From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Sep 27 10:11:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA01970 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:11:39 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id KAA06044 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:09:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:09:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200009271509.KAA06044@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1832 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, September 27 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1832 In this digest: Re: IN> It's official. I have IN permanently hardwired into my brain. Re: IN> It's official. I have IN permanently hardwired intomy brain. Re: IN> Some PAges of Interest Re: IN> Lilith as Human IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1831 Re: IN> Some PAges of Interest IN> More On Disturbance Re: IN> More On Disturbance ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:02:30 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> It's official. I have IN permanently hardwired into my brain. - --On Tuesday, September 26, 2000 9:57 AM -0500 Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Marc Bowden wrote: > >> Larry as commander of the Host. There's an image. > > Yes, though in "Josh and the Big Wall," we see Archibald Asparsgus > playing the role of Michael. > I was trying not to go to the dark place. =) Tried, but couldn't find a photo of him. Rats. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:57:07 -0500 From: "Cthulhu" Subject: Re: IN> It's official. I have IN permanently hardwired intomy brain. Back when I was a young lad in school (about two years ago), we had a visit from a local woman on the church. Now this was a catholic school, and most of the religious talks we had were from an exceptionally sane bunch of priests, who addressed various issues in a reasonable and sensible manner, and were enough to quell any antagonisms I had with the chuch, if not actually convert me. Then the one looper lay teacher ("If you don't believe in God, you're stupid.") invites this lady in, and we all dutifully troop to the chapel for her talk. It started with a prayer that Michael and all his host of angels might come down to protect us from the Forces of Satan and cover us in the blood of Jesus "so that all that is not of Jesus may burn", and all I could think was "If the Archangel of War turns up looking for blood with some servitors of Gabriel, I'm running..." :-)= The Sleepy Guy _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:17:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Some PAges of Interest > > Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:02:40 +1000 > From: "Azrael" > Subject: IN> Some PAges of Interest > > For names and there meanings coming out of your > ears: > > http://www.angelicartistry.com/names.htm > > For Names of Word Bound > > http://www.angelicartistry.com/patron.htm > > Azrael Useful, for cribbing names at the very least*. Many thanks. :) Moe *Am I the only person out there who doesn't see much point to a translation dictionary that doesn't have any phonetics in the Roman alphabet, as well as in Hebrew? How in God's name do they expect us to take a stab at saying these words out loud, for heaven's sake? And don't even suggest tourist guides. Sure, they may tell you what "mechanic" or "flan" means, but just try looking up "abomination" or "smite" or "prophecy". And let's not even get into calling up a local consulate and asking, either. The last time I tried, I swear I think they were trying to trace the call... ;) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:23:56 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> Lilith as Human At 7:18 AM -0500 09/26/00, Cthulhu wrote: [...Lilith as Grigori...] > I'm not really sure about prototype, all the [Choirs] (save the Malakim, I > think) were created long before the experiment. Malakim were created during the Fall, and Grigori were created after the fact to protect the corporeal realm against Infernal invasion. Then they became a little too close to their talking-monkey friends, and we know what happens next. > But she could have been an _actual_ Grigori, set to the task by god. In > which we now know what happens to Grigori who fall.... Nah, too easy an answer. Really, I think she's similar too, but not quite like the Grigori. A being powerful enough (yea, likened to a Saint), who _can_ visit the Celestial Realm without having to die first. But then, God/Yves is an ineffible bastard. Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = tafkaj@thrifty.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:11:29 -0800 From: James Walker Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1831 >Subject: Disturbance >(And since this started in a fuzzygrayarea, I'm sitting back and listening >to what everyone else thinks before I make up my own mind. Muwhahahah!) That sounds like an invite for my two cents. I've always worked on the principle that something does not cause disturbance if a human(or other animal) is responsible for the action in a mundane way. "Responsible" means the human thinking 'this wouldn't have happened if I'd..'. As an example, a celestial takes a drivers test and just passes. The celestial runs over a human. Would the driving examiner think either 'damn, I knew I shouldn't have passed him' or even 'I can't keep every idiot off the roads, only the worst'. If so, no disturbance, as a human is (in)directly responsible. If the examiner couldn't believe it 'but he did so well when I tested him!' - then disturbance. This gets more complicated when Soldiers are involved. Yes, a Soldier might ask his celestial employer to help thump someone, but would he have asked the question if he was a mundane who thought he was talking to another human? I can't usually judge that, so that's when I expect people to roll vs Role. I WILL allow an increase in a Role for the actions of a Soldier, however; supernaturally enhanced or not, they're still human, and still can justify a celestial's (or ethereal's) actions. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 10:35:39 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Some PAges of Interest - --On Tuesday, September 26, 2000 19:17 -0700 Maurice Lane wrote: > And don't even suggest tourist guides. Sure, they may > tell you what "mechanic" or "flan" means, but just try > looking up "abomination" or "smite" or "prophecy". If you *do* find a tourist guide that defines these words, don't go there. I'm serious. Just don't. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:47:48 +1000 From: "Azrael" Subject: IN> More On Disturbance When does "damage" to mundane objects cause disturbance? The example that I will be using is that of sand and glass. A celestial would cause disturbance when breaking glass. But would a celestial cause disturbance setting of an explosive that melted sand together? I say no, it it is in the middle of the desert, but yes if the sand has been placed by a living thing (i.e. a sandpit for example). Would a celestial cause disturbance by just melting sand into glass for the heck of it? I say yes. What about melting sand so as to make a glass anything (window, bottle etc) I say no, as it is an act of creation, not destruction (would it count as damage?) (of course I have no canon precedent, and its late in Australia. Azrael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:07:47 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> More On Disturbance - --On Thursday, September 28, 2000 01:47 +1000 Azrael wrote: > Would a celestial cause disturbance by just melting sand into glass > for the heck of it? I say yes. What about melting sand so as to > make a glass anything (window, bottle etc) I say no, as it is an act > of creation, not destruction (would it count as damage?) (of course I > have no canon precedent, and its late in Australia. Creation and destruction are two sides of the same thing, for this purpose though - making a durable change in the corporeal that wouldn't have come to turn except for celestial interference. That's what I always thought generated disturbance, something that wasn't *supposed* to happen (or be able to happen) but did. Humans don't generate disturbance because their choices and actions are part of the game... Huh. That leads to a wierd thought about Lilith. Going to repress it now. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation (Ow. Brain hurts. Ow.) ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1832 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.