From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Sep 14 22:10:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA16951 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:10:47 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id WAA21988 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:07:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:07:11 -0500 Message-Id: <200009150307.WAA21988@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1820 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, September 14 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1820 In this digest: IN> Khalid as another Choir.... IN> Website update time again (with new stuff!) Re: IN> Recovering lost words Re: IN> "I've never killed anyone this way before. It's kind of neat."* Re: IN> Fluff. That's all it is, fluff. No hidden meanings, no philophical positions. Just fluff. IN> Re: Recovering lost words Re: IN> Prefall adventuring. Re: IN> Prefall adventuring. Re: IN> Website update time again (with new stuff!) Re: IN> Website update time again (with new stuff!) Re: IN> Website update time again (with new stuff!) IN> Eli, Creation and Heresy! Re: IN> Eli, Creation and Heresy! Re: IN> Prefall adventuring. IN> Poss OT: PBEM question Re: IN> Recovering lost words IN> Contest V: Belial. Fwd: Re: IN> Prefall adventuring. Re: IN> What if ... Lucifer didn't Fall? RE: IN> What if ... Lucifer didn't Fall? Re: IN> What if ... Lucifer didn't Fall? IN> Another Contest? Re: IN> What if ... Lucifer didn't Fall? Re: IN> Website update time again (with new stuff!) Re: IN> "I've never killed anyone this way before. It's kind of neat."* Re: IN> What if ... Lucifer didn't Fall? Re: IN> Prefall adventuring. IN> Older Attunements ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:43:04 -0400 From: "Charles phipps" Subject: IN> Khalid as another Choir.... I can't believe I forgot Khalid the Kyriorite! Khalid the Kyriorite: "Are we not the children of God, pure and angelic who seek all things beutiful and strong?" "Are we not also those who by one third of their act of betrayal have made man's life a living Hell on Earth?" "Who are we?" "We are Khalid, a loyal servant of God." Khalid can often be found in Mosques as a variety of Holy Men discussing the truths of Islam and the weird fact is that Khalid actually often persuades himself otherwise because it is being privy to his inner thoughts. Khalid as an archangel thus posseses many holy men in all Islamic sects to try and encourage unity and the like. Recently he has begun possesing humans of other faiths for the like...though the decidely islamic slant is there. :-) Khalid was dissonant because he took the oppurtunity to put his hosts through momments of "choice" when he felt they were not making the right one. Including several instances where they were gunned down or beaten for their faith (matyred which is better off in near-Fallen Khalid's opinion) *** Khalid the Shedite The Demon prince of Fanaticism...you know him. You know him whenever a preacher shouts to the highest mountains that homosexuals, Non-Muslims/Christians/Jews, those who have not subverted themselves to men, those who do not understand life in the womb is more important than the mothers...will all burn in Hell and should be killed. Khalid believes it is his divine place to play the part of Satan and tempt humanity for that which thus will seperate the good from the evil....he worships Lucifer as the embodiment of this and indeed may eventually fall prey to Zorastrian dualistic....and darker ideals... Khalid may get promoted to the Demon prince of Corruption though pity he already knows how to split... There will be a legion on Judgement day after all. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:10:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Website update time again (with new stuff!) They finally updated the server, so I could add the three celestials already found gracing this Digest in the last week or so. But wait, there's more! First, there's my minor choir of Laurence, found at: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/choirsbands/Adjutants.htm (found in the new Choirs and Bands page, appropriately enough: it's at http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/Choirsbands.html or just follow the usual links) a little itty-bitty demon with a itty-bitty Word, at http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/servitors/Mawrhys.htm and, for the Really Big One, my nasty, nasty, nasty contender for the Ultimate Terrifying Demon, found in the Superiors page, or at http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/superiors/Daisy.htm Feedback is, as usual, my hope and joy (but especially in Daisy's case). :) Moe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:44:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Recovering lost words Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:23:59 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Recovering lost words >IIRC, Beez was the _first_ Prince of Corruption. >Legion was more spectacular. And any Shedite asking >for that Word will probably be ambushed outside the >nearest structure by several Princes and quietly torn >to little shreds while it's still relatively little >and weak. (I can't think why any Prince would _want_ >another potential Legion back -- Legion nearly wiped >the floor with them all the _first_ time, and there's >no guarentee that there'd be an AA who'd be both >capable _and_ willing to kamikaze this time around.) >A non-Shedite Corruption might have a better chance >of things. Funny you should mention that ... Oops, I'm jumping the gun. Err, never mind? ;) Moegiel Kyriotate of Destiny in Service to Dreams ("You wake nice man up just when dream at Good Part. Hulk smash.") ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:53:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Collins Subject: Re: IN> "I've never killed anyone this way before. It's kind of neat."* > Gaius > Impudite Knight of the Black Order > Demon of Gladiators I like this! Melancholy celestials unsure about their ultimate fate (or destiny) turn me on. (Uuuhhh, so to speak.) But hope is not lost. Here'se an idea to get Gaius back on his feet... Fighting games. Fighting games (Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, etc.) aren't the best expression of Gaius' Word - they started out based more on the various corruptions already mentioned. But the first time Gaius strolled into a game parlor and saw the crowd of adolescents around the Street Fighter 2 machine hollering for carnage, his mind drifted back to the good old days...and a seed was planted. To this day, no one knows if Gaius was involved in the production of Mortal Kombat. The game wasn't terribly innovative, except for the bloodletting. It featured more realistic characters, simulated injuries (mostly blood flying off of injured characters), and, of course, the now infamous "Fatalities." Mortal Kombat outraged everyone whose job it is to be outraged, but the players loved it. And, for the first time in centuries, Gaius felt that twinge of essence flowing into his Word... Gaius fed off of the rest of the Street Fighter and Mortal Combat series, and then worked on creating games that upped the bloodshed, featured more monstrous characters, or just made the whole thing seem more _real._ It wasn't as good as the real thing, of course, but it was better than nothing. But as Gaius grew closer to the Media, he came to realize that the fad wouldn't last forever. If he wanted to keep this surge of power going, no matter how slight, he was going to have to find something new... When the Doom series arrived, he knew he'd found it. The original Doom games did nothing for his Word, but they did have a little "head-to-head competition over the Internet" feature. For the past five years, this is where Gaius has focuesed his efforts. It's _still_ not as good as the real thing, but it's getting better. The games get better and bloodier graphics with each new generation. Better yet, the "competition over the internet" idea has taken over the video game industry, to the point that it's become near-impossible to find a game that _doesn't have this feature in some form or another. And Gaius has been reading up. He knows that when true virtual reality arrives, these games will recieve a boost to push them, and him, into the closest semblance of 2000 years ago yet. It still won't be as good as the real thing. But it's getting closer... If you take this route, Gaius will have to be altered. He'll effectively be in service to Nybbas, if he isn't transferred outright. And he'll have lots of computer skills, as well as a nasty enemy (Orc, Angel of Networks). Erin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:42:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "O. S. Kerr" Subject: Re: IN> Fluff. That's all it is, fluff. No hidden meanings, no philophical positions. Just fluff. I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but... Slamhounds. William Gibson. Count Zero. "They set a slamhound on Turner's trail in New Delhi, slotted it to his pheromones and the color of his hair. It caught up with him on the street called Chandni Chauk and came scrambling for his rented BMW through a forest of bare brown legs and pedicab tires. Its core was a kilogram of recrystallized hexogene and flaked TNT." Slamhounds run after you, get close, then boom. O. - --- Bruce Dykes wrote: > --- Maurice Lane wrote: > > > Shedim disassembled the alarm clock at the earliest > > opportunity: they need the parts for the bomb's > > timer > > (a standard recipe is fertilizer, several common > > cleaning agents, and Fluffy). > > You know this is what I love about demons. > > Because us GM's work so closely with said demons, and > really need to convey their 'pure evilness' (with > thanks to Dave Nelson), we get to play with just how > Fluffy works as part of said bomb... > > Animal lovers should press the delete key now... > > Presenting: The Bloodhound Bomb > > It's really only a trigger. Timmy's dog, Fluffy, gets > kidnapped by a demon. Using advanced veterinary > techniques pioneered by Vapulan emergency pet care > centers, the brain and nose are surgically removed, > and suspended in a nutrient bath/electronic > environment simulation, then trained to recognize > Timmy's scent. > > The bomb+brain are then placed in Timmy's closet. When > Timmy comes home from school and looks for Fluffy, > shaking a box of Milk Bones, then walks into his > room...Fluffy go boom. > > Elaborate and overdone? Yup. Excessively noisy? Define > excessive. Demonic? Oh yeah. > > I'm just riffing, so I don't have any game costs, but > since this is all technique, the only game costs > involved should be either a) learning the procedure > from a Vappie servitor, or b) trading a favor to a > Vappie servitor. And the added noise of Fluffy's > demise. Since it's a surgical procedure, I'd only add > the additional noise at the time of Fluffy's death, > but your campaign's noise rules may vary... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ===== ** The trouble with being the Best Man at a wedding is that you never get to prove it. ** ** I minored in behavioral psychology. Tragic irony and human suffering are just hobbies. ** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:35:10 -0400 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: IN> Re: Recovering lost words Beth wrote: > > > > > Well, Lucifer might just appear to the new Angel of Light, smile > > > disturbingly, offer a boon, INSIST that it be taken, and then, > > > well... _something_ bad. > > > > That might happen...brrr....shudder. Though I'm curious actually > > though if Lucifer might not take a VERY bad reaction to this. > > What, you don't count the above as a VERY bad reaction? You're not > thinking evilly enough. Very Bad doesn't have to involved an obvious > temper tantrum. Revenge is, of course, a dish best served cold. You know, if something like this happened to my players, it would go like this: PC: Doo-dah-doo-doo.... L: Greetings, young one. I offer you...a gift. Refuse it at your peril. PC: A gift? L: Indeed; ask a boon of the Morning Star, and he shall grant it. PC: Gimme a light. PC: Oh, I'm sorry, I *FORGOT* -- how 'bout a dark instead? This is also why I didn't try running the Prince of Rock and Roll adventure in Night Music -- seeing Lucifer humiliated in front of a crowd of millions, well that wouldn't be pretty. :) - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:42:33 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Prefall adventuring. A half-million-year campaign is quite a challenge. As to your Homo erectus Soldier of God, I don't know of anything in the rules that would let him be immortal, but (1) you could simply have an Archangel wave its wings over him and do it, or (2) you could have him reincarnate quickly and reliably, which would also explain why he isn't a Homo erectus any more. Allow me to present you with a timeline that might prove helpful (developed for our own non-IN campaign, which involves time-travel): ca. -4,400,000 to ca. -1,100,000 Australopithecines flourish. ca. -2,400,000 to ca. -1,500,000 Homo habilis flourish in Africa. They were capable of vocal speech at the level of an Ameslan-signing chimpanzee. ca. -2,000,000 to ca. -1,500,000 Australopithecus robustus flourishes in Africa. ca. -1,900,000 to -300,000 Homo erectus flourishes throughout the Old World. ca. -780,000 to ca. -200,000 Archaic Homo sapiens A flourish in Europe and Mid-East. ca. -230,000 to ca. -25,000 Homo neanderthalensis flourish in Europe and Mid-East. ca. -90,000 Modern humans appear on an island in the Persian Gulf. The Fall ensues. Shortly thereafter, nephilim appear among them. The Gulf floods, nearly wiping out the infant human race. The survivors scatter. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:41:34 GMT From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: Re: IN> Prefall adventuring. >have an Archangel wave its wings over him and do it, or (2) you >could have him reincarnate quickly and reliably, which would >also explain why he isn't a Homo erectus any more. No one said that he wouldn't stay a Homo Erectus. I imagine that it would be pretty interesting to play a 500,000 year old Pre Homo Sapien. Angelic Blessing and 500,000 years of experience could make up for the lack of base mental capacity and as for appearance well, I know some people who could pass for a homo erectus today. I figure if the Ofinate bonds a force to him he can have the attunement and that will at least save him from ageing, but I think that sickness and violence would still be a problem. I don't know, but I like the idea. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:03:21 GMT From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: Re: IN> Website update time again (with new stuff!) Daisy is soooooooo sickiningly sweet that she should be shot and killed! I love her! I'm going to have to force one on my players to be her servitor, it'll be a happy fun-fun time. Daniel J Gallagher Archangel of Slackers "The world is... Hey pass the Doritos!" _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 2000 09:06:50 -0700 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Website update time again (with new stuff!) On Wed, 13 September 2000, Maurice Lane wrote: > and, for the Really Big One, my nasty, nasty, nasty > contender for the Ultimate Terrifying Demon, found in You, sir, are evil! Evil! I bow in your direction. :) I have an idea for a humorous fluffy piece involving Daisy and Kobal. May I use your NPC? - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:12:54 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Website update time again (with new stuff!) Daisy reminds me (in concept, not execution (if you'll forgive the tempting term)) of the Cheerful Fairy from Terry Pratchett's "Hogfather." Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:35:34 -0600 From: Tim Groth Subject: IN> Eli, Creation and Heresy! Is it just me or is Creation usually considered a feminine concept? Humanity has a good bit of male Creators, but female presence in Creation myths and creation on a small scale is ever present (and realistic considering). So Eli must have one hell of a feminine presence which he never seems to present. So maybe why he went AWOL is to find a man. If he finds a guy good enough he's going to use a female Vessel and the Song of Fruition (assuming she even needs it). Maybe the first time Eli did something like this was to father Jesus. Maybe he's hoping for another Jesus, or maybe Eli's biological clock is just ticking down. Thousands of years without ever expressing a large part of ones Word must cause some tension. Just a random thought after getting bumped on the head. Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:31:07 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Eli, Creation and Heresy! Tim Groth wrote: > Is it just me or is Creation usually considered a feminine concept? It's just you. Seriously, to my mind, creation suggests human activities like building or crafting objects, or composing songs or tales. These are non-gendered. Of course, there's also creation as birth, which is quintessentially feminine, but then there's creation as begetting, quintessentially masculine if not quite as obvious. None of this need stand in the way of Eli wanting to express Creation in a female mode, or a male one, if he/she/really-it hasn't done so in too long. Heck, Eli seems to be the sort of Archangel that would meditate long on the fact that some organisms have as many as nine sexes, and come up with something ... truly creative as a result. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:48:44 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> Prefall adventuring. > ca. -780,000 to ca. -200,000 > Archaic Homo sapiens A flourish in Europe and Mid-East. Aha! 500,000 BCE would allow for Archaic Homo sapiens. GURPS Ice Age + that Anthro class I took suddenly become useful -- Archaic Homo sapiens aren't *significantly* different from modern humans, and one that lived for half a million years would fit in nicely. He might be short... (Not to say that GURPS Ice Age isn't useful. I was inches away from conning my players into making characters -- one did -- but then my normally adventurous player balked at the idea. And I couldn't give away the planet-of-the-apes-style adventure plot, either, to entice him.) > Earl Thanks. :) Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:49:08 GMT From: "David Barton" Subject: IN> Poss OT: PBEM question Hi, Just a quick question...any one here run, or know of any In Nomine PBEMs that are looking for new players? If you do please drop me a note with the details. Thank you David _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:07:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Recovering lost words Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:44:52 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Recovering lost words >On the other hand, you don't want to do anything that >could be considered *contaminating* the Word of >Purity. As Beth said, pop goes the angel. That leads me to imagine the scene as the Seraphim Council attempts to invest yet another "volunteer" with the Word of Purity: "What, _again_? We still haven't cleaned the last one off the walls yet! "It's a rainy Saturday and the Powers that Be are bored. Just be grateful that they're not trying to reinvesture Light again." Funny, in a dark, low contrast sort of way. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:12:00 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: IN> Contest V: Belial. The Laurence entries will be posted sometime before the end of Sunday. The Rand-o-Superior Perl Script Picker chose Belial. For those unfamiliar with this, I have been semi-randomly selecting a Superior every week for the last four weeks and posting his or her name to the list. The list then responds by writing up a minor choir or band for that Superior. Everyone's welcome to make something up. After editting the entries, I post them on a website for posterity's sake. To give myself a bit of a break, we'll give you all two-weeks to get your entries together. You are all, of course, welcome to post them to the list long before then, but I won't collate them until the 28th. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:52:57 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> Prefall adventuring. (Came in before the posters-l s u b took effect...) >Subject: Re: IN> Prefall adventuring. >From: jmcbray@carcosa.net (Jason F. McBrayer) >Date: 14 Sep 2000 15:46:35 -0400 > >>>>>> "DG" == Daniel Gallagher writes: > >DG> I figure if the Ofinate bonds a force to him he can have the >DG> attunement and that will at least save him from ageing, but I >DG> think that sickness and violence would still be a problem. I don't >DG> know, but I like the idea. > >Or you could just give him the Corporeal Song of Entropy, or let him >achieve his Destiny in the first part of your campaign, then bring him >back in later parts as a Saint. > >-- >+-----------------------------------------------------------+ >| Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@carcosa.net | >| A flower falls, even though we love it; and a weed grows, | >| even though we do not love it. -- Dogen | > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:58:01 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> What if ... Lucifer didn't Fall? At 5:13 PM -0700 9/13/00, Sean McCarthy wrote: Mmmm, fun. [...] >*(3) I happen to say in my games that Uriel was a Seraph. Truth, Purity, >all that sort of thing. Unless I'm totally zoned, Uriel was a Seraph. APG reference? Can't recall. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:52:49 -0700 From: Steven Feldon Subject: RE: IN> What if ... Lucifer didn't Fall? Malakite, but Seraph until the Raising of the Fists. - -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth McCoy [mailto:emccoy@nh.ultranet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 2:58 PM To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: Re: IN> What if ... Lucifer didn't Fall? At 5:13 PM -0700 9/13/00, Sean McCarthy wrote: Mmmm, fun. [...] >*(3) I happen to say in my games that Uriel was a Seraph. Truth, Purity, >all that sort of thing. Unless I'm totally zoned, Uriel was a Seraph. APG reference? Can't recall. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:46:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Gant Subject: Re: IN> What if ... Lucifer didn't Fall? On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >*(3) I happen to say in my games that Uriel was a Seraph. Truth, Purity, > >all that sort of thing. > > Unless I'm totally zoned, Uriel was a Seraph. APG reference? Can't recall. He *was* a Seraph. Until the War began, and he became the first Malakite. I don't remember the particular reference off the top of my head, though. Richard Gant - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Gant's Gaming Ghetto: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dunes/4656/ The Returners Final Fantasy Role-Playing Game Site: http://returners.simplenet.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:53:51 EDT From: Zeresh43@gateway.net Subject: IN> Another Contest? I've noticed that conversation has been pretty lax lately, and I'm bored myself. So, I thought it'd be interesting to see something. Whoever feels like going along with this and not just deleting this e-mail will submit their favorite angel. If you're a PC, then the angel they've enjoyed running the most, and if you're a GM then the NPC angel they enjoyed playing the most. If you've never played before but you've got a character, then send him or her in. If you don't have a character, but you've got a kewl idea for one, send that in. You'll notice that I keep saying "angel." That's because this is sort of like the opposite of that whole "squick" thing that happened a little while ago. I'd like to say that I've played a lot of one-shot games, so I've got a lot of characters. We were asked to make one on the spot one time during a game, and below is who I came up with. I'll never figure out why he's my favorite. For one of my characters, he's pretty light. I perfer gray games, but ah well. Check him out right after my signature Clear Skies Zach "I know who you are! You're the Dee Eee Vee Eee um...Eye El." - --Delerium of the Endless "Don't drink the sludge at the bottom of your coffee cup. Don't drink the cup either. Just the coffee." - --Destruction of the Endless Jonan Kyriotate of Animals Petitioning for the Word of Mourning Doves Corporeal Forces-2 Strength 2 Agility 6 Ethereal Forces-3 Intelligence 4 Precision 8 Celestial Forces-4 Will 10 Perception 6 Songs: Dreams (Corporeal/2), Form (Corporeal/1, Ethereal/3, Celestial/2) Skills: Animal Handling/4, Emote/2, Lucid Dreaming/2, Survival/1, Knowledge: Doves/2, Chess/2 Attunements: Kyriotate of Jordi, Ofanim of Jordi, Animal Magnetism To hear him tell it, there were a few thousand demons AND ethereals in against him. In reality, there were two, and one wasn't against him. It's not that he grossly exaggerates stories on purpose, he just…does. He was training in Beth-Chilmad, and he happened to wander a bit from the training grounds. Who knows how it happened, it did. So there he was, a lost and confused Kyriotate amongst the Marches, when who should come along, but a servant of Beleth and a new Ethereal spirit who had just popped up. This servant of Beleth was attempting to recruit the Ethereal. Jonan just sort of fell in the way. It wasn't as bloody as he expected it to be. In fact, the demon, for fear of retaliation, simply ran at the sight of the young Kyriotate. If only he knew… The young Ethereal in question was a dove spirit being worshipped by some Native Americans. The tribe that worshiped it was small, and the last form the spirit had taken on had been destroyed by a few wondering Malakim of a certain distinct breed. The dove told our hero why she hated angels, and the hero told the dove why they were taught to hate ethereals. Afterwards, they agreed that both reasons were a stupid reason to hate an entire group of people, really. So the two talked to each other, and the Kyriotate showed that he could make himself look like a dove. After a long while's talking, Jonan realized he had accidentally fallen in love. He pointed this out to the dove spirit, who decided that she had fallen in love too. For a little while, they just sat there, not really sure what to do about this fact. It is, of course, forbidden for an angel to fall in love with an Ethereal spirit. But he agreed to something. He said that each night, when he had a chance, he would come visit her in the ethereal plane, and she smiled and gave him one of her feathers. He realized he had to get back to his training, and she realized she had to get back to her citadel. So there they parted. He returned to Beth-Chilmad and told the others there he had been attacked by a demon and an ethereal, and the story slowly began to get blown out of proportion. As soon as he was first brought to the mortal plane, he took the form of a dove, and every night he sleeps. Every night he dreams. Of his dove. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:30:36 -0700 From: Sean McCarthy Subject: Re: IN> What if ... Lucifer didn't Fall? Our spies report that on 06:46 PM 9/14/00 -0400, Richard Gant said: >On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > > >*(3) I happen to say in my games that Uriel was a Seraph. Truth, Purity, > > >all that sort of thing. > > > > Unless I'm totally zoned, Uriel was a Seraph. APG reference? Can't recall. > >He *was* a Seraph. Until the War began, and he became the first Malakite. >I don't remember the particular reference off the top of my head, though. And there's the rub! The last time I asserted Uriel was a Seraph without qualifying it, someone disputed and I couldn't find a citation to support myself. But ... yes. Seraph->Malakite, that's the way it always made sense to me. Sean ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 2000 20:51:53 -0400 From: jmcbray@carcosa.net (Jason F. McBrayer) Subject: Re: IN> Website update time again (with new stuff!) >>>>> "ML" == Maurice Lane writes: ML> Feedback is, as usual, my hope and joy (but especially ML> in Daisy's case). :) Terrifying! I can't help but wondering if she could be worked into an In Nomine-Paranoia crossover (along with Orc, Shedite Prince of the Computer). Happiness is mandatory, citizen! - -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@carcosa.net | | A flower falls, even though we love it; and a weed grows, | | even though we do not love it. -- Dogen | ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 2000 20:52:14 -0400 From: jmcbray@carcosa.net (Jason F. McBrayer) Subject: Re: IN> "I've never killed anyone this way before. It's kind of neat."* >>>>> "EC" == Erin Collins writes: EC> If you take this route, Gaius will have to be altered. EC> He'll effectively be in service to Nybbas, if he EC> isn't transferred outright. And he'll have lots of EC> computer skills, as well as a nasty enemy (Orc, Angel EC> of Networks). Yes, Orc really hates network games. Not because he objects to a little carnage now and then, but because they suck up so much bandwidth that could be used for more productive things! He and Simon (Malakite Angel of the Manual) are cooking something up to deal with this, though... - -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@carcosa.net | | A flower falls, even though we love it; and a weed grows, | | even though we do not love it. -- Dogen | ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 2000 21:06:51 -0400 From: jmcbray@carcosa.net (Jason F. McBrayer) Subject: Re: IN> What if ... Lucifer didn't Fall? >>>>> "SM" == Sean McCarthy writes: SM> DISCLAIMER: This is most emphatically NOT canon. I will refer to things SM> from the books to support my theory, but I want the theory to be clear up SM> front. I do not propose that Lucifer, in present canon, is actually a SM> Seraph. Rather I propose that you could create an alternate setting in SM> which he Did Not Fall and probably is a Seraph without needing to throw the SM> rest of the history out the window. I've been pondering something parallel to this, kind of a 'how much change in the canon setting do you get from one little change' thing. In my alternate setting, the one change is that the Light of Heaven does _not_ burn demons. As a result, being a demon is as much a political status as a metaphysical one; there's nothing more obviously demonic about Habbalah than about Malakim, for example. "Bright" Lilim are just Lilim who have sworn into service with an Archangel (no aura-wings or other celestial changes), as Dark Lilim are sworn to Demon Princes. Umm, there's a lot more, but it's off topic. SM> Please give your feedback on this idea. Again, it is an alternate SM> setting, not an attempt to be revisionist with canon. I really like the idea of Lucifer as an unfallen Seraph. Your portrayal of him is rather like Anne Rice's Memnoch. To him, God's plan is has something Obviously Wrong with it, and he has the lonely and unending job of trying to mitigate the effects of God's detachment from His creation. It's also a really good answer to the question of why Lucifer is so different in power/nature from, say, Baal, Andrealphus, or Kobal. I'd take it another way, though. Rather than have him have a secret deal with God, however, I'd rather portray a Seraph Lucifer as being in open rebellion because he knows the Truth about God. He'd still be rather disgusted with demons, but he'll work with who he has to. This would be suitable for Backward campaigns, but maybe also for very, very dark forward ones (where the demons are _right_, but it's because humanity is so bad, not because the angels are). - -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@carcosa.net | | A flower falls, even though we love it; and a weed grows, | | even though we do not love it. -- Dogen | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:41:10 -0400 From: hbias@earthlink.net (Harris Bias) Subject: Re: IN> Prefall adventuring. >> ca. -780,000 to ca. -200,000 >> Archaic Homo sapiens A flourish in Europe and Mid-East. > >Aha! 500,000 BCE would allow for Archaic Homo sapiens. GURPS Ice Age + >that Anthro class I took suddenly become useful -- Archaic Homo sapiens >aren't *significantly* different from modern humans, and one that lived for >half a million years would fit in nicely. He might be short... > Probably very short, under 5 feet, unless one of the benifits of being a Soldier is improved nutrition. OTOH, with the Ofanite of Creation attunement he could deage himself back to a child and grow up again when better food was availible and be quite tall. He probably could also speak every human language... - -- G. Harris Bias hbias@earthlink.net "He had some measure of the infuriating trait that causes a young man to be a nonconformist for its own sake and found that the surest way to shock people, in those days, was to believe that some kinds of behavior were bad, and others good, and that is was reasonable to live one's life accordingly." -Neal Stephenson, "The Diamond Age" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:05:39 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: IN> Older Attunements Just thought of something. Forgive if it's been discussed to death before, but I did some reasonable-sounding searches in the digest and didn't find much. Here's the deal: Unless Jean and Vapula are *very* foresighted - and it's not beyond the realm of possibility - some of those Attunements can't have been around forever. Jean's Elohim cued me on this. After all, "a high-speed wireless link to the Internet" would not have been particularly useful until about thirty years ago! So I've been pondering what some of these attunements might have looked like in earlier centuries, and how they changed into what they are today. (Nybbas, of course, we don't have to worry about. He's a recent kid.) Elohim of Lightning Jean's Elohim are incredibly precise in their control and manipulation of electrical currents. With one second of concentration and 1 Essence, they can reweave particles in the vicinity to create a chemical amalgamation which generates a tiny amount of lightning, and/or direct the flow of the Spark with conductors and insulators so as to achieve almost any electrical effect known to man or angel. (A favorite object was an electrified sword, doing an extra 1d of damage with the first successful hit per "recharge.") The object remains until the angel ceases to hold it. This attunement started changing when Eli delegated the sphere of the new, electrically-based inventions to Jean. First, the power for the object was no longer chemically generated, it was created "free." Later, as faster and more complex electrical tools were created, circuits became more predominant in the inventions. Data storage in potentiality between instantiations was the idea of a Servitor, who was well-rewarded.* With the advent of the computer in human consciousness, Jean's Elohim attunement came to be what it is today. While any angel with the know-how could create some kind of networking port previously when desired, in recent years the Internet has become so entangled with the idea of computing(information flowing around at Lightning speeds, and other connotations) that the Internet jack is now "standard." Likewise Jean's basic Rites were probably different. Instead of resting touching the turbine in a power station or plugged into a wall socket, an angel could regenerate Essence by bathing in static electricity for three hours, electrum being useful to generate static charge for this purpose. More active electricity is just more useful, and so replaced static charge as a basic Rite. Djinn of Technology Djinn working for Vapula are granted compasses to which they can attune a number of objects equal to their owners' Celestial Power. The object becomes attuned with a touch, and thereafter the compass points in the direction of any attuned object which the Djinn focuses its thoughts on, even indicating distance by changing color(red means hundreds of miles away, blue means within feet). Vapula deliberately changed the form of this when RADAR came on the scene, making it a tiny RADAR unit. Computerized triangulation has again caused him to change the device's form. Lilim of Technology Vapula's Lilim can easily act the part of bright, intellectual women with a flattering take on the sciences and engineering(whatever that is for a certain nation and time, up to and including cutesy total ignorance), adding their Celestial Power to any use of their resonance against someone of a scientific or technical bent. To help this along, they are provided with at least some up-to-date technical information in one field of study. The first part of the alignment has remained the same - as for the second part, it became the Hacking bonus. Vapula's been focusing on hacking recently as computers become the thing most thought of as Technology. Shedim of Technology Vapula gives each of his Shedim a mobile machine to use as a vessel, entering freely when a host is not available. The Shedite may add its Celestial Power to any attempt to possess someone who uses the machine while the demon is inside. Any celestial with possession ability may use the artifact as a host and gain the bonus. These days, computers are simply easier to use as hosts - from a human's point of view these days, it's less improbable that a sentient being could be taking up residence in a calculating device than in, say, a loom or a wagon. The 'Net connection is also a recent addition. Smaller things, like names of Rites and Attunements, probably vary quite a lot over time with the celestial fashion of the day and whatever corporeal language is being used. Invocation Modifiers probably change a lot as well, flowing with the nature and power of the Word. William *Did anybody else, reading this Attunement, figure that God was powering the computer, providing the computations, connecting to the 'Net, and storing the data, thus making Him the Ultimate Server? %^) ** **Yggdrasil forever! ^_^ ***Alternatively, Jean really could have developed a Heavenly server which is at least a Tech Level, maybe 2, ahead of Earth's technology. It stores all the date from the Elohim'... Elohites'... Elohim's... from the Powers' computers. Plural possessive Hebraic conjugation, anyone? ;^) ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1820 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.