Superior personally, murderously mad at you), but that consideration might not stop a Prince. Novalis has handled it by assigning a permanent squad of Cherubim to keep an eye on her: it's rumored that they've been given a, shall we say, unique lecture on what constitutes "unnecessary violence": this is, of course, yet one more bone of contention between her and her daughter. She's still worried. Lily quite likes working for the Wind. Janus uses her whenever he needs to coordinate joint efforts with Servitors of Flowers (he's noticed that they all jump through hoops to accommodate her), as well as a general courier. She's a lot less violently inclined than the average Servitor of the Wind, so she doesn't go looking for fights, but Lily's not afraid of them. Lily's generally a nice enough kid. She doesn't actually like fighting with her mother, but they’ve got wildly different personalities, so it's an uphill battle not to. Generally, she'll drop by the Glades from time to time, stay for a day or two, and then use the excuse of her dissonance conditions to bail before the arguments start. Bear in mind, of course, that Lily may fight with Novalis, but that doesn’t even remotely mean that she doesn't love her. God help anyone that messes with Flowers in her presence. There's one other thing that might prove awkward, or tragic, or starkly dangerous later, depending on the circumstances. You see, Lily ran into Rex ("the Media's idiot son") a while back. She thinks that he's a moron, albeit an extraordinarily cute moron: he thinks that she'd be Cool, if she wasn't an angel and thus a complete dweeb. Such vehement, vocal, ostentatious dislike among two young people means precisely the same thing among celestials as it does between mortals. This is not going to amuse either parent, once they find out, and they will: you see, 'children' of Superiors aren't all that common. On those very rare occasions when Novalis and Nybbas are face to face, and in "enforced truce" mode, out come the snapshots and a certain wary commiseration about the younger generation ensues. If anything actually ever _happens_, there's going to be some extremely odd 'mixed parties' out there trying to hush the whole thing up quietly. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:28:36 +0930 From: Gnezda Subject: IN> David Lobbing food isn't dissonant for servitors of David as it isn't strictly a weapon, unless you use that really hard cheese and sharpen the edges or use spare ribs. But potato salad is fine. :) Also, it says they can't start *fights*, so if you hurl food at someone but don't intend on having a *fight* how can it be dissonant... Likewise if you hurl someone a tennis racket and ask them to pick it up, you're totally within your rights to hit tennis balls at their heads, since you're not *starting a fight*, you're merely playing tennis with them. ;) Milan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 03:36:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Dykes Subject: IN> Yet Another Bible Prophecy site.... http://www.countdown.org/ Might I recommend pour Messiuers et Mesdames the Poster Gallery, and the Endtimes News Digest (END, get it? oy)? The news digest is full of recent items that they feel support the various biblical prophecies about the end of days, and the poster gallery has nifty little narrative blurbs about events in the Book of Revelation. Or, as IN GMs call it, fodder. 8-) bkd __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:02:54 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: IN> Off Topic but short.... Hi all! Thanks to the wonder of advanced technology, I lost about two weeks worth of data on my machine. This includes e-mail. If anyone's sent me private mail (and you'll know who you are) I haven't responded to, please resend. Thanks! - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:51:37 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Archangel Michael Possibly post-Armageddon Words for Michael, without making the transition too jarring for him, might be Victory or Endevour or Zeal. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:59:43 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Heck, half her Servitors call her "Mom" anyway. A very cute write-up, but in what sense is Lily the daughter of Novalis that is different from any other Servitor she created? (I know Rex, the Demon of Cool, is Nybbas's creation and "son," but I thought the familial relationship was just because Nybbas said so, as far as anyone knew.) By the way, I usually picture Ophanim of Flowers as whirling wreathes... Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:26:38 GMT From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: IN> In Nomine San Francisco? I'm just wondering if there is any information on San Francisco in the In Nomine setting. I think there was a breef mention of it in the Fall of the Malakim Book, but I'm not sure. If it's been printed somewhere could anyone tell me, or if anyone (perferably from SF) has written anything on it could you let me know. Daniel J Gallagher _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:57:47 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine San Francisco? > I'm just wondering if there is any information on San Francisco in the In > Nomine setting. I think there was a breef mention of it in the Fall of the > Malakim Book, but I'm not sure. If it's been printed somewhere could anyone > tell me, or if anyone (perferably from SF) has written anything on it could > you let me know. http://www.amadan.org/Innomine/SF.htm David Edelstein's webpage -- this writeup on San Francisco is as good as any you can find. San Francisco *is* mentioned in the In Nomine books. It's mentioned as a place that the angels are strong. > Daniel J Gallagher Ben Glickler ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:56:48 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> David - --On Wednesday, September 13, 2000 13:28 +0930 Gnezda wrote: > Lobbing food isn't dissonant for servitors of David as it isn't > strictly a weapon, unless you use that > really hard cheese and sharpen the edges or use spare ribs... So, using women as a throwing weapon *would* be dissonant, automatically? Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Blueberry," he thought, instead of ducking. *splat* Blueberry it was.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:11:18 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine San Francisco? Daniel Gallagher wrote: > > I'm just wondering if there is any information on San Francisco in the In> Nomine setting. I think there was a breef mention of it in the Fall of the> Malakim Book, but I'm not sure. If it's been printed somewhere could anyone> tell me, or if anyone (perferably from SF) has written anything on it could> you let me know. http://www.amadan.org/Innomine/SF.htm - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:22:59 -0600 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Heck, half her Servitors call her "Mom" anyway. There is a bit on celestial reproduction in the APG and IPG. Essentially it inovles Forces taken from two celestials and put together by a Superior. I liked the write up, but I wonder who the father is. And what would happen if Rex and Lily had a kid. I can see Nybbas freaking about his age because of it. Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:15:36 -0400 From: "Charles phipps" Subject: IN> Other Choirs for Archangels or Khalid the Olfalim (among others) Hmmm I had an interesting notion that Archangels could have virtually any other choir than themselves and yet still maintain some of their personalities....while this is not entirely true in my opinion (Jean would make a very odd Malakim) but it certainly fits with others (Michael would not be such a bad Malakim). Thus I decided to test my theory with the most notorious of "misplaced choirs" (supposadly) in Khalid the Archangel of Faith. Now David, beloved other authors please correct me if I'm wrong in saying that the reason Khalid is an Elohite is because that he was well on his way to becomming a Habbalah (the atypical fanatic). By tossing away subjectivity to embrace the complete infallability of Islam, he became completely unsubjective and thus a fanatic in the service to the forces of Darkness...or nearly so. People have remarked thus Khalid in order to recover must become completely unsubjective (which admittadly should take some time) believing in Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, and Hinduism by the way they inspire faith (and may consider faiths under paganism to be "fixable" if they move men to light). However that's a loooonnng way off. So let's look at Khalid of the OTHER choirs.... Khalid the Seraph: Quote: "Islam is the truth, the way, the word of God and while other religeons may have a grasp of the truth of Faith it is the Prophet Muhammed who has given us the most concise!" This Khalid really in my opinion would be almost exactly the same as he currently is and indeed some of his more bizzare statements concerning angels and Islam (the whole beard thing) would take on a bit more personability. An interesting problem arises though....would he have to say "I believe it is...." or would the ineffability of Muhammed fix this problem? He was dissonant because he lied to protect his power base. (if he fell) Khalid the Balseraph: "Islam is a lie by the tyrannical Yawhew but it is a lie that better than reality. By getting people to embrace as a whole the vision of righteousness that it is....the world will become a better place despite him." Khalid becomes an impersonator of Faith and the Demon Prince of Fanaticism by virtue he encourages it to the point the religeon has no bearing on divine beings. It encourages all the exact opposite of which Muhammed truly preached (subjugation of women, Holy war against the heretic people of the book and pagans, etc etc) but has come to be protected by Dogma. Khalid effectively begins creating his own religeon to himself. Khalid the Cherubim: "Islam is my protectorate and it's holy men are my chosen dominion. I shall gaurd them and send the faithful greatly..." Khalid here becomes more concerned with protection of the ideals of Islam from corruption, protection of it's reformers and leaders, and is only now beginning to adopt the policies to protect the other leaders of faith in the world. He is very Davidian in his philosophy that God is invincible and thus if we are strong in our faith the demons will not prosper by attacking us. He likely will be an invisible angel because of the law against depiction of animals as divine. He was dissonant because he sent his attuned to be destroyed....orginally problematic and suicidal missions then eventually because he didn't see the difference between a holy bombing and a life worshiping god. Khalid the Djinn: "Everything I have worked for as a lie. Let me stand over the destruction and smile over it." This Khalid has no faith in God left, he has worked his will for centuries and not recieved an answer he can hear. Thus he now works as the Demon Prince of Despair to encourage Islamics and other Faithful to become increasingly fanatical then apathetic when they get no call for their brutal horrors. He will get a +6 for summoning when over the body of someone whose died for his faith....and will recieve only hell. Khalid the Olfalim "Let me wander the world in a Holy Jihad bringing peace, harmony, and the glory that is Islam." Khalid spends his time wandering the world with whirling scimitars against demon kind as he does his best to meet with his servitors and help them spread the glory of God...he prefers Islam but is gradually seeing the benifits of restoring what was once there culturally. He was dissonant because he stayed in one place to protect his power base...probably starting at the battle of Poiters with Laurence. Khalid the Calabim "DIE INFIDEL DIE BWHAHAHAHHAHAHA!" There is nothing scarier than a Demon Prince who actually is a nutty towel headed bomber. The destruction, pain, and suffering the faithful endured convinced Khalid that Heaven no longer mattered and he's hardly noticed his flock are worse off then before. The Demon Prince of fanaticism now is allied with belial and baal enjoying the holy war concept as he sends works to escalate wars with bigger bombs and bigger mindless intolerance. Pakistan has nukes...hmmmmm. Khalid the Malakim This Khalid is very much the same as the one in Superiors 3 with vows of "Protect Islam and it's followers from Harm", "Always recognize God's hand in religeons" and about a dozen other oaths lended to behavior/faith. As one might guess his dissonance came from ignoring other religeons...which lead him to become increasingly fanatical.... As one might guess Khalid isn't in danger of falling but he was completely insane and on the verge of taking oaths before the Seraphim council to "suffer not a Infidel or atheist" to live....which would have made the Council have no choice but to destroy him. Khalid the Mercurian Errr.... Khalid the Impudite "Peace brother, let us dine together in my palace and partake of the pleasures Allah has provided for us. We shall discuss the decadent West and their enroachment on our glorious culture...." It's absoluetly amazing this Khalid followed the cow puckey that humans have been following for years. It's about time he got in on the scam himself. The essence a crowd that believes you are the next thing Muhammed (of course there are no new prophets but that's always ignored and besides the religeon needs one...at least that's because no one knows the actual word but hey lifes life!) is more than Kobal at a Warner Brother's cartoon festival. The demon prince of Faith is a demon who fosters cults of personality, bizzare beliefs in religeon that basically say it's okay to be racist/slaving/etc and God, eliminate that whole only four wives thing. Thoughts. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:08:58 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> Other Choirs for Archangels or Khalid the Olfalim (among others) > Now David, beloved other authors please correct me if I'm wrong in saying > that the reason Khalid is an Elohite is because that he was well on his way > to becomming a Habbalah (the atypical fanatic). By tossing away Khalid is an Elohite because there was only one Elohite Archangel. Ben ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1818 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.