From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Sep 22 15:56:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA00645 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:56:01 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id PAA29996 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:54:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:54:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200009222054.PAA29996@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1828 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, September 22 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1828 In this digest: Re: IN> A suggestion for yet another massive, blissfully unprofitable, fan endeavour Re: IN> Servitors of Light Re: IN> A suggestion for yet another massive, blissfully unprofit able, fan endeavour Re: IN> Servitors of Light Re: IN> Disturbance Re: IN> It's official. I have IN permanently hardwired into my brain. Re: IN> A suggestion for yet another massive, blissfully unprofit able, fan endeavour Re: IN> A suggestion for yet another massive, blissfully unprofitable, fan endeavour Re: IN> It's official. I have IN permanently hardwired into my brain.> IN> Whoa. Re: IN> It's official. I have IN permanently hardwired into my brain.> IN> IN Koan (OK, not really, but it is a puzzler) Re: IN> IN Koan (OK, not really, but it is a puzzler) Re: IN> IN Koan (OK, not really, but it is a puzzler) Re: IN> IN Koan (OK, not really, but it is a puzzler) IN> *laugh* Re:IN> Word Bounds - their Superiors and their Chiors Re: IN> A suggestion for yet another massive, blissfullyunprofitable, fan endeavour Re: IN> It's official. I have IN permanently hardwired into my brain. Re: IN> Word Bounds - their Superiors and their Chiors Re: IN> IN Koan (OK, not really, but it is a puzzler) Re: IN> IN Koan (OK, not really, but it is a puzzler) IN> Superiors 4.... Re: IN> IN Koan (OK, not really, but it is a puzzler) Re: IN> A suggestion for yet another massive, blissfully unprofitable, fan endeavour Re: IN> IN Koan (OK, not really, but it is a puzzler) Re: IN> IN Koan (OK, not really, but it is a puzzler) Re: IN> IN Koan (OK, not really, but it is a puzzler) Re: IN> It's official. I have IN permanently hardwired into my brain. Re: IN> It would be funny if it wasn't so scary Re: IN> Semi-delirious thought Re: IN> Word Bounds - their Superiors and their Chiors Re: IN> A suggestion for yet another massive, blissfully unprofitable, fan endeavour ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:55:27 -0600 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> A suggestion for yet another massive, blissfully unprofitable, fan endeavour >I mean, we've got Esperanto, and Quenya, and for God's >sake Klingon, so how could this be any less bizarre? Well all of those are corporeal tongues. The celestial tongues I'd imagine are some bizare musical scale that has no representation in corporeal sound (as you can't speak it on earth). Which would make it pretty bizare. So unless anyone on this list is Symphonically aware I don't think that it would do anyone any good. Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:56:47 -0600 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Servitors of Light >http://www.sinfest.net/comics/sf20000921.gif > >Sinfest is awesome. That it is. My favorite is one a few days ago where the Devil is sitting around contimplating how cool he is. I'm tempted to run a humerous game with all of the Superiors in their very satirical form and have Lucifer be a lot like the Sinfest devil. Of course the hand of God would also have to be there, mocking him. Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:54:52 -0400 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> A suggestion for yet another massive, blissfully unprofit able, fan endeavour Maurice Lane wrote: > > Which reminds me of ANOTHER thought (I'm making up for > lost time, here): anyone give any thought to mocking > up a semi-semi-official dictionary* of common Angelic > and Helltongue words? For angels, just grab a Hebrew-English dictionary. I suppose you could add Aramaic and Arabic to the list, too. Demons, of course, speak English with a SoCal accent, slipping into a vaguely British accent when they want to act villainously. (You didn't think all those TV shows and movies wer produced on _Earth_, did you? It's why they are amazingly bad and amazingly popular worldwide....) - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 14:18:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Servitors of Light - --- Charles E Smith wrote: > You know, I was just thinking about something. I'm not sure what > canon is > on this, but what if a Servitor of Light, unFallen, remained in > Heaven > working as the Angel of Redemption, trying to rescue his/her Fallen > comrades and Superior? Think that would throw a curve into Lucifer's > schemes? Hehhehheh... I like the way you think. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "God, protect me from my friends - -- my enemies I can handle." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:53:04 -0500 From: "James Bearse & Brandy Badenoch" Subject: Re: IN> Disturbance Therefore... By the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, any act of observation disturbs the observed. Therefore any observation done by a Celestial _at all_ creates a form of micro-disturbance (millinotes?) that can be measured by a sufficiently sophisticated device. Coming from Vaputech in 2002. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Omentide" To: Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 12:26 PM Subject: Re: IN> Disturbance > Non canon interpretation from Ashley. > > I tend to use this for my games, on the whole it works > > A disturbance is caused by celestial action in the corporeal realm (this > assumes a game set in thecorporeal) which is not part of the Role of that > celestial. Therefore whatever action any celestial takes in the corporeal > realm generates disturbance. Sticking a knife in a human generates a lot > of disturbance. Giving a human a disease generates disturbance, locking a > human in a cell can do the same. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:08:25 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> It's official. I have IN permanently hardwired into my brain. - --On Thursday, September 21, 2000 3:55 PM -0400 Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 1:45 PM -0400 9/21/00, Marc Bowden wrote: >> --On Thursday, September 21, 2000 12:29 PM -0400 Elizabeth McCoy >> wrote: >> >>> * (Yes, I _am_ a heathen infidel.) >> >> Only if you don't like Bob and Larry. Then we start worrying. > > Bob & Larry? I presume that second name is not a nickname for the > Lord Commander of the Host...? > *snorkspew* Larry as commander of the Host. There's an image. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("I've got squishy in my *ear*.") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:12:17 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> A suggestion for yet another massive, blissfully unprofit able, fan endeavour - --On Thursday, September 21, 2000 4:54 PM -0400 "Krishnaswami, Neel" wrote: > > Demons, of course, speak English with a SoCal accent, slipping > into a vaguely British accent when they want to act villainously. > (You didn't think all those TV shows and movies wer produced on > _Earth_, did you? It's why they are amazingly bad and amazingly > popular worldwide....) > In your world, every demon is Alan Rickman? Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Why Kathy Lee Gifford, my prince? Why not lock him in the pit instead with asps and vipers?" "Because she's dull, you twit. It'll hurt more.") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:17:26 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> A suggestion for yet another massive, blissfully unprofitable, fan endeavour - --On Thursday, September 21, 2000 2:55 PM -0600 Tim Groth wrote: > > Well all of those are corporeal tongues. The celestial tongues I'd > imagine are some bizare musical scale that has no representation in > corporeal sound (as you can't speak it on earth). Which would make > it pretty bizare. > I'm drawn to that scene in "Splash" where the Darryl Hannah character says her real name in her native language and property damage ensues. I imagine it would be something similar. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("...my name is a killing word...") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:05:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> It's official. I have IN permanently hardwired into my brain.> From: "Azrael" Subject: Re: IN> It's official. I have IN permanently hardwired into my brain.> >Cool Idea...Balseraph Bomb!...actually I'm a >Mercurian of Flow -*BOOM!**cackle* LOL. :) Alas, the Band I was thinking of was Calabim. You see, my AA of Mending really, really doesn't like Calabim, and sees nothing wrong with enchanting ordinary electrical devices into relics that do a one-time zap of (Song to be determined: Light and/or Lightning would be tres amusing, but so would anything else that had the potential to inflict soul hits)/6 whenever a Calabite wandered within 5 feet (and let's not even talk about a Calabite using his resonance)... The best part is, of course, that Vapula hates Calabim too... :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:21:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Whoa. Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:04:48 -0500From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> It's official. I have IN permanently hardwired into my brain. >Oh, and to see images from "VeggieTales," go to > http://www.bigidea.comor > http://www.veggietales.com >Earl Good Lord. I was certain that you were joking. That has got to be the weirdest thing I've seen today (admittedly, I spent most of it at work). You know, if this stuff is any good, it could make for particularly demented props... :) Morgan (FAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of This Even Beats Out My Rough Notes For a Animated Series With Superiors As The Heroes/Villains. "Give it up, ChessMaster! Your diabolical plots won't work against the Superior Squad!" ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:02:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Collins Subject: Re: IN> It's official. I have IN permanently hardwired into my brain.> - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > > Alas, the Band I was thinking of was Calabim. You > see, my AA of Mending really, really doesn't like > Calabim, and sees nothing wrong with enchanting > ordinary electrical devices into relics that do a > one-time zap of (Song to be determined: Light and/or > Lightning would be tres amusing, but so would > anything > else that had the potential to inflict soul hits)/6 > whenever a Calabite wandered within 5 feet (and > let's > not even talk about a Calabite using his > resonance)... > > Moe > The Archangel of Mending blows stuff up? That just doesn't seem right... Erin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:19:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> IN Koan (OK, not really, but it is a puzzler) If humans aren't subject to dissonance, wouldn't that mean that a human Superior wouldn't be at risk from it as well? This puzzler came to me as I was reviewing my web page (a lot of the stuff there is just begging for a thorough editing, not to mention backlinks), and I'm blessed if I can think of an answer*. :) Moe *A hypothetical Ethereal Superior would have the same loophole, of course, but then again they're completely noncanonical, not to mention extremely rare even in noncanon (I've only seen two, ever, and one of them's mine). :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:34:59 -0600 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> IN Koan (OK, not really, but it is a puzzler) >If humans aren't subject to dissonance, wouldn't that >mean that a human Superior wouldn't be at risk from it >as well? Well Humans can't be bound to Words (but Superiors have to be, as far as I know) and Humans don't have resonances. If a Human gained either one of them they may become subject to Dissonance or a Dissonance like thing from them. A Human with a Word violating that Word may take soul hits or something. Assuming Lilith holds the Word herself, has the resonance herself, and the like he probably does suffer some ill effect when she should be getting Dissonance. Even if its just loosing the 10 essence that can clear it away. Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:09:45 GMT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> IN Koan (OK, not really, but it is a puzzler) >From: Maurice Lane >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: IN> IN Koan (OK, not really, but it is a puzzler) >Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:19:58 -0700 (PDT) > >If humans aren't subject to dissonance, wouldn't that >mean that a human Superior wouldn't be at risk from it >as well? > There are no human superiors so it doesn't matter. (I don't buy that Lilith is human now, although she was once. Humans aren't green, don't have horns, can't lay geases, etc. etc.) jo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:44:40 +1000 From: "Azrael" Subject: Re: IN> IN Koan (OK, not really, but it is a puzzler) > >If humans aren't subject to dissonance, wouldn't that > >mean that a human Superior wouldn't be at risk from it > >as well? > > > > There are no human superiors so it doesn't matter. (I don't buy that Lilith > is human now, although she was once. Humans aren't green, don't have horns, > can't lay geases, etc. etc.) IS Lilith green and + horns??? I know Lilim are/do...but is it canon that Lilith does/is too? Azrael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 08:46:21 GMT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: IN> *laugh* Oh my word. It has a picture of the superhamster :) : ) jo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:48:56 -0500 From: "Cthulhu" Subject: Re:IN> Word Bounds - their Superiors and their Chiors >Demon of People With Really Big Hats or Afros Who Always Seem To Sit Right >In Front Of You At The Theater Servitor of Magog, as this is a really nasty thing to do. Probably a Djinn as well, as they'd be willing to sit there for _ages_ without moving. The Sleepy One _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:01:42 -0500 From: "Cthulhu" Subject: Re: IN> A suggestion for yet another massive, blissfullyunprofitable, fan endeavour > I'm drawn to that scene in "Splash" where the Darryl Hannah character >says her real name in her native language and property damage ensues. I >imagine it would be something similar. Agreed. I consider angelic to be more like music (chimes, chords, etc) than conventional human speech, possibly sounding like the corrosponding instruments for whatever choir is speaking. Infernal speech should be a debased form of the same, with the same notes on instruments (not sure about Lilim on this). I'm of the opinion that it should almost literally make a humans ears bleed to hear it as well. The Sleepy One _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:11:09 EDT From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> It's official. I have IN permanently hardwired into my brain. In a message dated 9/22/00 12:08:55 AM, ryumo@merit.edu writes: > > >--On Thursday, September 21, 2000 3:55 PM -0400 Elizabeth McCoy > wrote: > >> At 1:45 PM -0400 9/21/00, Marc Bowden wrote: >>> --On Thursday, September 21, 2000 12:29 PM -0400 Elizabeth McCoy >>> wrote: >>> >>>> * (Yes, I _am_ a heathen infidel.) >>> >>> Only if you don't like Bob and Larry. Then we start worrying. >> >> Bob & Larry? I presume that second name is not a nickname for the >> Lord Commander of the Host...? >> > > *snorkspew* > > Larry as commander of the Host. There's an image. > >Marc. Just Marc. >Elohite Angel of Salvation >("I've got squishy in my *ear*.") > *Howls with laughter* Oh, lord. That was painful. Remember Larryboy! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:35:35 EDT From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Word Bounds - their Superiors and their Chiors In a message dated 9/21/00 4:07:30 PM, yoshimato@hotmail.com writes: >Demon of Saying The Wrong Thing In Spanish - Kobal - Balseraph "No, honest, it just means 'your mother...' It isn't an insult" >Angel Of Bouncers - Zadkiel - Cherub That should have been obvious. >Demon of Instigation - Malphas - Lilim >Demon of The Holy Inquisition - Asmodeus - Habbalite >Demon of Barfights - Baal - Calabite So someone already said this, so sue me... >Angel of Caffenated Beverages - Marc - Ofanite >Demon of People With Really Big Hats or Afros Who Always Seem To Sit Right >In Front Of You At The Theater - Kobal - Djinn Mark ------------------------------ Date: 22 Sep 2000 11:40:29 -0400 From: jmcbray@carcosa.net (Jason F. McBrayer) Subject: Re: IN> IN Koan (OK, not really, but it is a puzzler) >>>>> "A" == Azrael writes: >> There are no human superiors so it doesn't matter. (I don't buy >> that Lilith is human now, although she was once. Humans aren't >> green, don't have horns, can't lay geases, etc. etc.) A> IS Lilith green and + horns??? A> I know Lilim are/do...but is it canon that Lilith does/is too? Actually, It's canon that she isn't (green) and doesn't (have horns): CPG p.92. Though I've never been a big fan of the `Lilith is still human' model, either. - -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@carcosa.net | | A flower falls, even though we love it; and a weed grows, | | even though we do not love it. -- Dogen | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 11:14:33 -0600 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> IN Koan (OK, not really, but it is a puzzler) >Actually, It's canon that she isn't (green) and doesn't (have horns): >CPG p.92. Though I've never been a big fan of the `Lilith is still >human' model, either. Not only does she still look human but she can do things like kill someone without disturbing the Symphony as well as influence Tether creation. If she wasn't still human then she wouldn't be as vexing to the Host and the other DPs. A demonish thing that looked like Lilith, acted like Lilith and had a Word would probably be chalked up to Lucifer very carefully dismantling the origional Lilith. A Superior who is clearly human and Worded shows that Lucifer is remixing the Symphony and makes it so Heaven can't just go, "He's just a realy big Superior." Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:00:53 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: IN> Superiors 4.... ...is in my greedy hand and handlike-claw. It's a nice book, full of good art and that "new book smell." I like it. All right, screwing up my byline name is wonky, but it's a simple mistake so I'm not complaining really. (Though if they got it right on my contract, and always got it right in *playtest....* Sorry. Ego burst through for a second there.) The sections look really nice on first, hurried passes. Looking at the sigils (one of my favorite things, always), I find that Alaemon's is seriously cool, Fleurity's is beautifully iconic but obscure (it put me more in mind of a thistle than cannibis), Mammon's doesn't appeal (it's a little too "created in computer" for my taste), Valefor's is appropriate but makes me look around for Burt Ward, and Vapula's is very stark and appealing, but takes some thought (is he climbing above through technology or is he about to be ground into pate in the gears -- who can tell?) It seems somewhat art-light, which means we were over word-budget . But the layout is still well broken up and pleasing to the eye. (Shorter quotes look beautiful.) The front-piece art is among the best, as always. Alaemon's has the feel of some of the best -- the iconic backgrounds and suggestive layout common to Khalid and others, for example. Fleurity's is a bit more workmanish, but is certainly appropriate. Mammon's is good but leaves me a bit cool. Valefor and Vapula's are the two best -- Valefor's looking for all the world like a publicity shot in his trophy room, and Vapula's perhaps being my favorite depiction of the Good Doctor. I haven't been able to do a close read yet, but it seems to be nicely tightened textually, so I expect the editing was good. Otherwise, it seems a lot like it did in Playtest, and that's fun. And now... the dance of publication! Whoo hoo! - -- I have a broken hand, so spelling errors, capitalization errors, and extremely slow response times should be treated as precious things, not errors, because I'm not about to correct them. Neener. Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:09:44 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> IN Koan (OK, not really, but it is a puzzler) "Jason F. McBrayer" wrote: > Actually, It's canon that she isn't (green) and doesn't (have horns): > CPG p.92. Though I've never been a big fan of the `Lilith is still > human' model, either. wrt to that bit, I wrote what they told me. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:11:52 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> A suggestion for yet another massive, blissfully unprofitable, fan endeavour At 2:55 PM -0600 9/21/00, Tim Groth wrote: > >I mean, we've got Esperanto, and Quenya, and for God's >>sake Klingon, so how could this be any less bizarre? > >Well all of those are corporeal tongues. The celestial tongues I'd imagine >are some bizare musical scale that has no representation in corporeal sound >(as you can't speak it on earth). Which would make it pretty bizare. > >So unless anyone on this list is Symphonically aware I don't think that it >would do anyone any good. So, kind of like the sound of Kosh's voice on B5, before the Voder kicks in? - -- I have a broken hand, so spelling errors, capitalization errors, and extremely slow response times should be treated as precious things, not errors, because I'm not about to correct them. Neener. Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:15:30 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> IN Koan (OK, not really, but it is a puzzler) At 11:40 AM -0400 9/22/00, Jason F. McBrayer wrote: > >Actually, It's canon that she isn't (green) and doesn't (have horns): >CPG p.92. Though I've never been a big fan of the `Lilith is still >human' model, either. I guess I have no problem with it. A fifteen Force human crafted by Eli's hand and given life by God should be wonky. - -- I have a broken hand, so spelling errors, capitalization errors, and extremely slow response times should be treated as precious things, not errors, because I'm not about to correct them. Neener. Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:14:00 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> IN Koan (OK, not really, but it is a puzzler) At 8:09 AM +0000 9/22/00, Jo Hart wrote: >There are no human superiors so it doesn't matter. (I don't buy that >Lilith is human now, although she was once. Humans aren't green, >don't have horns, can't lay geases, etc. etc.) It's been explicitly stated that Lilith is neither green nor has horns. Geases I can't help you with. - -- I have a broken hand, so spelling errors, capitalization errors, and extremely slow response times should be treated as precious things, not errors, because I'm not about to correct them. Neener. Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:22:26 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> IN Koan (OK, not really, but it is a puzzler) >If humans aren't subject to dissonance, wouldn't that >mean that a human Superior wouldn't be at risk from it >as well? > >This puzzler came to me as I was reviewing my web page >(a lot of the stuff there is just begging for a >thorough editing, not to mention backlinks), and I'm >blessed if I can think of an answer*. :) > >Moe > >*A hypothetical Ethereal Superior would have the same >loophole, of course, but then again they're completely >noncanonical, not to mention extremely rare even in >noncanon (I've only seen two, ever, and one of them's >mine). :) I don't think Superiors are subject to Dissonance anyway. Even if they were, they can strip dissonance from others, so unless they themselves are a blind spot, why not do it for themself? Not even Khalid in his exile, or Gabriel in her madness, was ever considered dissonant anywhere I've read in S3. Dominic doesn't want to try Eli for being Dissonant or Discordant, he wants to try Eli for being AWOL. Even the idea of Discord is iffy, although Lilith certainly can Geas herself "to make a point," as the book says, and Geas is a special kind of Discord. Gabriel's madness could probably be considered Discord. However, on Dissonance I'd say no. Instead, it decreases the strength of one's Word as one acts against that Word, and maybe nets the Superior some kind of Discord, until if an angel they become Outcast or Fall. A still-human Superior could probably gain Discord for working against the nature of their Word, although the concepts of being Outcast or Falling probably wouldn't mean anything to them except exile and Word-stripping. Archangels, though, work without a net... they don't know they're straying, until they're Outcast or Falling. At most they know there's something wrong with their Word as it decreases in strength and/or they lose touch with it. >===== >In Nomine stuff: >http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html >Everything else (not that there is, right now): >http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html >Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:07:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Erin Collins Subject: Re: IN> It's official. I have IN permanently hardwired into my brain. - --- MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: > > Larry as commander of the Host. There's an image. > > Remember Larryboy! Uh....no. What on Earth have you people been talking about? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:41:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> It would be funny if it wasn't so scary - --- David Edelstein wrote: > Michael Walton wrote: > > 1) Anyone who's not a believer would certainly become one when the > > angel walked up and said, "You're working for me, now." > > Not necessarily. See Nicole's Soldier in IN. Oh, he believed... he just didn't want to. Never underestimate the power of denial. > > 2) A person who would make a conscious choice to serve Heaven would > > probably be at least nominally religious to start with. Athiests > are > > more likely to become Gray Soldiers. > > > First of all, someone can believe in a "higher power" of some form > without being religious. (Hence the polls, trumpeted by folks like > Pat > Robertson, indicating that over 90% of Americans believe in God, > while > he ignores the fact that for a substantial portion of people, that > belief is very vague and not based on any particular theological > beliefs, just a general sense that "There must be _something_...".) > > Secondly, there are a number of scenarios in which a human might find > out about the War and choose to ally with the Host, without > necessarily > believing in the whole "Heaven/God/Angels" paradigm. Good point. I suppose that brings us to the difference between "religion" and "faith." ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "God, protect me from my friends - -- my enemies I can handle." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:43:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Semi-delirious thought - --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Also Japan and China, no? But the topic was pre-Adamite humans. > I doubt that many of them are being revered individually as > ancestors -- not because they aren't ancestors but because we > don't know any individuals among them. If they are being > revered, it's under their divine identities. Point to you, Earl. o:> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "God, protect me from my friends - -- my enemies I can handle." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:50:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Word Bounds - their Superiors and their Chiors - --- Daniel Gallagher wrote: > Ok, I have a few Ideas for some really minor wordbound celestials, > but I > can't come up with some of the Chiors and Superiors. Sugestions would > be > apreciated. > > Demon of Saying The Wrong Thing In Spanish - I'm no help on this one. > Angel Of Bouncers - Zadkiel or Dominic - Chreub - definitely Zaddy on this one. > Demon of Instagation - Malaphas - A Shedite could do some real damage here, as could a Balseraph. But I wouldn't call this a minor Word, and neither, I suspect, would anyone who follows international politics. > Demon of The Holy Inquasition - Hehhehheh... Haballah of the Game > Demon of Barfights - Calabite of Factions (or Gluttony) > Angel of Cafanated Bevrages - Ofanite of Flowers -- Novalis covers foodstuffs, I believe. > Demon of People With Really Big Hats or Afros Who Always Seem To Sit > Right In Front Of You At The Theater -- Haballah (anyone who's strong enough to be polite in the face of such provocation... obviously needs to be tested further) of the Media Hope this helps. > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "God, protect me from my friends - -- my enemies I can handle." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:53:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> A suggestion for yet another massive, blissfully unprofitable, fan endeavour - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Which reminds me of ANOTHER thought (I'm making up for > lost time, here): anyone give any thought to mocking > up a semi-semi-official dictionary* of common Angelic > and Helltongue words? > > I mean, we've got Esperanto, and Quenya, and for God's > sake Klingon, so how could this be any less bizarre? The only problem is that the Celestial language is literally unspeakable by mere mortals... at least until we go to our final rewards. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "God, protect me from my friends - -- my enemies I can handle." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! 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