From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Sep 29 07:55:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA07798 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:55:41 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id HAA06215 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:53:27 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:53:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200009291253.HAA06215@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1834 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, September 29 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1834 In this digest: Re: IN> 100% Re: IN> No books with me, curse it... Re: IN> No books with me, curse it... Re: IN> 100% Re: IN> 100% Re: IN> 100% Re: IN> 100% Re: IN> No books with me, curse it... Re: IN> No books with me, curse it... Re: IN> Kyrios Re: IN> Lilith as Human RE: IN> No books with me, curse it... Re: IN> No books with me, curse it... RE: IN> No books with me, curse it... Re: IN> No books with me, curse it... IN> Songs allowing Time Travel (I see that got your attention) Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel (I see that got your attention) IN> Vessels IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1833 Re: IN> Divine Incursion Survival Tactics 101 Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel (I see that got your attention) Re: IN> Divine Incursion Survival Tactics 101 Re: IN> No books with me, curse it... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:02:18 -0400 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> 100% BillionSix@aol.com wrote: > > Trade Servitors get a point of Essence for making 100% profit on an > honorable transactions. This is fine for goods, but what about > services? What if a Trader's friend comes up and says, "Hey! I'll give > you $20 if you mow my lawn!" The Trader agrees, and mows the lawn in > under an hour. The Trader has certainly made a good profit on the > deal, having made $20 for an hour's easy work, but how much profit? Economically speaking, the value of the hour's time to the angel is whatever its hourly wage would be, so the economic profit would be the money it gets minus its usual wage. So, to trigger the 100% criterion, it would have to get paid twice its usual wage to get the Essence. If the angel has a Role as a homeless bum, who earns 50 cents an hour panhandling, then mowing the lawn counts, and it would get the Essence. If it has a Role as a 500-dollar an hour lawyer, then it wouldn't; it would have to somehow earn 1000 dollars per hour to get the Essence. If you want to get fun, you can also throw in human souls as of infinite worth. So if it can spend an hour gardening, and pontificate to the human who hired it so that they end up turning their life around, then it gets Essence even if it's a high-paid lawyer. But if it loses a soul while doing a job, no matter how high-paid, it gets nada. (And an angry call from Marc, for not paying attention to the fundamentals.) - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:38:32 -0500 From: "Cthulhu" Subject: Re: IN> No books with me, curse it... > My take on the matter is that Calabim require their Discord to focus their > entropic fields and break things. Extrapolation on the above, IMHO: The Infernal Players Guide seems to suggest that infernal Discord is a fracture in the demons personal symphony, through which the true Symphony can be seen. For a Calabite to break something, it has to find the notes in the true symphony and fracture _them_ (thus causing the disturbance), and the only way it can do this is to use it's Discord as a window to send it's destructive energies through. Removing the Discord from a Calabim will then remove it's resonance, and it's energies (and cloud of entropy) will be locked inside it. This will result in a resonance-less demon who will probably go really mad, really quick. Or it could aid in redemption, as the demon is now closer to an Offanim than ever before, but I wouldn't be too fond of this as an option. Exceptions are Calabim of Kronos, but Leath has come up with a pretty decent explanation for them, and those of Belial, who can somehow avoid the Disturbance. The Sleepy guy _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:45:32 +0100 From: "Laurent" Subject: Re: IN> No books with me, curse it... The Sleepy One wrote: > The Infernal Players Guide seems to suggest that infernal Discord > [...] Oh. I don't have the IPG, which explains my ignorance. I rest my case, though I won't use this rule myself (don't like it). Thanks for the info! Laurent. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:16:44 -0400 (EDT) From: ydobyns@princeton.edu Subject: Re: IN> 100% On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 BillionSix@aol.com wrote: > Okay. Another tricky question: > > Trade Servitors get a point of Essence for making 100% profit on an honorable > transactions. This is fine for goods, but what about services? What if a > Trader's friend comes up and says, "Hey! I'll give you $20 if you mow my > lawn!" The Trader agrees, and mows the lawn in under an hour. The Trader has > certainly made a good profit on the deal, having made $20 for an hour's easy > work, but how much profit? Depends on the angel's Role. A minimum-wage store-clerk's time is worth less than $6 per hour, so that angel is making better than 100% profit. A Wall Street financial consultant pulls down $150/hr or more and is seriously wasting his time. (And which of those Roles is more characteristic of a Servitor of Marc, hmm?) York Dobyns ydobyns@princeton.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:52:37 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> 100% > Depends on the angel's Role. A minimum-wage store-clerk's time is worth > less than $6 per hour, so that angel is making better than 100% profit. > A Wall Street financial consultant pulls down $150/hr or more and is > seriously wasting his time. (And which of those Roles is more > characteristic of a Servitor of Marc, hmm?) How much is the time of an angel of God worth? > York Dobyns ydobyns@princeton.edu Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:01:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> 100% Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:44:40 -0400 From: David Wood Subject: Re: IN> 100% >(Hey Morgan! Here's a freebie for you to write up: >The Angel of Value, Elohite of Marc, With Suitably >High Distinction That I Can't Name Now Because The >Book Is In The Damn Car. Some day, perhaps I should >write up the Angel of Secretaries, who I have in my >game helping to screen Marc's calls...) Heh. I was thinking of writing up an Angel of Temps (working for a job placement agency is guaranteed Essence for Servitors of Trade: the first time I ever temped, I ended up doing my own invoices ... and I was quite bemused to see that the temp agency was charging more than twice as much for my services as I was actually getting. Ah, innocence), locked in a polite rivalry with the Angel of Health Plans, but Value sounds kind of interesting, too. Maybe I'll make her a Marxist... no, wait, then she couldn't be an Elohite. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:17:07 -0400 (EDT) From: ydobyns@princeton.edu Subject: Re: IN> 100% On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, ben wrote: [...I wrote...] > > Depends on the angel's Role. A minimum-wage store-clerk's time is worth > > less than $6 per hour, so that angel is making better than 100% profit. > > A Wall Street financial consultant pulls down $150/hr or more and is > > seriously wasting his time. (And which of those Roles is more > > characteristic of a Servitor of Marc, hmm?) > > How much is the time of an angel of God worth? In money? You can be sure Marc has a schedule of going rates. In some sense, an angel's time is *valueless*. For a human, one hour of labor is an irreplaceable expenditure of a finite lifespan ... a definite fraction of the total amount that human can accomplish or experience. But angels are immortal -- no matter how much time they spend on something, it in no way reduces their potential for future accomplishment, because that potential is infinite. But in terms of utility, an angel's labor is worth not much more than a mortal's; the celestials of In Nomine, for all the supernatural hooplah, are not much more capable than mortals in the long run. (Because most of the really impressive feats cost Essence, and Essence accrues so slowly.) The amount of useful change a celestial can accomplish, again excepting very limited instances, is comparable to what a human can do -- not more than a factor of 2 or 3 difference, in most cases. York Dobyns ydobyns@princeton.edu ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 2000 18:08:13 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> No books with me, curse it... On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:22:49 -0700 Kish wrote: >From: -=|horsefly|=- > > >On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Michael Walton > wrote: >> Calabim don't necessarily need Discord to use their Resonance... >one >>of the DP's (I forget which, I have no books with me right now) >>actually has this as his Band Attunement. ><> >Kronos, iirc. Give me a minute...Yes, Kronos. (Which isn't that much >of a benefit, since the online FAQ indicates that normal Calabim get >character points for their Discord.) odd reversal, that: i had thought everyone starting with Discord *except* for Calabim gain character points for it, the rationale being that Calabim ordinarily can't avoid nor get rid of their personal flaw, and that this is endemic to being a Calabite. oh well, whatever. -=|horsefly|=- "It was a different time: a time of blood and guns and killings.... It was a time when killers needed saints, for so much of God's good work was being done." --SAINT OF KILLERS #4, Garth Ennis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:44:25 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> No books with me, curse it... At 10:22 PM -0700 9/27/00, Kish wrote: >From: -=|horsefly|=- > >>i don't see why it wouldn't have been Vapula's so he could have some >>Destroyers of his own>> > >You know a lot more about In Nomine than me, of course, but what >appears to me from the main book is that he doesn't hate the Calabim >because they have Discord, but because their Resonance is naturally >destructive, and they turn it on everything around them (which >includes his technology) when it fails, so as to avoid Dissonance. Bezides, Calabim take things apart mundanely too. see desc in main book. (Why am I not coherent? I am sick and have a wiggly unhappy baby in my lap. Go fig.) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:42:31 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Kyrios At 1:41 PM +1000 9/28/00, Azrael wrote: >Can a Kyrio of Stone/War have multiple vessels (they would have to invest >forces of course), and can they manifest in multiple vessels? Yes, and sure. Remember, especially with the War one, that he will lose the ability to possess anything else with those invested Forces (and even the Stone one will have to pay for those vessels). - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:25:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Lilith as Human > I think Lilith is more Lucifer's toy/servant than protege. Remember > Lucifer hates humans, a lot. [snip] > Although lots of questions aren't answered by Lilith in canon I tend > to dislike all answers put forth that involve her being super nifty > keen, ultra friendly and able to swing the War radically. I prefer > to think of her as Lucifer's trophy wife, and his private proof that > humans are a failure. Ouch, that's way harsh... and right up Lucifer's alley. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "God, protect me from my friends - -- my enemies I can handle." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:29:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: RE: IN> No books with me, curse it... > Kronos. His Calabim start with no Discord. My take on the matter is > that Calabim require their Discord to focus their entropic fields and > break things. However, Kronos is able to bypass this by allowing his > Calabim to focus entropy through his connection with time. An elegant explanation. Which suggests that a Calabite without Discord can retain its Resonance if its DP can find a way to plug that whole through his connection to his Word. Shouldn't be hard for Baal, Belial or Haagenti -- but Andrealphus may have a problem. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "God, protect me from my friends - -- my enemies I can handle." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:32:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> No books with me, curse it... > I think if Vapula ever did try out some Calabim, he's give them an > attunement > similar to what Andrealphus gives his Habbalah, and let them choke > back their > resonance without Discord. Naaah... canon doesn't like Superiors (except those with opposing Words) duplicating each other's Attunements. Vappie is more likely to grant his theoretical Calabim the ability to control their entropic auras, thereby only breaking things when they want to. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "God, protect me from my friends - -- my enemies I can handle." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:53:41 +1000 From: "Leath Sheales" Subject: RE: IN> No books with me, curse it... Michael wrote; > An elegant explanation. Which suggests that a Calabite without > Discord can retain its Resonance if its DP can find a way to plug that > whole through his connection to his Word. Shouldn't be hard for Baal, > Belial or Haagenti -- but Andrealphus may have a problem. Sure, they possibly could plug the hole, but what reason would they have? Belial is a Calabite, and I'm guessing that he doesn't see his Discord as a handicap, so why should his servants care? Haagenti likewise. Baal might see some tactical reasons for looking into it, except for a few reasons (IMO): 1) He's a Demon Prince. Why the hell would he be nice to his servitors and make their lives easier? 2) His Word is "the War". The War between Heaven and Hell. Lucifer rebelled and God cast them out, therefore defining 'the War'. Part of this definition was that Calabim have Discord. Is it actually within the power of Baal's Word to bypass the Discord? 3) Everyone knows Calabim have Discord, except for those belonging to that upstart Kronos. If Baal changed his Calabim to bypass the Discord, Kronos may take personal offence at it. Ad does the DP of the War really want to become a personal enemy of the DP of Fate? Especially when everyone knows who is more powerful and (probably) which one Lucifer favours. Leath ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:53:17 -0600 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> No books with me, curse it... > Naaah... canon doesn't like Superiors (except those with opposing >Words) duplicating each other's Attunements. Vappie is more likely to >grant his theoretical Calabim the ability to control their entropic >auras, thereby only breaking things when they want to. I bet he tried that and they went *pop*, making a real big mess. I'd imagine having one's resonance plugged up that way would be like permanent constipation. - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:41:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel (I see that got your attention) Well ... how to explain this one? Let's just say that this was the centerpiece of an article that never quite jelled. Thought I'd toss it into the ring and see whether the commentary sparks my creativity. Enjoy, or not. :) Something like this is probably in the INC already, but if not, feel free. Morgan (FAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Causality, Smausality, as long as I'm Raking in the Gambling Winnings. Songs of Time The fact that there is even a complete set of Songs that manipulate time is one of the best-kept secrets of the War. The Ethereal Song is freely available, and the Corporeal isn't precisely a secret, but very few people know that the two are related ... and even the knowledge that a Celestial Song of Time exists is highly classified. Either Yves or Kronos discovered them, but determining precisely when or how is effectively impossible. Celestial languages are no more suited for discussing time travel than corporeal ones. Corporeal (Song of Stasis) - This Song permits the caster to temporarily isolate someone or something (up to 200 lbs.) on the corporeal plane from the flow of Time. For the Song's duration, the target effectively disappears from the universe: nothing (not even a Superior) will be able to affect him, her or it while the target is in stasis. Cherubim and Djinn will have their attunements break as if the target was destroyed (but not suffer dissonance), Lilim will not be able to call in a Geas, attempts to trace a celestial via his Heart will fail, etc. A Shedite or Kyriotate possessing someone in stasis must make a Will Roll to break free in time. On the plus side, no time will pass for the target, so time-intensive dissonance restrictions will not take effect. The target will also not need food, air, water or anything else while in stasis. Targets may resist with a Will Roll at -4. Once the stasis is over, the target will appear in the exact same spot on earth from where he disappeared: if this would entail materializing in a solid object, then the target will appear at the nearest open space, stunned for 1d6 turns. Duration depends on how much Essence is spent: 2 Essence - check digit x hours 4 Essence - check digit x days 8 Essence - check digit x months 16 Essence - check digit x years 32 Essence - check digit x centuries ... and so on. Double cost for each additional 200 lbs. or fraction thereof. The base roll is at -3 for each doubling of Essence. Ethereal (Song of Danger) - This Song provides the caster with advance knowledge of threats. Duration is equal to the check digit, in hours. This warning will usually manifest as a feeling of unease, beginning a few minutes before the threat manifests and steadily rising as the moment of crisis comes nearer. Specific details about the threat are not provided. Use of this Song in combat will provide the caster with a bonus to Dodge and attacks equal to half the check digit, rounded up. Celestial - This Song permits the user to travel to the past (no one has ever successfully returned from a visit to the future). For some reason, the farthest anyone can travel back is exactly 1000 years ... and that's 1000 thousand years from the user's ultimate temporal origin. Use the table above to determine Essence cost; the base roll is only -1 for each doubling of Essence. Also note that use of this Song is strictly one-way: getting back to the present has to be done the old-fashioned way. This is less of an issue for celestials, of course, seeing as they're immortal. Usually, a successful use of this Song will land the target in the same location, within 1 minute/hour/etc. of their desired time, either way. Taking a -2 to the roll will allow the user to get closer. For example, if a Servitor of Destiny is trying to go back to 1987 CE, he can expect to arrive anytime from 1986 to 1988. If he takes a -2 to his roll, he can define a month in 1987 to aim for, and arrive up to a month before or after that date. The precise time of arrival is up to the GM. Bonus: Destiny, Fate Available: Most Older Superiors (Corporeal), All (Ethereal), Yves/Kronos (Celestial) Disturbance: none for all three Songs, although actions resulting from time travel can cause disturbance normally. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:41:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel (I see that got your attention) On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Maurice Lane wrote: > Let's just say that this was the centerpiece of an > article that never quite jelled. Thought I'd toss it > into the ring and see whether the commentary sparks my > creativity. Enjoy, or not. :) These are VERY well done. Obviously these would need a flaming feather the size of a Volvo next to them if they were in the LC, but they're actually well balanced for Secret Songs. My only complaint is that the Ethereal version is too much like the same song of Nemesis (?)... the other song that gives you danger sense. I would make it more like the ability to look into the past, like postcognition. Also, I wouldn't have the Ethereal version be commonly available at all! That makes it MUCH more likely that someone could research the related songs. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "I feel like we could write a song with the title 'I Wanna Fuck You' and people would still say, 'I don't understand...explain to me what that song means.'" -- John Flansburgh (They Might Be Giants) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 16:08:14 +1000 From: "Azrael" Subject: IN> Vessels If a small vessel, gets protection and leverage penalties, does a "gianormous" vessel get bonii (sorry, force of habit there: bonus')? Azrael They laugh at me because I'm different...I laugh at them because they're all the same. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:52:03 -0700 From: James Walker Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1833 >From: Maurice Lane >Subject: IN> No books with me, curse it... > >Hey, here's a fun question for all you sports fans: >what happens to a Calabite if he has all of his >Discords stripped from him? Loss of resonance, messy >explosion, what? The boring answer is that it can't be removed. If you can justify a more amusing answer, consider this: Soldier nicks Discord from Calabim using Song of Sacrifice - does Soldier have Calabim's resonance? I'd say yes, as the only way that I can see Lilith developing the Lilim resonance is a modified Ethereal Song of Sacrifice while under the effects of the Divine Mediation attunement. (?May have wrong name, the one that settles a dispute and Geases the disputatants. ) I stared into the Abyss, and the Abyss blinked first......... (with apologies to Nietzche) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:13:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "O. S. Kerr" Subject: Re: IN> Divine Incursion Survival Tactics 101 > Naah. Malakim are like T. Rexes: it's movement that > sets them off. Just sit very very quietly until the > first wave of bloodshed is over, then join the bunch > of Soldiers hauling away the bodies. If anybody > challenges you, just point to Mike and wink: with any > luck, they'll just figure that you're a deep-cover > agent or something, and you shouldn't have too much > trouble getting to the door. THEN you run like Hell. Not bad, except the next Malakim that resonates you sees "Lied to an Angel about being a Servant of an Archangel." That's a "10" on the BadNewsOmeter. O. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:51:56 +0100 From: "Laurent" Subject: Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel (I see that got your attention) As always, it's good. Real good. But as Rev. Pee Kitty said, the Ethereal version looks a bit like the Song of Nemesis. There's this thing DEATH does all the time in MORT, the Discworld novel. It freezes the scenary, and only the user and a few designated people are experiencing a time flow. It's a classic, used so many times on TV and stuff... I think it would be quite suitable for an Ethereal Song of Time. Not sure it would be commonly available, though. Can't remember if there's already a Song that does that... Laurent. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:15:23 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Divine Incursion Survival Tactics 101 - --On Friday, September 29, 2000 12:13 AM -0700 "O. S. Kerr" wrote: >> Naah. Malakim are like T. Rexes: it's movement that >> sets them off. Just sit very very quietly until the >> first wave of bloodshed is over, then join the bunch >> of Soldiers hauling away the bodies. If anybody >> challenges you, just point to Mike and wink: with any >> luck, they'll just figure that you're a deep-cover >> agent or something, and you shouldn't have too much >> trouble getting to the door. THEN you run like Hell. > > Not bad, except the next Malakim that resonates you sees > "Lied to an Angel about being a Servant of an Archangel." > That's a "10" on the BadNewsOmeter. > After which there may be a slight ringing in your ears. Fortunately, you'll be nowhere near them. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 07:54:13 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> No books with me, curse it... At 08:58 PM 9/27/00, you wrote: >I like the way Beleth lets her Shedim ignore her dissonance condition. And >since it's not really attached to resonance, any of Beleth's other Servitors >can avoid Superior dissonance for the low, low cost of 5 resourse point! I >love it. More proof that life ain't fair. :) In fact, unfairness is one of >the things I like about In Nomine. Well, actually, they'd need a pretty good reason for Beleth to grant this Attunement. While it's not resonance-based, it /is/ based upon their celestial form: they're allowed to go celestial on the corporeal plane because any human seeing their celestial form goes insane, an advantage that I believe not many other Bands have. I imagine that the dialogue would run as follows: Demon: Ah, Grand Lady Princess Beleth, I hereby - ah - petition for the privilege of using your Shedite attunement... Beleth: Why? Demon: Because, ah, it would be, ah, useful for me to, ah, assume my native body in the world of the humans... Beleth: I see. This is for your own good, Azzie. * Beleth tosses the demon out over the walls of the Tower and into the Marches, where he's promptly leapt upon by some Ethereal God and used as a snack. * Beleth: ...weakling. - -EDG Princes have dissonance conditions for a /reason/... ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1834 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. 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